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Use THIS triangle to correctly interpret EVERY Biden gaffe

Stu tells Glenn he has the perfect code to interpret every single Joe Biden gaffe: The ‘triangle of emotions’ that helps decide if a Biden misstep was either scary, sad, or funny. Plus, the guys discuss how President Trump was able to SUCCESSFULLY say crazy things — especially to foreign dictators — while in the White House…

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GLENN: There was a lot going on yesterday. I mean, not a lot going on, with Joe Biden. Could we play Joe Biden's stumble yesterday, during his speech on Ukraine.

BIDEN: That will enhance our underlying effort, to accommodate, the Russian oligarchs. And make sure we take their ill-begotten gains. We're going to accommodate them.

STU: Accommodate twice.

BIDEN: We'll seize their yachts, their luxury homes, and other ill-begotten gains.

STU: Ill-begotten gains twice.

BIDEN: Yeah.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

BIDEN: Kleptocracy. The guys who are the kleptocracy.

GLENN: They're not kleptocracy.

BIDEN: But these are bad guys.

GLENN: They're not kleptocracies. They are kleptocrats.

STU: No. He's talking about the guys that are the kleptocracies.

GLENN: No. That's a different thing. Okay. All right.

But he also said, ill-begotten. It's ill-begotten. It's ill-gotten goods. Ill-begotten.

STU: It's so funny. There are so many of these things.

GLENN: And my only ill-begotten son. No, it's not it. It's not it. And then accommodation. We're going to accommodate them.

STU: Why are we accommodating the oligarchs? We thought they were bad. Are they saying, America, please take my yacht?

Okay. We'll accommodate.

STU: We'll accommodate. Yes.

GLENN: I mean, that is just -- it's sad. It is really sad. And remember, this is in a speech, that supposedly is directed to Americans. But it's directed right to Putin!

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: He's asking for $33 billion, in additional funding. And we're going to get tough on these kleptocracy people. This is so sad. Do you think anyone in Russia is like, oh, yeah. He's on the ball. Don't underestimate this guy.

STU: No. I don't think anyone in Russia is -- I think this emboldens Russia. Right?

They look at this, and they say, well, this guy. We're really going to be scared of this guy. I really do think that is a major problem we're dealing with right now.

And I -- watching all these gaffes every day. I had to come up with a way to mentally categorize them. So we came up with the Joe Biden triangle of -- of gaffe -- the gaffe triangle of emotions. I can't remember.

GLENN: All right. It's a triangle. It's a triangle.

STU: So you have at the top, you have a scary.

GLENN: Scary, okay.

STU: Because sometimes you watch -- this is scary. You could be in World War III tomorrow. Sometimes, the bottom -- the bottom right is -- is sad.

GLENN: Sad?

STU: Right. Because sometimes you watch Joe Biden. God, this is so bad. Look at this poor guy. Then the bottom left of the poor triangle is funny.

Sometimes you watch Joe Biden's gaffe. And you're like, this is hilarious.

GLENN: Occasionally, you'll get all three.

STU: Yeah. Right in the center of the triangle would be all three. You'll both think it's funny, scary, and sad, all at the same time. In equal portions.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: But most of them, I've noticed, usually lean one way or another.

Like, that one is not funny at all. I don't find that to be funny at all. I find it to be sad and scary.

GLENN: Yeah. And I think equal parts. I think that line becomes -- between sad and scary. It becomes the scales of justice.

STU: Right.

GLENN: It is equally as sad. Because you look at it, and you say, oh, my gosh. I feel so bad. Why is his family doing this?

This is so bad. And then you're like be, yeah. But the Russians are watching this. This could get us all killed. This is terrifying.

STU: Right. It really is.

Just absolutely bizarre circumstance. Because look, we've had presidents, that have given us funny material before. Right?

Saturday Night Live. Back in the day with Gerald Ford, who didn't fall a lot.

GLENN: George W. Bush. Let me just look at -- that was great stuff.

STU: Bill Clinton. Who would come on all the time, and do creepy things. And was funny. And Donald Trump had plenty of funny moments in the presidency.

GLENN: He was hysterical.

STU: This is totally in a different world.

GLENN: And, you know what. You know what, Donald Trump was both hysterical. There's only a straight line. Hysterical.

STU: Yeah. Right.

GLENN: You know what I mean?

Those are the polar opposites. There were times -- and you would -- like when it was with North Korea. You were like, that's funny. He's calling him, you know -- you know, the fat short guy. That's kind of funny.

Although, that could lead to us being vaporized. You know what I mean?

But on that scale, he knew where he was. I think.

STU: That's the biggest difference, I think, between Trump. Because Trump said things that were at times --

GLENN: Scary as hell.

STU: Scary as hell. Going after -- I mean, he says, himself, he says, when he had the situation with Russia. And there were problems with Ukraine. He told them, he was going to bomb Moscow. This is what Donald Trump says he told Vladimir Putin.

GLENN: Yeah, now, I think he told me about Mao. Or not Mao. Or Xi.

Yeah. He said, you know, if you take Taiwan, I take Beijing.

STU: Right. And, again, like, you could look at that and say, holy crap. That could enter us into a conflict, we do not want a part of.

On the other hand, Donald Trump had a way about him, which he was doing these things intentionally. And he thought he had a way. And it seemed to be true. To deal with these foreign dictators. That had a bizarre mindset that the average American doesn't understand.

GLENN: And it's because I think, he did business in New York.

STU: And around the world.

GLENN: Yeah. Do you remember watching the Trump buildings go up in New York in and they would be done before you finished a sandwich. And you were like, how did that happen? Everybody else, it will be done in seven and a half of years.

Literally, in five years, built I think it was five massive skyscrapers. Changed the highway. And had it run under his skyscrapers. And built a park there as well. He got all of that done. Okay?

And you're going, this guy has got to be the shadiest. How does he get that done? Who does he have to pay off? Who is at the bottom of the river with concrete shoes? How do you get that done?

Now we know. It's because people believe, he's just crazy enough to do it. And he's not doing anything illegal. This guy has been investigated by every global intelligence agency.

And you haven't found anything on this guy?

STU: Oh, there's such a sad story in the New York Times about this.

GLENN: Is it in the triangle? Is it scary sad? Funny.

STU: This would be in the sad part. But also sort of funny.

This is the headline. Likelihood of Trump indictment in Manhattan fades as grand jury wraps up. The investigation continues, but new science have emerged that charges against former President Trump are unlikely to occur in the foreseeable future, if ever.

It sounds like they're going to cry. Like, what if this guy just didn't do anything? Is that something that you would maybe, I don't know, consider. Maybe he wouldn't commit a crime. Which is why he's not going to be indicted.

I have to tell you -- and I told him this, to his face. There's no way, Don. No way you build those buildings fast, and get that done. Without at least a payoff to the mob. It's New York for the love of Pete. You can't have a slice of pizza, without, hey, I think a little bit needs to go to Vito, you know what I'm saying?

And there's nothing. There's nothing.

STU: Right. Well, it's funny, he has a bizarre combination, which I think is jarring to people at times. Of real aggressiveness and sometimes anger, and I'm going to do whatever I want, and you're not going to stop me, and the opposite.

Like, remember, part of the Kim Jong-un story is him calling him his friend. And saying, like, and taking this guy, who was an absolute, you know, hermit, and embracing it. Right?

It wasn't just, it started with, I'm going to make you explode. And then turn into, this guy is a great guy. We hang out all the time. And like, neither one of those is the right thing for the average person to say.

GLENN: Correct. For I think Donald Trump too.

STU: Yeah. But I think he knows. He is -- he is intentionally playing these fringes as a negotiating tactic. And has been doing it since his real estate days. He utilized it often through great effect through his presidency. So while at times, he says things that makes people feel uncomfortable. We all know, he's doing it on purpose.

GLENN: But see, here's the thing. Here's the honest to about to do truth.

He is the prime example of something that I have tried to live my life by.

Because somebody, when I was young, gave me this axiom in business. And I absolutely believe it to be true.

And it's easy for me to do now. And, you know, since -- since I stopped drinking. It's very easy. Don't make threats. Make promises.

So when you're negotiating for something, yeah. It's going to be this. Or I'm not going to do it.

Well, okay. Well, let's do this and this. Well, it's that, or I'm not going to do it.

STU: And be okay with walking away. If they say no, you walk away.

GLENN: And you just make people promises. Look, you do this, and I'll do that. And that's just the way it is. And no hard feelings. And people don't know how to react to that. Because you get this reputation. I believe I have the same kind of reputation in business. Where they're like, that son of a bitch. Might be crazy enough just to do that. Right?

STU: Yeah. Oh, yeah. We play that all the time.

GLENN: He's just -- and that's such an advantage. Donald Trump is the prime example of that.

Where he will just say to people. And this is why he built the Trump Tower. And I've told the story. But it's one of my stories of all the time. Let alone the best Donald Trump story.

Donald Trump goes in. You have to buy the air rights. Not just the land in Manhattan. You have to buy up, as well. And if you own a building and you have a lot of money, you can not only buy up above your building. But you can buy across.

So you can buy the air rights over other buildings, as well.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: So Tiffany's, been there forever, has lots of money. They wanted to make sure that fifth avenue, did not have these big skyscrapers. So they bought all of the air rights. Donald Trump buys this space. This whole decrepit building.

On the next block. And he doesn't have the air rights. And he tells his architect. Build the most beautiful, wonderful, spacious, golden building, you can possibly.

Okay? So he's working on that. And he says, oh, I've got a meeting next week.

I want you to draw a four-story monstrosity.

I mean, the ugliest thing you can possibly imagine.

STU: Is this Donald Trump with a cold? What is this --

GLENN: Don't you always notice that? His nose is a little plugged up sometimes. But anyway, so he's -- he goes to Tiffany's. Presents, this is a beautiful building. It's great.

You'll love it. And Tiffany's says, yeah. It's beautiful. But we own the air rights. And we don't want big buildings here. I knew you would say that. Rolls the other one out. I just will make him profits.

If you don't, I will build this monstrosity.

And he had the deal. He left them. He had the deal by the time he got back to the office.

STU: So he told them he was going to make an ugly building, which ruin their beautiful neighborhood. And instead, they were like, okay. Build the tall skyscraper.

GLENN: Build the tall one. And the reason why they did it, is because they thought, he just might do it.

STU: He might do it.

GLENN: And the same thing with Beijing.

You tell President Xi that, he laughs.

Okay? At first, Xi laughed at that. And Donald Trump just looked at him. No. I'm serious.

Now, where weather he was or not, I don't know.

But neither did the president of China. The -- I can guarantee you, at that moment, the president of China went, son of a bitch just might do that.

You know what I mean?

STU: Let's not screw around.

GLENN: Right. But how are we treating Putin?

STU: He looks at this, and says, well, look what just happened in Afghanistan.

This guy, just the wild swings of energy, with Joe Biden. Where sometimes he's out there, and he looks kind of normal. And he's speaking normally. And other times, it's a kleptocracy clip. Where it looks like, he might in the middle of the word, fall asleep. He looks like seriously, he may just keel over and take a nap during a word.

GLENN: You know, they were jacking John F. Kennedy during the missile crisis. They were screwing with his balance.

STU: You're saying medically?

GLENN: Medically. Because they were in so much pain. He needed so much steroids. They needed painkillers. They were injecting them during the Cuban Missile Crisis. And Jackie O had to actually come out and say, no. It's nothing. It's allergies. It's allergies, that's really causing this. No, it was the steroids. And he was flying off the handle. You know, you get very aggressive.

Is this a steroid thing, or is this the president talking?

You know. Because they've done this to so many presidents. You know they've got to be jacked -- B12. Yeah. Right. They're just giving him B12. I can guarantee you, give him something. Or give me something. To get me going. Charge my system. Go. Inject me with whatever is legal, to get me -- to get me going. Because that's the only thing that can understand. How does he go from -- he seems to be functioning, to this is a frail, old man that could break a hip, just standing there.

GLENN: And we know it's legal. Because where would he have access to illegal drugs. It's not like he has one in the family --

GLENN: Amen.

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AI gold rush: Is the next market disaster on the horizon?

The AI revolution promises to change everything, but what if it’s leading us straight into another financial collapse? Glenn Beck and economist Peter Atwater break down the eerie parallels between today’s AI boom and the 2008 housing crash, revealing how speculative hype, overvalued tech giants, and circular corporate investments are inflating a dangerous bubble. Could this “AI gold rush” be the next market disaster waiting to happen?

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GLENN: Is it not a bubble?

I don't know. Are we close to AGI or not close to AGI.

Again, I don't know.

Is it to change things? Yes. I saw a story in our show prep today. I'm not going to get a chance to get it. It's about other countries that are building these giant server farms. Their electricity and their water is being shut off because all of it being diverted to these big server farms. And if we're not careful, that's exactly what's going to happen to us.

Peter Atwater is a guy that Stu and I have been talking about for a while because he's comparing this AI bubble. He's like, "Look, I wanted to show you a chart. I'm not smart enough to figure out the chart. But let me show you a chart, and I want to show you a chart that I did in, like, 2007 or 2008 with the housing bubble! Wow, they kind of look exactly the same. And it's a little frightening."

Peter is with us now. Peter Atwater from the College of William & Mary. He's an adjunct lecturer there. He's the guy who coined the term K-shaped recovery.

Welcome to the program, how are you, sir?

PETER: I'm great, Glenn. Thanks very much for having me.

GLENN: You bet. Okay. So can you explain the housing -- or, not the housing bubble.

The AI bubble. Do you believe it is? And if so, why? And what does that mean?

PETER: I do believe it is.

And I study confidence and its impact on what we do.

And so what I see in the AI bubble is a lot of similarities to what we saw during the housing bubble. Where everybody wants to be involved.

There's a social frenzy to it. There's a want to, you know, make a lot of money, to see the opportunity in it.

There's a lot of speculation.

And what matters so much, to me as a researcher, is that this network that existed in the -- in the housing bubble. Where mortgages were sliced and diced.

And you had these conveyor belts that moved everything from, you know, mom and pop's house to folks all over the world.

GLENN: Right.

PETER: Now, it's within the AI system. Where you have enormous amounts of capital moving, but also equipment.

So it looks a lot like the Just In Time Network that we saw stumble during COVID.

GLENN: Okay. That doesn't make me happy. But there's a difference between the housing bubble, where it was all being inflated and resold and repackaged. And this, which does seem to be a game-changer on productivity. Where housing was not.

This seems to be like it could be a real game changer for economies. Agree or disagree?

PETER: Oh. There's no question, it will be a game changer. But we can think about it the same way we said dot-com was going to be a game changer. Like railroads. And all of these other things that we have in terms of speculative mania.

There's real productivity. Real improvement that comes from it. But what happens is that investors anticipate it happening far sooner, in far larger scale.

And much more profitably than it ever does.

GLENN: So what are you predicting? How is this going to -- how is this going to happen?

What's a bad case scenario, not necessarily worst?

I don't know if I can handle worst. Bad case scenario, and realistic scenarios.

PETER: Yeah. So to me, the realistic scenario is that valuations come down dramatically. At the same time, the build-out continues at a much lower pace.

And eventually, maybe a decade from now, it all settles out.

But in the meantime, there's a lot of financial pain that's going to go along with it. Particularly because today, more than 40 percent of an S&P 500 ties to AI.

GLENN: Like seven companies. Right?

PETER: Seven companies, and -- and the ones that are closest to them. So that, you know, retirees, pension plans, you know, folks that invest in index funds, have a super sized allocation to AI whether they realize it or not.

GLENN: Can you give me an example of this happening in history, that's not housing, but more industry?

PETER: Sure. You can go back to radio. In the -- in the 20s. I mean, RCA was a mammoth weight in the markets. Because people were incredibly excited about it.

You saw it even -- go back even further to canals. We -- we love new technology. Particularly where we can identify the efficiencies that we see coming from it.

STU: One of the things that's really interesting about the trends you've highlighted, Peter, is this sort of circuitous relationship with these companies. It's too complicated to go through all of it.

Just to give you one quick relationship here. And tell me if I'm understanding this right.

OpenAI, of course, buys a bunch of chips from NVIDIA. They're spending a ton of money with NVIDIA. NVIDIA is investing $100 million into OpenAI. OpenAI is -- has a 300 billion-dollar cloud deal with Oracle.

Oracle is spending tens of billions of dollars in chips with NVIDIA. And then NVIDIA is investing into OpenAI. There's a bunch of these arrows, that are pointing in this circular directions. And it seems like companies are flowing money back and forth to each other, and all these arrangements. And you wonder if there's any disruption here.

Are we looking at some sort of short-term collapse of all this stuff.

PETER: The -- the dog eating its tail phenomenon is extraordinary here. And what's so unusual about this one is, in prior bubbles, the -- the conveyor belts were among smaller participants.

But in this one, we had the largest technology companies in the world, to spinning money around, among themselves.

It looked like one of those Esther drawings, where the waterfall just keeps moving in perpetuity. And the challenge, particularly given that OpenAI is at the center of it, is that this is a company that is barely profitable. That is committing to hundreds of billions of dollars in commitments.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: So what does it look like if it starts to fall apart? And what are the signs we should be watching for?

PETER: So what we know right now, is that everybody wants to be affiliated with AI in some way.

And so you end up with these late arrivals to the party.

And typically when a bubble bursts, the last guy to the party, is the first to leave. When you think of this in the context of a mortgage bubble.

Where it was the subprime lenders who showed up right at the tail end.

And then collapsed first. So I'm -- I'm watching to see these companies that are barely AI-related, that have tried to position themselves as being AI industry leaders. Who are likely to fail in the not too distant future.

They just need rarefied air to exist.

GLENN: Like what companies?

PETER: I don't have specific names to throw out there.

GLENN: Sure. Okay.

PETER: But they're typically smaller highly leveraged offerings. To very, very compelling, but untested technologies.

GLENN: Now, this would be -- I mean, if it collapses, I mean, that would be horrific for our economy.

But also, what -- what happens with the race with China? I mean, China is deeper into this than we are, at like crazy.

How -- how does this affect China, what happens to the race, how does -- I mean, how does this not move forward?

PETER: So I am by no means a China expert, but I would expect that if our confidence in AI begins to fall, confidence in AI more broadly will come under question.

STU: Hmm.

PETER: So they then face questions in terms of policy maker credibility. In terms of, why did you commit so much to this?

No difference than a CEO faces that test, when a bubble bursts.

GLENN: So what does success look like to you?

Because I'm not sure -- I had a really fascinating conversation a couple of weeks ago.

And he's going to come on the show in a couple of weeks with Max Tegmark, who is a brilliant AI ethicist. And we were talking about AI, AGI. And he believes that that may not be happening. And he makes a great case on this.

But is that the goal, or, I mean. Because what -- what is the goal that we're not going to hit, that would fall short?

That would cause this kind of stuff?

PETER: So I think you -- we tend to fall short in terms of immediate usage. So volume short.

But also profitability.

You know, if you go back through dot-com bubble. They all imagined this huge, you know, pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. And you're seeing the same wild fascination with the potential profitability for AI.

And, again, that may come, but it's unlikely too come at the speed and magnitude that people now expect. I mean, we're -- we're fans of science.

GLENN: Boy, I mean, in a way, that would be really, really good.

Because that -- what I worry about is AI advancing as quickly as everybody says it is. And then what happens to all the jobs so quickly. I mean, you just can't absorb that kind of an impact. If it happens that fast. So I don't know which is better.

PETER: So typically, we'll see a backlash against new technology. I mean, if you go back to the 1920 bubble burst. And you saw this backlash to, you know, innovate technologies like the vacuum. And the ironing board. And all these things that people said, took jobs away. Well, we'll have that same thing in all likelihood. And this time, too, to a point you made earlier, likely compounded by a greater awareness of the environmental consequences of this, and also, the cost that it creates in the average consumer, in terms of the utility bills.

GLENN: Hmm.

Can you explain one more thing? Because you're the guy who invented the K-shaped recovery. And as Stu and I talked about the K-shaped recovery -- can you explain that? K-shaped recovery.

PETER: Sure. So when COVID hit, I immediately saw that if you were a white-collar worker who could work from home, your confidence improved immediately. Whereas, if you were a, you know, somebody who worked if a warehouse. Or stocked shelves in the supermarket. Or hospital worker.

Your confidence didn't start to improve for a long time.

And from that, what I have seen is that the economy that results from these two different tracks of confidence, are vastly different.

And today, those are the top, whether it's because of the markets, or because of corporate earnings, growth. Those at the top feel invulnerable.

And they're spending like it. They're investing like it. They're living like it. They're living like there's no tomorrow.

Well, on the other hand, those at the bottom today, aren't sure how they will make it through the take. They're delinquent on their car loans. They're now worried about health care costs. And so to me, this K that -- this divide has created two classes of Americans.

You have the increasingly desperate, and those who feel invulnerable.

GLENN: That does not sound stable long-term.

PETER: It doesn't feel stable to me too.

And I worry that those who are in a position to do something about it, we're spending so much of our time in this country, fighting between the left and the right, and we're not seeing that our biggest divide is up and down.

That those at the bottom, there's a bipartisan hopelessness that exists.

GLENN: Hmm.

PETER: That I feel like Washington is not paying enough attention to.

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Trump told me why he's "DESTROYING" the White House...

Construction for President Trump's ballroom has begun on the East Wing of the White House, and every Democrat in America has lost their mind. Does the President have the authority to alter a historic structure like the White House? Glenn and Stu discuss, as Glenn shares the story where he reveals even Trump was shocked at how easy it was to get the alterations approved.

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STU: Well, you still haven't really addressed why Donald Trump for is knocking down the White House for his own --

GLENN: Well, he just hates America.

STU: That's -- what I've been reading. Yeah.

GLENN: Right. And how crazy excited the left should be that he's knocking down something built by slaves. They're like, we've got to preserve that.

Slaves made that!

It's weird.

STU: I actually do have questions about this though.

GLENN: What? What question do you have?

STU: Well, and they come from, you know, everybody's source of thinking these days. Which are group texts.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: I'm on with some friends. I have some really basic questions of like, I feel like, there would be a conversation and a bill passed if we're going to put a giant new building at the White House.

GLENN: No.

STU: That's not how it works at all.

Is it? How's it work? How does this work?

GLENN: You ready? So the president says, I want to change the White House.

STU: Okay.

GLENN: And the White House architect says, how would you like to change it?

And he says, this way. And they say, okay.

Well, you need to approve all the permits. Okay. I approve all the permits.

Okay. We change it. That's literally how it happens.

STU: Really? They can do anything they want.

GLENN: Well, I mean, within reason.

When I say within reason.

I think with restraint from public outcry.

Like, I want to paint the White House black.

Well, you know, as president, you can do whatever you want.

But I don't think that will fly with the American people.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: So there some standards in there. I will tell you about a conversation I had with Trump next.
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GLENN: Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. We're glad you're here.

Thank you so much for listening. You know, Stu has been freaking out about the White House.

STU: I'm not -- I'm not freaking out. I just think it's an interesting. I thought there would be more of a process to something like this.

GLENN: No.

STU: Because I certainly was not think at this point, the American people understand what is about to happen. Which is like, the White House is about to double in size.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: My -- just by my eyeball look at it.

It looks like it will maybe be more than two times the size.

GLENN: It's going to be large! But it's not the actual White House. It's part of the east wing.

STU: That's -- that's a totally misleading commentary.

GLENN: No. It's not.

GLENN: Because the White House is the original piece from the 1700s. Okay?

That's the center house. The east wing and the West Wing was not done until FDR. They were added later.

STU: It was a big deal.

GLENN: The biggest change in the White House since FDR. And happened in our lifetime. Right after 9/11.

The White House became enormous. But it was all underground.

STU: Okay.

GLENN: They completely changed everything underground.

STU: Yes.

GLENN: And we didn't have a conversation about that at all.

STU: Because it's underground!

I assume all sorts of things are happening underground. Our well-known monuments and buildings.

GLENN: Right. Sure.

STU: But this is -- this is -- it's not a -- they keep saying this.

They're going to be changed the West Wing.

GLENN: No. The East Wing.

STU: They're going to be changing the East Wing. That's not what they're doing. This is like doubling the size of the White House.

Now, I'm not opposed to that idea.

I'm just sort of surprised that it wasn't like a big conversation and a bill.

GLENN: All right. Okay. Okay. You ready?

So was Donald Trump.

STU: What do you mean?

GLENN: So I'm in the White House with him. And I'm up in the private quarters with him.

And he is showing me some things that he is doing. And talking to me about some other things that I can't talk about. Because he doesn't want.

I don't know.

STU: He doesn't want to discuss it.

GLENN: I didn't want to discuss it. And I don't know why.

Because it's all really good stuff.

So, anyway, we're taking about it. And then he brings up the ballroom.

And we're walking down the stairs, from the residents, and we're going into the ballroom.

And he says, you know, this is the ballroom that Abraham Lincoln had dinners here.

I said, you know, it's that window over there, that Fredrick Douglass had to open up the window and had to crawl in because they wouldn't let him in because he was black. And Abraham Lincoln was like, let him in. He's my friend. Why is coming through the window?

And we were talking about all the history of the ballroom. And that it's very, very small.

Because it was built in the 1700s. And we keep using that ballroom. And he's like, we have to have a bigger ballroom.

We have it out in the wet, and the cold and the rain. Yada, yada, yada.

And so he said, we come over to a window. And he's like, right there, I will build a big, beautiful ballroom.

And it's going to better than anybody thinks. It's going to be the biggest, most beautiful ballroom. And I'm just trying not to laugh. Because that's the way he describes it.

And he said, you know, surprised that I could do that.

And I said, I bet. How long is that going to take? What's that process like?

And he's like, right. That's what I asked.

He said, I went to the -- I went to the -- I don't know, chief usher or somebody. Whoever is in charge of the White House. I think it's the chief usher. He said, I think we should have a ballroom. He's like, what do I do?

And he said, well, you just have to talk to the architect.

So he went to the White House architect. Now, this is a guy who makes sure the integrity of the White House stays. Okay?

You can't make it into a modern house. Okay? You're not going to redesign the inside. You can add some gold I guess.

You can add a lot of gold, I guess. You can't make it into. You can't wreck the integrity of the White House.

And he said, you know, I just put these flagpoles in. And he's like, all I had to say was, I want to put some flagpoles in.

He said, yes, sir. Where?

He's like, what?

One in the front. One in the back. They were like, okay. Tell us where.

We went out into the yard. Right here. Right there.

And they put them up. And so he's talking to the White House architect. And he said, we've got to have a ballroom. And I think we should have it over here in the East Wing. A big, beautiful -- and he said, but what is this going to take?

And he's like, well, it's going to be very expensive. Are you expecting the people to pay?

And he's like, no, I'll raise the money for it. I'll pay for it, and I'll raise the money, extra, so American people are not going to pay for it.

And the architect said, well, then all you have to do is sign the permits.

And he's like, what?

And he said, well, you have to go through the permitting process.

He's like, how long will that take?

He said, well, the President is the one who controls the process and signs the permits. So as on short as you would like it to be, Mr. President.

And he's like, are you kidding me? And he looked at me, he's like, I'll have this done by spring of next year.

So he can change it. The -- what you have to understand is, the -- the east wing and the West Wing, those -- those are FDR.

So FDR went into a works project. And he added those wings.

The east wing is where the first lady's offices are.

Just the east wing is like, you know, it's -- it's just the east wing.

And it's --

STU: Okay. Shade of the east wing?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, and so what he's doing is he's taking some of it town, and he's going to link it to the ballroom. And the bail room is going to be the biggest, beautiful ballroom in Washington DC.

It's going to link from there. So you will walk -- if you're in the White House, you will walk from the front door, through the -- the dining room.
Or, the east dining room. You'll go into the East Wing, and you'll go to the ballroom.

STU: I'm looking -- I'm at the renderings as we speak. And that's exactly --

GLENN: I've not even seen the renderings. Just describe it to me. Can I see it?

STU: No. They're mine. This is my computer.

GLENN: Okay.

STU: This is the -- I can't obviously show it to the people here. You can see it over here.

GLENN: Okay. It's big, beautiful. What a surprise, the tables are golden.

STU: By the way, it's different --

GLENN: That's amazing. Holy cow.

STU: My conversation about whether this is the -- the -- you can't. It's already zoomed in. They're not the best images.

Here.

GLENN: There's nothing wrong with that. What is wrong with that? It looks just like the White House.

It fits. It's appropriate.

STU: I was in the middle of saying. It's -- my conversation on this is not whether it is -- looks good or is appropriate or anything like.

I actually think his point on the ballroom is so obvious, every president should have been making it.

The fact that we don't have a big room to have state dinners in.

GLENN: Right.

STU: Unless you wanted to do them off campus everywhere else.

You have to have that, and why not have it at the White House. It makes a lot of sense.

GLENN: Except, I don't want to pay for it, as a citizen. I don't want a dime going for it.

You know what? Hey, all you Frenchies, you can eat on the lawn. Literally, on the lawn.

Just throw the food out on the lawn.

Yeah, I mean, I'm fine with that.

But if he wants to pay for it. If he wants to get rich people to pay for it, go for it.

I don't want any of my tax dollars going for it.

STU: Right. So my criticism is not how it looks. And that we need it.

We actually showed the inside of it. It seems like the facility we should have for these type of events.

We're going to have them somewhere. Why not have them there?

GLENN: Right. And who better to build it than one of the best builders of all time.

STU: Donald Trump. We've had this conversation about how you project American power.

GLENN: Yes.

STU: And I think Trump's approach to -- particularly in the Middle East. I think it's been effective around the world. Of these trappings actually are effective in diplomatic relations with other nations. Donald Trump has a lot of places that are lined in gold. That can have meetings. It's not like that's what he wants it for. The left tries to portray. Of course, he does.

No. It means something to him. And he knows how these people think.

GLENN: No. No.

Because I asked. I -- I won't tell the whole story.

But I really want to, really desperately.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: But, you know, he's gilding everything.

And that's not necessarily my favorite look.

STU: Right.

GLENN: And -- and he -- he came in, Tania and I were alone in the Oval for a while. And we were talking about it.

And he comes in. He says, you know, I'm doing all of this.

You see all the gold? Yes. You can't miss it. You can't miss the gold.

And he's like, you know, it's so important. These foreign leers, they all come from palaces. And they don't understand. And I know, you know, the White House is different. America is different. But they understand power in a different way.

And he said, they are coming from these old countries. And these big buildings.

And these palaces.

And he said, it is important for us to project power.

STU: Yes!

GLENN: And that's -- and that is why he's doing this. Not because he likes gold. He's doing it to project power and wealth.

Notice how many prime ministers.

They're all flying in all the time, from all over the world. You know, I've never seen a president meet with so many foreign dignitaries in the White House all the time!

STU: Yeah. And the media likes to say, well, that's because he's self-important.

And he's --

GLENN: No. He's projecting American power.

STU: Yes. I think so too.

When I say it's important to him.

That's why it's important to him.

He believes it's an important tool in that world.

GLENN: Correct. It's not him.

He knows the language they speak. And not just body language or, you know, spoken language.

All of the entire -- that's what protocol is all about. It all means something.

STU: And so my criticism -- and it's not even criticism.

My observation is not whether it fits. Or whether we need it, or whether it's appropriate.

My -- I don't think my observation here in the group text, that we started this with, which is that, holy crap.

I don't think the American people have any idea what's about to happen. Like every time I bring this up to Glenn.

And we have to understand how these conversations work.

I say, people will look at the White House. And it will be totally different.

He's like, oh, president Tyler did on more than that. In 1940 -- shut up!

That's what I get from Glenn.

Oh, well, there was more changes underground. You don't understand the piping -- that he totally changed the -- the -- the piping back in 1807. You moron!

Okay. I'm sorry.

I didn't know that. What I think of. And, you know, FDR made these changes.

My whole life, it's been the same, pretty much from the outside.

I know what the White House looks like. You go up there, I look at the White House.

It looks like the White House.

It is not going to look like the White House when this is over. It is going to look like the White House plus another White House next to it.

And it's going to be, I think, massively impressive. But I'm surprised there's not more conversation about this.

GLENN: When was the last time you were in Washington, DC?

STU: The inauguration.

GLENN: So you would not believe the difference in the White House grounds.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: The difference from, you know, when I went with George Bush.

You could stand right at the front gate.

STU: Right.

GLENN: You can't do that anymore.

They've taken the park. The park in the back is all gone.

The security --

STU: Just for security.

GLENN: Everything. All of the trees. Everything that has been done to not see the White House.

Except, for that iconic front.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: You know what I mean?

Everything is -- is not really -- you don't see it like you used to anymore. You don't walk up to it.

STU: The last -- I was in town for the inauguration. Last time I actually walked by the White House.

It's been a long time.

GLENN: Oh, you would not.

You will not recognize it.

I mean, just driving by and seeing it.

You will get pictures and everything else. But walking by it.

Today, you wouldn't recognize it.

It's -- it's -- what has -- what has happened with security is so sad. When I have the bell from the White House front desk, they're will it used to be a little desk right in the front, right as you walk in. There was a desk, and a bell. And I -- I have it. I think it is from Tyler's, you know, administration.

STU: Of course.

GLENN: And you would walk in. And you would hit the bell. And you would say, I want to see the president.

And somebody would say, okay. All right. Sit over there.

And you would wait. And you might wait all day, but you got -- you can walk in without an appointment and see the president of the United States.

You're not getting within two blocks of the White House right now.

It's sad. It's sad what's happening.

STU: Yeah. And for good. I wouldn't disagree with that either.

It's for good reason, security-wise.

I think back, the classic. I think what everybody thinks of when they think of the White House.

Is the scene from Superman two.

GLENN: Try to remember.

STU: When they showed the White House. And it's supposed to be -- it's a motion picture.

But they were too lazy to actually get video footage of the White House.

So it's just a still.

And you can tell, because there's like things that should be moving. That aren't moving. Right.

GLENN: Is that because --

STU: I think that's Superman.

GLENN: On Independence Day, they blew it up.

STU: But that's another example.

You had that picture of what the White House looked like. And, you know, I guess from certain angles, it looks pretty much the same. From the front. You won't notice it. Because it's kind of wrapped around the back. The back is pretty iconic too.

It's not going to look like that anymore.

In some ways, it will look a lot better or impressive.

It is a major change. That when you say, hey, they're redoing the West Wing, putting a ball room in there. That's not what they're doing.

GLENN: East.

STU: Sorry, East. I hate Glenn.


GLENN: I'm only saying it because I know how much he hates it.