RADIOFebruary 23, 2023

Vivek Ramaswamy SLAMS 3 lies about his 2024 presidential run

Most know Vivek Ramaswamy for his involvement in the business, tech, and anti-ESG world. So does he have the political skills needed to successfully lead the country? Ramaswamy, who recently announced his 2024 presidential run, joins Glenn to detail both why he’d make an excellent president and what he would hope to accomplish while in office. Plus, Ramaswamy debunks 3 falsehoods being spread about his career — one of which he calls an outright ‘LIE.’

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GLENN: Vivek Ramaswamy is on with us.

You know, you could have told me, given me a better clue. We just talked, I think it was on Friday. Said, are you thinking about running for president?

Like, I'm thinking about it.

Come on, you knew.

You knew.

VIVEK: Glenn, I think I said I was very seriously considering it. I think I did on the show.

GLENN: No. We hung up. But I said on the show, he's running. He's absolutely running.

VIVEK: Yeah. Come on. I gave it to you. Absolutely.

GLENN: Vivek, first of all, you were not known as a politician, or somebody who has ever done this.

You're known as a CEO. We'll get into that. What is it that your platform -- look, like on -- with Russia. What would you do as president, with what we're going through right now with Ukraine?

VIVEK: I think foreign policy is all about prioritization, Glenn. I would not spend another dollar on Ukraine. I would re-prioritize that to take on the number one foreign policy challenge. Which is Declaration of Independence from communist China.

I think we can declare economic independence, and defeat them economically, so we don't have to militarily. That's number one.

And at number two, if there's a youth case for the U.S. military and weapons, it is actually to protect our border and to take on, and I would go so far as to say, decimate the cartels, 100,000 fentanyl deaths in the United States today.

Eighty percent of which comes from Southern border crossings. Deal with that. Protect our soil here. We could do that for a refraction, Glenn, of the cost that it takes to, you know, fight a foreign war, on the ear side of the world. That has far fewer American interests to it.

I was in New Hampshire yesterday, and actually one of the things that surprised me, Glenn, was how broad the support for that idea for policy profits is.

And it's amazing, because the defense establishment doesn't -- says, you can't say that in polite company. But that gives you a sense for where I am on foreign policy.

GLENN: So let me ask you, Vivek, the -- Donald Trump was an outsider, he came in. And he's told me, several times, personally, he had no -- he knew it was bad.

But he had no idea, that he wouldn't be able to trust a soul, in Washington. He had no idea, how deep the Deep State was.

And how powerful it was.

What makes you think, you could go in, and rock everyone's world.

VIVEK: Well, he's told me the same thing, and he's a friend. And honestly, I take inspiration of what he did in 2015. I just think we have to take this to the next level. Part of this will just have to be shutting agencies down, full stop. Now, are there costs and benefits to that?

Yes. But I think we live in moments, where the benefits outlive those costs.

GLENN: So when you say shut the agencies down, what agencies are you talking about?

VIVEK: Department of Education. Let's start there. I was speaking to the Iowa legislature this morning, congratulating them for what they did in school choice in Ohio.

I said, they need to eliminate the Department of Education.

Many other three-letter acronyms. Even much of the national security apparatus, Glenn, has to be shut down and replaced in those cases with something new.

Because when a managerial rot runs so deep, you can't reform it by putting a different figurehead at the top.

You have to shut it down, and build something new to take its place.

And here's the other thing: I can say that Donald Trump knows this just as well as I do, from being a CEO.

If you can't fire somebody who works for you, that means they don't work for you.

It means, you work for them. You are their slave.

We need to replace these civil service protections, with sunset clauses. Saying that, you know what, if I can't be the next president of the United States and work for the federal government, for more than eight years, than neither should anybody who works for me, either.

Those federal bureaucrats have to be subject to eight-year sunset clauses.

GLENN: How are you going to get that done?

I mean, you have to have -- you have to have a Congress, that has the balls to do these things. And I'm not sure you have the Congress on either side of the aisle.

You've got a few.

VIVEK: Glenn, you're asking all the right questions, right? So I take a strong view of the Constitution here.

Article II of the Constitution says that the president of the United States, runs the federal government, period.

So if Congress isn't willing to act. As president, I am. And I have studied the Supreme Court. And the composition of the Supreme Court right now.

You want to take this one and test it in the Supreme Court with me? Great. We can then use judicial president to make sure we lock that in.

I believe that Clarence Thomas, and others on the court today, will be right there with me, on my view of Article II and how that reads in the Constitution, to say that a lot of these other -- constitutional statutes. From the impoundment prevention act of 1974. That says that the president has to spend money on specific agencies that greatest has actually authorized to spend it on. That's authorization, not a mandate.

Firing civil service protections, as I said, if you're running the federal government, under articles of the Constitution, the president runs the executive branch.

I take the Constitution seriously. And, you know what, I think the friendly way to do it is to leave Congress.

I personally think that 2024 can actually be landslide election, Glenn.

A topic for another day. I'm optimistic about that.

But if we don't get it done that way, we will get it done through executive authority, per what the Constitution empowers a president to do.

This is once again, America first. I'm all in as an America first conservative.

We just have to take this to the next level, with what I'm repeatedly now calling America first, 2.0.

And that's a big part of the reason, I'm doing this.

GLENN: So why did you -- you said you were Libertarian.

Why -- why did you decide you were a Republican?

A conservative? Over a Libertarian?

VIVEK: I used to be a Libertarian in college. I had this discussion with the folks in New Hampshire too.

There were a couple of Libertarians that came to one of my rallies last night. But here's the thing: Libertarians, I got two issues.

One is, they're too meek, actually. So they'll talk about the free market.

And they say, they don't want to make political expression a civil right, as I believe we need to in this country. Yet, they don't actually touch the other protected classes, like race or sex or religion or national origin.

To my view, to Libertarians today, with all due respect, have their heads in the sand.

Because you can't have it both ways. That's problem number one. The problem number two is deeper. Which is, you know, what are we doing, in that free world?

Even when the state is out of our hair. There's still the deeper question of purpose, as citizens. How we live our lives. How we live virtuous lives.

And I care about virtue, in civic life and in family life, and in faith-based life too. Not to say that the governments should necessarily be involved or mandating those things.

But those things matter for human flourishing, for American flourishing, and Libertarianism has nothing to say about that.

That is why I call myself a conservative today, in contrast to 15 years ago, when I thought I was a cool kid in college, calling myself a libertarian.

GLENN: So we're talking to Vivek Ramaswamy.

He's running for president of the United States. As a Republican.

We've gotten to know each other, over the World Economic Forum. And ESG.

And you are not only one of the biggest voices against it. You are actually -- you've put into action, strive management.

Where you are saying, invest with us.

We'll do better with your money than BlackRock.

And we're going to use the voting rights, that we get, to try to tell these companies, don't do these woke things.

But there's some charges out about you. That I just like to hear you answer.

You were nominated and selected, as a World Economic Forum young global leader in '21.

Did --

VIVEK: Glenn, this is hilarious. This is hilarious. Thank you for this opportunity. This is actually a lot of fun for me. Look, there are a lot of people on the right and the left that are threatened by my entry into this race.

So I welcome the opportunity to have this debate in the open. All right?

I think you know this.

I don't like to boast about myself. But I would go so far to say, no one. And I mean, no one in this country has been a bigger both doer and crusader against the World Economic Forum agenda, than probably the two of us on this call.

I really mean it. I would challenge anybody to name one for me. If you really pressed me.

I would name maybe Elon Musk. And guess what, he's named on that sanely website, of the World Economic Forum. Somebody else, financially.

Friend, Peter Thiel. He's been named on that same website. You want to know why? Here's the dirty little secret. Though -- and I have seen it firsthand. I experienced it firsthand. The World Economic Forum names you on their website without your permission.

So the funny part is, I have a book coming out later this year. Where I actually detailed this experience.

I have phone calls, emails. And I was respectful about it.

I believe in being civil. But I said, do not name me on your website, because I do not accept your award. I don't want to speak at your conference.

They tell me, no, no, no. You don't understand. We have all the global billionaires here. Mark Zuckerbuck was a young global fellow.

No, no, no, Vivek, you don't understand. This is an honor. I respectfully disagree. I don't want to be named. And I don't want to accept your award.

And then they go on to put my name on their website anyway. They've asked me to speak here, and that kind of thing.

I declined. But the funny thing about me. And I've learned a little bit about how this partisan politics game works. You know, Trump spoke at the World Economic Forum in Davos, in 2018 and 2019.

Do I hold that against him?

No. You want to know why, because everyone who is as financially successful as me or Donald Trump or Elon Musk or whatever, gets invited to speak. In my case, I've said no. This has been my focus area.

It would not have made sense for me to do it. In Trump's case, he said, yes, I don't hold that against him.

But I think it just reveals, you know, one of the things that has been eye-opening to me, about the online version of the conservative movement. The rise of these click bait conservatives. That it is sort of sad. Want to mislead their followers to advance what agenda, I don't know.

But at the end of the day, I also don't want to complain about it.

One of the big leagues of presidential politics. It's well-known, it is a dirty game. But it's good to keep your eye on the facts. And there's no -- this agenda than me.

GLENN: Well, I can verify one thing. The world economical forum has me on a list too. And they won't take me off that list either.

So it's just not the same kind of list.

BRAD: They can do it.

GLENN: I know. So the next thing is, that you have a long time association with Soros.

And I'm probably the number one anti-Soros guy in the world.

VIVEK: Can I give you a one-word answer to that question, Glenn?

I know you're the number one anti-Soros guy. So I'm not saying false to you. I'm saying false to the long-time association with George Soros.

Lie. 100 percent lie.

Now, let me actually give you guys the facts. And again, this -- these click bait conservatives online.

I don't know if they feel threatened or whatever. And they need to make up stuff.

I was 25 years old. When I went to law school. I got a scholarship funded by Paul Soros, not George Soros. But Paul Soros.

That allowed me at the age of 25, to pay for law school, and I took it.

You want to know why? Because I'm smart.

Now, it's hilarious to me, that the same people who bring that back up from when I was 25 years old, taking a scholarship, funded partially by somebody who is related to George Soros, don't say a word about the fact, that, again, Donald Trump, who I love. Who I respect. I'm not criticizing him. Took 160-million-dollar loan from not Paul Soros, but George Soros himself.

I have no problem with this. You want to know why?

Because it's business.

Donald Trump knows what he's doing. I don't think he's corrupted by that.

I'm not criticizing him for it. He's a friend. But I think it's funny. And I think it's revealing, that these same people will talk about a 25-year-old dude taking a scholarship to help him pay for law school from a relative of George Soros. Make a big deal out of that, without saying a peep about Donald Trump taking 165 million-dollar loan for George Soros, and I say that as a friend and somebody who respects Donald Trump.

Because I don't think that that disqualifies him or taints him in any way, because he's a man of integrity. And he's doing business the way he knows how.

But I think when you're in positions like I've been or Donald Trump has been, you get that. I think, you know, if you're sitting online on Twitter, it can be a very different story.

GLENN: All right. I have one more question in this line here. And that is: You're -- you're a biotechnical guy. And in bed with big pharmaceuticals.

And big proponent of mRNA shots.

And, you know, you -- you have -- you've never critiqued Pfizer.

VIVEK: So let me -- let me say a couple things. First of those things is true.

I'm a biotech guy. I am proud of my success in biotech. Glenn, five of the medicines I worked on, personally oversaw in the company I founded. Are FDA products today.

That is now a multi-billion-dollar company. A seven-billion-dollar company that I led as CEO.

One of those drugs is a drug for prostate cancer. Another for women's health conditions, for endometriosis, to Uterine fibroids, to psoriasis. To one that is particularly touching for me.

I say an approved therapy for kids, who are born with a genetic disease that caused them to die by the age of two, at a 100 percent fatality rate by the age of 2 or 3. Now a majority of them have an opportunity to live lives of potentially a normal duration.

I'm proud of those things, Glenn. I will not apologize. That is part of what makes America great, and it's part of what makes innovation great, is it empowers human beings to live better lives.

That is not an association with anything other than human innovation and a commitment to actually making people prosper by addressing diseases and treating them.

Now, the idea that I am a proponent of some sort of vaccination agenda. No, I'm on the record right now.

I oppose vaccine mandates. I think there has been a lot of rampant government lying and mistrust. Appropriately shown to the American public. Because of how badly they handled this issue.

But I think we can't go to a place where we say that now we don't want people working on innovative medicines to treat diseases from prostate cancer, to psoriasis, to genetic conditions in children.

No. I think we have to stand up for the innovation that makes us who we are. And I'm proud of what I accomplished.

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GLENN: Let me go back to your platform. A good friend of ours, David Harsanyi, has pushed back a bit on one of your platform policies. I would like to hear your response.

STU: Yeah. I think some respectful questioning, about one of your policy proposals, Vivek, about making political ideas a protected right.

I think there's a lot of appeal to conservatives, who continually get fired from their jobs, over what they believe.

He says, though. You're -- we could have some negative side effects. He says, your idea would potentially make it illegal for not only for Disney to fire a social conservative, but for a Jewish restaurant to sever its restaurant with a neo-Nazi, or a hedge fund would be compelled to keep a Trotskyite, who believe profits are evil on the payroll. Or Walmart having to wait for the worker who spends his days trying to put big box chains out of business, to leave on his own volition. How do you walk this line?

Because, obviously, there's a lot of really negative consequences coming from this. But does -- if we make this a civil right, does it go too far?

VIVEK: Great question. These are the things that we should actually be talking about. Great question. Thank you.

Here's what I would say: I would give Congress a choice. Either you repeal the protected classes as they exist. Okay?

Race, sex, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, and you actually leave it to the free market. Or you have to apply those standards evenhandedly. But you cannot have it both ways.

And since this is -- I know who I'm talking to. A pretty sophisticated counterpart here, and Glenn in particular understands this. I know.

Let me explain how those civil rights laws and protected classes created the conditions for viewpoint discrimination. Okay?

GLENN: We have two minutes.

VIVEK: Yeah. So Lyndon Johnson thought it was just prohibiting discrimination on the base of race.

But they've now been interpreted to say, that includes hostile work environments against religious minorities. What's one of the ways you can create a hostile work environment?

It's by wearing a Trump hat to work. It's by saying the wrong thing on social media. So ironically, the law created the conditions for a viewpoint-based discrimination, while leaving political viewpoints unprotected.

So you can't have it both ways. If you can't fire somebody for being black or gay or Muslim or white or Jewish or whatever, you should not be able to fire somebody for being an outspoken conservative either.

We have to apply these standards, evenhandedly. And if you want to get rid of protected classes altogether, great. I'll have that conversation. But no Republican or anybody else is willing to.

So in the meantime, I think we need to bring civil rights into the 21st century, to protect political expression as a civil right.

GLENN: All right. Vivek, I love the fact that you're running. I -- I support anybody who is standing up for the Constitution. Standing up for the right of people. Standing up against the endless wars and the lies. And you just are just able to run for president, are you not?

Didn't you just have a birthday? What are you, 36? Thirty-seven?

VIVEK: Two years ago. Thirty-seven. Thirty-seven.

GLENN: Thirty-seven.

Yeah. That would be a shocking change from what we had traditionally. Since really Clinton. And I think he was in his 40s.

STU: I only want people above 100 years old to run for president. Yes, I think we should go the other direction. I'm sorry, Vivek.

GLENN: All right. Vivek Ramaswamy.

We'll talk to you again. Thank you so much.

You can find out more, at Vivek V-I-V-E-K2024.com. Vivek2024.com. V-I-V-E-K2024.com.

3 INFURIATING Reasons to REJECT the New Spending Bill

Republican leadership in the House of Representatives is trying to push through a “continuing resolution” bill right before Christmas. But this CR bill has grown so bloated that it’s practically an omnibus, which Speaker Mike Johnson promised he wouldn’t back. Yet here we are again … Glenn and fellow BlazeTV host‪@lizwheeler‬ review 3 of the worst things included in this bill – but just ONE of them should be enough to make every TRUE conservative in Congress vote AGAINST it. First, it includes a 1-year renewal of the Global Engagement Center, which is a State Department sub-agency that has become “the nexus of the censorship-industrial complex” against Americans. Then, there’s an expansion of the “Pandemic and All Hazards Preparedness and Response Act”, which would give the government the power to conduct gain-of-function research in the case of a national emergency. And lastly, it holds hurricane relief hostage. "Does that sound like you’re negotiating with honest people?" Glenn says. Maybe we should just let the government shutdown happen. Turn it off and back on again.

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GLENN: So Liz Wheeler is joining me. The Liz Wheeler show. You can watch it on YouTube or on Blaze TV.

She is fabulous. And really, really smart. And actually, a conservative. I know, because early this morning, we talked about the spending bill from Mike Johnson.

It -- what part of that do you like the most, Liz?

LIZ: I like the fact that in order to print all of those pages, we had to have American workers chopping down some trees. Which helps our industry.

There is nothing else positive about this bill.

Here what I would say to Republicans in the United States Congress. Who are there, of course. To represent us.

You don't have to post on X, telling us that you spent the whole night reading this.

Don't even bother. There is one thing in this bill that should an immediate disqualifier. You don't have to read another word after you realize that included, in this 1,547-page monstrosity, there is a one-year renewal of what's called the global engagement center. It's such -- it's such a vanilla sounding name, isn't it?

GLENN: Oh, yeah, and it's not! It is not. We talked about the global engagement center on this program, over and over again.

But I'll bet you most people, even in this audience. I'll bet, don't know how dangerous that is.

And the Republicans are giving it another year's worth of funding. What to do!

LIZ: It's unacceptable. It's unacceptable. The global engagement center is a subagency of the state department. And the purpose or the stated purpose, it was conceived in 2014, 2015, 2016. That's when it kind of came into being.

Was to combat disinformation. It's a narrative setting body. It's supposed to be a fact-checking organization for hostile foreign adversaries.

That's what they told us! Which is funny, Glenn. Because right at the time that they were saying, that they -- that they conceived of this global engagement centered to combat foreign disinformation. Not here in America, they said, just abroad.

Suddenly, everything that you and I say, has been labeled as, oh, that sounds an awful lot like Russian propaganda.

That sounds an awful lot like, you know, someone being a patsy for a foreign government.

And suddenly this global government agency was aimed at us.

It is the nexus of the censorship industrial complex. Which has obviously been used against President Trump.

But think of the Hunter Biden laptop story being censor odd Facebook and on Twitter of old. This global engagement center is behind that.

And the fact that any Republican in the United States Congress could look at this bill, see a one-year renewal for the global engagement center and think, oh, I should read the rest of this bill.

Mind-blown.

GLENN: You need to say no to this bill.

LIZ: Yeah.

GLENN: You need to call your House of Representatives and say, no, no, no.

That's not what we just voted for. No.

And we will primary every single one, that votes yes.

What are they going to do? They are going to shut the government down? First of all, they will not shut the welfare system down. They're not going to shut the military down.

No. Nothing that is critical, is going to be shut down. They should shut the government off.

With everything that we have learned and known. What good are they going to be up to, while we're all thinking about Christmas and New Year's?

Shut it off!

You know what, here's -- here's where I start with DOGE.

This is my beginning place.

Hey. Can you give me a list of everybody who raised their hand and said they were an essential employee for the government.

And has been showing up to work, all through the pandemic.

And beyond. Okay? Good. Give me that list.

Everyone else, you're nonessential, by your own definition, or your boss' definition, you're fired.

That's what it should be. You're not in an essential worker?

Than what the hell are you doing? What are you doing?

Why do we need you?

This government is so bloated. It is so rife with corruption. The best thing -- here -- I've said this for years.

Can we try unplugging it. And plugging it back in?

Reset to factory settings.

If we have these non-stop continuing resolutions. You know what that means?

It means, there is no budget.

LIZ: Right.

GLENN: They're not discussing the budget. They're not saying where you're going to spend -- none of that -- none of that happens.

They just keep saying, you know the budget we had?

I believe in 2008, was the last one we passed. Do you know, Liz?

LIZ: No. It's also a betrayal, by the way.

When you talk about the budget process, it's a betrayal on the part of Speaker Johnson.

Because he specifically promised not to do this. This happens every year. We get to Christmas.

Congress knows that we're busy, taking care of our families, enjoying the holiday.

And going to church.

And they try to cram all this poison through.

Speaker Johnson, you promised not to do this. You're betraying, not only your constituents.

But the entire American public. Give us one good reason, why we should not have a vote to vacate your chair?

Why should we not do that to you? Because you have betrayed everything you've promised.

GLENN: We will probably hear that from Chip Roy in about an hour. And Thomas Massie is just blood shooting from his eyes today.

This is everything Thomas Massie said would happen. Everything we have seen over and over again.

And I want to go back to the budget.

We haven't had a passed budget, since 2008.

What's happened to our deficit since 2008?

Why is it, your family has to live on a budget? Because if you got to the end of the year and went, you know what, I don't have money for taxes.

Oh, well.

I'll just get some from the Federal Reserve.

And I'll write them an IOU.

That wouldn't happen.

That only happens in the Biden family.

Okay. Doesn't happen to you.

You have to have a budget. Your company has to have a budget.

Here's the world's largest corporation, if you will.

Employs more people than any other thing in the entire world. The history of the world!

And we don't have a budget?

How is that possible?

LIZ: Modern monetary theory.

GLENN: Yep!

LIZ: From the Obama administration.

It's the chicken -- I mean, it's coming home to roost. This is what we said would happen. If you stop. If you stop acting like your money has value.

And instead, you just printed at will, you don't have to have any -- government officials.

Congress members, specifically, don't have to have any accountability to their voters.

Because they never have to answer for the question that voters would pose to them and say, well, you passed this bill, and you're spending my money in order to fund whatever your project is. Justify that to me.

But if the Congress members aren't appropriating money, via taxes. They're just printing it. There's no accountability. It is a blank check, for their pet projects.

GLENN: You keep asking, as an individual American.

Because I know, this is the way I feel. What -- where is -- where is Joe Biden finding -- oh, I will send another $900 million to Ukraine.

A week later. I'm going to send another $500 million. Where is the debate on that?

Because if that had to go through Congress, we wouldn't be approving all of those.

He's pulling from all kinds of different budgets. He's just pooling the money. Pull from here. Pull from here. Pull from here. And he's giving it, without any debate. No congressional approval. No budget ramifications.

No one is even saying anything about it. No one is saying, the president is out of control.

They're not even saying, he can't control his bladder or his bowels, anymore.

Let alone, control himself with spending.

And live within the definition of the presidency.

LIZ: Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing. It's a hostage situation happening right now.

Joe Biden can't tell the difference between a nickel and a dime. He's not in control of what's going on. I think you know that.

GLENN: You think?

Hang on. Hang on. Hang on.

You think, or you know?

LIZ: We know. Imagine a situation. Holding up a nickel and a dime. Joe, can you tell the difference?

I don't think so. Maybe he would be like, vote for ice cream, please.

GLENN: Yeah. And also, he's not the president. He's not making these decisions.

If he is -- this is the Wilson administration!

They are -- Wilson had a stroke. He was completely incapable of running anything the last year in office.

His wife was shoving the orders underneath his hand.

Putting her hand on top of his. And then signing his name. That's what's happening here. That's what's happening. There's -- he might be able to sign his own name. But I can guarantee you, he didn't -- he didn't approve 9,000 people. Who did?

Who approved all of those pardons? Who did?

Not him. Not him.

LIZ: We're going to look at those, the signature later. When someone gets a chance to scrutinize it, and we're going to find that it's signed by Corn Pop.

All right. Let me tell you something else that's in this bill.

GLENN: Okay.

LIZ: There's an expansion of the pandemic and all hazards, preparedness with and be response act.

GLENN: Oh.

LIZ: This act. Problematic from the name itself, perhaps.

We can anticipate what's in it.

It allows the government to declare a national emergency.

You know, in the case of another COVID-19-like virus.

Enforce vaccines on us. Vaccine passports on us.

Masking. All the COVID tyranny.

This expands it, and actually gives the government power to do it.

Again, there's a lot wrong with this bill.

If this isn't a deal breaker.

Why even call yourself a Republican?

GLENN: And I do want to remind you, this is a Republican bill. This is not the Democrats -- this is the House. This is the House's bill.

It only gets worse when it goes over to the Senate.

And they're putting it -- what additional powers on -- on declaring a national emergency does our president and government need?

Haven't they --

LIZ: Well, according to this bill, it would give them additional power to conduct gain of function research, of course, just defensively.

GLENN: Wait. Wait. Wait.

I'm sorry. I've got so much blood in my eyes right now. What did you just say?

LIZ: The pandemic and all hazards, preparedness and response act, if expanded, would give the government, in the case of the president declared an emergency, if there is another COVID-19. It would give them the power to conduct gain-of-function research.

GLENN: I -- I -- I wish this wasn't FCC regulated radio. I can't think of anything that's not obscene to say after that.

GLENN: You don't usually, like at this point, Christmas music will cheer me up.

But as a dad, I'm practically vomiting blood. My daughter is on the stage at the Grand Ole Opry. I was on the airplane, and just going true my music. And I started listening to Patsy Cline. I loved Patsy Cline. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, she's going to be standing on the same stage that Patsy Cline sang these songs from.

And that's happening tonight.

So tomorrow, I will be much more relaxed. And less scattered than I am today.

But that happens tonight. By the way, name of her album is Home for Christmas. You can there it wherever you get your music.

And thank you so much. Tonight, she's on with for King & Country.

She's doing a couple of songs before they come out. And for King & Country, if you've never seen them in concert. You need to see them.

They are fantastic!

Okay. So Chip Roy, just read something from Chip Roy. He said, we get this negotiated crap, and we're forced to eat this crap switch.

Why? Because freaking Christmas is right around the corner. It's the same dang thing every year.

Legislate by crisis! Legislate by calendar! Not legislate, because it's the right thing to do. I love Chip Roy.

I do. I do.

LIZ: He's my favorite member.

GLENN: Is he? I think he's mine too. Massie is pretty great.

LIZ: He is.

He predicted this, by the way, I think it was from -- it was early in September, Massey said, I will tell you exactly what the Republicans are going to do. This is before we even knew who was going to control the House. He predicted this to a T.

GLENN: Yeah. They always do this. They always do this.

And we always give in. Because they scare us.

Stop being scared by what the government is saying!

You should be afraid of the government, on what they're not telling you.

What they're doing behind the scenes.

When they say shut down the government, you really think our missiles won't fly if North Korea, you know, pushes the button.

Do you really think we can't scramble our jets.

Do you really think, that our budget -- that this little game that we play, every time people are going to starve?

No!

It's not going to happen. This -- what happens every single time, is they scare people. And they're like, well, we can't shut down the government.

We can't shut down -- yes, we can.

You will be surprised at how much we can take care of by ourself. How sweet ass your life becomes, when the government ain't showing up!

They're holding the -- the hurricane relief hostage in this bill.

Now, does that sound like you're negotiating with honest people?

With good people?

With people that actually care about you?

They're holding hurricane relief hostage?

Hmm. Congress, don't -- do not bitch at me.

Do not bitch at me.

Oh, we can't even read -- you don't have to.

Reject this bill. There's -- there's -- we just gave you three things in the bill.

You should be like, oh, well, that's ridiculous.

By the way, very few mentions of the border in this.

Okay?

Call your Congressmen.

Hey, we're not around the tree yet.

Tube this bill!

“for King + Country” REVEALS Mission Behind “A Drummer Boy Christmas LIVE" Tour & Movie

Christian band ‪@ForKingAndCountry‬ is now synonymous with the Christmas song "Little Drummer Boy." But it's hard to bring their incredible Christmas concert experience to everyone in America - let alone the world - when the Christmas season is so short. So this year, they've decided to create a virtual tour, called "A Drummer Boy Christmas LIVE | The Cinematic Concert Experience". Brothers Joel and Luke Smallbone join Glenn Beck to explain how the idea came about, how they pulled it off, and why Joel's wife described it to him as "better than your actual live show." Plus, they share the story of how they once worked for Glenn many years ago ...

"A Drummer Boy Christmas LIVE" is in select theaters through December 19th and is also available on DVD at https://www.ForKingAndCountry.com/

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Luke and Joel Smallbone, brothers, from the Smallbone family are with me by now.

Guys, how are you?

VOICE: Well, well, well, from the bowels of an arena in Kansas City, a month or so ago, to -- to your show today, and I want to give a spoiler to the listeners, but to the Grand Ole Opry in a couple of weeks.

GLENN: Yeah. I know. That's crazy. That's crazy.

I can't thank you guys enough for that.

It's nuts. Do you have any -- well, we'll get into it some other time on the air. Or off the air.

Tell me about the -- the film, that you guys have, out in -- in -- what do they call it?

It's not --

VOICE: Yeah, it's actually -- well, first of all, thanks for having us, and loved our time together.

GLENN: Yeah.

VOICE: It's in 1600 theaters across America. So here's the back story, Glenn. We love Christmas. We love Christmas.

It actually will become a hallmark of Luke and my band, for King & Country, particularly this song, the Little Drummer Boy.

We did sort of a very obvious version of it, with Bing Crosby or Frank Sinatra never thought of. And that is, we put loaded drums on a song, about a boy playing a drum.

And, I mean, all the TSA agents will come to me. And be like, we -- they would be like, you're part of King & Country. They would be like, you're the drummer boy, right? You know you've made it when an American TSA agent calls it. And but the trouble is, when we do these Christmas tours. You know, it's so short.

So we only did ten or 12 tours every year. So we end that when we announce it. Three-quarters of America and the rest of the world are all just really upset about it, because we can't get to them.

And so this was our attempt, you know, in a holiday, that I feel like we need to be reminded of these great hallmarks of what it means to be human joy and love and peace.

And the redemption that comes through God. We needed to be reminded of this.

So we put a film. We put it in a Toyota center, last year. And captured a cinematic experience for the whole family of our live show.

And my wife literally, Glenn. Turned to me. And he she was like, Joel, I think this is better than your actual live show.

So I was encouraged and insulted all at the same time.

GLENN: Right. I have to tell you, who is -- who is the artistic director of -- of the show?

VOICE: Well, this is Luke here. Well, this is one of the privileges of being able to do work. And I have brothers from the same mother. From the same father. And I have a privilege of working together. Is actually being able to, you know, being able to create these things together.

Our brother Daniel is actually the show designer.

We obviously, we work on this altogether.

So when it comes down to the set lists.

The visuals. The technology.

Yeah. We're involved with all of it.

Because we've actually done this since we were very young boys.

Rebecca saint James. We went on the road with her.

I think I was a lighting director at 14 or 15.

Joel was --

VOICE: That's a nice summary.

VOICE: So, you know, you throw this all together, and you create these shows.

And that's one of the things I love about what we get to do. We get to do it together.

GLENN: I have to tell you, it was -- it was awesome. It's one of the best shows I've seen. You know, I haven't seen the Christmas one, yet. I've heard, you know, the music.

I haven't seen the actual show.

But the -- the -- your music and the staging was -- I mean, I sat there with my wife.

And we were with a bunch of friends.

And I said, this is incredible!

And if you aren't a Christian, you would walk in here, and you would have really not necessarily any idea, if you hadn't really listened to the lyrics.

But you would feel what you're feeling. And it just is such a great experience.

VOICE: That's kind, man. Look, in our interpretation at least, the idea of being a Christian, of being a Jesus follower. It's an invitation, right?

And it's also a pretty enormous claim, that we are in touch with the creator of the universe.

That we're in touch with the creator of creativity. The creator of art. The creator of Sistine chapels. And so on.

And so often, in the modern context, our art feels like second fiddle to pop culture. And yet, you know this, as bit of a historian yourself.

Throughout history, the religious arts have led the way. And so, man, we take it so seriously.

Not for the sake of ego.

You know, at least -- not for the sake of -- not for the sake of self-aggrandizing. But for the sake of people looking at this and going, my goodness.

What a great God, that they must be in touch with, to put on, and to be inspired to do these types of things.

GLENN: So have you guys been tempted at all, to, you know. In the old days.

When you would go to a Christian concert, they would kind of preach at you. And, you know, try to convert.

And what I loved about it, is it was all there. But it was not in your face. It wasn't -- you weren't -- you weren't overtly saying, hey, come to Christ.

And so you -- nobody was. Nobody could possibly be offended. It was just such a great way to present the message.

And have people go, what makes them different. Have you been tempted to do -- be more obvious?

VOICE: Be more obvious. That's an interesting way of putting it. Look, I'm a big, well, I try to be a big historian.

And st. Francis at the CC, was the guy many, many years ago. He had a quote that as a young boy, really affected me.

And he says, preach the gospel. And if necessary, use word.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

VOICE: And look, I think that that statement should poke at a lot of us, as Christians.

Because our lives should be so unbelievably joyful.

Our work should be unbelievable good.

That sometimes, yeah. Sometimes words are required.

But I think that most of the time, they're not.

It's the presence that you bring, that oftentimes, people are left talking about.

So I think for us, man. We tried to take that -- take that statement literally.

You know, hopefully, you feel it.

GLENN: You do. You do.

VOICE: And you kind of know what's going on. That's our hope.

GLENN: So when I saw you in Kansas City.

I had forgotten that we -- I mean, I -- I know the name small bone, obviously.

I know your brother. He worked -- on one of my early book tours.

I've seen your movie of your family and everything else.

But I had forgotten that at one point, you two worked for me. You did a -- I have -- and you reminded me of that. And I'm like, what?

VOICE: What did you do, Luke? You were --

VOICE: Yeah. No. I'm a film director as well.

And I guess somehow we were working together, Glenn, because your team or somebody said, hey, why don't we do a day in the life of Glenn Beck?

And so we started at your house. And we like filmed you walking out. And then we filmed you, as you went to work that day.

But the funny part was, I was there to be like the sound and the audio guy. And before you came out of the door.

The loud mic, that was meant to go on to you. I dropped.

And literally broke it.

And so the rest of the day, I mean, for those of you who are listening. You see those guys are holding those massive mics above people's heads.

You get good audio.

Usually, that's the backup mic.

Well, that day, I made a mistake. So I am having to chase Glenn around all day with this massive mic.

Because I had broken the loud mic. So yes. We worked together, many, many years ago.

It's a small wall, but a crazy story.

GLENN: A crazy story, to look at where you are now. I mean, you're massive worldwide.

Congratulations.

VOICE: Thanks, man. You know this better than anyone. It's a team sport, right? This whole idea of being human. We're never meant to be an individual concept. We were meant to do this together.

And I think that's what King & Country represents, what these live shows represent.

It's collaboration. It's compromise.

It's, you know, creatively putting our minds together. And that's what the Christmas Live, you know, it really represents.

Is we took the same film crew from our movie, unsung heroes. It was released. Basically our parents' story. Our dad in the film, which I dubbed as a very expensive therapy session.

But we put the same -- we put them in that to capture this -- so what I love about this, this concert film.

And what we've gotten to do live, but also what we're getting to do cinematically now.

Is that we're getting to invite people, not only in America. But this film is going up to Canada.

It's going across to the UK. We're playing a few shows at the UK.

It's going down to Australia. It's going to New Zealand

This is the beauty. We know this with radio. Radio?

We're talking right now. There are thousands and thousands of people listening to this.

This is when art and technology come together. You're able to do something really cool.

GLENN: So we're talking to for King & Country. Their Drummer Boy Christmas live, will be available in select theaters, December 5th.

What day is it? Is that today? That's yesterday.

VOICE: Right now. Right now.

GLENN: Wow, through the 19th.

And if you've never seen them, I cannot explain how good they are.

They are really, really great. You want to get into the Christmas mood. I can guarantee, a good time. How do you get tickets?

VOICE: I think if you -- still, we can go to the local theater.

Phantom of -- kind of got all of the theaters. You know, I think if you use the ZIP code.

It would be able to direct you to the place, to kind of go see -- at your local theater.

GLENN: Great. For King&Country.com.

And you can follow them on Twitter. Four. The number four. King & Country.

God bless you, guys, we'll see you soon.
Thank you. Goodbye.

Will Justin Trudeau RESIGN Because of Trump’s Tariff Threat?

Rumor has it that Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will resign soon. Does this have anything to do with Donald Trump’s threat to hit Canada with heavy tariffs if it doesn’t get its border under control? Glenn speaks with ‪@RebelNewsOnline‬ founder Ezra Levant, who lays out why Canadians are DONE with Trudeau – in fact, he only has 11% approval according to a new poll! They also review the resignation of Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland, who was behind the financial attacks against the trucker protesters. Plus, Ezra gives his take on the possible next Prime Minister, conservative leader Pierre Poilievre.

Transcript

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GLENN: So I want to take you up to almost where Santa lives, in a place almost just as imaginative as Santa land. It's called Canada. Where Justin Trudeau has been just a military jacket away from being more like his dad in Cuba.

But it's falling apart in Canada. His finance minister, which is the number two position, walked out. He said, I -- you know, I want to do another role for you. And she said, the only viable thing is, if I leave, the cabinet. This is the woman who shut down all of the social media gift-giving services. And was freezing people's bank accounts during the trucker strike.

She's also the one that does all of the trade deals, between the United States and Canada.

Gee, I wonder what she's worried about.

Meanwhile, Justin Trudeau has just been giving away all kinds of monies.

He's got a sales tax holiday for Canadians, and sending checks to Canadians that need it.

Right now, during the Christmas season. And he's also a -- you know, some -- some other things that are -- people aren't real, real happy about.

Is his reign over?

Or is he going to be elected to a fourth term?

I made a prediction today. And I know nothing about Canada.

Today may be his last day.

It's that close!

GLENN: Hero, really, of the Canadian people.

Ezra Levant.

Hello, Ezra.

EZRA: Glenn, it's great to talk to you today.

I heard your introduction about Chrystia Freeland, Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister. She's much more than that. It would be like Dick Cheney was to George Bush Jr.

I mean, the everything fixer. Totally involved in all the files.

That was Chrystia Freeland. And she quit yesterday, and she timed her leaving to detonate the morning she was supposed to deliver a mini budget.

So that whole thing was thrown in -- you know, into a mess.

GLENN: And basically, didn't she say that because we're -- we're spending all of our money. And we have to stop, because we might get into a trade war with America.

EZRA: She did. And in her resignation letter.

Which she published. She accused Trudeau of being a narcissist. Of being in it for himself. She didn't use the word narcissist. But she said, we have to think about more than just ourselves. We have to think about the country.

She accused him of, quote, political gimmicks.

And the thing is, she was his right-hand woman since the very beginning.

And I want to tell you one more thing about Christie free LAN.

She's on the board of trustees. Of the World Economic Forum.

And what was her job right before she became a member of parliament to join Trudeau?

You're not going to believe me.

She was the authorized biographer, of George Soros.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

EZRA: So the deputy prime minister and finance minister -- but really, the everything minister of Canada. She was like I say, like Dick Cheney to George Bush. She was the right-hand man on every file.

GLENN: So was she more of the architect of this, or is Trudeau capable of doing it?

What I'm asking, is Trudeau more of a Biden, and she's more of an Obama?

Or is it Dick Cheney and George W. Bush?

EZRA: Trudeau loves the sizzle of being Prime Minister. He loves the adulation.

It's hard to come by. So, for instance, he went to the recent Taylor Swift concert and he exchanged friendship bracelets with teenage girls. That's his marketplace.

Everyone else shouts at him.

GLENN: Wow.

EZRA: So he -- he was never a policy guy.

He would leave that to the grownups.

And Chrystia Freeland and George Soros would fill that void. And I'm not just saying George Soros as a throwaway line.

A few years ago, Canada signed a contract with the Open Societies Foundation to draft our refugee policy.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh!

EZRA: So this is not a rumor.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

EZRA: He literally outsourced -- so Chrystia Freeland departing is an enormous blow.

But, look, Canadians are -- can hardly wait to get rid of Trudeau. I don't want to sound overconfident. But the conservative opposition leadership. His name is Pierre Poilievre. He's excellent.

He's -- he's way out ahead in the polls.
Remember, we have a multi-party system. So there's about five parties in parliament.

The conservatives are at 43. Now, I know that may sound low in an American party system.

When you've got five parties, 43 percent means you will have a massive victory. And last night, after Chrystia Freeland detonated Trudeau and quit, there was a pollster that went into the field immediately. And his results are just being posted. Only 11 percent of Canadians approve of Trudeau, 11 percent. It's going to be a massacre.

Last factoid.

GLENN: This is happy news. This is really happy news.

EZRA: It is good news.

While everyone was focused on the intrigues in Ottawa, there was a special election in the province of British Columbia, from one of these members of parliament. And the conservatives, led by Pierre Poilievre.

Got 66 percent in the local district.

GLENN: In Vancouver BC?

EZRA: In the -- not in Vancouver proper, but nearby.

So in BC, which is sort of like Washington States, it's a little bit hippie.

GLENN: A little bit?

EZRA: Yeah.

Glenn, I have to tell you, people of every background, according to the pollsters, men and women. Young and old, and minorities. They all want Trudeau gone, which is so interesting.

Because he came to power, as the woke guy, who --

GLENN: Oh, yeah.

EZRA: You know, I'm a male feminist. He said. Et cetera.

Canadians are finally done with it. We just need that moment where we get to go to vote.

STU: Ezra, I hate to simplify your country's politics this way. Glenn, with the apple guy.

The member of the viral video, where he was just sitting and answering questions. That's the guy.

GLENN: I love that guy.

STU: Yes. I think everybody in America who saw that video loves this guy.

GLENN: Oh, I love that guy.

EZRA: That apple eating thing, give me 30 seconds on that. You know, he was answering questions from a left-wing journalist, while casually eating an apple.

GLENN: I loved it.

EZRA: Whenever the journalists would say, well, people say you're like Trump. And he would say, what people?

And what did they say?

And he just did this a bunch of times. Proving that the journalist was just, you know, taking cheap shots.

And when he said people say, he was just saying, I say.

It was masterful.

And why -- there was no real policy talked about.

The reason that was important, Glenn. Is because it shows the pure -- it has a Trump-like disdain for journalism.

Why is that important?

Because too many Canadian conservatives are so worried about what the media will say about them, they respond to the pure pressure of journalism.

They want to give an answer that the journalist wants. Poilievre is not afraid to look at our version of CNN in the eyes.

And say, you know, I -- and attack them. And insult them, and poke back.

So I know, if he's elected Prime Minister. That he will be largely immune, to the mean girls club. Or the media party.

GLENN: And that's saying something.

Because you have the CBC. That's like our PBS. Except, that's the main -- I mean, they control the -- they are the CNN. NBC. ABC. They're everything up there.

EZRA: They're larger than all other media combined. Our state broadcaster has more journalists than every other media company combined. You can imagine how that really could distort the national conversation.

Plus, a lot of Canadians get their info through social media. Which is why Trudeau's introduced legislation that would criminalize, including with a life in prison. There's a -- Trudeau has introduced a bill.

Called C63.

That has a life in prison component. For, quote, hate crimes.

Including hate speech.

That's one of the reasons Jordan Peterson cited for moving into America.

This bill C63.

And we will fight that bill, if it becomes law.

The way things are looking. I think Trudeau may not last long enough to make it into law.

GLENN: So what happened?

I mean, parliamentary systems are so weird. You can call it an election at any time.

Which is kind of weird.

But does he have to call for one. Or does he have to step down?

Can there be a vote of no confidence?

What happens next?

VOICE: Well, he only has a minority in our parliament. He's propped up by a hardcore Socialist Party, called the MVP. The new Democrats.

GLENN: Right.

And didn't they just come out and pretty much say, we're done with you?

VOICE: No, it's trickier. They said, we demand Trudeau resign!

And then when they said, will you vote nonconfidence with him?

They refused to. They lining to pretend they're against Trudeau. They have never -- so if -- Trudeau is the master of his own destiny. As long as no one has the courage to push him out.

And if there was a non-confidence vote, he could be thrown out, and an election would be forced.

But I don't think his critics have the courage to do that. I don't think they have the numbers. And look, these polls are so awful, Glenn.

A lot of the liberals who are sick of Trudeau, and worried he's painting things.

They know they will lose, whether the election is now or in six months.

So why not drag it out for six more months?

Get paid. Enjoy their power. Run things a little longer. If you're a liberal MP and you know you will lose the next election, why wouldn't you at least stretch it out, three, six, nine months, to get as much from the -- from your job as possible. Get as much money, power, influence. I think the liberals will be smashed, but Trudeau will probably -- listen. He is stubborn. And he is a fighter.

I've never seen him apologize. I've never seen him quit.

He has a lot of flaws.

But tenacity is not one of them.

GLENN: How much of a role did the election of Donald Trump play in this?

Are you guys just -- right just behind us on what's happening here in America?

ANN: That's such a great question.

In a way, a Trump tweet started the dominoes falling.

GLENN: I knew it. I knew it.

ANN: About a month ago. About a month ago, Trump tweeted, 25 percent tariffs on Mexico and Canada. If they don't seal their borders.

Stop the illegal drugs. Stop the illegal immigrants.

So it was -- and Mexico immediately got on the phone.

GLENN: Yeah. Hang on just a second.

Why did -- why does Canada have such a hard time with that?

Just, we need to you enforce your laws.

That's all we need!

EZRA: And Pierre Poilievre, the conservative thing said, look, I don't want to do those things because Donald Trump tells me to. I want to do those things because it's in Canadian interest.

And Trump is worried about fentanyl coming through Canada into the states.

Well, Canadians should be worried about that too. In fact, we are.

We have had a huge crime wave under Trudeau. So the smart, grown-up answer is okay. Trump is asking sort of roughly, like he's being a little bit -- he's got that.

GLENN: Yeah. He's Donald Trump.

ANN: He's walking softly, but carrying a big stick. Deal with him.

He's not asking Canadians for anything that we don't want.

Just do it.

But instead, one more thing at you, Glenn.

Here's my theory of why Trudeau is fighting.

As I mentioned. Trudeau is so low in the polls.

And this conservative leader is so high.

But what if Trudeau could flip it. And instead of running against Pierre Poilievre, the conservative leader. What if Trudeau would say, I'm running against Trump?

Because Trump is not that popular in Canada. Because the media has bashed him for two years.

GLENN: He needed that too.

EZRA: What if Trump -- it's even worse up here. It's even worse up here.

GLENN: Yeah, I know.

EZRA: But one more move, what if Trump actually implements the tariff on Canada. It hurts our economy.

So now Trudeau can say, this terrible economy is not my fault. It's trump's fault.

Vote for me, if you want to stand up to Trump. Vote for me if you don't like Trump. Vote for me.

GLENN: That's great strategy!

EZRA: I think Trudeau is willing to sacrifice Canada's economy, for this desperate chance to run and win again. That's my theory at least.

GLENN: You know what, to me, that makes sense.

And, you know what, honestly, to understand Donald Trump, you have to understand, he never -- when he's negotiating.

He never threatens.

He's never threatening.

He just makes promises.

If you do this, I'll do that.

If you do this, I'll do that.

And he will!

He will!

So he's not threatening. Just making promises.

EZRA: Well, and why wouldn't Canada say, all right. You've got our attention.

We agree, you've got a border problem.

By the way, it goes both ways. When Trump will deport a large amount of illegal migrants.

Some of them will say, oh, we better come into Canada because there's such a soft touch.

So we -- we have an interest in having a strong border. Because we don't want all the folks Trump is going to deport, including those who committed crimes.

GLENN: Correct, and those who will self-deport. Self-deport.

Yeah. All those Haitians, they are going to want to go to Montreal, a French-speaking city, rather than go back to Haiti. Wouldn't you?

We need a strong border, also.

Trudeau would rather fight with Trump, for the media kudos and then actually fix a problem. It's his last desperate chance.

But, you know what, I hope Canada comes back, and the Trump revolution. It's not just a political and economic one.

It's a freedom revolution.

Free speech. Elon Musk.

RFK Jr. Basically, rebuking the COVID mentality.

Hopefully some of that freedom will slosh into the border into us, Glenn.

GLENN: Yeah. One last thing. And we both have to run.

You have one in every 20 persons, now. Selecting suicide.

And more women are electing for euthanasia. Than -- than men are.

I mean, this is getting way out of control, euthanasia in Canada. Isn't it?

EZRA: And our Veterans Affairs department is suggest euthanasia for soldiers who have PTSD. If you say you're depressed, they will literally use that as a reason to give -- they call it MAID. Medical Assistance In Dying.

It's the new word for euthanasia. Canada is now ahead of the Netherlands for this.

Partly it's socialized medicine. Because if you kill someone, they won't cost 100 grand a year on intensive care. Part of it is also the war on the concept of life.

Trudeau is an absolutist for abortion. And this is an extension of sort of what eugenics approach.

It's dark days for those who value life in Canada, Glenn.

GLENN: I hope your theory is absolutely wrong.

But I've watched you long enough to know. Your theory is probably right.

I hope you're wrong though.

Thank you so much, Ezra.

EZRA: Thanks, Glenn. Buh-bye.

Biden Should be ASHAMED of These Pardons & Clemency Grants

President Biden has pardoned or granted clemency to TONS of people, including some controversial prisoners. Glenn and Stu review some of the worst, including a woman who stole $54 million from her small town and the “kids-for-cash” judge, who sent kids to a for-profit juvenile detention center in exchange for $2 million. Glenn and Stu also discuss the latest update in the Duke lacrosse case, where the woman who originally accused 3 players admitted to making the whole thing up. But has she found God since then?

Transcript

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GLENN: You know, I have to -- I have to bring up the pardon thing. Because I -- I -- I don't -- what!

Apparently, Biden now has pardoned nine thousand people.

Like George Bush did 500.

And -- over eight years!

9,000 people. The only one close is Jimmy Carter, because he did 12,000 people, that had to go to Canada because they tried to avoid the Vietnam War.

So he just did a blanket pardon of 12,000 people.

This is 9,000 individuals.

STU: Yeah. Some of them work sort of in that blanket.

He did 1500 in one day. Which is the most that ever happened in that take.

There were more blanket. Here's a class of criminal.

In a certain situation.

But like, some of the specifics are really bizarre. Right?

This woman who built this town.

GLENN: Yeah. So there's a town, Dickson, Illinois, and it's a small town.

And this woman worked for the town, and she had opened up an account. And she was transferring money into her account.

And people are like, where is all the money going?

54 million dollars. Okay?

She -- I love the list of what she bought.

She bought like 400 horses.

And then like 80 acres of land.

Chuck have 400 horses on 80 acres of land.

STU: You can't. Why is that?

GLENN: Well, that's a lot of horses.

STU: As a person who grew up in New York.

Why is that a problem?

GLENN:

GLENN: That's not even grass!

STU: Not enough grass!

GLENN: You would to have year around, be feeding the horses.

STU: How much grass are these things eating? Calm down. Calm down.

Jeez. It's grass.

GLENN: Anyways, she bought, let's see, 400 horses, 48 trucks, luxury motor home. Classic cars. A boat. 80 acres of land.

Jewelry, personal credit cards. Business expenses. Furnishing for at least three homes.

Including a Florida vacation home.

STU: You would think, at some point, a small home. They would have caught this earlier.

GLENN: You have a new collection. And you work, what?

Where?

So, anyway, she goes on vacation, and the city is like, let's check her bank records. Her bank account. And so they get the warrant. They check her bank.

They arrest her.

She's 20 years.

She served four or five years of her time.

And she's like, I'm getting really old and sick.

And she's not that old.

And so the judge says, okay.

And this set the town on fire.

The judge said, okay.

Home arrest. Ankle bracelet. You cannot leave your home. Okay. If you're sick, and you're worried that your family will not see you and whatever, fine!

STU: Okay.

GLENN: That wasn't good enough for whoever is putting this one in front of Joe Biden?

He just said, you're not -- why?

STU: Yeah, why?

GLENN: Who suggested this one?

STU: Somebody.

It wasn't just a random -- like, he was just perusing the internet. Came across this story.

This person, who brought 400 horses for 80. 400 horses for 80 acres.

80 acres which, by the way, is too many horses on that many acres. I could be wrong, horse people. I could be wrong. Horse cows can't do it.

Horse people. They are horse people. They have the head and hands of horses. The rest of them are human. It's weird.

STU: Really? Oh, my God. I would say that's horrific, but that would be hateful. We shouldn't judge other people's cultures.

GLENN: They are just like people. They need people food, but they don't have fingers or thumbs.

STU: So they just eat grass.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: I -- this isn't a random thing.

The way a lot of this works is somebody, who is tied to the administration.

GLENN: Okay. May I --

STU: Somebody who -- right.

Has a connection, or a person who has a connection to somebody else.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Gets message to somebody in the administration.

Hey. I like this person, I don't think they're that bad.

You should let them out.

GLENN: And that's -- that's not the way it -- let me just -- I'll tell you a story. I've never told on the air before.

There's a guy I know, who I think, it was caught up in something that he -- he didn't do.

Everything that I see, looks like he's been falsely accused. And it's just destroyed his life for many, many years.

And they -- they haven't sentenced him.

And he's like, waiting for the shoe to drop for like, at that time, two years.

That was four years ago.

And so his attorney called me, and he said, you know the president.

And I went through the case, and everything. And I thought, I think -- I think he's actually innocent.

So I called the president. Right after the new year. And I said, Mr. President, may I pitch you on a name?

We've already sent it to your vetters, so they're looking at it.

I just want to tell you -- got the shaft.

STU: You made a personal plea.

GLENN: I made a personal plea.

And we talked about it for a while.
And he said, okay. I would love to do that, but I have to look at the case.

I haven't heard of this case. I said, I understand. I want to put my name -- just put it on your radar. They looked at it. They disagreed. He wasn't pardoned.

But that's the way it happens.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: Okay? Some lawyer gets information, to the White House.

And that lawyer knows somebody who knows somebody in the White House.

And they call and say, 9,000 pardons?

9,000. First of all, President Trump -- President Biden has no idea. There's no way you can go through 9,000.

How many lawyers at the White House, do they have, going over these cases, for 9,000 reversals?

STU: Right. They're just saying, likely, allegedly. Just saying yes to everybody who is asking --

GLENN: Why would you let this person go?

STU: It seems like a terrible one.

Someone who bilked the public for millions and millions and millions of dollars.

GLENN: Fifty-four millions dollars. That's a lot of money for say small town.

They had to cut services.

Okay. What about the one with the judge. Listen to this one.

STU: This is a story of a judge, long story short, basically was accused. And convicted of going through, taking people, and intentionally sentencing young people, juveniles, and young people.

From getting -- if I'm remembering all the details of this story correctly.

To prisons, in conjunction to someone who was running the prison.

And, of course, the --

GLENN: The prison makes money.

STU: It's a for-profit prison.

GLENN: The prison makes money, if they get more prisoners.

STU: Right. So they were sentencing people for prison time.

To line their pockets. And associate's pockets.

GLENN: That person, honestly. That's one of the worst crimes.

To me, that's up there with murder.

STU: I will say, I have seen some legitimate anger from the left on that in particular.

GLENN: That should be. That should be.

That's an assault on not just our laws.

That's not money.

That is putting -- that's taking somebody's liberty. And really, you live with that for the rest of your life. Your life!

For money?

The judge is doing that?

That person should never get out of prison. At least early!

I think that is one of the worst crimes I've heard.

STU: It's -- it's a really rough run.

You're talking about the lives of young people. Who might be able to turn their lives around. And who knows?

GLENN: Look at the story that came out, when was this?
Friday or Thursday of last week.

The girl who said, oh, by the way, the Duke lacrosse team. I did make that up.

Now. She didn't say it that way.

That's the way I heard it.

And I was outraged.

This person is should number jail. Well, she's already in jail. She murdered somebody. She's already in jail.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: But it looks like she's had a deep spiritual change in her.

Now, that doesn't mean, I'm going to say, you know what, let's forget the prison thing on the murder!

No.

STU: No.

GLENN: But she looks like she had a deep Jesus moment.

And she was clearing this up!

I think that is absolutely incredible, because the three boys that were charged, and everyone in the Duke lacrosse team, was smeared. But imagine being one of those three that were named.

Trying to get a job.

STU: Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah. Horrible.

I had -- you mentioned, Glenn. I have a friend of a friend. Who is on the Duke lacrosse team. Was on that Duke lacrosse team.

Not one of the kids who was actually -- not even at the party. Not even at the party.

Were they not accused of doing anything wrong at the party.

But weren't at the party.

And the second they would get -- they would turn in a resume with someone. With duke and lacrosse on it. In that time period. They would just not get call backs from prospective employers.

Because of this.

And some of them would tell them. I can't hire somebody from the duke freaking lacrosse team.

Which is -- it's somewhat understandable, from an employer's perspective.

You would really have to be sure. Now, in that case, they should have been sure, because he wasn't even at the party.

Still, this was an awful slander beyond slander.

Of course, they wound up winning challenges.

GLENN: Yeah. But remember -- remember the name Nifong.

STU: Yeah. He was -- he stuck to it, even after.

GLENN: Oh, he was like, these guys are criminals, blah, blah, blah.

He just going and going and going. Said that it was, you know, racist. The entire team was racist. The school was racist.

I mean, somebody should pay a price for this.

You destroyed lives.

STU: If you remember the story, it was a stripper who went to a party.

And claims she was raped. Right?

GLENN: Right. But there was no DNA evidence. She was drunk and on drugs.

She left the party early.

Everyone she said was actually there, wasn't there.

STU: Many of them weren't.

Yeah. There's all sorts of problems. The case fell apart. There was a big scandal. She never came out and said, by the way, I was totally lying about that.

In the interim, she murdered her boyfriend with the kitchen knife.

GLENN: That happens. That happens to all of us.

STU: Went to prison. And has had what she claims is a -- is a transformation. I want to play this video for you. It's about a minute and a half long.

Glenn, do you buy this?

Does it seem real to you?

VOICE: The Bible says that you shouldn't do harm to your neighbor that lives trustingly beside you, and they were my brothers. And they trusted me that I wouldn't betray their trust.

And I testified falsely against them, by saying that they raped me, when they didn't.

And that was wrong.

And I betrayed the trust of a lot of other people, who believed in me.

And made up a story, that wasn't true. Because I wanted validation from people. And not from God.
And that was wrong. When God already loved me for who I was, regardless.

I didn't need to seek validation from him. Because I already have validation from him. I just didn't know it.

And I hurt my brothers.

And I hope that they can forgive me, and I want them to know that I love them.

And they didn't deserve it. And I hope that they can forgive me.

And the -- I hope that they can heal and trust God.

And know that God loves them. And the -- God is loving them, through me. Letting them know, that they're valuable, and that they didn't deserve that.

GLENN: Hmm.

STU: I think it's pretty interesting.

Now, it should be noted. She's got nothing to gain as far as getting out of prison. She murdered someone.

So she's not like on the verge of getting out. And this will help her.

This is --

GLENN: Well, it will help her eventually.

STU: It could.

GLENN: It could. Just admitting, you know, that you did it, and it was wrong. Is a big deal.

STU: Sure.

GLENN: She's not reacting the way I would have.

But, you know, I blubber all the time.

If I had done that. It would have been more emotional. But she may -- you know, it may not be the way she reacts.

STU: I will say, she initiated this happening. Right?

She called a reporter to come to do this.

GLENN: To talk about that.

STU: To talk about this. So, you know, she had it planned for a while. It wasn't off the top of her head.

GLENN: Okay. Yeah. That makes a difference.

I want to believe her.

I want to believe her.

God only knows, but I want to believe her.