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WARNING As Global Stock Markets Drop FAST

U.S. stock markets took a plunge Monday morning after a bad day on Friday. The Dow plummeted hundreds of points, Warren Buffett is selling stocks like crazy, and Japan's stock market recently had its worst day since 1987's Black Monday. So, are these signs of a coming recession? Financial expert Carol Roth joins Glenn to explain what's going on: Why are the stock markets crashing? What does Warren Buffett know that we don't? Are tech stocks like Apple and NVIDIA just going through a correction phase? Is the Federal Reserve to blame? And what can average Americans do to prepare?

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GLENN: Friday, we had a bad jobs report. We're still not in a recession, indicators are showing that we are headed towards one.

But, you know, the indicators have been wrong before.

We are headed towards one. We are headed towards a depression at some point. I just don't know when.

And we're headed for a massive, global collapse. Again, I just don't know when.

Nobody does. That's why I ask you, please, be prepared.

And please take my -- look, I'm not an expert in anything.

Nothing. I'm -- I'm a former DJ, that is a recovering alcoholic, and I'm a self-educated man. So take everything that you -- that I say, with a grain of salt.

I want, I need you to do your own homework.

I hope -- honestly, this hasn't happened yesterday yet. I hope that you do your homework. And you think, wait a minute.

Glenn, you're missing this. And you show that I'm wrong. Because I want to be wrong. But it is coming.

And we are in the birth pangs of the future. We are giving birth right now, to the future.

A baby is coming out. And I don't think -- I don't think we're going to like it.

I think it's one of those babies that comes out like, hey. Mom and dad.

You know, and guarded by Rottweilers. But we're -- we're approaching something.

And our Dow is down almost 1200 points in futures. The reason why this is so important, is because it's not alone. Friday, bad jobs numbers. We were down 611 points.

That's a pretty big at all. This morning, before we even open up. We're down almost 1200 points.

You know, that's almost 2,000 points, in two days.

But in Japan, stocks were wiped out. This happened while you were asleep.

The Nikkei 225 is falling 12 and a half percent. That is the biggest single day decline since Black Monday's collapse of 19 -- what?

'89 or '87, I think it was.

Also, if you read any financial news over the weekend. You saw that Warren Buffett is selling like everything.

He is having the biggest fire sale he's ever had. He's never sold stocks, dumped stocks like he's dumping them right now. That's what happened to Apple a couple of weeks ago. He said, yeah. I don't really feel comfortable with Apple. I'm going to sell. But what we didn't know, until he had to file was, he's selling everything.

And holding on to just the crème de la crème.

What does Warren Buffet know, that we don't know?

Nothing. The difference between Warren Buffet and you and me, is he trusts his gut.

He trusts what he reads. And he doesn't wait, for other people, to verify. His team verifies. And he trusts his team.

I just -- the words of my grandfather keep ringing in my head. If we only knew what the rich people knew, before the Great Depression, we would have been fine. Well, what are the rich people doing?

Also, China found out this weekend, they are buying -- I think it was 50 tons of gold, more, than they said they did.

They said they stopped buying gold. Now some sleuths have gone out and looked. Because something wasn't right. And all this gold was being shipped over to China.

And they realized, my gosh, China is still buying. They're telling people they're not, to try to keep the price down.

So what are the rich people doing?

What are the people in the know doing?

The VIX, which is the volatility, something that is really important if you watch stocks. But it's just important for you to know. And this is just off the top of my head. In 2008, the VIX, the index of volatility. How volatility are things right now? Was at I think 47. In 2008.

In COVID, it was like 56. And it's currently on a scale of one to 100, 65.

So that is an alarm bell that people watch, and say, what kind of -- what's the weather forecast?

What's the VIX say? Are we headed towards really choppy seas?

Yeah. More according to the VIX. According to them, more than 2008 or COVID.

Intel just announced they're cutting 15,000 jobs or 15 percent of its workforce.

Now, let me go and witch topics, to England. What you're seeing in England, is a -- a looksy into the things that are to come here in America. What's been happening in England? Well, for a long time, this is why Brexit happened. And, by the way, I don't think you're going to hear this analysis with -- with other people.

So take it for what it's worth. But as I read it, Brexit happened in a way we can relate to. Brexit happened because people were tired of being told by bureaucrats that they never elected, what they had to do. How they were going to live their life. And those same bureaucrats said, you know what, it's not that cool to be British. I mean, you have a really bad past, Great Britain, and so I wouldn't be so -- I wouldn't be so proud.

In fact, don't fly your flag. You should fly the European flag.

Okay. People didn't like that.

They want to have their own control.

Then, on top of that, you had wild, unfettered immigration.

Do either of these sound familiar to you? So they had wild unfettered immigration.

At the same time, they built on top of a house of cards, where they said they were taking Islamic terrorism seriously. But then they opened the borders. And the police never took them seriously. It was never taken seriously.

You could chop a guy's head off, in the streets of England. And what would people say?

Well, your officials would say, we've got it under control. It was just a misunderstanding. It didn't have anything to do with anything.

There's nothing to see here. Go back to your homes. Nothing to worry about.

Kids were being kidnapped by Islamic rings. And they were being sexually abused. And the police denied it. Denied it. Continued it.

Then when it couldn't be denied anymore, they did a little bit, very little bit. But then everybody in the neighborhood that was standing up, they were deemed the bad guy. So this is the Bubba Effect.

Three girls in a dance class. Just cute, cute little girls in a dance class, 17-year-old kid comes in, and stabs the three girls.

Now, he has a Somalian name. So everybody just assumed he was an immigrant. He's not an immigrant. Bubba Effect. Bubba Effect.

Remember what that was? I told you that in 2000 -- I don't know -- 4, I was talking to Special Forces. And I said, what is the thing that you're most concerned about? And they said the Bubba Effect. What is that?

When the government has lost all of its credibility. And, for instance, they say, we're serious about terror.

And they're not. And people keep pointing it out. And the government doesn't respond.

And then something bad happens. And Bubba, not really knowing anything about world religions or whatever. Will walk into a convenience store. And he will shoot a Sikh because he's got a turban, and he doesn't know.

He'll shoot a Sikh. And it's you people.

And everybody will know, that's wrong. But when the federal government believes in, the people will stand up and say, hey. We'll deal with Bubba. We know he was wrong. But he was acting because you refused to act. You are the -- the problem.

That's what's happened here. They were wrong.

And then on top of that, you have inside and outside, nefarious forces.

You have people who are white skinhead Nazis. You have people who are Islamists. You have people who are just power hungry.

You have people who just want to see the world burn.

And they're all on social media. And what is the government doing?

The government is blaming everything on the right. And social media.

Which will only make things worse. Because the forgotten man, is not a neo-Nazi.

The forgotten man is just the guy who just loves his country. Has gone to work every day.

Seems to be forgotten. Seems to be left behind.

Nobody ever seems to talk about him.

Unless it's to blame him for something that he had nothing to do with.

And, of course, everybody's lining up. To quash, freedom of speech.

They don't have it, like we have it here in America.

They already have speech laws. They're now talking about shutting everybody up.

That won't make things better. It will make things worse.

A Civil War in Great Britain, in a few minutes we'll tell you exactly what is also happening, in Israel, with Iran. And how Russia is now helping Anna Ann enemy of the United States.

GLENN: For anybody old enough to remember, I believe Stu has become Johnnie Carson. He's never working. He seems to always be on vacation.

And always sitting in for him, is Mr. Pat Gray as usual. Hello, Pat.

PAT: I guess somebody cares about the show, right?

GLENN: Yeah. If it's just really you. Just you and me. You and me.

Thanks for coming in again. This is double duty for you. So how are you feeling?

You just finished your show.

PAT: Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh. Oh, I feel great.

I think things are going perfectly. Don't you?

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Nothing to worry about. Nothing to worry about.

GLENN: Yeah. I was in LA this weekend.

Unfortunately, this is my time in California. In I don't know how many years. Oh, man.

I don't like it. Anyway, I was in LA this weekend, doing some business.

And I didn't walk away, with a good feeling.

Now, it is California. But there are so many people that are just convinced that Kamala solves the problem.


They don't -- they won't even look at how radical she is.

PAT: Hmm.

GLENN: If she becomes our president, we are in deep, deep socialist trouble. You think the economy is bad now. This is like putting Chavez or Maduro in. She is as left as that. And everybody is -- at least in California, that I talked to, they're still just enamored with anybody, but Donald Trump. It's like, no, guys, voting for the enemy of the person and just blindly doing it is a very bad job. You must examine their record as well.

PAT: Uh-huh and people forget in 2019, she was the most liberal. The most progressive senator in the United States of America. Beyond Bernie Sanders. Beyond Elizabeth Warren.

She's the worst possible choice for president.

GLENN: Yep. Yep.

PAT: Worst possible.

GLENN: And the Democrats knew that.

PAT: Yeah. They did.

GLENN: I mean, that's why had to be voted for her. Nobody voted for her.

PAT: Right.

GLENN: And I'm growing more and more convinced this was a brilliant move by the Democrats, by the radical left in the Democratic Party. They got her to be vice president, because there's no way America would ever vote for her. So she could become the vice president. And at this point -- because Donald Trump is so unpopular, with the left, she's only a point and a point and a half behind him.

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: That's insanity.

PAT: She's actually leading quite a few polls.

You know, despite her radicalism.

This is a person for abortion on demand.

GLENN: Because nobody is looking at it.

PAT: The border disaster that she's overseen.

She wants to ban fracking and offshore drilling.

She claims she didn't want to ban fracking, but she was all about it just four years ago. She wanted to ban the filibuster.

GLENN: She also wasn't just for the filibuster. But for the Supreme Court.

She's also for a guaranteed jobs program.

PAT: Right.

GLENN: That's the Soviet Union.

PAT: So bad.

GLENN: You can't get any more left than that.

It's really, really not good.

Nationalized health care. She wants the government to take it over.

Now, she said recently. But in 2020, when she was running, and this is who she is. This is what she believes.

PAT: Right.

GLENN: She's moderating because she has to now.

But this is what she believes. Government needs a wholesale takeover of medicine.

GLENN: Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. I have to tell you, I really wish I could put you in my head space right now. It's almost like there's a hedge of protection, on my head space right now. Because it's -- the news that is coming you out is really, really dark, and we're getting closer to something.

And we're going to like it. The Dow is way down. Japan was almost wiped out. Twelve and a half percent.

They had to close the trading floor for a while in Japan. And that is happening in Europe, and now coming here, we had bad job numbers. Lots of layoffs. Intel laid off this morning, 15,000 jobs.

Looks like Chevron is moving to Texas from California. They just can't take California anymore.
And there's riots on the streets of the UK. And I want to get back to this story a little later in the program. But it is -- it's rage bait that is going on. And it -- people are now saying, Elon Musk said this weekend, that civil war is inevitable in the UK. But we also have some news.

Today, it looks like Iran is planning on attacking Israel. They announced this over the weekend.

Speculation was, that it would happen sometime today.

Remember, it's -- it's late in the afternoon.

In the Middle East now, on Monday.

And so, you know, usually if things happen, they happen by the time this show is over. It's usually started.

So we're watching that closely. Jason Buttrill is with us.

He is our chief researcher.

Also, head of watching over all global affairs.

On the program. When it comes to war. He is a former military intelligence.

And is here, to tell us, exactly what we're expecting.

Let's start with Iran, Jason.

JASON: Hey, Glenn, how are you doing? I'm actually surprised it hasn't happened yet. We were getting word that it was supposed to kick off sometime over the weekend. I think the biggest takeaway here, is there will be a response. Pretty much everyone expects it. It sounds like the Israeli military intelligence is expecting it, very imminently. There's a carrier battle group that's on its way from the US to the region, to support, if anything should kick off.

We know something is going to kick off. The question now is just how badly it's going to. And this is only the beginning stages of this larger regional war. And I'm going to say this.

I do believe, this is going to be a regional war, with multiple people. Countries involved. And it's going to mirror their regional war that's already going on in eastern Europe.

And that sounds interesting. Regional war is breaking out everywhere, and we're expected to respond to every single one of them. How is that going to happen?

GLENN: Okay. So the Mediterranean is the sixth fleet, right?

JASON: That sounds correct. I don't remember.

GLENN: I think it's the sixth fleet. You know, I'm sorry if I'm mistaken.

What I want to know, is this carrier group that's going on out, in addition to what we usually send in the sixth fleet, that's always there. Is this a replacement, or is this an addition? Because that's a huge addition.

JASON: I'm fairly positive, that this is an addition to what's going on out there.

GLENN: That's pretty significant, right? Carrier battle group.

JASON: It's especially significant, when you think of all the different theaters that we're guarding against right now.

And I got to tell you, Glenn. Looking at the state of our economy. Our adversaries. What they're trying to do with our economy. Organizations like BRICS. They also are the same people that are opposing us in Eastern Europe right now.

You've got, can I say it --

VOICE: And Israel.

JASON: And Israel. Can I say cascading protest movements that are going all the way through Europe and heading all the way to our own doorstep. Did I read that? Is that where it was?

GLENN: Yeah. That's where I think I got it, yeah. Sure.

And after it cascades, it comes to the United States, and all our enemies look at the West. And say, now, now, now.

And that's exactly what's happening. If you look at what's happening with the Middle East with the Houthis, those are funded by Iran. But now who has just been spotted on the ground and been -- been announcing that they are providing military advice, at least? That's Russia.

JASON: Yeah.

GLENN: Russia is now assisting the Houthis. So this is becoming a global war. Whether we like it or not.

It will.

JASON: Yeah. Everyone always analyzes this.

They say, oh, BRICS will never outdominate the dollar, you know, as the global reserve currency.

They'll never do it. They will never challenge the United States one-on-one. You know, the United States is too powerful. Agreed, one on one, but that's not what's being built here.

I have to tell you, when I was looking at all this information, all together, I kept thinking about the famous Paul Harvey monologue, you know, if I were the devil, what would I do to make change? And I'm not the devil. But I am saying that look at everything together, and connect all the dots. Who were the players that were involved in every single theater? Who were the ones? Who were the ones sowing discord, that is cascading all over the world?

Who were the ones?

Look at the places that haven't blown up yet, but are on the cusp of it. You look at Taiwan. You look at North Korea. That BRICS unit is involved in every single one of those. You cannot destroy the United States or defeat her one-on-one.

We are too powerful, but taken together, with all the different countries that they are building, by the way, and united all at the same time, what happens?

I don't know the answer to that. Because we've never been there. But we're going in that direction. And the people that are running this country, are driving us there in a Cadillac.

GLENN: I will tell you, the -- what happens, if it's World War II, America wins.

Because World War II, America was united.

JASON: Hmm.

GLENN: And we all came together, to fight against evil. That will not happen this time.

We are too divided, and the government has made so many mistakes. I'm really very concerned about England. Because England is the Bubba Effect. It's -- we don't even know the facts, and that's another problem.

But we don't even know the facts of what really happened, that started all of this stuff.

They haven't figured out this kid from last week. They still don't know, well, is he Muslim? Is he not Muslim?

You know, how is he -- we don't know any of that. But people are all assuming that this was a Muslim immigrant. It wasn't.

He was born in England. He's English. But the facts don't matter anymore. Because it appears as though the government is lying to the people in Great Britain. And so they've had enough.

And then you have outside forces, dare I say it, like Russia, again.

And the influence of those we have spoken about, many times on this program.

That want the West to collapse. And are sewing this -- this really demonic seed in not only England and France and all of Europe. But here in America, as well.

Unless we get transparency, we're -- we're -- we're in trouble. Unless somebody stands up and says, you know what, I'm going to open up all the books on this.

The -- the arguments that I'm hearing now, that Kamala is just so great. When this whole thing has been un-Democratic from the beginning. And nobody is really looking at her record. And everybody is saying, you know, well, Donald Trump, he's a bad guy. Where? On what?

On what?

I said to somebody, this weekend. You know, this has been the -- this is the one time, that you can look at a politician.

And I think they're all dirty. But I lived in New York City.

Pat, you remember this. We used to drive by the Trump apartments or hotels on the east side how.

And he was building like five of them, and including, you know, digging under the highway.

And he built five in the same time the city took to build one small building, right across the street from them.

PAT: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And I would have said to you, six years ago, eight years ago, the guy is dirty as hell. He's got to be. Because you can't -- how is it he can get the unions to do everything he wants them to do? How is it he can build five buildings to every one that everybody else builds?

Well, I don't know. But he's the most investigated man, I don't know. In human history. And they've never found anything like that. And nobody will listen. Nobody will listen to that. Nobody will listen and say, they've just been trained, Trump bad. And if you're comparing, you know, anyone to Hitler, I mean, Charles Manson could look good.

Well, he only killed a few. Yeah, and he's got the Nazi swastika carved into his forehead. But he's not telling everybody to hang banners off of every building. You know, hello.

So they give you the worst possible look at somebody, and somebody who actually loves America.

And -- and here we stand, with everything in open flame. Jason, what are you expecting to happen today either in England?

Or -- do you agree with Elon Musk? That he says Civil War is inevitable in England?

JASON: Well, I mean, you've got to think -- what's happening in England, I feel like, can be copied in multiple western countries. Because the big behavior is the same. You talk about the non-transparency. Let's just talk about that for a second. And how this fuels this. If you look at any major mainstream outlet, over Europe and here, all you see is the same headline. Far right protests. Or rioters.

You know, truth -- based off of misinformation.

GLENN: Yeah. Misinformation. Disinformation or malinformation from social media.

JASON: Right. And then they won't even talk about the person that did this attack. They'll say, well, it wasn't an immigrant. Well, we know his parents are from Rwanda, we know that. Were they illegal? Do they talk about that at all, because I guarantee you that the people out there protesting in the street, the point is exactly the same.

Like, this is a crisis of the government's creation.

GLENN: But I think you are -- I think you are giving too much credit to -- look, they can completely wrong. These people were from Rwanda. Maybe they came here legally. And they've been great citizens. And their kid is a great citizen.

It has nothing to do with them, or the kid.

This is -- this is the frustration, of the English people saying, my government is not listening to us. That's the Bubba Effect.

We know he's wrong on that. We know.

But that's not the issue. The issue is, you've been lying to us. For too long.

So we'll take care of Bubba. You back off. That's the Bubba Effect, and I think that's what's happening.

Okay.
The worst-case scenario in Iran. They say this one is -- this attack is going to be expected and unlike anything the world has seen. They say, it's a new something.

I don't remember exactly how they said it. But it reminded me of one thing.

I would like to get your opinion. What do you think is coming?

JASON: I think that a similar attack involving a massive amount of drones and rockets is probable.

I think the addition of non-traditional warfare, armaments like those EMP, Electromagnetic pulse type weapons, I know can be launched from artillery or drones or rockets, as well. To knock out --

GLENN: You know they have that?

JASON: Well, I mean, we don't know for a fact. But Hezbollah has claimed they have gotten them. That wouldn't surprise me at all. Those weapons have been around since probably the '80s.

So we know they're out there. They're just rarely used. I think we used them in Kosovo. We've used them a few times. But think about Israel's ability to respond to a massive wave, coming from the Houthis, coming from Hezbollah.

Hamas. Iran, you know, herself.

And then with all of their electronic superiority knocked out. Yeah, we're looking at a much different battlefield, sure.

GLENN: I will tell you, I think -- I was thinking about this, this weekend.

That, I think we're in the same place we were at the end of World War I, and the end of World War II. New things are being -- or at the beginning of World War II.

New things are being invented, horses, instead of tanks.

Or tanks instead of horses.

Airplanes. It changed the battlefield.

And I really feel like our big, huge aircraft carriers, and everything else.

I think those things are a thing of the past, in warfare. I think we could be overwhelmed quickly.

And I think China, for one, knows that.


GLENN: Hello, America. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. We are going to talk about what is happening in the stock market today. We are on the edge of a very, very big abyss, and I hope we don't fall into it at this moment.

But some things are happening. And you need to be very well aware of them. And we need to go there, with Carol Roth in just about 60 seconds.

Speaking of the economy, it's just -- it's crimes of mismanagement, at this point.

It's impossible to keep track of everything they're doing, that is just absolutely suicidal.

But you can the raw draw a chalk outline around the US that are. And set up the police tape. There's been a murder here. Maybe after this next election.

Things are K start to get better. Nobody hopes that will get better more than you and I do. But you cannot count on that.

We are in a cycle where weak men have created hard times, and it remains to be seen, if we can pull out of this nose dive and become strong men.

All right. Carol Roth, welcome to the program.

CAROL: Glenn, you have to promise me, that one day, you will bring me on to talk about good news.

We'll talk about ice cream. We'll talk about puppy dogs. I feel like your audience, every time they see me, they're like, oh, no. Carol Roth is back again.

GLENN: I know. Carol, I was just thinking the same thing. We never talk when it's good times.

The stock market now. There's -- I have lots of questions, can you just give me the update on what's happened around the world, and then with the opening bell with the stock market?

CAROL: So last week, obviously, we saw some selling off in the stock market. It started with a repricing of the, quote, unquote, Magnificent Seven tech stocks that had been driving up the market. Taking everything else with them.

And, you know, there's -- I think there was an awakening that, oh, in order for AI to be a thesis, companies will actually have to spend a lot. And then that started kind of things.

A few weeks ago, kind of moving. Then in the middle of last week. We had the Fed, who did not -- excuse me, did not lower rates. But did signal, that that could be on the table for September.

And, you know, normally, you would say, okay. The market, wants the Fed to cut rates. What happened, then we got in weak job report. On Friday.

And while sometimes, the bad news can be good news for the market. In this case, they could take it for bad news. That potentially the Fed was behind the curve in terms of lowering rates. And then they felt like maybe this whole idea of a, quote, unquote, soft landing. The idea that you could get the economy as opposed to inflation down without wrecking the economy is off the table.

Then while all of this is going on. You have the Bank of Japan last week. That decided to do the opposite of the Fed.

They have been in 17 years of basically negative or zero interest rates. So they're amortization is going in the other direction. They are trying to raise rates. The first time in 17 years. About four months ago. And then they decided, because the yen, you know -- the yen against the dollar. They needed to fix that. That they were going to go ahead and raise their rates. And fortunately, they did not thread the needle perfectly on that, and that created implications for their markets.

So when Japan opened, you know, last night, our time -- their time in the morning, they saw this massive, massive sell-off. And what happens sometimes, when you get these massive sell-offs are these unwinding of trades. Because they have had zero to negative interest rates. You get a lot of people borrowing.

Those people who borrow, make bets on the yen, and on stocks.

Both in Japan, and in the US. And then they get the margin calls. And then they end up having to sell. And that begets more margin calls.

So you saw the Japanese Nikkei go down 12 and a half percent, in one day. It was their single worst day since 1987. That Black Monday day.

So now, as, you know, the market has opened here in the United States. You know, there's anticipation of, you know, do we get -- how much blowback do we get?

Especially since we had seen some weakness last week.

And obviously, things will shift during the trading day. As we talk here.

So this is kind of realtime. The market opened up, down, pretty significantly. Depending on the index. Somewhere between three and 5 percent.

And we have seen that come off a little bit, as we're talking realtime.

I think that has -- if there's any silver lining here. It's that night it opened. And it continued to fall. And continued to fall.

There was a little bit of support there. But still, as we're talking. We're still seeing the Dow, down almost 3 percent.

The NASDAQ, down almost 4 percent. So it's definitely an ugly day across the market.

GLENN: So how much of this has to do with technology. NVIDIA, which was the darling, just I don't know. A month ago. Everybody was like, you got to have NVIDIA. And maybe that's greed talking. And maybe that's why you shouldn't buy NVIDIA when everyone is saying that happen. But they're down almost 10 percent today. That's down 23 percent from their high, I think like a month ago. Artificial intelligence stocks are down. Tesla is down. Super micro computer down 9 percent.

They're -- is this just everybody down, and why are the tech stocks down?

Were they just too high? Do you know?

CAROL: Yeah.

So this is a bit of repricing in tech. And let's put this in perspective.

So the NASDAQ, which is very tech-heavy. Sort of a good proxy for what's going on, in the tech market.

The 52-week range, the low point, within the last year of where the NASDAQ has been, was 12,544. We're still today, at over 16,000.

So over the last 52 weeks, we still have these massive gains, and it got as high as 18,671.
And I think that's part of the catalyst here.

I mean, these prices, this, quote, unquote, bubble was not sustainable, a lot of people were talking about that.

And the fact that, you know, we see this over-exuberance in tech all the time. You know, first it was web three and the Internet of Things. And the metaverse, and now it's AI.

And all of those DCs have eventually come back down to reality. I'm not sure we're in reality yet. But, you know, as you have companies talking about their earnings, and talking about the spend.

I think there was just this insanity amongst investors. That they felt like AI was just going to take off. Without looking at the cost side.

And as companies are talking about, here's how much capital we will have to deploy, in order for this AI thesis to really work out. I think the market went, oh, okay. Maybe we're not pricing this correctly.

So I think that's part of it. Another catalyst that we've seen. Warren Buffet, noted that he had lessened his position in Apple by about 49 percent.

And obviously, that is --

GLENN: Yeah. That's not lessening. That's not lessening.

That's cutting it in half. That's significant.

CAROL: Cutting it in half.

GLENN: And he's doing this with a lot of his holdings. If I understand right.

He's making some of the biggest sales, he's ever made.

It's almost as if he's becoming bullish on America.

And is -- what does he know that we don't know again?

CAROL: This is a good question. And it's funny, we're having this discussion today.

If you go through his shareholder letter. His other -- one of his other big bets. That he talks about in the shareholder letter. Started in 2019. He doubled down in Japan. He has five really big companies. And really big positions in Japan. So the day that we're talking about Japan going down. And at the same time, the US is going down.

Obviously, Warren Buffet wasn't a catalyst for both of those things. He's still -- as far as we know, still bullish on the Japanese train. But it is interesting.

He has this massive cash pile, I mean, $276 billion, I think it is. Which is just almost impossible, to deploy.

I mean, to think about how, you know, as an investor, you even think about putting that to work and getting the appropriate returns.

So I don't know -- there could be several catalysts.

This is all very much speculation. Because we have not heard from Warren at this point.

I don't know if this is a signal. Where he felt like, hey.

Tech is just getting, you know, so froth peep this is a really good time for me to take profits.

Maybe a little bit of taking profits, ahead of the election.

Worry about an increase in capital gains, perhaps.

Under a potential new administration.

Although, I don't think he would have sold, you know, half of the position, because of that. But one never knows.

And, yeah. Just repositioning his portfolio. But certainly, given the fact that he's lauded as the best investor of all time.

When he does things, people have concern. And the fact that whether it's Bank of America. Or it's Apple. Or some of his other positions, you know, add the fact that he is going to cash -- certainly, I would imagine, on the retail side. And probably on the institutional side, to some extent, has an impact in terms of people's behavior.

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How Trump Could REVOLUTIONIZE American Energy

With the AI race in full swing, America must face one of its biggest obstacles if we're going to beat adversaries like China: our current power grid, which hasn't been updated since FDR, is not sustainable. We need 99% power by 2027. We're at 3%. Of all energy usage, in the next three years, an additional 29 gigawatts will be needed by 2027, and 67 more gigawatts will be required by 2030. Glenn argues that this can only be done by building nuclear power plants. China is already ahead of us in power plant production, so we need to get the ball rolling: "This is something that Donald Trump could do. And it is time!

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GLENN: Tonight is an epic interview with the president at the White House. So don't -- don't miss it. I'm going to do that interview, later this afternoon. It will air 9:00 p.m. Eastern time. It will be unedited. And you will be able to see them.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like you're dealing with Joe Biden anymore.

No. Yeah. Because -- let's see what he says.

You know, I have a lot of things to talk about. Like one thing, that I would like to see, you know, that I don't -- I don't see anybody talking about.

You know, the president is changing the economy. He is changing -- he is getting away from this World War II nightmare.

That, you know, might have been right for 1948. But it's certainly not right for today. Where we were taking care of Europe. We were giving them all kinds of special breaks. We were paying for their defense. Yada, yada, yada.

Instead, now Americans take care of herself. And we all need to be self-sufficient. Well, you know, we're talking about AI a lot. But what people are not talking about is something that Eric Schmitt came to the White House -- sorry, to Capitol Hill and testified a couple of days ago, about the power usage. We have a significant problem with power. Now, I want you to understand.

Everyone will tell you, we cannot you lose the race for AI. Have you heard anyone say anything other than that? Stu.

STU: No. Anyone who talks about it. says, we can't just let China or someone else win it.

GLENN: It's 100 percent universal, we must, must win. Okay?

So where are we going to get all the power?

Here's what Eric said. Many people project demand for our industry go from 3 percent.

3 percent of total energy production. Right now.

We're at 3 percent.

For all of our server farms and everything else.

For Silicon Valley. Uses 3 percent.

He says, it's going to go from 3 percent to 99 percent!

Of all energy usage, in the next three years, an additional 29 gigawatts by 2027 and 67 more gigawatts by 2030.

He's now saying that we have to build hundreds of nuclear power plants.

He said, there were some plants. They will require, most plants will require one nuclear power plant, per server farm!

Some of them may require up to three nuclear power plants per server farm!

So this is really good in one way: Because we will have the electricity that we need. Assuming we start to build these things quickly. I mean, what's going to happen, Stu. It takes 25 years, to build a nuclear power plant. How is it we're expected at all to compete?

We have dismantled our coal-fired plants all over the country. We are still not digging up coal and -- and fuel, as much as we need to.

We need to be open and open on absolutely everything.

That's something that Eric Schmitt said yesterday too. Remember, this is the Silicon Valley guy. I'm sure he was green, green, green for a long time.

Now he's saying, we need absolutely every source of energy. Because we will need 99 percent by 2027.

2027.

What do you think -- what do you think your power price is going to be?

What do you think about rolling blackouts or brownouts?

We have got to be. And this would create so many jobs.

So many jobs. Good-paying jobs. Going out and building all these nuclear power plants.

STU: Is this an opportunity.

GLENN: But will we do it?

STU: For Trump and the Trump administration?

GLENN: Huge. Huge. Huge.

STU: Because it feels like talking about positives, going on offense, rather than being on defense. There's been a lot of defense talk lately.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

STU: And going on offense and saying, hey, we can be the best place for your company to exist. Because we will be the only place on earth that has the power it needs.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

The only other country is doing it is China. And they're building it like crazy. This is something that we have -- Donald Trump could surpass FDR in power generation.

Remember, most people in 1919, Woodrow Wilson, I think 1 percent of the population had a refrigerator. By 1930, I think that number was like 80 percent. Had refrigeration.

When -- when FDR came in, the only places that didn't have stuff. Was there was no electricity in these small little rural towns. So he went. And he started building power plants and dams.

And everything else, to generate all the power. And then started laying power lines. This is something that Donald Trump could do. And it is time!

I mean, our grid hasn't really been updated since FDR.

We're still using the same stuff. And, you know -- and a lot of it is just so outdated. And so bad.

Our grid is so incredibly unstable. And not built for what's coming next.

And I just don't know how he's going to get it done. But this is a big win for him. Big win for him.

You know how many jobs would be created if we introduced and said, we have to build them, in the next three years?

We would be enormous!

Enormous!

And exciting!

STU: Yeah. Yeah. Exciting. I mean, look, having a power is the basis of civilization. Like, this is not a -- it's not a small little thing.

It really is one of the foundational elements you need for a modern civilization.

And we sit here. And we talk about all the things that we can't do.

All of the natural resources that we have. We can't utilize.

All the things that we need to stop.

Right? We need to stop making gas-powered cars.

We need to stop getting our own coal and using it.

We need to stop building nuclear plants. This is a way of saying, no. We're on offense.

We're America. You know, the left is trying to right now. They're in the middle of a rebrand.

And one of their -- as we talked about last hour. They're still seemingly stuck in a lot of these crazy woke stuff that burns them the last time. Hopefully, they stick with them forever.

One of the proposals being proposed bit left. It's this idea of abundance. That's the name of the book that kind of lays these concepts out.

And it's an idea of trying to take away what the right has always had. Which is this idea of saying, hey. We're looking to grow.

We want better things. We want the Americans to have a better, more fruitful. More wealthy.

More -- you know, having more. And we'll decide what we want to do, when we have more.

And the left was always saying, hey. No. We need to restrict. We need to calm that down. You don't need all this. You don't need the bigger house. You don't need the bigger car. And that's not the fundamental, number one thing you should care about. But it was always there for us to say, hey. All these shelves are stocked. Everything you need is right there. You make the decisions on what you want. You make the decisions on prioritize on what you will spend your money on. And what you will spend your time on. And the left is trying to take that back now. You're seeing an opportunity because of a lot of people on the right, who are saying, no. Actually, maybe we shouldn't have those things available. Maybe you don't need them. And I'm nervous. If they decide to go down this road, there is a real vulnerability to the conservative movement, if the left takes that away from us. And they want to.


GLENN: State it again, more succinctly. Your concern again?

STU: My concern is, and this is a real thing being talked about on the left. In sort of their higher level academic circles. Is the approach to say -- to take away, I don't know. It was a -- I would say, pretty consistent with that Reagan optimism. Right? The shining city on the hill.

GLENN: We can do it. We can do it.

STU: We can do it. We can accomplish all these incredible things. Not through government. Through you.

You can do it. We'll have all these things. And you should expect from your country, an abundance, not a scarcity.

GLENN: I'm trying to figure out, where are you seeing that on the left?

STU: There's a major best-seller that just came out, called abundance.

And it was from the left. It was from two guys on the left. And I don't know that they will win.

But, you know, Ezra Klein, Derek Thompson. They're pretty well-known.

GLENN: That's really hard. That's really hard to sell. Barack Obama -- I know. Look at Barack Obama. He has how many houses? Three. Where he's building a seawall around one of his houses, where you can't build a seawall in Hawaii. But he's building a seawall around one of them. That's his part-time house. His other part-time house is in Nantucket, one foot above sea level. One. Count them. One foot above sea level.

STU: Right.

GLENN: And he has a third house someplace else. I think it's here in Washington.

And he's always talking about, hey. You know, there comes a time where enough is enough.

And you have too much.

When is that, Barack?

Because you're telling us, you shouldn't have an SUV.

You have three houses!

See, this whole abundance thing has never been aimed at them!

It's always been aimed at us.

They believe in abundance.

STU: Sure.

GLENN: For the right people. The right people get it.

And that is the biggest difference in abundance, is they've been saying that we all have to pinch back, but they don't actually mean it. At least the Republicans are like, yeah, I'm corrupt as hell and making all kinds of money on the side. But you can't do.

You know what I mean? It's just crazy.

STU: Yeah. No. I agree. I think, look, they've never actually believed any of these things. What was their approach. Forever, we heard the approach of, hey.

Your TVs are too big. Your cars. They're too -- they have too much of what you need.

The SUVs are too large.

Your homes are too large. You don't need the air-conditioning. You should turn it to 72 degrees.

Now, I can bet you at neither Martha's Vineyard or in Hawaii. Barack Obama never had his house set to some uncomfortable temperature he didn't like.

GLENN: Well, he might have.

Because he's right on the ocean. You can get that lovely ocean breeze that most of us don't get.

STU: That's true. That's true.

It was always something they tried to implement on the people. We get what we want.

But you need to sacrifice, for the greater good. And that's -- that's a thing that just doesn't connect exactly, with the American people.

Not because they're not charitable. Because they are. They want to do good things for other people.

They will come together, and do incredible -- accomplish incredible things which they have done.

But it was always this idea that you would be able -- it was part of the American deal, right?

We do these things. We work hard. Maybe we work harder. Maybe we work more hours.

Maybe we put up with more crap. The idea that we can shape our own future. The left is trying to take that messaging back.

Now, I'm with you. In that, I'm not confident, that viewpoint will not win out on the left. Because there's a bunch of insane people.

But it is a vulnerability on the right if we go down this road of trying to encourage the same type of scarcity talk that the left has been engaging in.

GLENN: Okay. Okay.

So let's -- let's take that. Next hour, I want to tell you a story that fits right in here, on what the leftists are doing in San Francisco.

Because it's very similar to what you're talking about.

This morning, when I read it. I thought, that will never work.

But maybe you're right. Maybe it will.

I don't know. But it's insane.

We'll talk about that and so much more. Coming up.

Don't forget, President Trump, an interview tonight at 9:00 with President Trump and I.

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EXCLUSIVE: A Sneak Peek Into Glenn's Sit Down With President Trump

President Donald Trump has made more progress than any other president, or many presidents combined in the first 100 days. Glenn is sitting down with the President for an exclusive 100 day interview, and they have a lot to discuss. President Trump has the opportunity to turn this country around and fix the damage done by the previous administration, but the clock is ticking. Glenn gives a sneak peek into what he and the President will discuss in his exclusive interview at the White House, including the economy, the power grid, and how critical it is that his presidency is a success.

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STU: You've got, of course, your interview with the president of the United States. Going to be airing tonight.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: On Blaze TV. BlazeTV.com/Glenn. By the way.

Promo code Glenn. If you would like to join Blaze TV, and save 20 bucks.

You have kind of an approach here? At this point? Do you know what you will ask him?

GLENN: Had to.

I mean, I do. I've got pages and pages of questions and notes.

But now I have to -- you know, it will take me an hour or two, just to whittle it down to the questions I think I can get in.

You know, I've got 45 minutes or an hour with the president. And that's from the moment he walks in, to the moment he leaves.

So you don't have a lot of time.

And, you know, every -- every single word counts. I know -- I want to start with this. I asked just for a list of the things that he had accomplished on the first 100 days.

And we got to page 89. I'll have all of them tonight.

This is the first I think 89 days.

Look at that.

STU: Hmm. A lot.

GLENN: That's just a list of the accomplishments of the first 89 days.

That's -- what did you say? 4 inches thick? I mean --

STU: Crazy.

GLENN: This guy has made more progress than any other president, or many presidents combined in the first 100 days. Nobody has done what -- what he's done.

But, you know, one of the things that I don't know how -- because I can't ask him directly. So I have to ask him several questions all the way through, that will kind of give you a sense of, are we looking for a reprieves? Is that what we're going to get, a four-year reprieve?

If the economy doesn't turn around fast enough, because I believe the president can turn it around. But if it doesn't turn it around fast enough. Or if people don't understand that he is changing the entire structure of the world.

And he's trying to do it in two years. Really.

We're going to be left with a reprieve and not a -- not a fundamental change. And does he think that's really possible?

Especially, without Congress.

I will rail on Congress. I don't know if he will join me on that.

I really want to know why he isn't pounding Congress into the dirt.

I mean, Congress they're not helpful at all.

No matter what everyone says.

I talked to the people just the last few days here, to tell you that the Senate and the House leadership is on the president's side.

And they don't their butt from their elbow.

They have no idea what they're talking about. They are not on his side. They are not working with him. And that's obvious.

I mean, they should be passing.

You know, I know this is going to be -- you know, he said, I'm going to pass the largest tax cut.

Well, he's not.

What the Congress is doing, is he's actually -- he's thwarting the largest tax increase in American history. That would come next year.

Well, the country needs a tax cut. A tax plan, that will actually encourage spending on business.

Encourage, you know, spending on -- on creating jobs.

I also want to talk to him about energy.

I mean, what are you?

What do you think, Stu?

What are the questions that you want to know?

STU: I think the economy is a big one. And how he's going to kind of go forward with that.

We talked about having that sort of positive agenda. I think that will be helpful.

Seems like the markets are like that today. And there's a little bit of an approach change over the past couple of days, and that seems to be helping quite a bit. I think that's a big one. I think certainly energy is a big one. Department of Education is another one.

GLENN: Wait. Wait. Wait. Those go back to the positive. Like we talked about energy.

Going in and saying, look, I'm going to build all these nuclear power plants in the next three years.

Because testimony on the hill. Yesterday. Take before yesterday. From the president, you know, former CEO of Google. Eric Schmitt was pretty clear.

We are going to -- right now, the cloud services, if you will.

The compute power. For all of the big, you know, computer cloud servers. They require currently 3 percent of all of the electricity that is used in the United States.

3 percent.

In three years, they will require 99 percent of our energy.

Well, there's no way that can happen without us having blackouts and brown Brownouts.

And the rest of the country, just starving itself from electricity.

That will just collapse everything.

So a positive way to deal with this, is to say, I am going to do the biggest energy push ever in American history.

And he's already done it for oil.

And coal.

Now he just needs to say, I'm cutting the red tape. I'm going to make sure that they're safe. But there's new technology now with -- are nuclear power plants. And we're going to drop them in city after city after city.

Where those cloud servers are going to be.

Because if Eric Smith is right. And I believe he is.

Each one of these cloud servers by 2030. Will need a nuclear. Full-sized nuclear power plant, themselves!

That's incredible!

STU: It's incomprehensible.

But, yeah, as you point out. Instead of saying, you know, like an alternate approach to that, would be, hey. We need to stop these AI companies from doing this. We need to make sure that they are not -- that's what I would say, the left would typically do in a situation like this.

They would try to stop the company from growing and innovating.

They would say, you need to do more with less.

And I think the conservative argument there, is to say, hey. No.

We will give you the tools that you need. We will make it easy for these companies to build nuclear power-plants in a safe way, of course.

But reliable energy that can -- that can fuel these things would be great.

I think the same thing. I think you look at Trump's economic plan. He wants to bring let's say manufacturing back to the United States.

Well, there's a couple of ways you can do that.

Both ways are completely consistent with what Trump wants to do. One of them are obviously tariffs. Has almost all the attention. I think there's a reason why the media focuses on that.

I think they would rather talk about the tariffs.

Because they're not as popular. The other side is incentivizing. It's cutting regulation. It's cutting taxes. It's making the United States into the greatest state to do business.

People will want to come here. And the Democrats have worked really hard to take that impression away from the world over the past 20 years.

And Trump, I think in his first term did a good job encouraging that sort of development here.

I think it went pretty well with the economy.

And I think that just -- I think he believes that.

Still, he just -- it hasn't been the focus of -- as much of the messaging. And I think that could help.

GLENN: This is -- this is the problem.

And I'm going to try to get him to explain this.

I can't ask him. I don't think I can ask him directly.

Because the president, if you say, look at how much trouble we're in.

And, you know, is this fixable?

Of course, he will say, yes. It's absolutely fixable.

But he needs to articulate. Or somebody needs to articulate how close to the edge of the abyss we are.

I mean, you know, Stu, you know I have -- I have talked about this economic stuff, over and over again.

I had a conversation with somebody, who I can't say who.

But they believe me, they absolutely know what's happening with our dollar and the economy and everything else.

Okay? An official in the government, that that's -- you know, that's pretty much what they do.
And I said, look, I'm trying to get my arms around this.

Because I'm thinking about, you know, why he called it Liberation Day. And I think it's because he's changing the whole system.

You know, that was set up after World War II.

And yada, yada, yada.

And I said, and I don't think people understand that, if we -- if he fails, this is it.

This is our last chance, to save America.

We're over!

And this individual put their hand on my shoulder, and said, no.

Listen.

We are over. So he said the same thing I did. He just wanted to make sure that I understood, exactly what I was saying. And I found that to be a little terrifying. And I don't think people truly understand, this is it! This is it.

If -- if you -- if you want to have a country left, we're going to go and experience tremendous pain.

I mean, Ronald Reagan talked about this.

You know, there's going to come a time when none of the choices are good. And everybody wants to eat around the edges, and not take the whole pie. You have to have the whole pie. You can't eat around the edges anymore. You've got to fix the entire thing.

And that is going to be really painful.

And dangerous. And I -- I don't know if I can get him to talk about that.

I mean, how would you ask him?

STU: Do you think that's the way he sees it?

Do you think -- because it does seem like the types of maneuvers, he's made, when it comes to foreign trade, for example.

He really does see.

Not just something we need to tweak. An absolute, monumental crisis.

Right?

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: Because that is a big change, and I think maybe slightly different than the perception going in. And that's something he will kind of have to deal with, with the American people. That's why maybe he's having issues with some of the independents, losing support among independents. I don't think he's going to see. You know, I don't think he runs his operation. I don't think he looks at it and says, okay. This isn't polling well right now. So I don't want to do it.

GLENN: No. He doesn't. He sees himself. And thank God, he sees himself as, if I don't do it, no one will.

And I think that's true.

I don't know of -- Donald Trump is completely unique. You know, he's been forged in the fire, where he wasn't in 2016.

He is now.

I mean, what are you going to do to him?

You try to throw him in jail. You try to throw his family in jail. You try to destroy his business, his reputation. You try to call him every name under the sun. They tried to kill him not once, but twice. I mean, what are you going to do to this guy? He doesn't care.

And so I really believe that this is so far beyond him. He knows, look, I am here, that the time for a reason. And it's to save the country, in the way I believe it needs to be saved. And so it is a complete departure from The Great Reset, but it is a Great Reset. The world has been shaping us for this reset.

I've been talking about this since 2008. They shaped us for this reset to where they would -- they would manage the decline to a certain point.

And then it would kind of fall apart and then collapse into this new system that they had built. Well, he's dismantling that, at the same time trying to put the system back into place they can't be they had taken apart.

It's -- I mean, it's -- if he can pull this off. It's going to be a miracle. We will be the first people in the history of the world, to pull this off.

And it's -- it's an interesting -- going to be interesting to see how all of this works out. All right. More in just a second.

GLENN: You know, I'm talking about the Great Reset. Have you seen that Klaus Schwab has resigned?

STU: Hmm. Sad to see him go, Glenn. He's done such good work at the World Economic Forum. He's been able to usher us into this new world that we've all been asking for and demanding. Sad to see.

GLENN: Well, especially, he's done some really good work apparently on the buttocks of several women. Which, you know, I don't know -- I don't know, let's just say they were nice little polite pats on the butt, you know, as they passed by. Hey, sweetheart, how are you doing? Apparently, he's created a very obscene culture at the World Economic Forum. Now, who would have thunk it.

Every time he comes to town, the prostitutes go through the roof, because they're shipped from all over the world. But, no, I'm sure it's a very pro-woman, you know. He really cares. He really cares deeply. But apparently, he's in trouble for sexual harassment. And also -- yeah. Also, problems with some funds. Apparently, he used some funds to buy big houses. But it's no big deal, right?

I mean, eh. He can get away with it. He's Klaus Schwab. I hate these people so much. I hate these people so much.

And the -- the -- the hypocrisy of these people just kills me.

Kills me. One of the other things I want to ask him about is The Great Reset. And how, I mean, six years ago, you remember when we started talking about The Great Reset.

And everybody said, that's -- and now look at it!

Everybody knows about DEI and CRT and everything else.

Everything they said, you have the court system, now defending.

Saying, you can't come back. Wait a minute. I thought it was a conspiracy theory.

I'm just counting conspiracies.

Isn't that what you want?

It's incredible.

I mean, want to know, if you will stand up to the courts.

STU: Yeah. What does that mean exactly too?

I don't know. Obviously, right now, we have six Supreme Court justices that were -- that were actually named by Republicans. Right?

Three of them by President Trump himself.

What does that mean as far as -- I know they took a stance against him, deporting certain people.

And they'll --

GLENN: I can't believe it.

STU: That sort of battle has been fascinating.

GLENN: These people.

When we were saying, we should vet people.

When they're coming in. Ask them. Hey, here's an idea.

COVID. Can we see if they've had their vaccine?

No. You can't do that!

Now, we're trying to ship them back home. Oh, we have to have a sit down with them.

We have to have a formal interview. You know, before we get rid of them. We have to really sit down and talk to them.

No problem bringing them in. None!

Riddled with disease. Not a problem. Hang on just a second. I think you left a few of your fingers behind. They just fell off.

You want to just take them with you, as you enter the United States? No problem coming in, all kinds of problems leaving.

STU: Well.

GLENN: How does this make sense?

STU: A lot of this has to do with your hatred of Maryland fathers. You have always been against people who are just fathers in Maryland.

GLENN: I was a father in Maryland for a while. My daughter was born in Maryland. And I was the dad. So I was a Maryland father.

STU: Wow. You can't be deported. That's apparently the rule.

Did you see the explanation?

I love this. Of the domestic violence thing.

Where she filed a restraining order against him for domestic violence.

Everybody is like, hey. He beat his wife.

She says now, no. That was not true.

She filed a domestic violence restraining order against her husband. Quote, in case things escalated, end quote.

GLENN: Oh, that happened.

Tania did that to me, last week.

STU: It's a case.

GLENN: I need a restraining order. He might kill me.

He was not threatening to kill me. But in case he does. Gosh, this is terrible!

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Shocking Surge: Why Young People Are Flocking to GOD in Droves

According to multiple reports, young people have flocked to the Catholic Church, especially the past year. Glenn believes it’s because of rituals. While progressives tried to change our shared traditions, some institutions are holding tight, and our young people are noticing. “Those rituals you do as a family are very important,” Glenn says. “They’re very human. And they’re not just Catholic traditions…a bride walking down the aisle, a soldier saluted at a ceremony, even the way we light candles to honor the dead. They mark moments that matter in our lives and they help organize things in our mind.” And in the religious sense, they create clarity, something that our younger generations have very little of as the world tells them nothing really matters.

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GLENN: It's Good Friday. One last story on faith. I was reading an article about Tammy Peterson. The wife of Jordan Peterson.

Last year, she walked into a Catholic Church and embraced a new faith. She was a survivor of cancer. And she found, you know, solace in the rosary's ritual. You know, beads and their rhythmic prayers and all of that. And it gave her peace through all of the fear that she had. She shared this last year with the Catholic Herald interview.

And she's not alone.

A New York Post article, this week, reports a surge in young people converting to Catholicism, with year-over-year converts increasing from 30 to 70 percent.

The archdiocese of Fort Worth says, there was a 72 percent jump in converts in the last year!
Something is happening. And I think it's rituals.

You know, Barack Obama knows, said his wife. That we're going to have to change everything. We're going to have to change our traditions. Our language. Our history.

Rituals bring things back together. At a time when we are told, you know, if you disagree with your family. Don't get together with your family. Those rituals that you do as a family, are very important.

They're deeply human.

And they're not just Catholic traditions or relics of the past. They're everywhere. A bride walking down the aisle. A soldier saluted at a ceremony. Even the way we light candles in honor to -- to honor the dead. They mark moments that matter in our lives, and they help organize things in our mind.

And rituals, in Catholicism, the Eucharist, or the confession, elevate this instinct. This need to the sacred. So it's not just -- it's not just a routine.

It is a bridge to meaning. And that matters.

Because when you have meaning, and there's a storm in your life, it gives structure, so it doesn't feel like the storm is just going to wipe you out entirely.

There was a study in 2013, in Scientific American. An article by a psychologist.

That explained that rituals, religious or not. Reduce anxiety. Steady us after loss.

And boost confidence before big moments.

And you can look at this. I mean, it's not faith-based. But think of athletes with a pre-game routine.

Or just a child calmed by a bedtime story.

Rituals amplify this.

New York Post. Noted that young converts now especially Gen Z crave, quoting, the clarity and certainty rejecting the, quote, last week alternatives of modern worship. Why? Because modern worship tells you, you can believe anything. There are no real rules. God will always just take you as you are.

And, I mean, he will. Warts and all. But you've got to do a little something. Try this on for size. How alive is the church over in England?

Has it ever been alive?

Church attendance among 18 to 24-year-olds has jumped from 4 percent to 2018 to 16 percent in 2024.

I would say there's something going on here.

And experts are saying, it is a hunger for substance. And for Tammy Peterson, it was the rosary. That was her lifeline.

And, you know, whatever it is, but whatever the ritual is. You don't have to be a Catholic or anything.

Whatever you are. But what if we all leaned into our rituals a little bit more?

Because they're universal.

I mean, think of the -- think of the little things that we do every day. The morning coffee poured in the same way, the same cup every day. A family holiday tradition. A quiet moment of prayer every day.

Rituals build communities. Like a congregation singing together. In unison.

Or a neighborhood block party. They mark time! They give us mile tones. Baptisms. Graduations. Funerals.

We now live in a world of screen and rush and rituals slow us down.

I don't have time!

Yeah. You do. That's exactly what you need. Rituals. It will slow you down. Make you present in the moment. They're not about rules.

They're all about meaning, if you do it right. This isn't about recognizing, you know, one faith over another. This is about recognizing what rituals do for us. The New York Post highlights how young people facing permaconflict.

Permaconflict. And secular individualism, are seeing traditional Catholicism as cultural defiance.

And you don't have to be a Catholic to find this. Maybe your ritual is, I don't know what it is.

But whatever it is, it can shape your heart and your day. And as we head to Easter this weekend, as we head to our hopefully -- you're attending your Easter service this weekend.

Take time to find your family's ritual. And I say that, my kids are scattered everywhere. And I'm having to go to Washington on Sunday.

And for the first time, I think in my life, I'm not together with my whole family on Easter. And I hate that!

Hate that. You know, things happen in life.

But no matter what faith you are, I mean, we can all learn from each other.

We are all part of one big body. And one big effort.

Because I believe the other side, as we started this show.

We started talking about this really evil editorial. This op-ed. On Substack. That started talking about. You know. When do we start killing people?

Hello?

There is evil. We are witnessing the growth of evil.

But I just gave you some status that show, yeah. But good stuff is happening too.

Generation Z is the hero generation. You watch. You watch.

They will put this back together. Just no matter where you are. No matter what you're doing this weekend, if you're a believer, just say it out loud this weekend, to somebody.

He has risen. Just share it with somebody. Just share the peace.

Live your ritual, whatever it is. Live your ritual.

It's so important.

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Former OpenAI Researcher WARNS of “Reckless Race” for AI Control

AI development companies like OpenAI and Google DeepMind are in a “reckless race” to build smarter AIs that may soon become an “army of geniuses.” But is that a good idea? And who would control this “army?” Glenn speaks with former OpenAI researcher and AI Futures Project Executive Director, Daniel Kokotajlo, who warns that the future is coming fast! He predicts who will likely hold power over AI and what this tech will look like in the near future. Plus, he explains why developers with ethical concerns, like himself, have been leaving these Silicon Valley giants in droves.

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GLENN: So we have Daniel Kokotajlo, and he's a former OpenAI researcher. Daniel, have you been on the program before? I don't think you have, have you?

DANIEL: No, I haven't.

GLENN: Yeah. Well, welcome, I'm glad you're here. Really appreciate it. Wanted to have you on, because I am a guy. I've been talking about AI forever.

And it is both just thrilling, and one of the scariest things I've ever seen, at the same time.

And it's kind of like, not really sure which way it's going.

Are -- how confident are you that -- what did you say?

DANIEL: It can go both ways. It's going to be very thrilling. And also very scary.

GLENN: Yeah. Okay.

Good. Good. Good.

Well, thanks for starting my Monday off with that. So can you tell me, first of all, some of the things, that you think are coming, and right around the corner that people just don't understand.

Because I don't think anybody. The average person, they hear this. They think, oh, it's like social media. It's going to be like the cell phone.
It's going to change everything. And they don't know that yet.

DANIEL: Yeah. Well, where to begin. I think so people are probably familiar with systems like ChatGPT now, which are large language models, that you can go have an actual normal conversation with, unlike ordinary software programs.

They're getting better at everything. In particular, right now, and in the next few years, the companies are working on turning them into autonomous agents stop instead of simply responding to some message that you send them, and then, you know, turning off. They would be continuously operating, roaming around, browsing the internet. Working on their own projects. On their own computers.

Checking in with you, sending messages. Like a human employee, basically.

GLENN: Right.

DANIEL: That's what the companies are working on now. And it's the stated intention of the CEOs of these companies, to build eventually superintelligence.

What is superintelligence? Super intelligence is fully eponymous AI systems, that are better at humans at absolutely everything.

GLENN: So on the surface -- that sounds -- that sounds like a movie, that we've all seen.

And you kind of -- you know, you say that, and you're like, anybody who is working on these.

Have they seen the same movies that I have seen?

I mean, what the heck? Let's bring -- let's just go see Jurassic park. I mean, ex-Machina. I don't -- I mean, is it just me? Or do people in the industry just go, you know, this could be really bad?

DANIEL: Yeah. It's a great question. And the answer is, they totally have seen those movies, and they totally think, yes, they can get rid of that. In fact, that's part of the founding story, of some of these companies.

GLENN: What? What do you mean? What do you mean?

DANIEL: So Shane Legg, who is I guess I'll give you the technical founder of Deep Minds, which is now part of Google Deep Minds. Which is one of the big three companies, building towards super intelligence.

I believe in his Ph.D. thesis, he discusses the possibility of superhuman AI systems, and how if they're not correctly aligned to the right values, if they're not correctly instilled with the appropriate ethics, that they could kill everyone.

And become a -- a superior competitor species to humans.

GLENN: Hmm.

DANIEL: Not just them. Lots of these people at these companies, especially early on. Basically had similar thoughts of, wow. This is going to be the biggest thing ever.

If it goes well, it could be the best thing that ever happens. If it goes poorly, it could literally kill everyone, or do something similarly catastrophic, like a permanent dystopia. People react to that in different ways. So some people voted to stay in academia.

Some people stayed in other jobs that they had, or funded nonprofit to do research about this other thing. Some people, decided, well, this is going to happen, then it's better good people like me and my friends are in charge, when it happens.

And so that's basically the founding story of a lot of these companies. That is sort of part of why Deep Minds was created, and part of why OpenAI was created.

I highly recommend going and reading some of the emails that surfaced in court documents, related to the lawsuits against OpenAI.

Because in some of those emails. You see some of the founders of OpenAI, talking to each other about why they founded OpenAI.

And basically, it was because they didn't trust Deep Mind to handle this responsibly. Anyway how --

GLENN: And did they go on to come up with -- did they go on to say, you know, and that's why we've developed this? And it's going to protect us from it? Or did they just lose their way.

What happens?

DANIEL: Well, it's an interesting sociological question.

My take on it is that institutions tend to be -- tend to conform to their incentives over time.

So it's been a sort of like -- there's been a sort of evaporating growing effect.

Where the people who are most concerned about where all this is headed, tend to not be the one to get promoted.

And end up running the companies.

And they tend to be the ones who, for example, be the ones who quit like me.

GLENN: Let's stop it for a second.

Let's stop it there for a second.

You were a governance researcher on OpenAI on scenario planning.

What does that mean?

DANIEL: I was a researcher on the government's team. Scenario funding is just one of several things that I did.

So basically, I mean, I did a couple of different things at OpenAI. One of the things that I did was try to see what the future will look like. So 2027 is a much bigger, more elaborate, more rigorous version of some smaller projects, that I sort of did when I was at OpenAI.

Like I think back in 2022, I wrote my own -- figuring out what the next couple of years were going to look like. Right? Internal scenario, right?

GLENN: How close are you?

DANIEL: I did some things right. I did some things wrong. The basic trends are (cut out), et cetera.

For how close I was overall, I actually did a similar scenario back in 2021, before I joined OpenAI.

And so you can go read that, and judge what I got right and what I got wrong.

I would say, that is about par for the course for me when I went to do these sorts of things. And I'm hoping that AI 27 will also be, you know, about that level of right and wrong.

GLENN: So you left.

DANIEL: The thing that I wrote in 2021 was what 2026 looks like, in case you want to look it up.

GLENN: Okay. I'll look it up. You walked away from millions of equity in OpenAI. What made you walk away? What were they doing that made you go, hmm, I don't think it's worth the money?

DANIEL: So -- so back to the bigger picture, I think. Remember, the companies are trying to build super intelligence.

It's going to be better than humans, better that night best humans at everything. While also being faster and cheaper. And you can just make many, many copies of them.

The CEO of anthropic. He uses this term. The country of geniuses. To try to visualize what it would look like.

Quantitatively we're talking about millions of copies.

Each one of which is smarter than the smartest geniuses.

While also being more charismatic. Than the most charismatic celebrities and politicians.

Everything, right?

So that's what they're building towards.

And that races a bunch of questions.

Is that a good idea for us to build, for example?

Like, how are we going to do that?
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And who gets to control the army of geniuses.

GLENN: Right. Right.

DANIEL: And what orders are going to be give up?

GLENN: Right. Right.

DANIEL: They have some extremely important questions. And there's a huge -- actually, that's not even all the questions. There's a long list of other very important questions too. I was just barely scratching the surface.

And what I was hoping would happen, on OpenAI. And these other companies, is that as the creation of these AI systems get closer and closer, you know, it started out being far in the future. As time goes on, and progress is made. It starts to feel like something that could happen in the next few years. Right?

GLENN: Yes, right.

DANIEL: As we get closer and closer, there needs to be a lot more waking up and paying attention. And asking these hard questions.

And a lot more effort in order to prepare, to deal with these issues. So, for example, OpenAI created the super alignment team, which was a -- a team of technical researchers and engineers, specifically focused on the question of how do we make sure that we can put any values into these -- how do we make sure we can control them at all?

Even when they're smarter than us.

So they started that team.

And they said that they were going to give 20 percent of their compute to -- towards me on this problem, basically.

GLENN: How much -- how much percentage. Go ahead.

DANIEL: Well, I don't know. And I can't say. But as much as 20 percent.

So, yeah. 20 percent was huge at the time.

Because it was way more than the company, than any company was devoting to that technical question at the time. So at the time, it was sort of a leap forward.

It didn't pan out. As far as I know, they're still not anywhere near 20 percent. That's just an example of the sort of thing that made me quit. That we're just not ready. And we're not even taking the steps to get ready.

And so we are -- we're going to do this anyway, even though we don't understand it. Don't know how to control it. And, you know, it will be a disaster. That's basically what got me delayed.

GLENN: So hang on just a second. Give me a minute.

I want to come back and I want to ask you, do you have an opinion on who should run this? Because I don't like OpenAI.

I like X better than anybody, only because Elon Musk has just opened to free speech on everything. But I don't even trust him. I don't trust any of these people, and I certainly don't trust the government.

So who will end up with all of this compute, and do we get the compute?

And enough to be able to stop it, or enough to be able to be dangerous?

I mean, oh. It just makes your head hurt.

We'll go into that when we come back.

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Daniel Kokotajlo.

He's former OpenAI researcher. AI futures project executive director. And talking about the reckless race, to use his words, to build AGI.

You can find his work at AI-2027.com.

So, Daniel, who is going to end up with control of this thing?

DANIEL: Great question.

Well, probably no one.

And if not no one, probably some CEO or president would be my guess.
GLENN: Oh, that's comforting.

DANIEL: Like in general, if you wanted them to understand, like, you know, my views, the views of my team at the Future Project. And sort of how it all fits together. And why we came to these conclusions. You can go read our website, which has all of this stuff on it.

Which is basically our best guest attempt after predicting their future.

Obviously, you know, the future is very difficult to predict.

We will probably get a bunch of things wrong.

This is our best guess. That's AI-2027.com.

GLENN: Yes.

DANIEL: Yeah. So as you were saying, if one of these companies succeed in getting to this army of geniuses on the data centers. Super intelligence AIs. There's a question of, who controls them?

There's a technical question, of can -- does humanity even have the tools it needs to control super intelligence AIs?

Does anyone control them?

GLENN: I mean, it seems to me --

DANIEL: That's an unsolved question.

GLENN: I think anyone who understands this.

It's like, we get Bill Gates. But it's like a baby gate.

Imagine a baby trying to outsmart the parent.

You won't be able to do it.

You will just step over that gate.

And I don't understand why a super intelligence wouldn't just go, oh, that's cute.

Not doing that. You know what I mean?

DANIEL: Totally. And getting a little bit into the literature here.

So there's a division of strategies into AI's control techniques, and AI's alignment techniques.

So the control techniques are designed to allow you to control the super intelligence AI. Or the AGI, or whatever it is that you are trying to control.

Despite the fact that it might be at odds with you. And it might have different goals than you have.

Different opinions about how the future should be. Right?

So that's it sort of adversarial technique, where you, for example, restrict its access to stuff.

And you monitor it closely.

And you -- you use other copies of the AI, as watchers.

To play them off against each other.

But there's all these sort of control techniques. That are designed to work even if you can't trust the AIs.

And then there's a technique, which are designed to make the case that you don't need the control techniques, because the AIs are virtuous and loyal and obedient. And trustworthy, you know, et cetera.

Right? And so a lot of techniques are trying to sort of continue the specified values, deeply into the AIs, in robust ways, so that you never need the control techniques. Because they were never -- so there's lots of techniques. There's control techniques. Both are important fields of research. Maybe a couple hundred people working on -- on these fields right now.

GLENN: Okay. All right.

Hold on. Because both of them sound like they won't work.