RADIOAugust 24, 2022

Why Europe’s ENERGY CRISIS is a WARNING to all Americans

We haven’t yet hit the depths of our current economic crisis, says financial expert Carol Roth. Author of ‘The War On Small Business,’ Roth explains why she likens today’s economy to a ‘horror movie.’ But the situation in Europe is even worse. In fact, the current energy crisis there gives Americans a glimpse into our own future if our leaders don’t turn things around soon. Glenn and Roth describe why a recent alert from Switzerland is ‘terrifying,’ what the U.S. can do to prevent a similar future, and the ‘anti-human’ effort spreading throughout the world…

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GLENN: The number of Americans that describe themselves as economic suffering, is now at the index highest since the poll started to be taken. It is the highest at 2008. More and more people are saying that they're not thriving. It was about 60 percent in June 2021. And now July, it is 51.2 percent. That's still pretty good. Half the country still considers themselves thriving. But what is -- what is concerning is the number of Americans who are suffering from that. There's a few things to mention to you here. Democrats have put in the climate law, that could be a game-changer. It was in the Build Back Better. Or inflation reduction bill. They put it in the last hour, to pretty much deal with the EPA ruling from the Supreme Court. They now can. And have the money to regulate all kinds of things that they say are toxic to the planet. One -- one other thing. MorganStanley says, cash looks relatively attractive right now. I wanted to bring in Carol Roth. She is the author of the War on Small Business. And former investment banker, who left the dark side to wield the power of the force on the light side. She has a new piece out for TheBlaze.com. Stop trying to turn America into Europe. Europe is self-destructing. And we won a hour, so we need you to follow suit.

Carol, I keep hearing all kinds of warnings about this fall, and what's going to happen. I'm really concerned. Is that real? Is that not real?

CAROL: Yeah. I've been calling it sort of the horror movie economy. I feel like everyone is taking this breather because it's gotten some data that doesn't look quite as bad as the really bad data. And so I likened it to a horror movie, where all of a sudden, everybody thinks, oh, okay. The killer is dead. And we're going to walk back into the shed, that has all the chain saws. Don't do that. The killer is not dead. That's not where you should be. So I really do think, it's this pause. We haven't hit the depths of sort of the economic recession that's potentially going to come later this year into next year. And, you know, the rolling over of the labor market.

And some of these bright spots, I think, are going to start to deteriorate.

If you just look at the consumer, which is 70 percent of our economy. You know, they have -- it's a book called Savings Rate, is at the lowest level since the great recession financial crisis. And we know that credit card debt is up double digits, since the beginning of the year. So the financial balance sheet of the average American is weakening. And, you know, all of these things are likely going to come together, on top of issues. You know, again, with energy. Where we've seen a little bit of a reprieve here.

GLENN: I saw a story coming out of Switzerland, about how they're begging the people to be prepared for what is coming with food shortages, and some sort of an economic collapse, because of the situation with energy.

And, I mean, it is spooky coming from the Swiss, who are usually just drinking their hot chocolate, and they're happy.

When you're talking about poverty and social unrest, that's a little terrifying. And it seems to be happening all over Europe. Are they ahead of us in real economic trouble?

CAROL: I certainly think they are because they are also ahead of us in this anti-human flourishing energy policy, in terms of, you know, turning over, you know, what could have been a great source of energy. And being more dependent on sources. Even though, we had some of that here in the USA. You know, certainly not anywhere near the extent they have in Europe. And fending on the particular country. The countries like the Netherlands, which are huge exporters of food, that are now saying, oh, well, you can't do this and you can't do this. And try to take away some of the farming, at the time, when we really need it. So it really seems like there is this sort of anti-human effort that is going on across the globe, starting in Europe. And now migrating to America. That is basically like. We don't care if you're suffering. Because we have this great initiative. That we're pushing. And we don't care what the fallout is from that. And, I mean, it's terrifying. This is something that is terrifying. It's why it's so important that we push back on that lunacy. If Europe wants to do that, that's fine. But our founding fathers won a war so that we didn't have to go across the pond and take dictation from them. We need to say, no. This is not the path that we're going down. And, unfortunately, it's the path that the Democrats want to go down.

GLENN: So I was talking to Vivek Ramaswamy. How much of an impact. He now told me $250 million in the first two weeks. How much of an impact, do you think this can have on moving us toward energy companies, saying, I don't care what BlackRock says?

GLENN: Well, you know, the big asset managers, I think between the big three, have something like $20 trillion in asset under management.

So 250 million is a valiant effort. And I'm not trying to downplay. Because we need to start somewhere. But, you know, it is currently a drop in the bucket, until we get some scale. And I think it's important that we need to have more companies that are doing that. The thing that you have to understand about companies, is that they're economic animals. And when it is no longer to their benefit, to be pushing this ESG stuff. It starts to go away. It starts to go sideways. And so it's really important for all of us. Whether you have your money in a pension fund, or a 401(k) that's managed by a third party, whether you're directly investing. You should be writing to where companies and saying, we don't want this. We want to have human flourishing. We want to have a variety of energy options. And if you continue down this path. Pull your money. Because the economic pain is the only thing that is really going to shift and change us.

GLENN: So I was looking at the stability of the world. We have Joe Biden, who is not stable. We have Vladimir Putin, who looks stable. However, with the bombing over the weekend, it could go unstable. I really believe that was probably an inside job. But it may not have been.

If it is Ukraine, we're going to be blamed, and things will get really ugly, quickly. There's something else, too. That nobody else is talking about.

The election of President Xi is coming up in November. This is the last election. He doesn't become a permanent dictator, until and unless he is elected this last time in November.

And when Nancy Pelosi went over -- if you remember, the press was saying, oh, Xi won't stand for this. He'll shoot her plane out of the sky, which is a crazy thing.

However, I'm told, from people who have deep connections in China, that this was the pushback on Xi, trying to get people to say, he's weak and dishonorable. Because to say, he allowed this to happen. That's why they were pushing these extreme scenarios, in all of their press.

So the entire world is unstable. And Vivek did a -- or a podcast with me, a couple of weeks ago. And he told me about the investments in China. And how they're really Shell organizations. You're not really investing in China. And I'm not sure people really understand that. And if China wants to pull out, and wants to cripple us. Wouldn't all they have to do is enforce the laws of, there are no investors that are foreign.

CAROL: So, yes. Any time you have a foreign company, that is listed in the United States, there are a couple of different entities within that may be involved, where you don't necessarily have direct ownership. An ADR. An American depository receipt. Is sort of a claim on shares done through a bank.

GLENN: Wait. Wait. Wait. ADR. That means you keep your money on deposit?

CAROL: So what it means, is that there's an intermediate bank that goes and haves sort of a foreign subsidiary. They buy the shares, and they issue you the claim on those shares. So -- and this is done, by the way, by the biggest companies in the world. The Sonys of the world. They are per the SEC, thousands of these. Over 70 countries. So you don't necessarily have direct ownership there. The thing with China is that they have, you know, on top of the ADRs, another layer. These -- these variable interest entities. VIES, Which I think is what Vivek is talking about. And this is a mechanism to try to talk about the idea that you can't have foreign ownership of anything in China.

The reality of the situation, and I think that the lead that is very clear. Is that nobody really has any ownership of anything in China. Because they are a Communist country. I mean, even if you are a Chinese citizen, you buy a house, you don't own the land. You get a five to seven-year lease there. So the reality is, China does not need these VIES to crack down. It can do whatever it wants. I don't remember if you remember last year, there was a huge company out of China called Didi. It is their ride-sharing company. It's like the Uber of China. They decided, they wanted to list in the United States. China was not happy about that. And they were worried that with audits and disclosures, that secrets were going to leak to the United States. That is what they said. But really, they just didn't like the power going over here. And Didi flouted that power. And what did they do? They opened an investigation, and within months, they delisted Didi from the stock exchange. And tens of billions of dollars of shareholder value was lost, just because China said, yeah. We don't want you to do that. They disappeared Jack Ma for a while, the head of Alibaba, and they put the kibosh on (inaudible), which is their huge financial services firm that owned Ali Pay, was potentially going to be one of the largest companies in the entire world. So they can exercise dish it doesn't matter about these entities. The fundamental underlying issue is the fact that the communist control. And on top of that, the other thing we haven't talked about, is the rampant thought that often happens with Chinese listed companies. So if you're going to be enlisted in China, that little piece of how it's structured is one small concern over a whole --

GLENN: It seems like this is another CDO situation that caused the breakdown of '08. I think we have a bigger CDO, if I'm not mistaken. We have a bigger CDO problem than we had in 2008. Right?

CAROL: Potentially. The big issue of what happened, in my opinion in 2008. Was when they created these securities, what happened with these other entities that sold insurance on securities? That basically said, if something goes on, we will pay with insurance. Just like you insure a house. The problem is they sold like exponential factors more insurance than there were products. If you had ten houses in your neighborhood, and insurance policies were sold on 1,000 houses. Then every time one house burned down, you had to pay off for 100. That's really what caused it.

Not to say, that there wouldn't have been a crisis. There still would have been. But what really caused the depth of that was that exponential insurance that sold --

GLENN: Did we solve that problem?

CAROL: You know what, I don't know that we did. They tried to, you know, reign it in some. But the reality is, there were all kinds of derivative markets, that are truly just gambling. And so there is a lot of systemic opinion, in my opinion, in the market. Because there are products that are not tied directly to the direct ownership of something. That's why in the face of, you will own nothing, from the World Economic Forum. That you want to hold something physical, as much as possible. Even with gold, you want to hold physical gold. You don't want to buy an ETF. Because that ETF may or may not have the gold. It may be a promise. So the closer you can get to an actual, physical ownership of something, is your best way to ensure that you actually do own something.

GLENN: Carol Roth, you can follow her on her website, CarolRoth.com. It's also Carol J. Carol J.S. Roth on Twitter. You can follow her there, and she has a brand-new article out on Blaze.com. TheBlaze.com. Trying to -- stop trying to turn America into Europe, is the name of that article, you can find now. Carol, thank you so much. We'll talk to you again.

EXCLUSIVE: Chip Roy Explains His FIERY Rejection of Spending Bill

According to the media, there’s a big fight going on between Republicans over the House’s new slimmed-down continuing resolution spending bill. Some, including President-elect Donald Trump, wanted the bill to pass. But others, like Texas Representative Chip Roy, argued that it still wasn’t ready. However, is the Republican “unity coalition” really crumbling, like the media claims? Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn to explain what’s really going on. He argues that he IS trying to give Trump and DOGE a 100-day “runway” to fix the country. But he makes the case that, by increasing the debt ceiling by $5 trillion without agreeing on other cuts, this bill gives bad actors the ability to be an “obstacle” to Trump’s agenda further down the line. Plus, he reveals to Glenn that he believes some of these bad actors LEAKED false information about his stance to Mar-a-Lago.

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GLENN:

I think we have a great opportunity today. To show you how to have a -- tough conversation, with friends, friends. Where you deeply disagree on something.

But you know that their intent is good. They know my intent is good. Or our intent is good.

And we actually have the same end goal, but we disagree on the path. And we're going to walk away friends.

Chip Roy is joining us today. And, Chip, I love you. And I always will. And I agree with your, we've got to cut spending. We have to. But Liz Wheeler is with me. And we've been talking about it all morning. It's the -- the -- the -- the system of DOGE and Trump, the call-out to the world, in saying, you've got to surrender the Capitol. You know, the bad guys are in and about to take all the money.

Surround, and tell them, come out with your hands up. And that happened. And we scored a massive win, in an entirely new way.

Ask then you stood on principle, one we both agree with.

And it failed!

And so here's -- here's what Liz and I were talking about. Here's what we want to say to you.

And then get your response.

LIZ: Hi, Congressman Roy, this is the way I see it. I want your take on it. I love you. I think you're one of the best members of Congress. I disagree with you on the process that's happening. And I think that is the difference. The process. We elected Donald Trump to be a disruptor. Because Republican members of Congress for decades have been telling they're fiscal conservatives. They want to decrease the debt SEAL. It hasn't happened.

It hasn't -- it hasn't been done. And so Donald Trump comes in with Elon Musk, and uses this DOGE process to first identify these pieces of garbage in the first 1500-page bill. And take those things to the people. We took them to members of Congress. Congress said, okay. We'll listen to you.

So that new process was very effective.

And my question to you is: Once that process was proved to be effective. Which I think is exciting and wonderful.

How do we bridge this divide, with you, to say, okay.

Let's put some faith in this new process. And trust Elon Musk and Donald Trump and the Dow Jones process, to eventually address the debt ceiling, but get this done right now?

GLENN: And not blind trust. Chip.

CHIP: So appreciate you guys. Appreciate being on the show. Particular order. I have to go through a couple of things.

GLENN: Yep.

CHIP: Number one, it's important to remember that my job and my duty is to the Constitution, to God, and the people I represent. I told them, when I came to Washington, I would not -- I would not let the credit card and the debt ceiling and the borrowing of the United States without the spending restraints necessary to offset it.

GLENN: Okay.

CHIP: Right now, all we have are promises and ideas and notions. What I know, that neither of you respectfully no, and that none of your listeners respectfully no are the people that are in the room, that I was in with yesterday. And the day before, who are recalcitrant.

And do not want to do the spending cuts that we need to do.

That I believe the president and the DOGE guys. And everybody want to do.

My job, is to force that through the meat grinder. To demand that we do our damn job. Okay?

GLENN: Okay. So hang on. Okay. So wait. Wait. You're right. You're right. You're right. Go ahead.

CHIP: Number thee, when we were going through the bill, I'm glad the bill dropped from 1,550 pages to 116 pages. Three-quarters of Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it, have been out there spreading false facts that we supported a bad bill and didn't like the better bill.

That's not true. But let's be Lear. The 1400 pages that were cut out. It's a panacea.

There were some good stuff in there. There were some bad stuff in there. There was a lot of disinformation.

There wasn't a $70,000 pay raise. There was a 3,000-dollar pay raise.

I didn't support any pay raise. I didn't support a lot of the stuff in there.

But there's a lot of misinformation. And here's the thing: The 116 pages that were left, and I opposed violently the first bill. I was leading the charge on fighting and killing the first bill.

GLENN: And I love you.

LIZ: The second bill for 116 pages. Turned off -- turned off the pay go requirement. That we slash 1.7 trillion automatically.

And added a 5 trillion that are increase.

My view was, I could not support that, without a clear understanding of what cuts we would get, in mandatory spending next year. And undo any of the Inflation Reduction Act.

The undoing of the student loans. The undoing of the crap with the food stamps.

And everything else. I yield back.

GLENN: Okay. I yield back.

Chip, you're not in a hostile room. We love you. And we agree with your end goals. It's our end goal too. We didn't make that promise that you made to the people that voted for you. So we have more wiggle room here.

But you say -- I think our big difference is, you say, I know the guys in the room.

You're right. You do. And we -- we ceded that earlier today on the show.

You are -- one of us is wrong on trust.

I don't trust any of the weasels in Washington.

But I think Donald Trump and Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy have earned enough trust, to get a grace period, here for the first -- maybe the first year.

Or at least six months.

To turn the economy around, and also reduce the size of the government.

And totally flip this thing.

And I know, as somebody who is -- you know, run a company, mainly into a ground. But run a company, and have to switch it, in the middle, and totally reshuffle. That -- that actually costs money, while you're doing it, to bridge the gap.

Because you have to fill up holes while you're filling in the gap.

You don't trust the people in the room. Neither do we.

But we do trust the system that worked on Wednesday with DOGE and Donald Trump.

Where do we disagree?

Can you give them --

CHIP: We don't disagree. And yesterday morning, I was making that precise argument in a room full of conservatives and then a follow-up room with people who will call it, less conservatives.

GLENN: Republican. Yes.

CHIP: And so we were making this argument. And then someone infamously. Something leaked out of the room, somehow out to Mar-a-Lago. That I was being resistant. Because I was negotiating trying to get the agreement to achieve the objective that you just said. I was trying to get, okay. In fact, yesterday morning, I made the argument to a group of conservatives. We need to give the president runway. We need to give him his first 100 days. We need to appreciate JD, and Vivek, and all the people -- and everybody involved. For the president to achieve the objective.

But to get there. We have to make sure that the guys in the room, that are an obstacle to that, don't have the ability to block it.

Because information flow matters. And when those guys tell the president, they can't achieve X.

Then the president will not achieve X. Our job was to force and demand, guys, we need actual understanding of what the cuts will be.

And because otherwise, we're asking us to accept a 5 trillion-dollar limit in our credit card increase. In exchange for nothing!

Literally, in exchange for nothing, but -- but hope.

So our job was to force that change.

Unfortunately, while I was trying to make the argument that we needed something in order to get the votes, someone leaked that down to Mar-a-Lago, and the president reacted.

But now I have to now manage that.

GLENN: Right. I know. I know.

CHIP: They're trying to enforce change in town.

GLENN: So hang on.

We have to leave this. Because I'm going to run against the clock.

I could talk to you all day about this. You were in a meeting this morning about J.D. Vance. Can you tell us anything about that meeting?

CHIP: That meeting happened, because despite what happened yesterday, I'm trying to get this done. Last night, talking to JD, we worked to get this meeting done. We had some good progress this morning.

But there still remains people concerned about spending. That we can work out, what agreement we can reach. On what spending cuts. We can actually get next year, in exchange for giving the vote on a debt ceiling increase.

So it remains fluid. Progress was made. But we have to keep working on it.

And I left that meeting to talk to you. Soil get an update in a minute.

GLENN: Thank you for that, by the way.

I hear there is a new bill that may be coming today.

Is that the one you're talking about?

Or is this another bill that could be another nightmare?

CHIP: Despite other people leaking crap, I refused. I can't say, because it's not been decided by the speaker.

And it's not right to talk about things they're talking about in private meetings.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's -- it's this speaker. I mean, is he really the speaker anymore, Chip, really?

CHIP: We need to hear what bill we need to get forward. And I can't talk about the private meetings. But, look, I'm going to keep fighting for what I promised people that I represent.

I'm going to fight to cut spending. I am going to represent article one.

I'm going to support the president's agenda, but we've got to do that together.

GLENN: Okay.

Chip, thank you.

I think we can -- I think we agree, but I await to see what that means to you. Because we may just have to agree to disagree on this.

But I love you. And I still want you to replace Cornyn.

CHIP: The short version is, for inflation's sake, we cannot increase the debt ceiling $5 trillion without knowing what we're getting for it.

And I don't think anybody should disagree with that.

GLENN: But you don't disagree that Elon Musk and Trump and Vivek are serious about gutting the system.

CHIP: I believe that is their objective. I believe there are obstacles to that objective. And I need to know the sincerity of how we deal with those obstacles, both structural, and human. And we have to figure that out. And that's my job.

America's Favorite Villain Is Ready for Nuclear Fallout. Are You? | Glenn TV | Ep 401

In this episode of Glenn TV — a theatrical how-to guide to survive the breakdown of society after a nuclear attack, according to the new movie “Homestead” from Angel Studios. Glenn Beck interviews the movie’s star and executive producer, Neal McDonough, who plays the head of a family trying to survive as society is breaking down in a postapocalyptic world. You’ve probably seen Neal in everything from the hit TV shows “Yellowstone,” “Suits,” and “Justified” to movies like “Captain America,” “Minority Report,” and the groundbreaking mini-series “Band of Brothers.” Glenn asks Neal what it’s like to play a villain so often, how TV and movies are changing, and how he survived Hollywood as a devoted Christian and husband who refuses to do onscreen kissing scenes with any of his female co-stars. They also discuss his battle with alcoholism, what it’s like working the legends like Sylvester Stallone and Kevin Costner, and the cultural craving for Western cinema. Note: Angel Studios is a sponsor of “The Glenn Beck Program.” Get your tickets for “Homestead” at https://Angel.com/Beck.

Biden FLOODED the Government With DEI, But Trump Has ONE Way to Win

With just weeks left in office, President Biden (or whoever’s actually calling the shots) has decided to hire 1,200 DEI officials. Is this part of a plot to undermine Donald Trump’s plans and make it harder for him to rid the government of woke Deep State bureaucrats? Glenn and fellow BlazeTV host ‪@lizwheeler‬ discuss how other Democrats have recently proposed things like this, including a UK-style “shadow cabinet” that would oppose Trump. Liz also gives her advice to Trump on how to deal with these new DEI officials, who will be paid hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to focus on things like “health equity” …

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GLENN: Okay. Where were we, Liz?

LIZ: The Biden administration. Although, not Biden. Because he can't tell the difference between a nickel and a dime, trying to sabotage the Trump administration.

GLENN: Yeah. So the latest on this is now Biden is hiring 1200. Biden is not doing it.

But he's hiring 1200 DEI officials, and putting them just under the appointed official. So there will be 1200.

Some of these people make almost $400,000 a year. $400,000 a year! That's your tax dollar!

Will you -- in your -- in your life, your average person, I don't know if you'll ever even -- if you'll ever even pay $400,000 in taxes?

So you could be working your whole life, for that one hire.

And he's hired 1200 of them.

And all he's trying to do is make sure the DEI positions just can't get cut.

I've got news for you.

Donald Trump is going to cut those positions.

He's going to. And it's going to get ugly.

I mean, the ACLU was all over this, saying, oh, we've got plans. We're going to -- we're going to -- this is obscene.

This is absolutely obscene. What the Democrats are trying to do. By thwarting the president.

And honestly, thwarting the will of the American people. Remember the speech that was given by I don't know, some boob from -- well, one of the Carolinas.

I don't want to besmirch the other one for electing a boob. But he was -- he was giving a speech in the well of the Senate. And he said, we need a shadow government. What?

Hold it. You mean a Deep State. Because we already have one of those. And he said. This is a quote.

One of the most obscene things I've ever heard from an elected representative. We failed to make our case. That our policies are better.

Now, in my world, growing up in America, the next sentence is: We need to sit down and talk and find out why we're out of step, with the American people.

His was, but we know we're right. So we need a shadow government, to make sure we put our policies in, anyway.

There's nothing more un-American than that.

By the way, Ted Cruz also said, he thinks there's criminal charges that could be lodged against Biden and his administration for the selling of the steel and the walls for the border.

I think so too. I think so too. He'll probably end up blanketing or pardoning everybody that has either lived by a Biden. Or a Democrat.

Worked for the administration. Everybody will get a pardon at the end.

Honestly, it's like, hey. Everybody, Oprah is here.

Look under your seats.

Because you've got a pardon. You've got a pardon. And you've got a pardon.

Ugh!

Now...

PAT: The Department of Health and Human Services on November 15th. This is posted immediately after President Trump has been reelected.

They advertised for the following position. A deputy assistant secretary for Minority Health. With a salary of up to 221 thousand dollars. This is the goal of this position.

Or this is the purpose of this position.

To, quote, promote health equity.

To promote health equity.

What does that mean?

It means racial criminalization in health care.

It means, if you are seeking, I don't know.

Think about during the pandemic. When there was limited resources. Limited beds in the emergency room.

Limited amounts of drugs and therapeutics, that people could access, in order to treat COVID when it's at its worse.

Well, now you will be screened based on the color of your skin.

That's what health equity is. Health equity is a word used to disguise the reality, that it's just -- it's socialism.

It's discrimination.

It requires, a government official to look at you, and make a decision about whether or not you are going to have access to health care that you might need, based on what you look like.

Not based on the severity of your illness. Not based on your ability to pay. Not based on your request for care. But based on the color of your skin. That's not only wrong and immoral and completely absurd, that a bureaucratic in that position would make over $221,000. That's evil. The left likes to pretend, that you're a racist. Or I'm a racist. Just for voting for Donald Trump. This is evil racism. This is the kind of stuff that we eradicated from our country.

And Biden is trying to plant the Trump administration. With these evil little minions before he leaves.

GLENN: I mean, why are we -- why are we surprised?

How many anti-slavery amendments do we have, to the Constitution.

I mean, it's amazing to me. With very few exception, after ten, most of these seem to be like, oh.

Yeah. Okay.

You're so stupid, you don't understand.

Slaves need to be free. Okay.

Then the next amendment is like, okay. All right.

Let me limp up to explain this once more.

That means, they're Americans, and can vote!

How many amendments are -- are just one after another, especially on slavery.

And, by the way, who was it that didn't understand that slaves should be freed? The Democratic Party.

It -- I swear to you, these amendments are just, God, we didn't think you would be this stupid.

It's already covered!

But let's lay it out clearly, for you.

You cannot discriminate by color! By race! By religion.

We thought that had already been covered, but apparently, not.

LIZ: What I would do if I were the Trump transition team. This is obviously a deliberate effort by the Biden administration. Because within the first ten days after the election, 33 of these jobs were posted on government websites.

So this was -- they were like, okay. Trump is coming in. Let's start ceding the deep state with these races. What I would do if I were Trump transition is I would say, we take racial equality, very seriously. We take civil rights very seriously.

In the administration, of the 47th president of the United States, and anybody who engages, especially a government official who engages in racial discrimination will be prosecuted. And prevent these people from even accepting these jobs. Because they will be threatened with legal action if they do.

GLENN: You can make a legal case. A solid, legal case, that that is exactly right. And that's what should be done.

They would be doing that to us, if we were -- if we were discriminating on race. If we were like, you know what, we're only going to hire white people.

We would go to jail.

Oh, you know what. We're just going to shuffle the deck here.

We're going to look at everybody.

But we lean towards white people.

Did you have Wheaties for breakfast?

If you had Wheaties as a childhood, you're in a different category. Okay?

I mean, we would go to jail. We would be shut down.

It's the same thing.

But don't expect the Democrats to get it.

Did you see the new -- or the DNC chair front runner?

The one they're thinking should be the head of the DNC?

He said, the problem with the election is, the convention should have featured pro-Hamas activists.

LIZ: I totally agree. That absolutely should have --
GLENN: At least they would have been honest.
LIZ: Think about how many Democrat voters, and really prominent people too.

I'm talking about Joe Rogan. I'm talking about Elon Musk. I'm talking about RFK Jr. These were fairly hard-core Democrats, who not only converted to being like, okay. We'll tolerate a Republican. Because it's not Joe Biden.

It's not Kamala Harris.

These people are the biggest supporters of President Trump right now, because of that kind of garbage. So DNC, if you are going to be radical, please be honest and tell us.

Thank you. It's just ushering new Republican voters right into our arms.

GLENN: I respect you, more than I respect people like Mike Johnson.

Mike Johnson doesn't tell me what -- he doesn't tell me what he really is.

What he really believes.

He tells me what I want to hear. I don't believe it. Then he's elected. Then he gets in.

And then he rapes you.

You know, I have much more respect for -- for people who are like, yeah. I'm pro-Hamas.

And you should elect me.

Well, I don't think I'm going to do it.

But thank you for telling me who you really are.

LIZ: Yeah. Great. Let's take all of the Democrat members of Congress. And let's Jamaal Bowman them, let's Cori Bush them.

Because as soon as they were honest about being pro-Hamas, voters were like, actually, we're good.

GLENN: Yep. Yep.

By the way, Hochul has come out. And she has now tried to stir up support to end the electoral college.

Because no offense, Wyoming, according to her words, New York voted for Kamala Harris.

You know, it is so dishonest. And this would -- this would have no space, if -- if we were actually teaching you students, what the electoral college is for.

You want to talk about fairness. Here's fairness: Should New York City dictate what all of New York does?

No!

They have representation. Of all the small towns.

All the farming towns.

Everything else.

New York City, should not be the one that tells everyone else, exactly how to live!

I think there should be electoral colleges in states now.

Because the cities are just devouring, all of the communities outside of those mega cities.

The electoral college is to make sure, that New York, California, and let me say, Texas, doesn't run over all of the other states!

And force how they're living in those cities, and those big states. In Wyoming!

Or Idaho!

Or Alabama!

Yeah. I don't have to live like you do in New York City.

I don't want to live like you do in New York City.

And we have completely different values than you do.

We should have a say, and an even, equal seat at the table.

That's why we have the electoral college. And we have the popular vote.

So you can see. And it's usually pretty close.

This time, however, Hochul, you lost the popular vote!

So you don't really have a case here, on the electoral college.

But you don't have a case.

If you're an American, you don't have a case on the electoral college anyway.

LIZ: Wait a second. Have we war gamed the scenario that you just proposed.

If there was an electoral college on the state level in California or on the state level in New York, what would the -- have we actually looked at a map here. If anybody has done this. Tag me on social media.

Because I am fascinated by this idea. I've not thought of this before. But I -- would we actually swing those states Republicans, if there was a state level?

STU: I bet we would. I bet we would.

You know, every time. Look at Wyoming.

Jackson Hole now controls Wyoming. Just controls it.

Who is -- who is so close to controlling Texas?

All the big cities.

You know, you don't have a chance. When these cities grow so large, they tip everything.

That's why we have an electoral college.

And it didn't used to be this way.

But our cities are becoming mega cities.

Almost states in and among themselves.

You -- you have to balance. Otherwise, the farmer and everybody else, that makes your life possible, in a city, gets screwed.

GLENN: And also think about cheating for a second. If you have a popular vote across the whole country, versus an electoral college system, it's a lot easier to impact the outcome of the entire presidential election because you can have one county somewhere with corrupt election officials.

And if they cheat by 10,000 votes, that could change the outcome of the election.

But if you're an electoral college, it doesn't necessarily.