RADIOMay 23, 2024

How Tulsi Gabbard Went from Bernie Sanders Supporter to Possible Trump VP Pick

How did former Democratic congresswoman and presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard go from endorsing Bernie Sanders to allegedly being on Donald Trump’s vice-presidential shortlist? Tulsi, who recently released her newest book, "For Love of Country," joins Glenn to explain what all changed. She addresses the rumors about whether she’s talked to Trump about being VP and whether she’d join his administration as Secretary of Defense. Plus, she lays out the 2 most critical questions that voters should be asking when choosing between Trump and Biden in the election.

Transcript

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GLENN: Tulsi Gabbard, welcome to the program, how are you?

TULSI: Very good, my friend. How are you?

GLENN: I am good. I am good.

Are you in Hawaii? Right now.

TULSI: I'm in Virginia, today.

GLENN: Okay.

TULSI: And tomorrow. And Texas the day after. I'm on the road, living out of a suitcase.

GLENN: Oh, boy.

Okay. First of all, you're on a short list.

And I'm not going to ask you anything other than, have you had a conversation with him, about being vice president?

TULSI: I've spoken to him. I will talk about what we've spoken about. I have met and spoken to him.

GLENN: That's fine. Would you serve in any capacity in a Trump administration?

TULSI: I would serve in a capacity where I felt that I could actually be effective in helping to get our country back on track, both in domestic policy, and foreign policy.

GLENN: So, Tulsi, you know I respect you. I really like you.

We disagree on things. You were a former Bernie Sanders supporter.

You know, but I also know, you love the Constitution.

And America.

And the country.

And just finding somebody who loves America, is very hard to find right now.

Can you help me out on understanding the Bernie Sanders to, you know, I would be willing to serve in a Trump administration.

TULSI: Of course. I'm glad you asked. Because it is on its face, kind of a -- a big mental -- a mental leap. But when you actually look at the reason, when I made that announcement, back in 2016, to resign as vice chair of the DNC, so that I could get involved in that democratic presidential primary, I focused on one thing.

I announced my endorsement of Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton, around foreign policy.

Bernie Sanders of today is even the different now, than he was back then. On this -- on some of these foreign policy issues.

But there was a very clear contract between Hillary Clinton, the queen of warmongers. And Bernie Sanders, who has for a long time, largely been more of a noninterventionist.

And I was frustrated because as an officer of the DNC, I couldn't, you know, according to the rules, get involved or speak out publicly.

But as you remember, Glenn, people were saying Hillary Clinton was the most qualified person to ever run for president in the history of our country.

But, of course -- I know. I still laugh when I think about that.

GLENN: Yeah.

TULSI: And it wasn't just her campaign people who were saying this. It was supposedly serious people on, you know, the different cable shows. And the broadcast news shows.

And the Meet the Press type shows.

But they never went behind. Okay. She held this title and that title and that title.

It would never go into what her record actually was. The kinds of decisions that she made.

The things that she influenced and urged President Obama to do as Secretary of State.

And for me, as an American citizen, as a soldier and a veteran of various wars and conflicts, I felt strongly about the fact that Hillary Clinton would be the most dangerous president and commander-in-chief for our country. Our freedom, our security, and our liberty.

And so I took the opportunity to make that endorsement of Bernie Sanders, around that issue, so that I could have a platform to call her out directly to the American people. So that at a minimum, they could make a more informed decision, about who they wanted, to be the democratic presidential nominee for that time.

GLENN: So the -- that explains an awful lot.

The State Department, you know, has been off the rails for a hundred years. They're very warmongering. What's happening in Ukraine is obscene.

And strangely, I think since Ronald Reagan and I think even more so than Ronald Reagan. But it was a different time.

Donald Trump is the least -- he understands peace through strength, but he is the least likely to go to war.

And yet, the left keeps saying, he's a warmonger.

TULSI: It's their tried and true tactic. And you see them doing this, not only with an issue with seriousness as war and peace.

But you also see how they're doing it around democracy. You know, they're claiming, he will be the dictator in chief, or this will be the last election that's held if he wins. And so on and so forth.

And yet, we look at how they're weaponizing the Department of Justice. All they're doing to both target and prosecute, throwing everything and the kitchen sink at Donald Trump.

But also going after everyday Americans, whose names will never be in the headlines. Because they are the, quote, unquote, political opposition.

The undermining of free speech. The undermining of the rule of law.

And yet, they cloak all of this. And try to distract and deflect attention from the American people, and the reality of how they are destroying their democracy, right before their very eyes. And they do so, by saying, Donald Trump is the biggest enemy of democracy.

They are the doing same thing around foreign policy. The thing that I'm urging Americans to do across the country. Both through my book, love of country, but also in every platform or speech, where people will have me. Is to look at the facts. This is the first time in our lifetimes, we've had a presidential election, where we actually have two people who served in the White House, with a very real record, for us to examine.

GLENN: Compare.

TULSI: And take the emotions aside. People have strong feelings, one way or another.

And there's -- and that's what a lot of the Democrats and Biden people focus on. Because they're afraid that we will actually compare and contrast their record on border security, on education, on fairness for women and girls in sports and education, on the economy and inflation.

You know, they'll -- on criminal justice reform.

Something the Democrats claim to be for.

And also, of course, first and foremost. Foreign policy.

Ask how secure is our country today. And where are our taxpayer dollars being dedicated?

In each of these areas and more, there's a very clear contrast, between President Biden and President Trump. And to me, what it all comes down to. Are the two most core critical questions.

As you pointed out, are rooted in the Constitution. Is number one, who -- who actually has served the interests of the American people, and our country.

And our ability to live in a safe, free, peaceful, and prosperous society?

And number two, who has -- who has either defended or assaulted our fundamental rights and freedoms that are enshrined in the Constitution?

Freedom of speech. Freedom of expression. Freedom of religion.

Our civil liberties are guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment. And, again, when you look at these metrics, there is -- there is no question, about the difference between President Biden and President Trump.

GLENN: Let me ask you, why should somebody, and I don't mean this just to you. I mean, this for anybody.

Even Joe Biden, Donald Trump.

Why should we believe, when we have not seen one for a very long time?

And when they do believe this, they're called extremists.

Why should we believe anybody, or you, that you actually -- your oath of office would mean what it says? That you will protect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

TULSI: I think with anybody and everyone, it is -- it is -- you know, going back to the old adage, trust but verify. We have to hold people accountable, and that is true of me and of anyone asking for the trust and confidence of the American people. I think part of that is recognizing that as the world changes. As the country changes, there has to be room for people to learn and grow from these changing circumstances.

I think a lot of the problems that we're seeing in a lot of the political divides. And I get it. Trust is earned.

But -- but they're -- in order for there to be progress, we have to allow people to grow and change. Based on the circumstances. You know, we -- we have seen, I think over these last five or six years.

Or especially during the Obama -- I'm sorry. During the Biden administration, we have seen what an increasingly tyrannical government looks like. And we are seeing how our Founding Fathers were so wise in recognizing that our democracy, this form of governance that we have, in this constitutional republic. Through this representative democracy. It's very fragile. And how people in positions of power, are often tempted. And may fall to that temptation. Of abuse of power.

And so we have this system of checks and balances, through three coequal branches of government. We have this system of checks and balances through the Constitution. Our First Amendment and our Second Amendment.

For the power to always favor the voices and the power of the free people and a free society.

I would never have imagined, Glenn, in my lifetime, that we would see such brazen abuse of power.

GLENN: No.

TULSI: And it's not only just a failure to uphold the Constitution. The Democrat elite are actively destroying the Constitution, in broad daylight.

GLENN: Yes.

TULSI: And telling us, no. We don't think the First Amendment is relevant today. Because of misinformation. Disinformation. Hate speech. All of the excuses that they give.

Which are very dangerous. They tell us that, no. The Second Amendment shouldn't apply. And they cite all these different statistics of tragedies that occur in our country.

But ultimately, taking guns away from law-abiding Americans, would not actually prevent those types of tragedies from occurring.

GLENN: Make it more dangerous.

TULSI: It would make it more dangerous. And it's denied the reality that we have faced I think throughout the history of humanity.

If you have a person who seeks to do harm to others, they will find a way to do so.

Unfortunately.

GLENN: Tulsi.

TULSI: Go ahead.

GLENN: No. You finish your thought please. I don't want to interrupt you.

TULSI: They will find a way to do so. It's incumbent upon us, again, to understand and recognize the seriousness of this moment. And the fact that they are doing all these things because they're afraid of the power of the free people. But we're only powerful if we hold on to that power.

GLENN: I want to ask you one more question. I know we're out of time, for your schedule.

Can I -- sixty seconds more, and then I'll ask you just one more question, if you have time.

Okay. Good. Back with Tulsi Gabbard here just a second.

Tulsi, when you're in town, I would love to do another podcast with you. I find you fascinating. And I actually think you could be a huge help to bringing our country back together. But time is so short here.

I wanted to ask you, you know, one of the things that if I were President Trump, I would actually consider you as a vice presidential candidate to unite the country, you know, after much discussion. But the one thing I would feel comfortable appointing you to, is Secretary of Defense.

Our military is a mess. And it's because we have all of these woke generals and all of these political appointments. They've all risen to the top. The problem is, it doesn't appear to me, below the -- the general and all of their, you know, apparatus around them.

If you were Secretary of Defense, could you clean this up?

Is it fixable?

TULSI: Yes. Yes. Unequivocally, yes.

GLENN: How?

TULSI: And your diagnosis is correct.
You know, it's not by accident that the kinds of general officers that are rising through the ranks are those who are advocating for these so-called woke CIAs, whatever -- whatever policies. The reason why they've gotten there is because of their civilian leadership. Picking and choosing people, who -- who will not -- I mean, obviously, we have a civilian-led military. Those in uniform will follow the policies that are set by civilian leaders. But these civilian leaders, Secretary Austin, and the different secretaries of each branch of the military.

They are promoting careerists, who have played it safe. Who have done whatever they needed to do, to go along and get along. To rise through the ranks. And have not been in those positions. And have intentionally so. Not been in those combat hardened positions. Where they have to make really tough choices. That may come with some backlash. But that is the definition of leadership.

And I can tell you, I know personally, a number of officers, in different branches of the military, who have been shoved out. And forced to retire, because they happen to be white males. And these are people who over the last 25 years, have deployed every single year in the most harsh combat environments. And made those tough calls between life and death.

There have been investigations because of it. But these are the people that have the kind of experience that will never be replaced. And they are getting shoved out. And they're not getting promoted. Because of this civilian leadership. At the very top of the Department of Defense.

So, yes. As a Secretary of Defense, I would 100 percent, be able to right the course. Fix what has become so broken, within our Department of Defense. And it starts with putting the right leaders, in the right places. To put our country first.

And to really care more about our troops. Than they care about how many stars they wear on their shoulders. I obviously have very strong feelings about this. Because I still serve.

And I know the mentality impact that this is having on our military. Our morale and their readiness to be able to do their job.

GLENN: Tulsi, next time you're in Dallas, please let me know. I would love to talk more about especially the military and where we're at. Thank you so much. God bless.

TULSI: I look forward to it, Glenn.

GLENN: You bet. Buh-bye.

EXCLUSIVE: Chip Roy Explains His FIERY Rejection of Spending Bill

According to the media, there’s a big fight going on between Republicans over the House’s new slimmed-down continuing resolution spending bill. Some, including President-elect Donald Trump, wanted the bill to pass. But others, like Texas Representative Chip Roy, argued that it still wasn’t ready. However, is the Republican “unity coalition” really crumbling, like the media claims? Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn to explain what’s really going on. He argues that he IS trying to give Trump and DOGE a 100-day “runway” to fix the country. But he makes the case that, by increasing the debt ceiling by $5 trillion without agreeing on other cuts, this bill gives bad actors the ability to be an “obstacle” to Trump’s agenda further down the line. Plus, he reveals to Glenn that he believes some of these bad actors LEAKED false information about his stance to Mar-a-Lago.

Transcript

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GLENN:

I think we have a great opportunity today. To show you how to have a -- tough conversation, with friends, friends. Where you deeply disagree on something.

But you know that their intent is good. They know my intent is good. Or our intent is good.

And we actually have the same end goal, but we disagree on the path. And we're going to walk away friends.

Chip Roy is joining us today. And, Chip, I love you. And I always will. And I agree with your, we've got to cut spending. We have to. But Liz Wheeler is with me. And we've been talking about it all morning. It's the -- the -- the -- the system of DOGE and Trump, the call-out to the world, in saying, you've got to surrender the Capitol. You know, the bad guys are in and about to take all the money.

Surround, and tell them, come out with your hands up. And that happened. And we scored a massive win, in an entirely new way.

Ask then you stood on principle, one we both agree with.

And it failed!

And so here's -- here's what Liz and I were talking about. Here's what we want to say to you.

And then get your response.

LIZ: Hi, Congressman Roy, this is the way I see it. I want your take on it. I love you. I think you're one of the best members of Congress. I disagree with you on the process that's happening. And I think that is the difference. The process. We elected Donald Trump to be a disruptor. Because Republican members of Congress for decades have been telling they're fiscal conservatives. They want to decrease the debt SEAL. It hasn't happened.

It hasn't -- it hasn't been done. And so Donald Trump comes in with Elon Musk, and uses this DOGE process to first identify these pieces of garbage in the first 1500-page bill. And take those things to the people. We took them to members of Congress. Congress said, okay. We'll listen to you.

So that new process was very effective.

And my question to you is: Once that process was proved to be effective. Which I think is exciting and wonderful.

How do we bridge this divide, with you, to say, okay.

Let's put some faith in this new process. And trust Elon Musk and Donald Trump and the Dow Jones process, to eventually address the debt ceiling, but get this done right now?

GLENN: And not blind trust. Chip.

CHIP: So appreciate you guys. Appreciate being on the show. Particular order. I have to go through a couple of things.

GLENN: Yep.

CHIP: Number one, it's important to remember that my job and my duty is to the Constitution, to God, and the people I represent. I told them, when I came to Washington, I would not -- I would not let the credit card and the debt ceiling and the borrowing of the United States without the spending restraints necessary to offset it.

GLENN: Okay.

CHIP: Right now, all we have are promises and ideas and notions. What I know, that neither of you respectfully no, and that none of your listeners respectfully no are the people that are in the room, that I was in with yesterday. And the day before, who are recalcitrant.

And do not want to do the spending cuts that we need to do.

That I believe the president and the DOGE guys. And everybody want to do.

My job, is to force that through the meat grinder. To demand that we do our damn job. Okay?

GLENN: Okay. So hang on. Okay. So wait. Wait. You're right. You're right. You're right. Go ahead.

CHIP: Number thee, when we were going through the bill, I'm glad the bill dropped from 1,550 pages to 116 pages. Three-quarters of Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it, have been out there spreading false facts that we supported a bad bill and didn't like the better bill.

That's not true. But let's be Lear. The 1400 pages that were cut out. It's a panacea.

There were some good stuff in there. There were some bad stuff in there. There was a lot of disinformation.

There wasn't a $70,000 pay raise. There was a 3,000-dollar pay raise.

I didn't support any pay raise. I didn't support a lot of the stuff in there.

But there's a lot of misinformation. And here's the thing: The 116 pages that were left, and I opposed violently the first bill. I was leading the charge on fighting and killing the first bill.

GLENN: And I love you.

LIZ: The second bill for 116 pages. Turned off -- turned off the pay go requirement. That we slash 1.7 trillion automatically.

And added a 5 trillion that are increase.

My view was, I could not support that, without a clear understanding of what cuts we would get, in mandatory spending next year. And undo any of the Inflation Reduction Act.

The undoing of the student loans. The undoing of the crap with the food stamps.

And everything else. I yield back.

GLENN: Okay. I yield back.

Chip, you're not in a hostile room. We love you. And we agree with your end goals. It's our end goal too. We didn't make that promise that you made to the people that voted for you. So we have more wiggle room here.

But you say -- I think our big difference is, you say, I know the guys in the room.

You're right. You do. And we -- we ceded that earlier today on the show.

You are -- one of us is wrong on trust.

I don't trust any of the weasels in Washington.

But I think Donald Trump and Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy have earned enough trust, to get a grace period, here for the first -- maybe the first year.

Or at least six months.

To turn the economy around, and also reduce the size of the government.

And totally flip this thing.

And I know, as somebody who is -- you know, run a company, mainly into a ground. But run a company, and have to switch it, in the middle, and totally reshuffle. That -- that actually costs money, while you're doing it, to bridge the gap.

Because you have to fill up holes while you're filling in the gap.

You don't trust the people in the room. Neither do we.

But we do trust the system that worked on Wednesday with DOGE and Donald Trump.

Where do we disagree?

Can you give them --

CHIP: We don't disagree. And yesterday morning, I was making that precise argument in a room full of conservatives and then a follow-up room with people who will call it, less conservatives.

GLENN: Republican. Yes.

CHIP: And so we were making this argument. And then someone infamously. Something leaked out of the room, somehow out to Mar-a-Lago. That I was being resistant. Because I was negotiating trying to get the agreement to achieve the objective that you just said. I was trying to get, okay. In fact, yesterday morning, I made the argument to a group of conservatives. We need to give the president runway. We need to give him his first 100 days. We need to appreciate JD, and Vivek, and all the people -- and everybody involved. For the president to achieve the objective.

But to get there. We have to make sure that the guys in the room, that are an obstacle to that, don't have the ability to block it.

Because information flow matters. And when those guys tell the president, they can't achieve X.

Then the president will not achieve X. Our job was to force and demand, guys, we need actual understanding of what the cuts will be.

And because otherwise, we're asking us to accept a 5 trillion-dollar limit in our credit card increase. In exchange for nothing!

Literally, in exchange for nothing, but -- but hope.

So our job was to force that change.

Unfortunately, while I was trying to make the argument that we needed something in order to get the votes, someone leaked that down to Mar-a-Lago, and the president reacted.

But now I have to now manage that.

GLENN: Right. I know. I know.

CHIP: They're trying to enforce change in town.

GLENN: So hang on.

We have to leave this. Because I'm going to run against the clock.

I could talk to you all day about this. You were in a meeting this morning about J.D. Vance. Can you tell us anything about that meeting?

CHIP: That meeting happened, because despite what happened yesterday, I'm trying to get this done. Last night, talking to JD, we worked to get this meeting done. We had some good progress this morning.

But there still remains people concerned about spending. That we can work out, what agreement we can reach. On what spending cuts. We can actually get next year, in exchange for giving the vote on a debt ceiling increase.

So it remains fluid. Progress was made. But we have to keep working on it.

And I left that meeting to talk to you. Soil get an update in a minute.

GLENN: Thank you for that, by the way.

I hear there is a new bill that may be coming today.

Is that the one you're talking about?

Or is this another bill that could be another nightmare?

CHIP: Despite other people leaking crap, I refused. I can't say, because it's not been decided by the speaker.

And it's not right to talk about things they're talking about in private meetings.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's -- it's this speaker. I mean, is he really the speaker anymore, Chip, really?

CHIP: We need to hear what bill we need to get forward. And I can't talk about the private meetings. But, look, I'm going to keep fighting for what I promised people that I represent.

I'm going to fight to cut spending. I am going to represent article one.

I'm going to support the president's agenda, but we've got to do that together.

GLENN: Okay.

Chip, thank you.

I think we can -- I think we agree, but I await to see what that means to you. Because we may just have to agree to disagree on this.

But I love you. And I still want you to replace Cornyn.

CHIP: The short version is, for inflation's sake, we cannot increase the debt ceiling $5 trillion without knowing what we're getting for it.

And I don't think anybody should disagree with that.

GLENN: But you don't disagree that Elon Musk and Trump and Vivek are serious about gutting the system.

CHIP: I believe that is their objective. I believe there are obstacles to that objective. And I need to know the sincerity of how we deal with those obstacles, both structural, and human. And we have to figure that out. And that's my job.

America's Favorite Villain Is Ready for Nuclear Fallout. Are You? | Glenn TV | Ep 401

In this episode of Glenn TV — a theatrical how-to guide to survive the breakdown of society after a nuclear attack, according to the new movie “Homestead” from Angel Studios. Glenn Beck interviews the movie’s star and executive producer, Neal McDonough, who plays the head of a family trying to survive as society is breaking down in a postapocalyptic world. You’ve probably seen Neal in everything from the hit TV shows “Yellowstone,” “Suits,” and “Justified” to movies like “Captain America,” “Minority Report,” and the groundbreaking mini-series “Band of Brothers.” Glenn asks Neal what it’s like to play a villain so often, how TV and movies are changing, and how he survived Hollywood as a devoted Christian and husband who refuses to do onscreen kissing scenes with any of his female co-stars. They also discuss his battle with alcoholism, what it’s like working the legends like Sylvester Stallone and Kevin Costner, and the cultural craving for Western cinema. Note: Angel Studios is a sponsor of “The Glenn Beck Program.” Get your tickets for “Homestead” at https://Angel.com/Beck.

Biden FLOODED the Government With DEI, But Trump Has ONE Way to Win

With just weeks left in office, President Biden (or whoever’s actually calling the shots) has decided to hire 1,200 DEI officials. Is this part of a plot to undermine Donald Trump’s plans and make it harder for him to rid the government of woke Deep State bureaucrats? Glenn and fellow BlazeTV host ‪@lizwheeler‬ discuss how other Democrats have recently proposed things like this, including a UK-style “shadow cabinet” that would oppose Trump. Liz also gives her advice to Trump on how to deal with these new DEI officials, who will be paid hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to focus on things like “health equity” …

Transcript

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GLENN: Okay. Where were we, Liz?

LIZ: The Biden administration. Although, not Biden. Because he can't tell the difference between a nickel and a dime, trying to sabotage the Trump administration.

GLENN: Yeah. So the latest on this is now Biden is hiring 1200. Biden is not doing it.

But he's hiring 1200 DEI officials, and putting them just under the appointed official. So there will be 1200.

Some of these people make almost $400,000 a year. $400,000 a year! That's your tax dollar!

Will you -- in your -- in your life, your average person, I don't know if you'll ever even -- if you'll ever even pay $400,000 in taxes?

So you could be working your whole life, for that one hire.

And he's hired 1200 of them.

And all he's trying to do is make sure the DEI positions just can't get cut.

I've got news for you.

Donald Trump is going to cut those positions.

He's going to. And it's going to get ugly.

I mean, the ACLU was all over this, saying, oh, we've got plans. We're going to -- we're going to -- this is obscene.

This is absolutely obscene. What the Democrats are trying to do. By thwarting the president.

And honestly, thwarting the will of the American people. Remember the speech that was given by I don't know, some boob from -- well, one of the Carolinas.

I don't want to besmirch the other one for electing a boob. But he was -- he was giving a speech in the well of the Senate. And he said, we need a shadow government. What?

Hold it. You mean a Deep State. Because we already have one of those. And he said. This is a quote.

One of the most obscene things I've ever heard from an elected representative. We failed to make our case. That our policies are better.

Now, in my world, growing up in America, the next sentence is: We need to sit down and talk and find out why we're out of step, with the American people.

His was, but we know we're right. So we need a shadow government, to make sure we put our policies in, anyway.

There's nothing more un-American than that.

By the way, Ted Cruz also said, he thinks there's criminal charges that could be lodged against Biden and his administration for the selling of the steel and the walls for the border.

I think so too. I think so too. He'll probably end up blanketing or pardoning everybody that has either lived by a Biden. Or a Democrat.

Worked for the administration. Everybody will get a pardon at the end.

Honestly, it's like, hey. Everybody, Oprah is here.

Look under your seats.

Because you've got a pardon. You've got a pardon. And you've got a pardon.

Ugh!

Now...

PAT: The Department of Health and Human Services on November 15th. This is posted immediately after President Trump has been reelected.

They advertised for the following position. A deputy assistant secretary for Minority Health. With a salary of up to 221 thousand dollars. This is the goal of this position.

Or this is the purpose of this position.

To, quote, promote health equity.

To promote health equity.

What does that mean?

It means racial criminalization in health care.

It means, if you are seeking, I don't know.

Think about during the pandemic. When there was limited resources. Limited beds in the emergency room.

Limited amounts of drugs and therapeutics, that people could access, in order to treat COVID when it's at its worse.

Well, now you will be screened based on the color of your skin.

That's what health equity is. Health equity is a word used to disguise the reality, that it's just -- it's socialism.

It's discrimination.

It requires, a government official to look at you, and make a decision about whether or not you are going to have access to health care that you might need, based on what you look like.

Not based on the severity of your illness. Not based on your ability to pay. Not based on your request for care. But based on the color of your skin. That's not only wrong and immoral and completely absurd, that a bureaucratic in that position would make over $221,000. That's evil. The left likes to pretend, that you're a racist. Or I'm a racist. Just for voting for Donald Trump. This is evil racism. This is the kind of stuff that we eradicated from our country.

And Biden is trying to plant the Trump administration. With these evil little minions before he leaves.

GLENN: I mean, why are we -- why are we surprised?

How many anti-slavery amendments do we have, to the Constitution.

I mean, it's amazing to me. With very few exception, after ten, most of these seem to be like, oh.

Yeah. Okay.

You're so stupid, you don't understand.

Slaves need to be free. Okay.

Then the next amendment is like, okay. All right.

Let me limp up to explain this once more.

That means, they're Americans, and can vote!

How many amendments are -- are just one after another, especially on slavery.

And, by the way, who was it that didn't understand that slaves should be freed? The Democratic Party.

It -- I swear to you, these amendments are just, God, we didn't think you would be this stupid.

It's already covered!

But let's lay it out clearly, for you.

You cannot discriminate by color! By race! By religion.

We thought that had already been covered, but apparently, not.

LIZ: What I would do if I were the Trump transition team. This is obviously a deliberate effort by the Biden administration. Because within the first ten days after the election, 33 of these jobs were posted on government websites.

So this was -- they were like, okay. Trump is coming in. Let's start ceding the deep state with these races. What I would do if I were Trump transition is I would say, we take racial equality, very seriously. We take civil rights very seriously.

In the administration, of the 47th president of the United States, and anybody who engages, especially a government official who engages in racial discrimination will be prosecuted. And prevent these people from even accepting these jobs. Because they will be threatened with legal action if they do.

GLENN: You can make a legal case. A solid, legal case, that that is exactly right. And that's what should be done.

They would be doing that to us, if we were -- if we were discriminating on race. If we were like, you know what, we're only going to hire white people.

We would go to jail.

Oh, you know what. We're just going to shuffle the deck here.

We're going to look at everybody.

But we lean towards white people.

Did you have Wheaties for breakfast?

If you had Wheaties as a childhood, you're in a different category. Okay?

I mean, we would go to jail. We would be shut down.

It's the same thing.

But don't expect the Democrats to get it.

Did you see the new -- or the DNC chair front runner?

The one they're thinking should be the head of the DNC?

He said, the problem with the election is, the convention should have featured pro-Hamas activists.

LIZ: I totally agree. That absolutely should have --
GLENN: At least they would have been honest.
LIZ: Think about how many Democrat voters, and really prominent people too.

I'm talking about Joe Rogan. I'm talking about Elon Musk. I'm talking about RFK Jr. These were fairly hard-core Democrats, who not only converted to being like, okay. We'll tolerate a Republican. Because it's not Joe Biden.

It's not Kamala Harris.

These people are the biggest supporters of President Trump right now, because of that kind of garbage. So DNC, if you are going to be radical, please be honest and tell us.

Thank you. It's just ushering new Republican voters right into our arms.

GLENN: I respect you, more than I respect people like Mike Johnson.

Mike Johnson doesn't tell me what -- he doesn't tell me what he really is.

What he really believes.

He tells me what I want to hear. I don't believe it. Then he's elected. Then he gets in.

And then he rapes you.

You know, I have much more respect for -- for people who are like, yeah. I'm pro-Hamas.

And you should elect me.

Well, I don't think I'm going to do it.

But thank you for telling me who you really are.

LIZ: Yeah. Great. Let's take all of the Democrat members of Congress. And let's Jamaal Bowman them, let's Cori Bush them.

Because as soon as they were honest about being pro-Hamas, voters were like, actually, we're good.

GLENN: Yep. Yep.

By the way, Hochul has come out. And she has now tried to stir up support to end the electoral college.

Because no offense, Wyoming, according to her words, New York voted for Kamala Harris.

You know, it is so dishonest. And this would -- this would have no space, if -- if we were actually teaching you students, what the electoral college is for.

You want to talk about fairness. Here's fairness: Should New York City dictate what all of New York does?

No!

They have representation. Of all the small towns.

All the farming towns.

Everything else.

New York City, should not be the one that tells everyone else, exactly how to live!

I think there should be electoral colleges in states now.

Because the cities are just devouring, all of the communities outside of those mega cities.

The electoral college is to make sure, that New York, California, and let me say, Texas, doesn't run over all of the other states!

And force how they're living in those cities, and those big states. In Wyoming!

Or Idaho!

Or Alabama!

Yeah. I don't have to live like you do in New York City.

I don't want to live like you do in New York City.

And we have completely different values than you do.

We should have a say, and an even, equal seat at the table.

That's why we have the electoral college. And we have the popular vote.

So you can see. And it's usually pretty close.

This time, however, Hochul, you lost the popular vote!

So you don't really have a case here, on the electoral college.

But you don't have a case.

If you're an American, you don't have a case on the electoral college anyway.

LIZ: Wait a second. Have we war gamed the scenario that you just proposed.

If there was an electoral college on the state level in California or on the state level in New York, what would the -- have we actually looked at a map here. If anybody has done this. Tag me on social media.

Because I am fascinated by this idea. I've not thought of this before. But I -- would we actually swing those states Republicans, if there was a state level?

STU: I bet we would. I bet we would.

You know, every time. Look at Wyoming.

Jackson Hole now controls Wyoming. Just controls it.

Who is -- who is so close to controlling Texas?

All the big cities.

You know, you don't have a chance. When these cities grow so large, they tip everything.

That's why we have an electoral college.

And it didn't used to be this way.

But our cities are becoming mega cities.

Almost states in and among themselves.

You -- you have to balance. Otherwise, the farmer and everybody else, that makes your life possible, in a city, gets screwed.

GLENN: And also think about cheating for a second. If you have a popular vote across the whole country, versus an electoral college system, it's a lot easier to impact the outcome of the entire presidential election because you can have one county somewhere with corrupt election officials.

And if they cheat by 10,000 votes, that could change the outcome of the election.

But if you're an electoral college, it doesn't necessarily.