RADIOOctober 13, 2022

Why there may be NO WAY OUT of today’s ECONOMIC MESS

We’re in an ‘IMPOSSIBLE’ economic spiral, Glenn says, and there might be no way out of it. In this clip, Glenn explains exactly what’s caused America’s current, economic trouble. He explains why European nations will be the first ones to deal with the worst of it, and how specific action from the Federal Reserve could ‘hasten the end.’ Plus, Glenn says why he fears there’s no way out of this economic MESS: ‘I think we're in this spiral now. There's a way to slow it down. But there's not a way to stop it.’

Transcript

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GLENN: The U.S. CPI surges to 40-year highs. Food and shelter costs soar.

The inflation numbers are not good. Service inflation continues to rise, as goods inflation slow. Food and shelter is kind of way up.

Let me take you through some of these. Food inflation is extremely high. We are looking at over 13 -- between 13 and 14 percent. Of food inflation.

Shelter inflation is up almost 7 percent, and the highest on record. Rent inflation, up 7.21 percent. The highest on record.

There -- we're in -- we're in trouble. And the thing that should have happened along ago, is raising the interest rates.

But our fed and -- and our Treasury, and our president, who is still in denial, is -- is -- you know, said to us, no. There's not going to be to us inflation. Don't worry about it. Well, here we are.

And to get ourselves out of it, is going to be a real trick.

STU: Is there a way out of this? I feel when I talk to you, I feel as if there isn't a way out of this.

By the way, in case anyone is interested, this is what it's like, working with Glenn Beck every day. You just come in. Hey. Something great happened at home. My kid had a great score on a test. And then you come in and want to kill yourself. That's life.

GLENN: So here's the problem: Do you want the weather answer? That was good.

STU: I guess when I'm here, I want the real answer.

GLENN: Yeah. Okay. So let me preface this with this. This used to be something where I would say, I think this is coming. Okay?

We're in the place now, where it's all math. And so it is coming. All right? And you're starting to enter the zone of death spiral. We're not there yet. I believe England is just beginning its death spiral. Europe will go first.

Okay? And then it will be us.

But we're in this spiral. Let me start with England. England just a few weeks ago, all their retirement funds crashed, okay?

And their retirement funds had invested -- see if any of this sounded like 2008. Had invested in things that were risky, but were marked stable. These things will never go down. Okay?

STU: Right.

GLENN: So as they started to go down, margin calls came in. And, you know, it's like if you own -- if you own a house, and you've borrowed money on the house. Okay?

And for to buy something else, your house goes down, the bank calls and says, wait a minute. You have a second mortgage here. And your house is not worth what it was. We need you to put more money down, for that second mortgage. Okay?

That's a margin call. So the margin calls came in. And nobody had the money. Everybody was like, wait. But those weren't supposed to go down. So what did they do? Bank of England, which said we'll stop printing money, we'll stop everything.

They had to either let all their retirement funds collapse. So they'll learn their lesson. Or we'll just print more money. They chose print more money.

Here's the problem with the situation that is happening in -- in England and all around the world.

Two things. One, England was talking about tax cuts. Okay?

Well, they were scheduled anyway. It was not this big tax cut thing.

STU: No. Totally overblown.

GLENN: Totally overblown. However, that's symptomatic of the problem we're facing here.

The government and the central banks are fighting each other. I think they're in on it together, quite honestly. But they're doing the opposite things.

By having tax cuts and not lowering the spending of the government, two things happen. You're taking the spending that the government is already just pouring out, way too much money. Okay?

And then you're adding money, and you're putting it in, like fuel injection, right to -- you know, right to the cylinders. And so you're getting that engine to fire up even hotter. Because they're giving it right to you, so you go out and spend it. That makes inflation go up.

At the same time, the central banks are saying, no, we've got to raise interest rates, to bring inflation down, and suck up that money.

Well, you're working against each other. So it's broken. It's not -- it won't work. Okay?

The other thing is it can't work anymore. Because everything, especially energy, are priced in dollars. So all these countries especially in Europe, have to buy more dollars because energy is going up. So they sell our treasuries to get more dollars. But as they buy more physical dollars, the dollar goes up, and they're inflating their money. So their money --

STU: They're printing new money to buy these dollars.

GLENN: So their money goes down, ours goes up. Which means they have to print more, to get our dollar to go up. Or sell more treasuries.

All of that is bad. Because it's just a spiral, that goes out of control.

STU: Right.

GLENN: Here in America, we have the same thing. Where is the main -- what is the main -- inflation has been happening since 2010. Okay?

And it is out of control inflation. But nobody noticed it. The answer was, where was inflation? Do you know?

STU: I mean, the stock market.

GLENN: The stock market. Exactly right.

The stock market doubled in price. And everybody was like, how is this -- and all the experts were like, oh, no. You have some really good fundamentals happening. No, you didn't. You had the Treasury and the fed dumping money into these giant corporations, which were investing back into themselves.

That was inflation. Because you weren't getting bailed out.

They were. Constant flow of that money to the elite.

They put it in the stock market. Which made all of the stocks go up. That was inflation.

But you notice, we didn't pay the inflation prices, at the supermarket. Because we weren't getting bailed out. And we didn't have a disruption in -- you know, in the supply chain. Now you really hit with both.

Now they've dumped trillions of dollars into the market with regular people. They went out and spent it. At a time where production is at an all-time low.

Too much money. Way too much money. And way too few goods. Now inflation is up. What is the government doing?

Well, Social Security today.

STU: 8.7 percent is the cost-of-living increase. The highest since 1981.

GLENN: Yeah. So what is that going to do?

STU: I mean, it's already one of our biggest expenses.

GLENN: Correct. So we're going to have to borrow more money. To pay for that.

STU: And all of those scary scenarios, about Social Security were all based on scenarios, where there weren't high cost-of-living increases. They were as low as they've been for years and years and years. Those rates are never going up, as you know, Glenn. Now that you have, and now it's 8.7 percent. That will blow up all those assumptions that we had, that were already terrible.

GLENN: All of those assumptions, which brings up our national debt. We have to pay a higher interest rate on that. Which then, also, the government is going to get that debt funded by the fed. So they'll print more money. For every retiree, and that number is going to go through the roof here soon.

For every retiree, you're going up almost 10 percent. So a that means almost 10 percent more, for everybody having Social Security.

Where is the money coming from? So you're in a death spiral, and if the fed raises the interest rates any higher, I mean, it -- it could be criminal. It could be criminal.

STU: Oh, but they are going to do it.

GLENN: They can't do it.

STU: But they've been saying they will do it for months.

GLENN: Right. And if they do, they'll I'm going to be hasten the end.

STU: But their argument would be, inflation is out of control.

GLENN: It is.

STU: By the way, the new numbers as you point out, only extend that narrative. This has not worked so far.

GLENN: Do you remember when I said, you know, 15 years ago, you have to control this now. Because the fed will be out of bullets. They won't be able to raise the interest rates high enough, to control inflation. And to pay for everything, we're going to have to print more money.

That time, is no longer theoretical, it's now, okay?

And we are at the beginning of this.

STU: But interest rates have been much higher in the past.

GLENN: Yeah. But you had labor. You don't have labor. Okay?

We had labor. We had product. We could sell things. We have a problem of not just too much money, we have too few goods.

Okay. You can't buy the -- have you ever lived in a time in America, where it's been like this. Where you go to a store, and you just can't get it.

STU: I mean, you're describing a country where you order a car in 2021, and it's not delivered until October 2022. That's a crazy world. I can't imagine a country like that.

GLENN: Correct. So like car inflation. Why is car inflation -- because it's not of regular inflation? It's because the product doesn't exist.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: So it's just driving the prices up. So you have both of those things.

Back when you could raise interest rates, to 19 percent, you still had a healthy supply chain. You still had, you know, people that would work. We have people that won't work now.

We have plenty of jobs. It's like 1.6 jobs for every person that's willing to work. That's a lot of jobs that we could still fill. But people won't work. So you not only have the supply chain, because you can't get the materials. You can't get the people to assemble it. And then, because of that, the price goes up. Because there's just no access to them. So a here's the price level.

Then what do you have? Then you have people not being able to afford it. So they need to get a bailout from the government. Which prints more money.

And then the government is going to come in and say, price controls. We have to push that price back down. But then you put everybody out of work, because companies can't afford to make them. There's a reason the prices are going up. It's like gas. They're ripping people off. No! You're doing everything you can to destroy oil and the market. So, of course, the price is going to go up. You want the price to go down?

Take all of these restrictions away. So you're in this impossible spiral. I'm telling you, I don't just it's going to be -- I don't think there's a way out. I've talked to a lot of people.

I just -- I think we're in this spiral now. There's a way to slow it down. But there's not a way to stop it.

It's going to have to crash. We're going to pay. I've said this for years. You're going to have to pay the bill.

I do not know how it ends. It's going to end in some sort of economic reset. And I worry, with the kind of reset that everybody is talking about.

But you have to do the responsible thing. You are -- I want you to know how important you, as an individual are.

You are doing the hard part now. Most people don't want to know it. They don't want to know it.

There's nothing I can do. Yes, there is.

Information is power. Look, Book of Revelation. Did God give that to us to freak us out?

Because I don't know about you. It's kind of scary.

He gave you the information, so when you see these things happening, you're not freaked out.

Because everybody else is going to go, what the hell is going on?

And you will be calm enough to say, I know what's going on. Don't even go that way. Go this way.

We have to rely on each other. I'm convinced that this audience saves everything, in some form or another. There's a reason we're together.

And honestly, it is an honor to serve you and to help you. I'm doing my part. Your part is to listen. And then at some point, you're going to have to take it.

That's coming. It's coming.

EXCLUSIVE: Chip Roy Explains His FIERY Rejection of Spending Bill

According to the media, there’s a big fight going on between Republicans over the House’s new slimmed-down continuing resolution spending bill. Some, including President-elect Donald Trump, wanted the bill to pass. But others, like Texas Representative Chip Roy, argued that it still wasn’t ready. However, is the Republican “unity coalition” really crumbling, like the media claims? Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn to explain what’s really going on. He argues that he IS trying to give Trump and DOGE a 100-day “runway” to fix the country. But he makes the case that, by increasing the debt ceiling by $5 trillion without agreeing on other cuts, this bill gives bad actors the ability to be an “obstacle” to Trump’s agenda further down the line. Plus, he reveals to Glenn that he believes some of these bad actors LEAKED false information about his stance to Mar-a-Lago.

Transcript

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GLENN:

I think we have a great opportunity today. To show you how to have a -- tough conversation, with friends, friends. Where you deeply disagree on something.

But you know that their intent is good. They know my intent is good. Or our intent is good.

And we actually have the same end goal, but we disagree on the path. And we're going to walk away friends.

Chip Roy is joining us today. And, Chip, I love you. And I always will. And I agree with your, we've got to cut spending. We have to. But Liz Wheeler is with me. And we've been talking about it all morning. It's the -- the -- the -- the system of DOGE and Trump, the call-out to the world, in saying, you've got to surrender the Capitol. You know, the bad guys are in and about to take all the money.

Surround, and tell them, come out with your hands up. And that happened. And we scored a massive win, in an entirely new way.

Ask then you stood on principle, one we both agree with.

And it failed!

And so here's -- here's what Liz and I were talking about. Here's what we want to say to you.

And then get your response.

LIZ: Hi, Congressman Roy, this is the way I see it. I want your take on it. I love you. I think you're one of the best members of Congress. I disagree with you on the process that's happening. And I think that is the difference. The process. We elected Donald Trump to be a disruptor. Because Republican members of Congress for decades have been telling they're fiscal conservatives. They want to decrease the debt SEAL. It hasn't happened.

It hasn't -- it hasn't been done. And so Donald Trump comes in with Elon Musk, and uses this DOGE process to first identify these pieces of garbage in the first 1500-page bill. And take those things to the people. We took them to members of Congress. Congress said, okay. We'll listen to you.

So that new process was very effective.

And my question to you is: Once that process was proved to be effective. Which I think is exciting and wonderful.

How do we bridge this divide, with you, to say, okay.

Let's put some faith in this new process. And trust Elon Musk and Donald Trump and the Dow Jones process, to eventually address the debt ceiling, but get this done right now?

GLENN: And not blind trust. Chip.

CHIP: So appreciate you guys. Appreciate being on the show. Particular order. I have to go through a couple of things.

GLENN: Yep.

CHIP: Number one, it's important to remember that my job and my duty is to the Constitution, to God, and the people I represent. I told them, when I came to Washington, I would not -- I would not let the credit card and the debt ceiling and the borrowing of the United States without the spending restraints necessary to offset it.

GLENN: Okay.

CHIP: Right now, all we have are promises and ideas and notions. What I know, that neither of you respectfully no, and that none of your listeners respectfully no are the people that are in the room, that I was in with yesterday. And the day before, who are recalcitrant.

And do not want to do the spending cuts that we need to do.

That I believe the president and the DOGE guys. And everybody want to do.

My job, is to force that through the meat grinder. To demand that we do our damn job. Okay?

GLENN: Okay. So hang on. Okay. So wait. Wait. You're right. You're right. You're right. Go ahead.

CHIP: Number thee, when we were going through the bill, I'm glad the bill dropped from 1,550 pages to 116 pages. Three-quarters of Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it, have been out there spreading false facts that we supported a bad bill and didn't like the better bill.

That's not true. But let's be Lear. The 1400 pages that were cut out. It's a panacea.

There were some good stuff in there. There were some bad stuff in there. There was a lot of disinformation.

There wasn't a $70,000 pay raise. There was a 3,000-dollar pay raise.

I didn't support any pay raise. I didn't support a lot of the stuff in there.

But there's a lot of misinformation. And here's the thing: The 116 pages that were left, and I opposed violently the first bill. I was leading the charge on fighting and killing the first bill.

GLENN: And I love you.

LIZ: The second bill for 116 pages. Turned off -- turned off the pay go requirement. That we slash 1.7 trillion automatically.

And added a 5 trillion that are increase.

My view was, I could not support that, without a clear understanding of what cuts we would get, in mandatory spending next year. And undo any of the Inflation Reduction Act.

The undoing of the student loans. The undoing of the crap with the food stamps.

And everything else. I yield back.

GLENN: Okay. I yield back.

Chip, you're not in a hostile room. We love you. And we agree with your end goals. It's our end goal too. We didn't make that promise that you made to the people that voted for you. So we have more wiggle room here.

But you say -- I think our big difference is, you say, I know the guys in the room.

You're right. You do. And we -- we ceded that earlier today on the show.

You are -- one of us is wrong on trust.

I don't trust any of the weasels in Washington.

But I think Donald Trump and Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy have earned enough trust, to get a grace period, here for the first -- maybe the first year.

Or at least six months.

To turn the economy around, and also reduce the size of the government.

And totally flip this thing.

And I know, as somebody who is -- you know, run a company, mainly into a ground. But run a company, and have to switch it, in the middle, and totally reshuffle. That -- that actually costs money, while you're doing it, to bridge the gap.

Because you have to fill up holes while you're filling in the gap.

You don't trust the people in the room. Neither do we.

But we do trust the system that worked on Wednesday with DOGE and Donald Trump.

Where do we disagree?

Can you give them --

CHIP: We don't disagree. And yesterday morning, I was making that precise argument in a room full of conservatives and then a follow-up room with people who will call it, less conservatives.

GLENN: Republican. Yes.

CHIP: And so we were making this argument. And then someone infamously. Something leaked out of the room, somehow out to Mar-a-Lago. That I was being resistant. Because I was negotiating trying to get the agreement to achieve the objective that you just said. I was trying to get, okay. In fact, yesterday morning, I made the argument to a group of conservatives. We need to give the president runway. We need to give him his first 100 days. We need to appreciate JD, and Vivek, and all the people -- and everybody involved. For the president to achieve the objective.

But to get there. We have to make sure that the guys in the room, that are an obstacle to that, don't have the ability to block it.

Because information flow matters. And when those guys tell the president, they can't achieve X.

Then the president will not achieve X. Our job was to force and demand, guys, we need actual understanding of what the cuts will be.

And because otherwise, we're asking us to accept a 5 trillion-dollar limit in our credit card increase. In exchange for nothing!

Literally, in exchange for nothing, but -- but hope.

So our job was to force that change.

Unfortunately, while I was trying to make the argument that we needed something in order to get the votes, someone leaked that down to Mar-a-Lago, and the president reacted.

But now I have to now manage that.

GLENN: Right. I know. I know.

CHIP: They're trying to enforce change in town.

GLENN: So hang on.

We have to leave this. Because I'm going to run against the clock.

I could talk to you all day about this. You were in a meeting this morning about J.D. Vance. Can you tell us anything about that meeting?

CHIP: That meeting happened, because despite what happened yesterday, I'm trying to get this done. Last night, talking to JD, we worked to get this meeting done. We had some good progress this morning.

But there still remains people concerned about spending. That we can work out, what agreement we can reach. On what spending cuts. We can actually get next year, in exchange for giving the vote on a debt ceiling increase.

So it remains fluid. Progress was made. But we have to keep working on it.

And I left that meeting to talk to you. Soil get an update in a minute.

GLENN: Thank you for that, by the way.

I hear there is a new bill that may be coming today.

Is that the one you're talking about?

Or is this another bill that could be another nightmare?

CHIP: Despite other people leaking crap, I refused. I can't say, because it's not been decided by the speaker.

And it's not right to talk about things they're talking about in private meetings.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's -- it's this speaker. I mean, is he really the speaker anymore, Chip, really?

CHIP: We need to hear what bill we need to get forward. And I can't talk about the private meetings. But, look, I'm going to keep fighting for what I promised people that I represent.

I'm going to fight to cut spending. I am going to represent article one.

I'm going to support the president's agenda, but we've got to do that together.

GLENN: Okay.

Chip, thank you.

I think we can -- I think we agree, but I await to see what that means to you. Because we may just have to agree to disagree on this.

But I love you. And I still want you to replace Cornyn.

CHIP: The short version is, for inflation's sake, we cannot increase the debt ceiling $5 trillion without knowing what we're getting for it.

And I don't think anybody should disagree with that.

GLENN: But you don't disagree that Elon Musk and Trump and Vivek are serious about gutting the system.

CHIP: I believe that is their objective. I believe there are obstacles to that objective. And I need to know the sincerity of how we deal with those obstacles, both structural, and human. And we have to figure that out. And that's my job.

America's Favorite Villain Is Ready for Nuclear Fallout. Are You? | Glenn TV | Ep 401

In this episode of Glenn TV — a theatrical how-to guide to survive the breakdown of society after a nuclear attack, according to the new movie “Homestead” from Angel Studios. Glenn Beck interviews the movie’s star and executive producer, Neal McDonough, who plays the head of a family trying to survive as society is breaking down in a postapocalyptic world. You’ve probably seen Neal in everything from the hit TV shows “Yellowstone,” “Suits,” and “Justified” to movies like “Captain America,” “Minority Report,” and the groundbreaking mini-series “Band of Brothers.” Glenn asks Neal what it’s like to play a villain so often, how TV and movies are changing, and how he survived Hollywood as a devoted Christian and husband who refuses to do onscreen kissing scenes with any of his female co-stars. They also discuss his battle with alcoholism, what it’s like working the legends like Sylvester Stallone and Kevin Costner, and the cultural craving for Western cinema. Note: Angel Studios is a sponsor of “The Glenn Beck Program.” Get your tickets for “Homestead” at https://Angel.com/Beck.

Biden FLOODED the Government With DEI, But Trump Has ONE Way to Win

With just weeks left in office, President Biden (or whoever’s actually calling the shots) has decided to hire 1,200 DEI officials. Is this part of a plot to undermine Donald Trump’s plans and make it harder for him to rid the government of woke Deep State bureaucrats? Glenn and fellow BlazeTV host ‪@lizwheeler‬ discuss how other Democrats have recently proposed things like this, including a UK-style “shadow cabinet” that would oppose Trump. Liz also gives her advice to Trump on how to deal with these new DEI officials, who will be paid hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to focus on things like “health equity” …

Transcript

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GLENN: Okay. Where were we, Liz?

LIZ: The Biden administration. Although, not Biden. Because he can't tell the difference between a nickel and a dime, trying to sabotage the Trump administration.

GLENN: Yeah. So the latest on this is now Biden is hiring 1200. Biden is not doing it.

But he's hiring 1200 DEI officials, and putting them just under the appointed official. So there will be 1200.

Some of these people make almost $400,000 a year. $400,000 a year! That's your tax dollar!

Will you -- in your -- in your life, your average person, I don't know if you'll ever even -- if you'll ever even pay $400,000 in taxes?

So you could be working your whole life, for that one hire.

And he's hired 1200 of them.

And all he's trying to do is make sure the DEI positions just can't get cut.

I've got news for you.

Donald Trump is going to cut those positions.

He's going to. And it's going to get ugly.

I mean, the ACLU was all over this, saying, oh, we've got plans. We're going to -- we're going to -- this is obscene.

This is absolutely obscene. What the Democrats are trying to do. By thwarting the president.

And honestly, thwarting the will of the American people. Remember the speech that was given by I don't know, some boob from -- well, one of the Carolinas.

I don't want to besmirch the other one for electing a boob. But he was -- he was giving a speech in the well of the Senate. And he said, we need a shadow government. What?

Hold it. You mean a Deep State. Because we already have one of those. And he said. This is a quote.

One of the most obscene things I've ever heard from an elected representative. We failed to make our case. That our policies are better.

Now, in my world, growing up in America, the next sentence is: We need to sit down and talk and find out why we're out of step, with the American people.

His was, but we know we're right. So we need a shadow government, to make sure we put our policies in, anyway.

There's nothing more un-American than that.

By the way, Ted Cruz also said, he thinks there's criminal charges that could be lodged against Biden and his administration for the selling of the steel and the walls for the border.

I think so too. I think so too. He'll probably end up blanketing or pardoning everybody that has either lived by a Biden. Or a Democrat.

Worked for the administration. Everybody will get a pardon at the end.

Honestly, it's like, hey. Everybody, Oprah is here.

Look under your seats.

Because you've got a pardon. You've got a pardon. And you've got a pardon.

Ugh!

Now...

PAT: The Department of Health and Human Services on November 15th. This is posted immediately after President Trump has been reelected.

They advertised for the following position. A deputy assistant secretary for Minority Health. With a salary of up to 221 thousand dollars. This is the goal of this position.

Or this is the purpose of this position.

To, quote, promote health equity.

To promote health equity.

What does that mean?

It means racial criminalization in health care.

It means, if you are seeking, I don't know.

Think about during the pandemic. When there was limited resources. Limited beds in the emergency room.

Limited amounts of drugs and therapeutics, that people could access, in order to treat COVID when it's at its worse.

Well, now you will be screened based on the color of your skin.

That's what health equity is. Health equity is a word used to disguise the reality, that it's just -- it's socialism.

It's discrimination.

It requires, a government official to look at you, and make a decision about whether or not you are going to have access to health care that you might need, based on what you look like.

Not based on the severity of your illness. Not based on your ability to pay. Not based on your request for care. But based on the color of your skin. That's not only wrong and immoral and completely absurd, that a bureaucratic in that position would make over $221,000. That's evil. The left likes to pretend, that you're a racist. Or I'm a racist. Just for voting for Donald Trump. This is evil racism. This is the kind of stuff that we eradicated from our country.

And Biden is trying to plant the Trump administration. With these evil little minions before he leaves.

GLENN: I mean, why are we -- why are we surprised?

How many anti-slavery amendments do we have, to the Constitution.

I mean, it's amazing to me. With very few exception, after ten, most of these seem to be like, oh.

Yeah. Okay.

You're so stupid, you don't understand.

Slaves need to be free. Okay.

Then the next amendment is like, okay. All right.

Let me limp up to explain this once more.

That means, they're Americans, and can vote!

How many amendments are -- are just one after another, especially on slavery.

And, by the way, who was it that didn't understand that slaves should be freed? The Democratic Party.

It -- I swear to you, these amendments are just, God, we didn't think you would be this stupid.

It's already covered!

But let's lay it out clearly, for you.

You cannot discriminate by color! By race! By religion.

We thought that had already been covered, but apparently, not.

LIZ: What I would do if I were the Trump transition team. This is obviously a deliberate effort by the Biden administration. Because within the first ten days after the election, 33 of these jobs were posted on government websites.

So this was -- they were like, okay. Trump is coming in. Let's start ceding the deep state with these races. What I would do if I were Trump transition is I would say, we take racial equality, very seriously. We take civil rights very seriously.

In the administration, of the 47th president of the United States, and anybody who engages, especially a government official who engages in racial discrimination will be prosecuted. And prevent these people from even accepting these jobs. Because they will be threatened with legal action if they do.

GLENN: You can make a legal case. A solid, legal case, that that is exactly right. And that's what should be done.

They would be doing that to us, if we were -- if we were discriminating on race. If we were like, you know what, we're only going to hire white people.

We would go to jail.

Oh, you know what. We're just going to shuffle the deck here.

We're going to look at everybody.

But we lean towards white people.

Did you have Wheaties for breakfast?

If you had Wheaties as a childhood, you're in a different category. Okay?

I mean, we would go to jail. We would be shut down.

It's the same thing.

But don't expect the Democrats to get it.

Did you see the new -- or the DNC chair front runner?

The one they're thinking should be the head of the DNC?

He said, the problem with the election is, the convention should have featured pro-Hamas activists.

LIZ: I totally agree. That absolutely should have --
GLENN: At least they would have been honest.
LIZ: Think about how many Democrat voters, and really prominent people too.

I'm talking about Joe Rogan. I'm talking about Elon Musk. I'm talking about RFK Jr. These were fairly hard-core Democrats, who not only converted to being like, okay. We'll tolerate a Republican. Because it's not Joe Biden.

It's not Kamala Harris.

These people are the biggest supporters of President Trump right now, because of that kind of garbage. So DNC, if you are going to be radical, please be honest and tell us.

Thank you. It's just ushering new Republican voters right into our arms.

GLENN: I respect you, more than I respect people like Mike Johnson.

Mike Johnson doesn't tell me what -- he doesn't tell me what he really is.

What he really believes.

He tells me what I want to hear. I don't believe it. Then he's elected. Then he gets in.

And then he rapes you.

You know, I have much more respect for -- for people who are like, yeah. I'm pro-Hamas.

And you should elect me.

Well, I don't think I'm going to do it.

But thank you for telling me who you really are.

LIZ: Yeah. Great. Let's take all of the Democrat members of Congress. And let's Jamaal Bowman them, let's Cori Bush them.

Because as soon as they were honest about being pro-Hamas, voters were like, actually, we're good.

GLENN: Yep. Yep.

By the way, Hochul has come out. And she has now tried to stir up support to end the electoral college.

Because no offense, Wyoming, according to her words, New York voted for Kamala Harris.

You know, it is so dishonest. And this would -- this would have no space, if -- if we were actually teaching you students, what the electoral college is for.

You want to talk about fairness. Here's fairness: Should New York City dictate what all of New York does?

No!

They have representation. Of all the small towns.

All the farming towns.

Everything else.

New York City, should not be the one that tells everyone else, exactly how to live!

I think there should be electoral colleges in states now.

Because the cities are just devouring, all of the communities outside of those mega cities.

The electoral college is to make sure, that New York, California, and let me say, Texas, doesn't run over all of the other states!

And force how they're living in those cities, and those big states. In Wyoming!

Or Idaho!

Or Alabama!

Yeah. I don't have to live like you do in New York City.

I don't want to live like you do in New York City.

And we have completely different values than you do.

We should have a say, and an even, equal seat at the table.

That's why we have the electoral college. And we have the popular vote.

So you can see. And it's usually pretty close.

This time, however, Hochul, you lost the popular vote!

So you don't really have a case here, on the electoral college.

But you don't have a case.

If you're an American, you don't have a case on the electoral college anyway.

LIZ: Wait a second. Have we war gamed the scenario that you just proposed.

If there was an electoral college on the state level in California or on the state level in New York, what would the -- have we actually looked at a map here. If anybody has done this. Tag me on social media.

Because I am fascinated by this idea. I've not thought of this before. But I -- would we actually swing those states Republicans, if there was a state level?

STU: I bet we would. I bet we would.

You know, every time. Look at Wyoming.

Jackson Hole now controls Wyoming. Just controls it.

Who is -- who is so close to controlling Texas?

All the big cities.

You know, you don't have a chance. When these cities grow so large, they tip everything.

That's why we have an electoral college.

And it didn't used to be this way.

But our cities are becoming mega cities.

Almost states in and among themselves.

You -- you have to balance. Otherwise, the farmer and everybody else, that makes your life possible, in a city, gets screwed.

GLENN: And also think about cheating for a second. If you have a popular vote across the whole country, versus an electoral college system, it's a lot easier to impact the outcome of the entire presidential election because you can have one county somewhere with corrupt election officials.

And if they cheat by 10,000 votes, that could change the outcome of the election.

But if you're an electoral college, it doesn't necessarily.