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"Ezra's Eagle Prophecy" EXPLAINED: Is It About Trump, Harris, & America?

There’s a prophecy in the ancient apocryphal book of 2 Esdras that some believe is about the United States. The “Ezra’s Eagle prophecy” details a 3-headed eagle whose feathers were believed to represent a succession of Roman leaders. But “A Remnant Shall Return” author Michael Rush believes the feathers might be leaders of a powerful End Times country — specifically, America. Rush joins Glenn to lay out his interpretation of the Ezra’s Eagle prophecy, including why he believes it details the history of U.S. presidents since Herbert Hoover. But do the feathers on the Eagle’s shorter left wing represent Trump, Biden, and Kamala Harris? Was the Deep State prophesied about over 2,000 years ago? And is it even a true prophecy? Glenn and Michael break down why we may soon know for sure …

Transcript

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GLENN: All right. I want to introduce to you Michael Rush.

He is an author. A Remnant Shall Return is the book that we're going to be discussing today.

And it's all about a prophecy of Ezra's eagle. And I think, Michael, you're one of the first to say, I don't know. This could all be wrong.

We won't know until, you know, it's -- it's proven right or wrong, correct?

MICHAEL: Yeah. Absolutely. In fact, I would be the first to say, that I absolutely hope that this is not true.

GLENN: Me too.

But it is -- it is pretty fascinating.

First, would you explain what the Apocrypha is, for people who don't know?

Yeah. Absolutely. So the Apocrypha is the list of 14 books.

And prior to the turn of -- just prior to the turn of the 20th century. The Church of England yanked it from all King James Bibles. But prior to that point. It was included as a supplement between the old and New Testament. From 1611, to just before the -- the 20th century. So when the Pilgrims came over, on the Mayflower. I mean, this was included in their Bible.

So it's something that, you know -- you know, a couple hundred years ago, people were much more familiar with, than they are today.

Today, you, you know, most people don't know much about it at all. The Apocrypha. Go ahead, Glenn.

GLENN: Go ahead. No, no, no. Please.

MICHAEL: Yeah. So one of the reasons why Apocrypha was called out by the Church of England, was because it has errors in it. I mean, there are historical inaccuracies and things.

So, I mean, that's one word of caution.

That should always accompany any time you're reading an Apocrypha book. It's not included in the canonite Scripture for a reason.

GLENN: Okay.

And the book of Ezra is the first book of the Apocrypha. The first and second book.

And it is a cousin or a brother of Daniel. Is that -- is that the connection?

MICHAEL: Well, so. If you look at Ezra, and Daniel, these are both people that were taken captive into Babylon. When Babylon came in and conquered Jerusalem. So they're brothers in that sense. I don't know that they're related.

But, you know, they're -- they're brothers in that Babylonian sense.

GLENN: Okay. Okay.

So there's a couple of reasons why I think people are attracted to, you know, end times prophecy.

One, because we're commanded to. To be aware of the signs of the times.

So you know what's approaching. But also, I think some people just like to dabble in this.

Because they're looking for a sign that God is aware of the situation.

And it's explainable on what's going on. Because the world makes no sense. So they're looking for a connection, to God.

So you are the only one. This -- Ezra's Eagle was known to be, or thought to be, Rome for a long time?

Is that right?

MICHAEL: Yes. That was the common belief. In fact, they attribute this to first century AD. Largely because. Because he's talking about Rome.

GLENN: Right.

But it doesn't really work for Rome. And the -- the only real question I have, on this. Is how you came up with -- well, explain what the eagle is, and what the feathers are, first.

And then we'll talk about how you assigned a date to that.

MICHAEL: Okay. So the vision starts with Ezra seeing this large eagle coming up out of the ocean. And the eagle isn't normal. It has three heads. And two massive wings. And on the right wing, it has 14 feathers. But 12 of these feathers are long. And two of them are short.

And then on the left side, there's just six little feathers. And fortunately, Ezra has this angelic guide that's with him.

And he kind of points things out to Ezra. And explains the meaning. And one of the things, that the angelic guide explains to Ezra, is that this eagle represents a powerful kingdom, that will have global domination, in the end times.

And he -- he goes on to explain, that the feathers are on the respective wings represent the leaders of this country.

And, you know, so there's -- there's 20 consecutive leaders, and they serve one after another.

So right out of the gate, you know, this is -- this is something of a time line. Have it's a countdown, beginning with the first feather, and going to a big prophetic event, that allegedly will take place in the last days.

GLENN: So it is -- it's fascinating to me, because what caught my attention, was the pegging of those feathers to US presidents, is stunning.

However, you have to take a leap of faith. Because it doesn't go all the way to back to George Washington.

I think you're the only one that has pinned. Were you the first to come up with this? To pin it to Hoover?

Yes.

MICHAEL: Yes.

GLENN: Yeah. So --

MICHAEL: Yeah. Go ahead.

GLENN: Okay. So you've -- you've pinned it to Hoover, as the first feather. And I want you to explain that. But I -- I want to make a disclosure here. This is a part where Michael and I share, and our faith.

Our faith teaches us that in the end days, there will be a secret combination. It will be, you know, basically the Deep State.

And that kind of sets the clock ticking.

And the Book of Mormon, is just history. But a -- really, an outline of what things are going to look like, as we approach the latter days.

And it's shockingly accurate, to what is happening today. And that is how you came. This is the only more mon part of it. If I'm not mistaken.

You pinning this to Hoover.

How did you get there?

MICHAEL: So really. It's pinned to Hoover because of the incredibly specific language regarding the second feather in this series. So the verbiage of the prophecies says, you know, paraphrasing, says that the second leader will serve twice as long as any other, leader of this country.

And that's before the end of his official administration.

None other would be able to serve unto the half of the time that he served

So, I mean, that's incredibly specific language. So it's really this that caused us to hone in on Hoover.

Because there's only one presence in the United States, that this could possibly be talking about.

And it's Franklin D Roosevelt. Who was elected four terms in office. He died of natural causes, in his first. Or in his fourth term.

But Congress passed the 20 Second Amendment. To the Constitution.

Before his official court term concluded, barring all future.from serving more than two years.

So, I mean, this is just what locked it in for me. Because this is incredibly specific.

GLENN: Right. Yeah. You know, when you started with FDR, and then you go through the feathers which we will in a second. It is incredibly specific. And nails our presidency, the secession of presidents, exactly.

But also, if I may, it was the council of foreign relations, that really. During the Hoover times.

That it really took a hold.

And that kind of plays a role, later. In the prophecy. When you switch to the other wing. If you will.

So explain the feathers, and how they are marked for each president.

And what lines up.

MICHAEL: Yeah. So, you know, that -- that -- it starts with Herbert Hoover.

And, you know, as you mentioned, if you Google, you know, founding members of the foreign relation. The Council on Foreign Relations.

Herbert Hoover comes up. So that's, you know, very interesting, in the context of this.

And you talked about secret combination. If you read in the Book of Revelation, in chapter 17, John sees this amazing vision of the horror of Babylon.

And I -- I think that this is what is the underlining context. Of what's going on, in this vision.

It's not so much a vision about these presidents, as it is the rise and infiltration of this country by this whore of Babylon. And that's why, it starts with Herbert Hoover in my opinion.

So then it goes through. There's, as I said, there's 14 feathers on the right side.

And, you know, this -- these 14 feathers seem to be counting down.

And the specific, you know, language of the prophecy, gives some other very curious information with regards to two short feathers, that would be amongst these 14. And the specific language is that by the time you see the second of these two feathers, you'll be approaching the midpoint of this time line.

So when you look at, you know, starting with Herbert Hoover.

GLENN: Herbert Hoover. It's hard.

MICHAEL: Yeah. Herbert Hoover. I go to the 14th president, Barack Obama.

So when you look in there, for two presidents, who have -- were short feathers.

Meaning, in the verbiage of the prophecy. A short feather is someone who has had their administration cut short by contrary or nefarious, means.

And I attribute that to the -- you know, involvement of this whore of Babylon terminating their presidency, prematurely.

So you look at this list. And you go. You know, it jumps right out at you.

That you've got JFK. Who was assassinated.

Ask then you have Richard Nixon, who was force Todd resign.

Now, as you go through this time line, Richard Nixon is 45 years into it.

And the prophecy again says. When you see the second of these -- you'll be halfway through this time line.

And then you look at Barack Obama. Well, that was about 43 years later.

So that, again, just matches up, perfectly, with, you know, what Ezra is talking about here.

So not only do you have the -- you know, the FDR, and these two short -- you also have these two short feathers. And it's really hard for me to just kind of brush those things aside. And say, yeah.

This is -- this is really just talking about Rome or something else. Because it's so applicable to American history. Somewhere, yeah. And again, that doesn't mean that it's right. It just means that so far, it's nailed everything in the prophecy.

But the second part of the prophecy, when you get specifically to Donald Trump and now this administration, and then what happens from here, is stunning.

And, you know, five years ago, I would have said, well, that's going to be hard.

I could see all of this happening. I could also see it not happening.

But it's not a far stretch to think that these next few feathers, if you will. These next few events that Ezra talks about, in Apocrypha. It's -- it's plausible, and possible that it comes.

GLENN: We're talking to Michael Rush. He's an author of the book, A Remnant Shall Return. Which has been out for a long time, but has now started sweep, at least in my community, in Idaho, and people are talking about it. And they say the same thing.

Everybody says, I have no idea, if this is real. But it is fascinating, how it all lines up.

And I really appreciate Michael, your approach on this too.

That you're saying, I could be wrong.

I hope it's wrong. But it is interesting to look at.

So you get to Barack Obama. And then you start to get up to Donald Trump. And in these feathers, that are on this one wing of Ezra's eagle. It's showing all the presidents. And in the last one, on one side, would be Donald Trump.

Right?

MICHAEL: Correct. So with -- the first 14 feathers are on the right side of the eagle. And so now Donald Trump is the first feather on the left wing of an eagle.

GLENN: Okay.

MICHAEL: And the -- all of the -- the thing that all of the feathers on the left side of the eagle has is they're all short.

Meaning, if my interpretation of this is true, all of their administrations will be cut short by the machinations of this whore of Babylon.

GLENN: And Donald Trump, you could only say his -- he was cut short, if he was to serve two terms. And there was nefarious purposes. Right? Because he served his whole term.

MICHAEL: Well, so -- this is where you have to look at, what this means. To be cut short.

Does it mean, you only have one term?

Does it refer to the length of office?

And I don't think that's what defines a short feather. Because you have, you know, long feather presidents that serve one term or two terms. I think that the definition of what makes a feather short --

GLENN: Yeah. Okay.

MICHAEL: -- is whether the Deep State terminated their presidency.

So when you look at -- and we're talking about a prophecy that is at least 2,000 years old. So it is so eerie how it mirrors these things. So when you look at -- go ahead.

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GLENN: So 2,000 years ago, there was a prophecy. By Ezra. Ezra is mentioned in the -- no. He's not. No. Ezra is the first two books of the Apocrypha. And he talked about a great empire, that is going to be destroyed, near the end times. And he describes seeing this empire coming out of the ocean. Which is interesting. And it rises out. It has three heads. And it has a bunch of feathers on one side. And very few feathers on the other side. This lines up now, according to Michael Rush. And I have read this over and over again from a really old copy of the Apocrypha, and it does line up. And if you start with Hoover, it goes and nails FDR. It -- it says, there will be -- their time in office or in control will be cut short. And that one is JFK and Richard Nixon. And then Donald Trump, cut short as well.

Now, what happens after that, Michael?

MICHAEL: Yeah. So one other thing that I think is important to bring up about this vision. Is that Ezra heard the eagle speaking. But the voice, or the sound wasn't coming from its head. So it was coming from its bowels.

And the -- and his angelic guide goes, Ezra, did you notice that? Did you notice the voice that is coming from this country's bowels?

This signifies that this country will be in a period of great distress, and at the point of collapse. So that's -- that is a very interesting additional, you know, background to what we're going to talk about next.

GLENN: Okay.

MICHAEL: So we're now talking about the first short feather on the left side of this eagle, the left wing, which would be the presidency of Donald Trump.

Which according to this vision, his presidency would have been to have cut short. And I believe, by the intervention of the whore of Babylon, or the American Deep State. So you have the 2020 election. Which, you know, whatever you think happens there. One thing is for sure. That it was the most, you know, contested election in probably American history.

You had over 10 percent of states. And alternate delegates. To the electoral college.

That's never happened at that scope before.

And their explanation? You know, they said there's widespread fraud in those states.

So it's -- if you just -- you know, oh. He started four terms. That's it. This prophecy is fake.

Okay.

But if you look at it from that perspective, then you would have to say, okay.

Trump was a short feather because this election, there was something, you know, not right with it. And it was stolen.

GLENN: You could even not use the election. But you could talk about how he had been thwarted the entire time. By the Deep State.

And even COVID. That he didn't accomplish all of the things that he was set to accomplish. Because of the interference of the Deep State. So you could read it that way as well.

But I hate to make. You know, let's not water this down even more. You know, if it's -- if it's accurate, we'll see.

Because what happens next?

MICHAEL: So next. Again, we have some very specific language here. It says that the next short feather, which would have to be Joe Biden.

Says that his time in office. He's away, even faster than Trump was.

So when you're looking at current events.

You know, right now.

This is -- this is very timely.

Right.

There are many people who think that Joe Biden hasn't been calling the shots for a long phylum

GLENN: Right.

MICHAEL: So it's just very curious. But then the very next thing that it says, is that there will be two that -- short feathers, that think in their hearts, to be set up.

So they're just thinking about it.

In my mind, this means, they want to be the president, but they are not set up. So we're talking about. We could be talking about an election scenario here. And in that case, you would be talking about Kamala and Trump again.

And the specific verbiage is, that as they are so thinking in their hearts, the three heads of the eagle awake and devour them. And then they take control of the country from that point forward.

And --

GLENN: So does this have to happen before January 20th?

MICHAEL: Well, so January 20th would be when you would swear in the next president of the United States.

GLENN: President, right.

MICHAEL: So for Biden to be away sooner than Trump, then, yeah.

It -- if Biden, you know, completes this, then I -- I don't know how you could, you know, say on its face, that this prophecy was correct.

GLENN: Right.

MICHAEL: Again, this is -- this is from the Apocrypha.

GLENN: Right.

MICHAEL: But how it lines up, is astounding.

GLENN: Remarkable.

However, like you just said, we're going to know, one way or another, if -- if Joe Biden doesn't make it to the 20th. That's a point I guess in its favor. I hate to say, you know -- is a really bad thing.

Because then the next thing, and do they serve or not? So this would have to happen before a swearing in too. Where the Deep State would devour those two, right?

MICHAEL: Correct. So basically, what this prophecy is -- if it is real, what it's saying is that their -- you know, whoever wins the election, will not be set up as president. They will be devoured.

Something will happen. What that is, I don't know. If this is true, we'll know when it happens.

But it will put the three heads of this -- said another way. The leadership of this Deep State will now be calling the shots overtly.

GLENN: Deep State. Known to everyone.

MICHAEL: Known. Yeah. There are no more masks, they're not operating behind the scenes.

GLENN: Okay. So now if you thought that was a trip to fun land, wait until you hear what happens to the heads of the eagle.

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Confronting evil: Bill O'Reilly's insight on Charlie Kirk's enduring legacy

Bill O’Reilly joins Glenn Beck with a powerful prediction about Charlie Kirk’s legacy. Evil tried to destroy his movement, Bill says, but – as his new book, “Confronting Evil,” lays out – evil will just end up destroying itself once more…

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GLENN: Mr. Bill O'Reilly, welcome to the program, how are you, sir?

BILL: Good, Beck, thanks for having me back. I appreciate it. How have you been?

GLENN: Last week was really tough. I know it was tough for you and everybody else.

But, you know -- I haven't -- I haven't seen anything.

BILL: Family okay? All of that?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Family is okay. Family is okay.

BILL: Good question good. That's the most important thing.

GLENN: It is.

So, Bill, what do you make of this whole Charlie Kirk thing. What happened, and where are we headed?

BILL: So my analysis is different for everybody else, and those that know me for so long. About a year ago, I was looking for a topic -- it was a contract to do another book. And I said, you know what's happening in America, and around the world. Was a rise in evil. It takes a year to research and write these books.

And not since the 1930s, had I seen that happen, to this extent. And in the 1930s, of course, you would have Tojo and Hitler and Mussolini and Franco and all these guys. And it led to 100 million dead in World War II. The same thing, not to the extent.

But the same thing was --
GLENN: Yet.
BILL: -- bubbling in the world, and in the United States.

I decided to write a book. The book comes out last Tuesday. And on Wednesday, Putin lobs missiles into Poland.

Ultra dangerous.

And a few hours later, Charlie Kirk is assassinated.

And one of the interviewers said to me last week, your -- your book is haunting. Is haunting.

And I think that's extremely accurate. Because that's what evil does.

And in the United States, we have so many distractions. The social media.

People create around their own lives.

Sports. Whatever it may be. That we look away.

Now, Charlie Kirk was an interesting fellow. Because at a very young age, he was mature enough to understand that he wanted to take a stand in favor of traditional America and Judeo Christian philosophy.

He decided that he wanted to do that.

You know, and when I was 31 or whatever, I was lucky I wasn't in the penitentiary. And I believe you were in the penitentiary.
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So he was light years ahead of us.

GLENN: Yes, he was.

BILL: And he put it into motion. All right? Now, most good people, even if you disagree with what Mr. Kirk says on occasion, you admire that. That's the spirit of America. That you have a belief system, that you go out and try to promote that belief system, for the greater good of the country. That's what it is.

That's what Charlie Kirk did.

And he lost his life.

By doing it!

So when you essentially break all of this down. You take the emotion away, all right?

Which I have to do, in my job. You see it as another victory for evil.

But it really isn't.

And this is the ongoing story.

This is the most important story. So when you read my book, Confronting Evil, you'll see that all of these heinous individuals, Putin's on the cover. Mao. Hitler.

Ayatollah Khomeini. And then there are 14 others inside the book. They all destroy themselves.

Evil always destroys itself. But it takes so many people with it. So this shooter destroyed his own family.

And -- and Donald Trump, I talked to him about it last week in Yankee stadium. And Trump is a much different guy than most people think.

GLENN: He is.

JASON: He destroyed his own mother and father and his two brothers.

That's what he did. In addition to the Kirk family!

So evil spreads. Now, if Americans pay attention and come to the conclusion that I just stated, it will be much more difficult for evil to operate openly.

And that's what I think is going to happen.

There's going to be a ferocious backlash against the progressive left in particular.

To stop it, and I believe that is what Mr. Kirk's legacy is going to be.

GLENN: I -- I agree with you on all of these fronts.

I wonder though, you know, it took three, or if you count JFK, four assassinations in the '60s, to confront the evil if you will.

Before people really woke up and said, enough is enough!

And then you have the big Jesus revolution after that.

Is -- I hate to say this. But is -- as far gone as we are, is one assassination enough to wake people up?

JOHN: Some people. Some people will never wake up.

They just don't want to live in the real world, Beck. And it's never been easier to do that with the social media and the phones and the computers.

And you're never going to get them back.

But you don't need them. So let's just be very realistic here on the Glenn Beck show.

Let's run it down.

The corporate media is finished.

In America. It's over.

And you will see that play out the next five years.

Because the corporate media invested so much of its credibility into hating Donald Trump.

And the hate is the key word.

You will find this interesting, Beck. For the first time in ten years, I've been invited to do a major thing on CBS, today.

I will do it GE today. With major Garrett.

GLENN: Wow.

BILL: Now, that only happened because Skydance bought CBS. And Skydance understands the brand CBS is over, and they will have to rehabilitate the whole thing. NBC has not come to that conclusion yet, but it will have to.

And ABC just does the weather. I mean, that's all they care about. Is it snowing in Montana? Okay? The cables are all finished. Even Fox.

Once Trump leaves the stage, there's nowhere for FNC to go. Because they've invested so much in Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

So the fact of the matter is, the corporate media is over in America. That takes a huge cudgel out of the hands of the progressive movement.

Because the progressive movement was dependent on the corporate media to advance its cause. That's going to end, Beck.

GLENN: Well, I would hope that you're right.

Let me ask you about --

BILL: When am I wrong?

When am I wrong?

You've known me for 55 years. When have I been wrong?

GLENN: Okay. All right. All right. We're not here to argue things like that.

So tell me about Skydance. Because isn't Skydance Chinese?

BILL: No! It's Ellison. Larry Ellison, the second richest guy in the world. He owns Lanai and Hawaii, the big tech guy and his son is running it.

GLENN: Yeah, okay.

I though Skydance. I thought that was -- you know them.

BILL: Yeah.

And they -- they're not ideological, but they were as appalled as most of us who pay attention at the deterioration of the network presentations.

So --

GLENN: You think that they could.

BILL: 60 Minutes used to be the gold standard.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

BILL: And it just -- it -- you know, you know, I don't know if you watch it anymore.

GLENN: I don't either.

So do you think they can actually turn CBS around, or is it just over?

BILL: I don't know. It's very hard to predict, because so many people now bail. I've got a daughter 26, and a son, 22.

They never, ever watched network television.

And you've got -- it's true. Right?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

They don't watch --

BILL: They're not going to watch The Voice. The dancing with this. The juggling with that. You know, I think they could do a much better job in their news presentations.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

BILL: Because what they did, is banish people like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly.

Same voices, with huge followings.

Huge!

All right?

We couldn't get on there.

That's why Colbert got fired. Because Colbert wouldn't -- refused to put on any non-progressive voice, when they were talking about the country.

GLENN: I know.

BILL: Well, it's not -- I'm censoring it.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's not that he was fired because he wouldn't do that. He was fired because that led to horrible ratings. Horrible ratings.

BILL: Yes, it was his defiance.

GLENN: Yes.

BILL: Fallon has terrible ratings and so does Kimmel. But Colbert was in your face, F you, to the people who were signing his paycheck.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

BILL: Look, evil can only exist if the mechanisms of power are behind it.

And that's when you read the front -- I take them one by one. And Putin is the most important chapter by far.

GLENN: Why?

BILL: Because Putin would use nuclear weapon.

He wouldn't. He's a psychopath.

And I'm -- on Thursday night, I got a call from the president's people saying, would I meet the president at Yankee stadium for the 9/11 game?

And I said, when a president calls and asks you to meet them, sure.

GLENN: I'll be there. What time?

BILL: It will take me three days to get into Yankee stadium, on Long Island. But I'll start now.

GLENN: Especially because the president is coming. But go ahead.

BILL: Anyway, that was a very, I think that Mr. Trump values my opinion. And it was -- we did talk about Putin.

And the change in Putin. And I had warned him, that Putin had changed from the first administration, where Trump controlled Putin to some extent.

Now he's out of control. Because that's what always happens.

GLENN: Yeah.

BILL: It happened with Hitler. It happened with Mao. It happened with the ayatollah. It happened with Stalin. Right now. They get worse and worse and worse and worse. And then they blow up.

And that's where Putin is! But he couldn't do any of that, without the assent of the Russian people. They are allowing him to do this, to kill women and children. A million Russian casualties for what! For what! Okay?

So that's why this book is just in the stratosphere. And I was thinking object, oh. Because people want to understand evil, finally. Finally.

They're taking a hard look at it, and the Charlie Kirk assassination was an impetus to do that.

GLENN: Yeah. And I think it's also an impetus to look at the good side.

I mean, I think Charlie was just not a neutral -- a neutral character. He was a force for good. And for God.

And I think that -- that combination is almost the Martin Luther King combination. Where you have a guy who is speaking up for civil rights.

But then also, speaking up for God. And speaking truth, Scripturally.

And I think that combination still, strangely, I wouldn't have predicted it. But strangely still works here in America, and I think it's changed everything.

Bill, it's always food to talk to you. Thank you so much for being on. I appreciate it.

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Should people CELEBRATING Charlie Kirk’s death be fired?

There’s a big difference between firing someone, like a teacher, for believing children shouldn’t undergo trans surgery and firing a teacher who celebrated the murder of Charlie Kirk. Glenn Beck explains why the latter is NOT “cancel culture.”

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GLENN: I got an email from somebody that says, Glenn, in the wake of Charlie's assassination, dozens of teachers, professors and professionals are being suspended or fired for mocking, or even celebrating Charlie Kirk's death.

Critics say conservatives are now being hypocritical because you oppose cancel culture. But is this the same as rose an losing her job over a crude joke. Or is it celebrating murder, and that's something more serious?

For many, this isn't about cancellation it's about trust. If a teacher is entrusted with children or a doctor entrusted with patients, publicly celebrates political violence, have they not yet disqualified themselves from those roles? Words matter. But cheering a death is an action. Is there any consequence for this? Yes. There is.

So let's have that conversation here for a second.

Is every -- is every speech controversy the same?

The answer to that is clearly no.

I mean, we've seen teachers and pastors and doctors and ordinary citizens lose their job now, just for saying they don't believe children under 18 should undergo transgender surgeries. Okay? Lost their job. Chased out.

That opinion, whether you agree or disagree is a moral and medical judgment.

And it is a matter of policy debate. It is speech in the public square.

I have a right to say, you're mutilating children. Okay. You have a right to say, no. We're not. This is the best practices. And then we can get into the silences of it. And we don't shout down the other side.

Okay? Now, on the other hand, you have Charlie Kirk's assassination. And we've seen teachers and professors go online and be celebrate.

Not criticize. Not argue policy. But celebrate that someone was murdered.

Some have gone so far and said, it's not a tragedy. It's a victory. Somebody else, another professor said, you reap what you sow.

Well, let me ask you: Are these two categories of free speech the same?

No! They're not.

Here's the difference. To say, I believe children should not be allowed to have gender surgeries, before 18. That is an attempt, right or wrong. It doesn't matter which side you are.

That is an attempt to protect life. Protect children. And guide society.

It's entering the debate about the role of medicine. The right of parents. And the boundaries of childhood. That's what that is about. To say Charlie Kirk's assassination is a good thing, that's not a debate. That's not even an idea. That's rejoicing in violence. It's glorifying death.

There's no place in a civil society for that kind of stuff. There's not. And it's a difference that actually matters.

You know, our Founders fought for free speech because they believed as Jefferson said, that air can be tolerated where truth is left free to combat it.

So I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, at all. I don't think you do either. I hope you don't. Otherwise, you should go back to read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Error can be tolerated where truth is left to be free to combat it.

But when speech shifts from debating ideas to celebrating death, doesn't that cease to be the pursuit of truth and instead, just become a glorification of evil?

I know where I stand on that one. Where do you stand?

I mean, if you go back and you look at history, in colonial matter -- in colonial America, if you were to go against the parliament and against the king, those words were dangerous. They were called treason. But they were whys. They were arguments about liberty and taxation and the rights of man.

And the Founders risked their lives against the dictator to say those things.

Now, compare that to France in 1793.

You Thomas Paine, one of or -- one of our founder kind of. On the edges of our founders.

He thought that what was happening in France is exactly like the American Revolution.

Washington -- no. It wasn't.

There the crowds. They didn't gather to argue. Okay? They argued to cheer the guillotine they didn't want the battle of ideas.

They wanted blood. They wanted heads to roll.

And roll they did. You know, until the people who were screaming for the heads to roll, shouted for blood, found that their own heads were rolling.

Then they turned around on that one pretty quickly.

Think of Rome.

Cicero begged his countrymen to preserve the republic through reason, law, and debate. Then what happened?

The mob started cheering assassinations.

They rejoiced that enemies were slaughtered.

They were being fed to the lions.

And the republic fell into empire.

And liberty was lost!

Okay. So now let me bring this back to Charlie Kirk here for a second.

If there's a professor that says, I don't believe children should have surgeries before adulthood, is that cancel culture, when they're fired?

Yes! Yes, it is.

Because that is speech this pursuit of truth.

However imperfect, it is speech meant to protect children, not to harm them. You also cannot be fired for saying, I disagree with that.

If you are telling, I disagree with that. And I will do anything to shut you down including assassination! Well, then, that's a different story.

What I teacher says, I'm glad Charlie Kirk is dead, is that cancel culture, if they're fired?

Or is that just society saying, you know, I don't think I can trust my kid to -- to that guy.

Or that woman.

I know, that's not an enlightening mind.

Somebody who delights in political murder.

I don't want them around my children! Scripture weighs in here too.

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh. Matthew.

What does it reveal about the heart of a teacher who celebrates assassination?

To me, you go back to Scripture. Whoa unto them that call good evil -- evil good and good evil.

A society that will shrug on speech like this, say society that has lost its moral compass.

And I believe we still have a moral compass.

Now, our free speech law doesn't protect both. Absolutely. Under law. Absolutely.

Neither one of them should go to jail.

Neither should be silenced by the state.

But does trust survive both?

Can a parent trust their child to a teacher who is celebrating death?

I think no. I don't think a teacher can be trusted if they think that the children that it's right for children to see strippers in first grade!

I'm sorry. It's beyond reason. You should not be around my children!

But you shouldn't go to jail for that. Don't we, as a society have a right to demand virtue, in positions of authority?

Yes.

But the political class and honestly, the educational class, does everything they can to say, that doesn't matter.

But it does. And we're seeing it now. The line between cancel and culture, the -- the cancellation of people, and the accountability of people in our culture, it's not easy.

Except here. I think it is easy.

Cancel culture is about challenging the orthodoxy. Opinions about faith, morality, biology.
Accountability comes when speech reveals somebody's heart.

Accountability comes when you're like, you are a monster! You are celebrating violence. You're mocking life itself. One is an argument. The other is an abandonment of humanity. The Constitution, so you understand, protects both.

But we as a culture can decide, what kind of voices would shape our children? Heal our sick. Lead our communities?

I'm sorry, if you're in a position of trust, I think it's absolutely right for the culture to say, no!

No. You should not -- because this is not policy debate. This is celebrating death.

You know, our Founders gave us liberty.

And, you know, the big thing was, can you keep it?

Well, how do you keep it? Virtue. Virtue.

Liberty without virtue is suicide!

So if anybody is making this case to you, that this is cancel culture. I just want you to ask them this question.

Which do you want to defend?

Cancel culture that silences debate. Or a culture that still knows the difference between debating ideas and celebrating death.

Which one?

Could passengers have SAVED Iryna Zarutska?

Surveillance footage of the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in Charlotte, NC, reveals that the other passengers on the train took a long time to help her. Glenn, Stu, and Jason debate whether they were right or wrong to do so.

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GLENN: You know, I'm -- I'm torn on how I feel about the people on the train.

Because my first instinct is, they did nothing! They did nothing! Then my -- well, sit down and, you know -- you know, you're going to be judged. So be careful on judging others.

What would I have done? What would I want my wife to do in that situation?

STU: Yeah. Are those two different questions, by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, they are.

STU: I think they go far apart from each other. What would I want myself to do. I mean, it's tough to put yourself in a situation. It's very easy to watch a video on the internet and talk about your heroism. Everybody can do that very easily on Twitter. And everybody is.

You know, when you're in a vehicle that doesn't have an exit with a guy who just murdered somebody in front of you, and has a dripping blood off of a knife that's standing 10 feet away from you, 15 feet away from you.

There's probably a different standard there, that we should all kind of consider. And maybe give a little grace to what I saw at least was a woman, sitting across the -- the -- the aisle.

I think there is a difference there. But when you talk about that question. Those two questions are definitive.

You know, I know what I would want myself to do. I would hope I would act in a way that didn't completely embarrass myself afterward.

But I also think, when I'm thinking of my wife. My advice to my wife would not be to jump into the middle of that situation at all costs. She might do that anyway. She actually is a heck of a lot stronger than I am.

But she might do it anyway.

GLENN: How pathetic, but how true.

STU: Yes. But that would not be my advice to her.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Now, maybe once the guy has certainly -- is out of the area. And you don't think the moment you step into that situation. He will turn around and kill you too. Then, of course, obviously. Anything you can do to step in.

Not that there was much anyone on the train could do.

I mean, I don't think there was an outcome change, no matter what anyone on that train did.

Unfortunately.

But would I want her to step in?

Of course. If she felt she was safe, yes.

Think about, you said, your wife. Think about your daughter. Your daughter is on that train, just watching someone else getting murdered like that. Would you advise your daughter to jump into a situation like that?

That girl sitting across the aisle was somebody's daughter. I don't know, man.

JASON: I would. You know, as a dad, would I advise.

Hmm. No.

As a human being, would I hope that my daughter or my wife or that I would get up and at least comfort that woman while she's dying on the floor of a train?

Yeah.

I would hope that my daughter, my son, that I would -- and, you know, I have more confidence in my son or daughter or my wife doing something courageous more than I would.

But, you know, I think I have a more realistic picture of myself than anybody else.

And I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure what I would do in that situation. I know what I would hope I would do. But I also know what I fear I would do. But I would have hoped that I would have gotten up and at least tried to help her. You know, help her up off the floor. At least be there with her, as she's seeing her life, you know, spill out in under a minute.

And that's it other thing we have to keep in mind. This all happened so rapidly.

A minute is -- will seem like a very long period of time in that situation. But it's a very short period of time in real life.

STU: Yeah. You watch the video, Glenn. You know, I don't need the video to -- to change my -- my position on this.

But at his seem like there was a -- someone who did get there, eventually, to help, right? I saw someone seemingly trying to put pressure on her neck.

GLENN: Yeah. And tried to give her CPR.

STU: You know, no hope at that point. How long of a time period would you say that was?

Do you know off the top of your head?

GLENN: I don't know. I don't know. I know that we watched the video that I saw. I haven't seen past 30 seconds after she --

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: -- is down. And, you know, for 30 seconds nothing is happening. You know, that is -- that is not a very long period of time.

STU: Right.

GLENN: In reality.

STU: And especially, I saw the pace he was walking. He certainly can't be -- you know, he may have left the actual train car by 30 seconds to a minute. But he wasn't that far away. Like he was still in visual.

He could still turn around and look and see what's going on at that point. So certainly still a threat is my point. He has not, like, left the area. This is not that type of situation.

You know, I -- look, as you point out, I think if I could be super duper sexist for a moment here, sort of my dividing line might just be men and women.

You know, I don't know if it's that a -- you're not supposed to say that, I suppose these days. But, like, there is a difference there. If I'm a man, you know, I would be -- I would want my son to jump in on that, I suppose. I don't know if he could do anything about it. But you would expect at least a grown man to be able to go in there and do something about it. A woman, you know, I don't know.

Maybe I'm -- I hope --

GLENN: Here's the thing I -- here's the thing that I -- that causes me to say, no. You should have jumped in.

And that is, you know, you've already killed one person on the train. So you've proven that you're a killer. And anybody who would have screamed and got up and was with her, she's dying. She's dying. Get him. Get him.

Then the whole train is responsible for stopping that guy. You know. And if you don't stop him, after he's killed one person, if you're not all as members of that train, if you're not stopping him, you know, the person at the side of that girl would be the least likely to be killed. It would be the ones that are standing you up and trying to stop him from getting back to your daughter or your wife or you.

JASON: There was a -- speaking of men and women and their roles in this. There was a video circling social media yesterday. In Sweden. There was a group of officials up on a stage. And one of the main. I think it was health official woman collapses on stage. Completely passes out.

All the men kind of look away. Or I don't know if they're looking away. Or pretending that they didn't know what was going on. There was another woman standing directly behind the woman passed out.

Immediately springs into action. Jumps on top. Grabs her pant leg. Grabs her shoulder. Spins her over and starts providing care.

What did she have that the other guys did not? Or women?

She was a sheepdog. There is a -- this is my issue. And I completely agree with Stu. I completely agree with you. There's some people that do not respond this way. My issue is the proportion of sheepdogs versus people that don't really know how to act. That is diminishing in western society. And American society.

We see it all the time in these critical actions. I mean, circumstances.

There are men and women, and it's actually a meme. That fantasize about hoards of people coming to attack their home and family. And they sit there and say, I've got it. You guys go. I'm staying behind, while I smoke my cigarette and wait for the hoards to come, because I will sacrifice myself. There are men and women that fantasize of block my highway. Go ahead. Block my highway. I'm going to do something about it. They fantasize about someone holding up -- not a liquor store. A convenience store or something. Because they will step in and do something. My issue now is that proportion of sheepdogs in society is disappearing. Just on statistical fact, there should be one within that train car, and there were none.

STU: Yeah. I mean --

JASON: They did not respond.

STU: We see what happens when they do, with Daniel Penny. Our society tries to vilify them and crush their existence. Now, there weren't that many people on that train. Right?

At least on that car. At least it's limited. I only saw three or four people there, there may have been more. I agree with you, though. Like, you see what happens when we actually do have a really recent example of someone doing exactly what Jason wants and what I would want a guy to do. Especially a marine to step up and stop this from happening. And the man was dragged by our legal system to a position where he nearly had to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I mean, I -- it's insanity. Thankfully, they came to their senses on that one.

GLENN: Well, the difference between that one and this one though is that the guy was threatening. This one, he killed somebody.

STU: Yeah. Right. Well, but -- I think -- but it's the opposite way. The debate with Penny, was should he have recognize that had this person might have just been crazy and not done anything?

Maybe. He hadn't actually acted yet. He was just saying things.

GLENN: Yeah. Well --

STU: He didn't wind up stabbing someone. This is a situation where these people have already seen what this man will do to you, even when you don't do anything to try to stop him. So if this woman, who is, again, looks to be an average American woman.

Across the aisle. Steps in and tries to do something. This guy could easily turn around and just make another pile of dead bodies next to the one that already exists.

And, you know, whether that is an optimal solution for our society, I don't know that that's helpful.

In that situation.