RADIOApril 14, 2023

'A 21-year-old kid CAN'T do this': Only TWO WAYS pentagon leaker could have gotten documents?

The FBI has found the 21-year-old Air National Guardsman who allegedly leaked classified documents from the Pentagon. But should he have even been able to access these documents? Glenn's head researcher and former DoD intelligence analyst Jason Buttrill joins him to explain just how odd this situation is, how this kid could have accessed these top secret documents off the JWICS system, and whether he would have needed help: "A 21-year-old kid CAN'T do this."

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GLENN: Jason joins us. Jason is the head of research for the broadcasts, that I do. And also, the -- the guy who watches over, you know, global problems that have anything to do with the military.

STU: And the guy who has the most illegal search history in the entire company.

GLENN: In the entire company.

STU: And that includes Jeffy.

GLENN: Yeah. You know, it's really scary, when you say, when you research something, and you about it by his office, sitting there, darkroom. You're like it's okay. (?) I think I'm finding some really good stuff. That's probably not the right words. Good stuff on the dark web. Anyway, Jason is here, because yesterday the FBI arrests the National Guardsmen linked to the Pentagon classified documents link. Now, I saw the pictures from the sky. Can we -- let's see if they match what I saw.

Because it didn't look like the FBI. That looked a lot like Army people.

STU: Oh, yeah. The vehicles certainly.

GLENN: The vehicles are. Now, when they were walking out, they had like four rifles.

They were all in the camo. Is that how our FBI dresses now?

Do we just -- are all norms gone? Now, I have to hand it to our FBI.

Because this is -- this could have been anybody. Anybody in the world!

They found him. They found him this quickly. Congratulations. Now, they still didn't know who leaked the Dobbs decision. And there's only 12 suspects there. But I'm sure they're working on it. I'm sure they're working on it. Now, I brought Jason in, because, Jason, you were in -- and I hate to say it, military intelligence. And you were in military intelligence. So you know this stuff.

JASON: Yeah.

GLENN: So tell us what he was accused of doing, according to the New York Times.

JASON: So there was that badge of classified documents that ended up on a Discord servers, which gamers use to talk to each other while they play games.

But it was on this Discord server, and somehow it went from the Discord server to eventually getting leaked out on to Telegram. Places like that.

GLENN: My first thought, when I saw this break yesterday, he's 21 years old, he's a National Guardsman. And he has access to these kinds of top secret documents. How is that possible?

JASON: So these kinds is very important to this story. When you look at the classified documents. And, yes, I have a copy of the classified documents. I mean, I don't have a copy of the classified documents. We didn't do! Somewhere Merrick Garland is laughing right now. Finally!

JASON: Yeah. Go, go. On these top secret documents, (?) their special access programs. Sensitive compartmentalized information. So what that means, there's top secret. And above that, if you get cleared, there's (?) you are read into certain things.

Just because you have a top secret clearance, blinds.com to be (?) in there somewhere.

You can't search for that stuff.

GLENN: Wait a minute. So he had access to the computer link?

JASON: Yeah. It's come out on the New York Times. (?) last night, the New York Times said, that he pulled this information off of something called Jay wicks. That stands for joint worldwide intelligence (?) communication system.

GLENN: Okay.

JASON: So basically what that is, that is an internet service provider. It's like, if you have internet (?)

GLENN: So it's -- it's a secure line.

JASON: Exactly.

GLENN: It's not a machine or anything. You plug your computer into a secure line.

JASON: Exactly. You can call on it. You can send email on it. Same as he pulled it off Jay wicks. It's like, Glenn, if you have (?) Verizon (?) can I have a little more context there. Was he surfing for it on the indecenter pap so a Jay wicks is just a system.

GLENN: So (?) candy assassination. (?) and it pops up the information. Classified details in Ukraine.

JASON: No. No, oops glycolytic some context. (?)

GLENN: Oh, they're already here.

JASON: Let's look out there.

STU: They park out front. They're just kind of outside.

JASON: I have a fast vehicle.

GLENN: I'm auto record saying this. I have nothing to do with this. (?) no.

Jason has worked for me for years. And has never, ever -- not that you have a bunch of stuff. But you have never divulged any kind of classified information, in any aspect of anybody's life.

JASON: And also the system is designed, so that I really can't. The system is designed, so that a 20-year-old enlisted kid can't get his hands on everything and anything.

It's designed that way. But what you were describing, going to (?) Intel link is basically, that's the internet, right?

Or that's basically the computers that are all linked together. I guess it's more better to describe it as an Intranet. There's a place to click on. (?)

GLENN: Is there a Wikipedia?

JASON: There is. There is a Wikipedia. It's called intel pedia. That's for top secret nerds to build (?) wait. So will this National Guardsman. He is with the (?) he is 21 years old.

Would we have access to intel pedia?

JASON: Yes. He would be able to access intel pedia. I had a top secret (?) I would be able to go into the skiff. The facility where this stuff is at.

And I could get on to one of these terminals. That's hooked up to Jay wicks. And I could go into Intel pedia,if I want to.

The information is broad there. It's a bunch of nerds (?)

GLENN: It's not these documents.

JASON: No, no, no. It's not. Here are the locations of every (?) that would be SEI or sap.

Meaning, you have to be read into that. You have to have a special login to send that to and from terminals on the Jay wicks. Oops I don't know. The Capitol Police were disgorge just happened to walk out on the room, and it was there on the screen. Any way to get and recently

Could he print it or take a picture of it?

JASON: He could take a picture of it on the computer. Bought that's not what happened. He printed it (?)

GLENN: You couldn't print it off in the skiff.

JASON: You could. But there would be a record that somebody printed that off in the skiff.

STU: One of the many ways they were able to identify this guy supposedly, was that he printed them off, brought them home, put them on the counter. And you could see, it was the same (?) the counter in his kitchen.

GLENN: Right. And there was a reflection of the room and things like that. Again, can't find the secretary of one of the 12 justices that leaked that.

STU: No. It's impossible. Oops found out athat he had the reflection of his furniture in his room.

JASON: See, this is the way the system worked back when I was in. I heard they were trying to modernize the Jay wicks system. (?)

GLENN: Oh, okay. (?) just leave it open.

JASON: Right. Well, I was thinking, from what they were saying, they were trying to make it more restrictive from when I was in. It was going to be cloud-based. (?) what really irritated me about the New York Times piece last night, is they didn't ask any of these questions. They were given an acronym.

And even the acronym meant, just pull off Jay wicks.

GLENN: Okay.

Hang on. Why would the New York Times feel the need to ask the government any questions?

JASON: Especially when they were probably given it.

GLENN: We will ask the questions here.

They seemed to have trusted their government sources for everything. And been burned every time, as we find out it's false. Why would -- these questions.

JASON: Yeah. It was almost (?) they were given a piece of paper, and print this. That's the way it felt to me. If I'm at the New York Times, and actually curious about getting to the bottom of this. (?) okay. He got it off Jay wicks.

Where was it at in Jay wicks? Was it in an email, and-something (?) was he reading someone's email?

Did someone send him an ice mail, and his information was on at a?

GLENN: Definitely not an (?) FBI agent. Whatever I say, not an FBI agent.

Justice Department has nothing to do with it.

JASON: I will say (?) I'll just put that out there.

STU: So does the DOJ.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh.

JASON: I'm just wondering. (?)

GLENN: And have you come back. Have you figured out any way that this could be done by this kid.

What are the most likely scenarios?

Because if you're telling us, you can't just log in. And he wouldn't have the ability to just log in, and get this kind of information.

What would he have to have? Or how is the most likely way it would have happened?

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Now, they're saying, this guy is stationed at the National Guard base, as a cyber transport systems journeyman. What the hell is that?

JASON: I have no idea. That's Air Force.

GLENN: He held the highest level security clearance, granted by the government, to review top secret information.

JASON: SEI. Top secret as he EI.

GLENN: So he would have (?)

JASON: He would be able to look at that.

GLENN: But he wouldn't be able to search for it or look for it.

It would have to have been -- he would have to know where it was. Because I'm guessing. I'm trying to understand this -- in people terms. But I don't know anybody who has actually been on the dark web, except you.

So when you own the dark web (?) you have to know what you're looking for, right?

JASON: People have built web pages on the dark web (?)

GLENN: And is there a list of links on this thing?

JASON: Kind of like the Intranet. So he could go on that. Look on Intel pedia,if he wanted to. But (?) there's no search function for that. So you couldn't just be like, hydrogens going to go on this site on (?) Jay and moaning me before, what's the most likely scenario? Either someone else's email is up. I'm just theorize oops (?) which would be highly unlikely, right?

JASON: Unless they're completely incompetent, which is a possibility. If so, I want to know about that, someone should ask that. Or someone could have sent him an ICE email that he shouldn't have received. That could be possible as well.

GLENN: Would there be a record of that?

JASON: It should be. There will be a record of that.

GLENN: So when they arrest him, and they're printing him as the guy, is there any way for that to be true, that he is the only one involved in this? As far as getting the information.

JASON: It's possible he was the only one involved in wanting to steal this information. So like I said, if somebody else's mistake allowed him to do this. But that needs to be looked into.

So that's one option. The other option was someone was feeding him information. I want to know who that person is as well. That is the only two scenarios that I can think of, that makes sense.

The way classified information makes sense. It's set up to where a 21-year-old kid can't do it.

There has to be somewhere, where there are mistakes, where protocols can't be followed.

We have to know about that.

GLENN: So here's the thing that bothered me from the get-go. When we know who this guy is. Yesterday, when we said, we know who that guy is, but we won't tell you who it is.

And the opening paragraph of the story was, he's a guy who loves God and guns. And he's with a bunch of guys on the internet with God and guns.

And I thought, wow. Wow. That's an interesting -- what a great, sweet deal. And that story was followed by Biden saying, this is why we need to have more monitoring of all websites.

JASON: Off a. That's coming.

GLENN: Right (?) so, I mean, I would have never said five years ago, eight years ago, would have never said, this smells like a setup. This smells like -- only because of everything else that's going on.

For instance, we got the guy who discovered the pipe bomb. Okay?

The first guy that discovered the January into just. Cop. Okay? He's been arrested. He's going to jail.

Why? Because he told someone, hey, man. You should remove that from Facebook.

Well, I know people who know people who are at January 6th. And they were like, what are you doing? Don't post that. Take that Facebook. Not that they're doing anything.

But when is it a crime when you say, Newsweek?

We haven't found the guy who left the bomb. But the guy who discovered -- the cop who discovered the bomb. And then later told somebody else, hey, you should take that off of Facebook.

He's arrested and going to jail.

Now, as a movie writer, I would say, that that's a great setup for, he knows something. Shut him up.

Am I wrong? As a movie writer.

Am I wrong on that.

JASON: No, nn, no. But look how (?) everyone mobilized to figure this out, in what, a matter of days?

GLENN: Days. Days.

JASON: And it was the media that actually broke it. The media figured it out before the fed did, that's what it felt like.

GLENN: And that's weird. Because that would be internal sources. And we know what internal sources have fed us through the media before. Nothing, but lies.

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INSIDE Trump’s soul: How a bullet changed his heart forever

“I have a new purpose,” then-candidate Donald Trump told reporter Salena Zito after surviving the assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania. Salena joins Glenn Beck to reveal what Trump told her about God, his purpose in life, and why he really said, “Fight! Fight! Fight!”, as she details in her new book, “Butler: The Untold Story of the Near Assassination of Donald Trump and the Fight for America's Heartland”.

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GLENN: Salena, congratulations on your book. It is so good.

Just started reading it. Or listening to it, last night.

And I wish you would have -- I wish you would have read it. But, you know, the lady you have reading it is really good.

I just enjoy the way you tell stories.

The writing of this is the best explanation on who Trump supporters are. That I think I've ever read, from anybody.

It's really good.

And the description of your experience there at the edge of the stage with Donald Trump is pretty remarkable as well. Welcome to the program.

SALENA: Thank you, Glenn. Thank you so much for having me.

You know, I was thinking about this, as I was ready to come on. You and I have been along for this ride forever. For what?

Since 2006? 2005?

Like 20 years, right?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

SALENA: And I've been chronicling the American people for probably ten more years, before that. And it's really remarkable to me, as watching how this coalition has grown. Right?

And watching how people have the -- have become more aspirational.

And that's -- and that is what the conservative populist coalition is, right?

It is the aspirations of many, but the celebration of the individual.

And chronicling them, yeah. Has been -- has been, a great honor.

GLENN: You know, I was thinking about this yesterday, when -- when Elon Musk said he was starting another party.

And somebody asked me, well, isn't he doing what the Tea Party tried to do?

No. The Tea Party was not going to start a new party.

It was to -- you know, it was to coerce and convince the Republican Party to do the right thing. And it worked in many ways. It didn't accomplish what we hoped.

But it did accomplish a lot of things.

Donald Trump is a result of the Tea Party.

I truly believe that. And a lot of the people that were -- right?

Were with Donald Trump, are the people that were with the Tea Party.

SALENA: That's absolutely right.

So that was the inception.

So American politics has always had movements, that have been just outside of a party. Or within a party.

That galvanize and broaden the coalition. Right? They don't take away. Or walk away, and become another party.

If anything, if there is a third party out there, it's almost a Republican Party.

Because it has changed in so many viable and meaningful ways. And the Tea Party didn't go away. It strengthened and broadened the Republican Party. Because these weren't just Republicans that became part of this party.

It was independents. It was Democrats.

And just unhappy with the establishment Republicans. And unhappy with Democrats.

And that -- that movement is what we -- what I see today.

What I see every day. What I saw that day, in butler, when I showed I happen at that rally.

As I do, so many rallies, you know, throughout my career. And that one was riveting and changed everything.

GLENN: You made a great case in the opening chapter. You talk about how things were going for Donald Trump.

And how this moment really did change everything for Donald Trump.

Changed the trajectory, changed the mood.

I mean, Elon Musk was not on the Trump train, until this.

SALENA: Yeah.

GLENN: Moment. What do I -- what changed? How -- how did that work?

And -- and I contend, that we would have much more profound change, had the media actually done their job and reported this the way it really was. Pragmatism

SALENA: You know, and people will find this in the book. I'm laying on the ground with an agent on top of me.

I'm 4 feet away from the president.

And there's -- there's notices coming up on my phone. Saying, he was hit by broken glass.

And to this take, that remains part of this sibling culture, in American politics.

Because reporters were -- were so anxious to -- to right what they believed happened.

As opposed to what happened.

And it's been a continual frustration of mine, as a reporter, who is on the ground, all the time.

And I'll tell you, what changed in that moment.

And I say a nuance, and I believe nuance is dead in American journalism.

But it was a nuance and it was a powerful conversation, that I had with President Trump, the next day. He called me the next morning.

But it's a powerful conversation I had with him, just two weeks ago.

When he made this decision to say, fight, fight, fight.

People have put in their heads, why they think he said it. But he told me why he said that. And he said, Salena, in that moment, I was not Donald Trump the man. I was a former president. I was quite possibly going to be president again.

And I had an obligation to the country, and to the office that I have served in, to project strength. To project resolve.

To project that we will not be defeated.

And it's sort of like a symbolic eagle, that is always -- you know, that symbol that we look at, when we think about our country.

He said, that's why I said that. I didn't want the people behind me panicking. I didn't want the people watching, panicking.

I had to show strength. And it's that nuance -- that I think people really picked up on.

And galvanized people.

GLENN: So he told me, when he was laying down on the stage.

And you can hear him. Let me get up. Let me get up.

I've got to get up.

He told me, as I was laying on the stage. I asked him, what were you thinking? What was going through your head? Now, Salena, I don't know about you.

But with me. It would be like, how do I get off the stage? My first was survival.

He said, what was going on through his mind was, you're not pathetic. This is pathetic.

You're not afraid. Get up.

Get up.

And so is that what informed his fight, fight, fight, of that by the time that he's standing up, he's thinking, I'm a symbol? Or do you think he was thinking, I'm a symbol, this looks pathetic. It makes you look weak.

Stand up. How do you think that actually happened?

SALENA: He thinks, and we just talked about this weeks ago. He -- you know, and this is something that he's really thought about.

Right? You know, he's gone over and over and over. And also, purpose and God. Right? These are things that have lingered with him.

You know, he -- he thought, yes.

He did think, it was pathetic that he was on the ground. But he wasn't thinking about, I'm Donald Trump. It's pathetic.

He's thinking, my country is symbolically on the ground. I need to get up, and I need to show that my country is strong.

That our country is resolute.

And I need people to see that.

We can't go on looking like pathetic.

Right?

And I think that then goes to that image of Biden.

GLENN: You have been with so many presidents.

How many presidents do you think that you've personally been with, would have thought that and reacted that way?

SALENA: Probably only Reagan. Reagan would have. Reagan probably would have thought that.

And if you remember how he was out like standing outside.

You know, waving out the window. Right?

After he was shot.

GLENN: At the hospital, right.

SALENA: Had he not been knocked out, unconscious, you know, he probably would have done the same thing.

Because he was someone who deeply believed in American exceptionalism.

And American exceptionalism does not go lay on the ground.

GLENN: And the symbol.

Right. The symbol of the presidency.

SALENA: Yeah. Absolutely. And I think that affects him today.

GLENN: So let me go back to God.

Because you talked to him the next day. And your book Butler.

He calls you up.

I love the fact that your parents would be ashamed of you. On what you said to him.

The language you used. That you just have to read the book.

It's just a great part.

But he calls you the next morning. And wants to know if you're okay.

And you -- you then start talking to him, about God.

And I was -- I was thinking about this, as I was listening to it. You know, Lincoln said, I wasn't -- I wasn't a Christian.

Even though, he was.

I wasn't a Christian, when I was elected. I wasn't a Christian when my son died.

I became a Christian at Gettysburg.

Is -- is -- I mean, I believe Donald Trump always believes in God, et cetera, et cetera.

Do you think there was a real profound change at Butler with him?

SALENA: Absolutely. You know, he called me seven times that day. Seven times, the take after seven.

GLENN: Crazy.

SALENA: Talked about. And I think he was looking for someone that he knew, that was there. And to try to sort it out.

Right? And I let him do most of the talking. I didn't pressure him.

At all. I believed that he was having -- you know, he was struggling. And he needed to just talk. And I believed my purpose was to listen.

Right? I know other reporters would have handled it differently. And that's okay. That's not the kind of reporter that I am.

And I myself was having my own like, why didn't I die?

Right?

Because it went right over my head.

And -- and so I -- he had the conversation about God.

He's funny. I thought it was the biggest mosquito in the world that hit me.

But he had talked profoundly about purpose. You know, and God.

And how God was in that moment.

It --

GLENN: I love the way you -- in the book, I love the way you said that as he's kind of working it out in his own he head.

He was like, you know, I -- I -- I always knew that there was some sort of, you know -- that God was present.

He said, but now that this has happened.

I look back at all of the trials.

All of the tribulations. Literally, the trials.

All of the things that have happened. And he's like, I realized God was there the whole time.

SALENA: Yes. He does. And it's fascinating to have been that witness to history, to have those conversations with him. Because I'm telling you. And y'all know, I can talk. I didn't say much of anything.

I just -- I just listened. I felt that was my purpose, in that moment.

To give him that space, to work it out.

I'm someone that is, you know, believes in God.

I'm Catholic. I followed my faith.

And -- and so, I thought, well, this is why God put me here. Right?

And to -- to have that -- to hear him talk about purpose, to hear him say, Salena. Why did I put a chart down?

I'm like, sir. I don't know. I thought you were Ross Perot for a second.

He never has a chart. And he laughed. And then he said, why did I put that chart down?

By that term, I never turned my head away from people at the rally. That's true.

That relationship is very transactional. It's very -- they feed off of each other.

It's a very emotive moment when you attend a rally. Because he has a way of talking at a rally. That you believe that you are seeing.

And he said, and I never turn my head away.

I never turn my head away.

Why did I turn my head away?

I don't remember consciously thinking about turning my head away. And then he says to me, that was God, wasn't it?

Yes, sir. It was. It was God.

And he said, that's -- that's why I have a new purpose.

And so, Glenn. I think it's important, when you look at the breadth of what has happened, since he was sworn in.

You see that purpose, every day.

He doesn't let up.

He continues going.

And it brings back to the beginning of the book.

Where you find out, that there was another president that was shot at in Butler.

And that was George Washington. And how different the country would have been, had he died in that moment.

And now think about how different the country would be, had President Trump died in that moment. There would be --

GLENN: We're talking to -- we're talking to Salena Zito. About her new book called Butler. The assassination attempt on President Trump. And it is riveting.

And, you know, it is so good. I wish the press would read it. Because it really explains who we are, who Trump supporters are. Who are, you know, red staters. It is so good at that. She's the best at that.