RADIOMarch 08, 2023

Tucker Carlson on Jan. 6 video: ‘I know DECEPTION when I see it’

Tucker Carlson tells Glenn that the American people deserve better. It’s CLEAR the U.S. government is lying about something concerning January 6th, 2021, and the video footage Tucker has unveiled during his Fox News show this week proves it. ‘I know deception when I see it,’ he says, ‘[and] they’re ALL lying.’ Tucker explains why these lies aren’t about power or politics, but they’re about dignity and self-respect instead. He details major consequences facing Americans due to these lies, and he reveals whether others in the mainstream media have reached out to him for access to the footage as well…

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Hey, Tucker, how are you, man? Tucker.

TUCKER: Hey, Glenn. How are you doing?

GLENN: Good.
(laughter)

TUCKER: Luckily, I'll still cut off.

GLENN: This -- winner talking about this earlier today. I recognize what you're going through right now.

TUCKER: I know you do.

You're one of three people in the world, you understand.

GLENN: It is crazy. It is crazy to watch it from the outside.

So Tucker, first of all, can we just get this out of the way?

Are you saying that this was a peaceful event? Or are you saying this was a --

TUCKER: Well, of course not. Of course not.

I tried to be pretty -- I wrote those scripts myself. So any -- you know, any overstatement or errors of fact, are my fault.

But I tried to keep it specific. We focus odd a couple of individuals. Three. And they're Jacob chancily. The QAnon shaman. Brian Sicknick, the capitol police officer who died after January 6th. And Ray Epps, the mysterious figure on camera, promoting violence, who was for some reason not -- put on the FBI's Most Wanted List, and pulled off, and thanked by Democrats for his service. And we have said each of those stories, in light of the new tape that we reviewed.

And in the first case, I merely made the point, that here's a guy, Jacob Chansley. A Navy veteran. He's doing four years in prison for some species of domestic terrorism. But none of us were ever showed what he did to deserve four years in prison. Now we know.

And there's videotape of him being led around by Capitol Police, into the Senate chamber.

And at one point, they try one door, it's locked. On his behalf, they're trying to get him into the Senate chamber.

And they lead him in. It's on tape.

Then he goes into the Senate chamber and immediately says a prayer out loud of Thanksgiving for the police officers, who let him in.

GLENN: Okay. Wait. Wait. Wait.

He is -- he is being escorted by the police. But the captain of the Capitol police said, just last night, that this was to de-escalate the situation.

TUCKER: And I'm sure there was a lot of deescalation going on. I'm speaking of a very specific case. Where there was not deescalation. This was something else. I can't guess what it was. I merely put the video up. And drew my conclusions. Of course, viewers are welcome to draw their own.

Here you have is a guy, who is walking alone. There are no other protesters in the frame. And there are canine armed Capitol Police officers around him. They don't stop him. They don't try to slow him down. They don't bring him to an exterior exit. They bring him -- they lead him, trying different doors into the Senate chamber. At which point, as I said, he says a prayer, justly, of Thanksgiving for them and their assistance.

Now -- and, again, I can't even guess as to what motive it is, what we're looking at here. But I know what we're not looking at, an act of violent terrorism.

And yet, this guy is doing four years in jail. And I'm trying not to use profanity on your show. But what the heck is that, for real? What is that?

And don't tell me it's something that it's not.

And so the main conclusion that I drew, is that Chuck Schumer and the horrible Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell, filthy man.

And Mitt Romney, and Thom Tillis, and Senator Cramer. They're all lying.

They're all lying. And a lot of them are Republicans. Why are they lying about what we can see plainly?

And why didn't they want us to see it?

And again, I can't sort of fill in that blank. I can't answer that question. I know deception when I see it. It's demonstrable. It's proven. And they should, I think, be asked to explain themselves.

Like, it's not enough to say, oh, it's the worst insurrection since Gettysburg or something. Okay. Fine. Stop with the overstatement by hyperbole. And just explain to me, what I'm looking at on the screen and see it, you know.

GLENN: Tucker, because I've been in this situation before. Let me ask you: If I came to you and I gave you some edited footage of something.

And I said, no. Tucker, this is what it is. You're not going to believe this. I mean, I'm going to show you some stuff.

But this is an armed insurrection. This is really bad. Let me show you. And I've edited some tape and given it to you. If that turned out that I edited out the things that you found, would you just kind of go quiet, or would you come out and blast me to smithereens?

CAROL: I would feel deceived.

And, as you know, you worked -- you've worked in television most of your life.

You've worked around pictures. You know their power, and you know their capacity to deceive.

Nothing is more fleeting than pictures. You think you're seeing the whole story, you're not. And all of us who work in this media, know that.

And so I think keeping people above all -- and moving people, anyone who works around pictures is very aware of their power and their capacity for deception.

And so we're suspicious. Okay. You showed me those pictures. You whipped me into a lather.

But is there something you're not he showing me?

Did you edit that? And so from the very first day, I wanted to see all the video.

And I don't understand why other -- why is MSNBC and CNN.

And, you know, NBC News. And CBS. Why is no one else interested? I don't know.

GLENN: It's beyond not interested.

They -- if they were innocent of -- of this. If they were just saying, hey, we're just reporting what we have been told, and what we were given, I would feel very deceived.

And I would be the loudest in the room saying, release all of it to me.

Because what I just saw, doesn't match what you gave me.

Why aren't they standing up and defending their own honor and integrity?

TUCKER: Well, that's it. That's it. Oh, God. I'm so grateful you said that, because that's the core of it. It's not even -- thank you for saying that. It's not even about politics, partisanship, power, it's about dignity. It's about your own self-respect. I'm an adult man, I'm 53. I have four grown children. I pay my taxes. I'm a citizen, lifelong of this country. You can't lie to me. You diminish me if you do that.

If I allow you to lie, I'm no longer a free man. I'm a slave.

And that has to do with me.

It's not even about you.

If I have self-respect, then I cannot allow that to continue without me saying something about it, because I respect myself. I hold myself to higher standards.

You know, I'm not Mahatma Gandhi. I don't want to overstate my virtue. I'm not very virtuous actually. But I do have some standards of self-respect. And they don't. And it's shocking to me.

GLENN: You called the January 6th committee members liars.

Besides suggestions that, you know, Sicknick was murdered.

Not even suggestions. Claiming that.

Do you -- make the case that they're liars.

They didn't just -- you know, fib a bit. And eat around the corners. These are full-fledged liars.

TUCKER: Well, that was the stunning part to me. I've been in Washington my whole life. And my dad worked for the government. So I had a root level trust in government. Or a trust in government.

But the whole thing can't be fraudulent. Because I know the people who work there. My dad is one of them. I'm very much from that world.

So my default setting is they're not lying about anything. I never assumed that. So I was shocked to learn, that they were lying intentionally. And the way we know that, we have a very specific way of knowing that. Which is when January 6th committee researchers looked at video. They bookmarked it. They left an electronic mark on the video they watched. So we know what they watched. And then we watched it.

And so there is video of Chansley, of Ray Epps, and of Brian Sicknick, that we know they watched, that was not included in the report, that was never mentioned in the hearings. A year and a half, a thousand witnesses, 850-page report, and this video, which overturns the story they were telling, proves it was a lie.

They saw -- so I'm always hesitant to go to motive. Who understands people's motives?

You can only really guess about them.

But in this specific case, we know that they lied. And that just blew my mind.

I mean, you know, some of these guys -- if Adam Schiff lies, I think Adam Schiff -- there are spiritual forces surrounding Adam Schiff.

Like, I think he's a force of darkness. And I mean that. But is Benny Thompson evil?

I have trouble believing. I've known Liz Cheney for 25 years. Is Liz Cheney actually a liar? I just always assumed, she disagrees on the issues with me.

No, it turns out Liz Cheney is actually, affirmatively a liar.

She knew information. She withheld it, because it challenged the lie that she was telling to the public.

That just completely -- I mean, call me naive. I guess -- I'm sure everyone listening is like, how stupid are you?

Well, I guess kind of stupid. Because I was blown away by that.

GLENN: So I know you don't want to go into motivation. But this is a pretty large lie. I don't want to use big lie. Because that's what Schumer used. And Hitler used.

But it's a pretty large lie. What is the motivation?

TUCKER: Well, if you -- you know, again, I can only speculate. But I know the effects of the lie. And they're not small.

This -- this is an event, that was a complex event, many facets. And they simplified it immediately, into a good versus evil tale, as they do with everything. Partly because they lack nuance and imagination, but partly because this was a tool they were using for a purpose. It was a cudgel they were using to beat down their opponents and grab more power for themselves

And in effect, what it did, was change the definition of terrorism from something that exists in other countries, and is aimed at us, to Republican voters. Populist voters.

I shouldn't say Republican. Because Bernie Sanders voters. Trump voters.

Anybody who questions the legitimacy of the current power holders, is now redefined not as a political opponent, but as a terrorist.

And that has very specific consequences. It means all of a sudden, you can harness the world's law enforcement organization. The FBI. And the Intel agencies. CIA.

NSA. Defense intelligence. All of them. And you can harness them against your political opponents.

And that's exactly what they did. Not just in the hundreds of people that went to jail. And almost 100 who are still in jail without trial.

Political prisoners. Six months later. But all the other people who are just political activists, who have views. Honestly, people like you, like they can read your text messages.

They did read mine. NSA read my text messages, and then threatened me with them.

And I brought this to members of Congress. They had a hearing on it. NSA admitted they did it, and then nothing happened.

The director of the NSA is still in office. Like, nothing happened. And you realize, wow.

Being the largest organization in human history. Our own government, has been harnessed as a political tool. It's like the one thing you can't allow.

And we have allowed it. And it's happened with the complicity of Republicans. Certainly, with Mitch McConnell's complicit.

And that's just mind-blowing. And then it's like, well, what do I do now. I'm not going to leave America. I'm from here.

I love this country. I have four kids. I'm not going to go anywhere. I'm going to stay here.

But you really start to feel like, I've always thought I was a very patriotic person. Fly the American flag. Believe in the country. And all of a sudden, like the power centers in the country.

The -- the government, which is supposed to be nonpartisan, serving all the citizens, that's turned against me, like I'm some al-Qaeda member from Balukistan, or something? Like, what? It's very bewildering, I will say that.

GLENN: I think part of it is because we forgot what Washington said, which is government is like fire. You control it, it's fine. It controls you, it will burn everything down.

And we confused our love of the principles, of our country, with the love of -- and trust of our government. Trust the principles. Not the government.

Back with Tucker Carlson in 60 seconds.

We're moving into a moment in our country's history that might be remembered as the time when the republic fell.

I hope not. I hope to God not.

But this thing needs to be unplugged, and plugged back in, and restored to factory settings. It has to happen. I don't know how.

But it has to. We in the meantime, need to make sure that we have an alternate economy.

And we're working and supporting people who are supporting us. And working towards the same thing. And that is the restoration of our principles. In this country.

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So, Tucker, what is it that -- what -- if -- because I think you're making points that I understand. But the left intentionally is misunderstanding them. And trying to direct the conversation, into places that you're not -- you're not suggesting. What is the message that you want people to walk away with this week. What's the point of what you're doing?

TUCKER: That you're being lied to, and you deserve better. Your government is not allowed to lie to you. That's against the law. They're not allowed to lie to you.

It's the government. And you should demand better. And I would say specifically. I've alluded to it a couple of times. For people who are not, you know, supporters of President Biden.

Who think the system needs reform.

That it doesn't represent them. Serve their interests.

Those people are Republican voters. Because they have no options. They vote for the Republican Party.

Third party in a meaningful way.

And so, very specifically, they have to demand more from their own representatives, or else democracy isn't real. So representative democracy. That means, your will is expressed through the votes of the people, that you vote for to go to Washington on your behalf.

And that is absolutely not happening.

Their priorities are in a different universe from the priorities of their voters. You don't see that on the left.

Democratic politicians make some effort to represent their own voters. Republican politicians do not.

Mitch McConnell has zero interest in what you think about anything.

And that is -- that is a structural problem with the party.

And I don't know what it -- likable, what to if I cannot it. I think part of the problem is that Republican voters don't like -- the donors don't like Republican voters. They clearly don't.

You know, and the biggest donors to the Republican Party, think Republican voters are disgusting. That's a huge, huge problem. That's not true on the other side.

So I don't know. But, you know, there's kind of nothing you can do about Merrick Garland, if you're your average voter. But if you're a member of Congress, it's like not even bothering to listen to what you care about. You have a way to replace him. It's called a primary. And I don't know why that never happens. I mean, I really don't understand.

Adam Kinzinger would still be serving in the Congress, if he wasn't redistricted out of his seat. What is that?

Were the majority of Republican voters, in his district, on his side?

No. But he would have gotten reelected.

So there's a problem with our system. And I hope that could be better.

EXCLUSIVE: Chip Roy Explains His FIERY Rejection of Spending Bill

According to the media, there’s a big fight going on between Republicans over the House’s new slimmed-down continuing resolution spending bill. Some, including President-elect Donald Trump, wanted the bill to pass. But others, like Texas Representative Chip Roy, argued that it still wasn’t ready. However, is the Republican “unity coalition” really crumbling, like the media claims? Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn to explain what’s really going on. He argues that he IS trying to give Trump and DOGE a 100-day “runway” to fix the country. But he makes the case that, by increasing the debt ceiling by $5 trillion without agreeing on other cuts, this bill gives bad actors the ability to be an “obstacle” to Trump’s agenda further down the line. Plus, he reveals to Glenn that he believes some of these bad actors LEAKED false information about his stance to Mar-a-Lago.

Transcript

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GLENN:

I think we have a great opportunity today. To show you how to have a -- tough conversation, with friends, friends. Where you deeply disagree on something.

But you know that their intent is good. They know my intent is good. Or our intent is good.

And we actually have the same end goal, but we disagree on the path. And we're going to walk away friends.

Chip Roy is joining us today. And, Chip, I love you. And I always will. And I agree with your, we've got to cut spending. We have to. But Liz Wheeler is with me. And we've been talking about it all morning. It's the -- the -- the -- the system of DOGE and Trump, the call-out to the world, in saying, you've got to surrender the Capitol. You know, the bad guys are in and about to take all the money.

Surround, and tell them, come out with your hands up. And that happened. And we scored a massive win, in an entirely new way.

Ask then you stood on principle, one we both agree with.

And it failed!

And so here's -- here's what Liz and I were talking about. Here's what we want to say to you.

And then get your response.

LIZ: Hi, Congressman Roy, this is the way I see it. I want your take on it. I love you. I think you're one of the best members of Congress. I disagree with you on the process that's happening. And I think that is the difference. The process. We elected Donald Trump to be a disruptor. Because Republican members of Congress for decades have been telling they're fiscal conservatives. They want to decrease the debt SEAL. It hasn't happened.

It hasn't -- it hasn't been done. And so Donald Trump comes in with Elon Musk, and uses this DOGE process to first identify these pieces of garbage in the first 1500-page bill. And take those things to the people. We took them to members of Congress. Congress said, okay. We'll listen to you.

So that new process was very effective.

And my question to you is: Once that process was proved to be effective. Which I think is exciting and wonderful.

How do we bridge this divide, with you, to say, okay.

Let's put some faith in this new process. And trust Elon Musk and Donald Trump and the Dow Jones process, to eventually address the debt ceiling, but get this done right now?

GLENN: And not blind trust. Chip.

CHIP: So appreciate you guys. Appreciate being on the show. Particular order. I have to go through a couple of things.

GLENN: Yep.

CHIP: Number one, it's important to remember that my job and my duty is to the Constitution, to God, and the people I represent. I told them, when I came to Washington, I would not -- I would not let the credit card and the debt ceiling and the borrowing of the United States without the spending restraints necessary to offset it.

GLENN: Okay.

CHIP: Right now, all we have are promises and ideas and notions. What I know, that neither of you respectfully no, and that none of your listeners respectfully no are the people that are in the room, that I was in with yesterday. And the day before, who are recalcitrant.

And do not want to do the spending cuts that we need to do.

That I believe the president and the DOGE guys. And everybody want to do.

My job, is to force that through the meat grinder. To demand that we do our damn job. Okay?

GLENN: Okay. So hang on. Okay. So wait. Wait. You're right. You're right. You're right. Go ahead.

CHIP: Number thee, when we were going through the bill, I'm glad the bill dropped from 1,550 pages to 116 pages. Three-quarters of Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it, have been out there spreading false facts that we supported a bad bill and didn't like the better bill.

That's not true. But let's be Lear. The 1400 pages that were cut out. It's a panacea.

There were some good stuff in there. There were some bad stuff in there. There was a lot of disinformation.

There wasn't a $70,000 pay raise. There was a 3,000-dollar pay raise.

I didn't support any pay raise. I didn't support a lot of the stuff in there.

But there's a lot of misinformation. And here's the thing: The 116 pages that were left, and I opposed violently the first bill. I was leading the charge on fighting and killing the first bill.

GLENN: And I love you.

LIZ: The second bill for 116 pages. Turned off -- turned off the pay go requirement. That we slash 1.7 trillion automatically.

And added a 5 trillion that are increase.

My view was, I could not support that, without a clear understanding of what cuts we would get, in mandatory spending next year. And undo any of the Inflation Reduction Act.

The undoing of the student loans. The undoing of the crap with the food stamps.

And everything else. I yield back.

GLENN: Okay. I yield back.

Chip, you're not in a hostile room. We love you. And we agree with your end goals. It's our end goal too. We didn't make that promise that you made to the people that voted for you. So we have more wiggle room here.

But you say -- I think our big difference is, you say, I know the guys in the room.

You're right. You do. And we -- we ceded that earlier today on the show.

You are -- one of us is wrong on trust.

I don't trust any of the weasels in Washington.

But I think Donald Trump and Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy have earned enough trust, to get a grace period, here for the first -- maybe the first year.

Or at least six months.

To turn the economy around, and also reduce the size of the government.

And totally flip this thing.

And I know, as somebody who is -- you know, run a company, mainly into a ground. But run a company, and have to switch it, in the middle, and totally reshuffle. That -- that actually costs money, while you're doing it, to bridge the gap.

Because you have to fill up holes while you're filling in the gap.

You don't trust the people in the room. Neither do we.

But we do trust the system that worked on Wednesday with DOGE and Donald Trump.

Where do we disagree?

Can you give them --

CHIP: We don't disagree. And yesterday morning, I was making that precise argument in a room full of conservatives and then a follow-up room with people who will call it, less conservatives.

GLENN: Republican. Yes.

CHIP: And so we were making this argument. And then someone infamously. Something leaked out of the room, somehow out to Mar-a-Lago. That I was being resistant. Because I was negotiating trying to get the agreement to achieve the objective that you just said. I was trying to get, okay. In fact, yesterday morning, I made the argument to a group of conservatives. We need to give the president runway. We need to give him his first 100 days. We need to appreciate JD, and Vivek, and all the people -- and everybody involved. For the president to achieve the objective.

But to get there. We have to make sure that the guys in the room, that are an obstacle to that, don't have the ability to block it.

Because information flow matters. And when those guys tell the president, they can't achieve X.

Then the president will not achieve X. Our job was to force and demand, guys, we need actual understanding of what the cuts will be.

And because otherwise, we're asking us to accept a 5 trillion-dollar limit in our credit card increase. In exchange for nothing!

Literally, in exchange for nothing, but -- but hope.

So our job was to force that change.

Unfortunately, while I was trying to make the argument that we needed something in order to get the votes, someone leaked that down to Mar-a-Lago, and the president reacted.

But now I have to now manage that.

GLENN: Right. I know. I know.

CHIP: They're trying to enforce change in town.

GLENN: So hang on.

We have to leave this. Because I'm going to run against the clock.

I could talk to you all day about this. You were in a meeting this morning about J.D. Vance. Can you tell us anything about that meeting?

CHIP: That meeting happened, because despite what happened yesterday, I'm trying to get this done. Last night, talking to JD, we worked to get this meeting done. We had some good progress this morning.

But there still remains people concerned about spending. That we can work out, what agreement we can reach. On what spending cuts. We can actually get next year, in exchange for giving the vote on a debt ceiling increase.

So it remains fluid. Progress was made. But we have to keep working on it.

And I left that meeting to talk to you. Soil get an update in a minute.

GLENN: Thank you for that, by the way.

I hear there is a new bill that may be coming today.

Is that the one you're talking about?

Or is this another bill that could be another nightmare?

CHIP: Despite other people leaking crap, I refused. I can't say, because it's not been decided by the speaker.

And it's not right to talk about things they're talking about in private meetings.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's -- it's this speaker. I mean, is he really the speaker anymore, Chip, really?

CHIP: We need to hear what bill we need to get forward. And I can't talk about the private meetings. But, look, I'm going to keep fighting for what I promised people that I represent.

I'm going to fight to cut spending. I am going to represent article one.

I'm going to support the president's agenda, but we've got to do that together.

GLENN: Okay.

Chip, thank you.

I think we can -- I think we agree, but I await to see what that means to you. Because we may just have to agree to disagree on this.

But I love you. And I still want you to replace Cornyn.

CHIP: The short version is, for inflation's sake, we cannot increase the debt ceiling $5 trillion without knowing what we're getting for it.

And I don't think anybody should disagree with that.

GLENN: But you don't disagree that Elon Musk and Trump and Vivek are serious about gutting the system.

CHIP: I believe that is their objective. I believe there are obstacles to that objective. And I need to know the sincerity of how we deal with those obstacles, both structural, and human. And we have to figure that out. And that's my job.

America's Favorite Villain Is Ready for Nuclear Fallout. Are You? | Glenn TV | Ep 401

In this episode of Glenn TV — a theatrical how-to guide to survive the breakdown of society after a nuclear attack, according to the new movie “Homestead” from Angel Studios. Glenn Beck interviews the movie’s star and executive producer, Neal McDonough, who plays the head of a family trying to survive as society is breaking down in a postapocalyptic world. You’ve probably seen Neal in everything from the hit TV shows “Yellowstone,” “Suits,” and “Justified” to movies like “Captain America,” “Minority Report,” and the groundbreaking mini-series “Band of Brothers.” Glenn asks Neal what it’s like to play a villain so often, how TV and movies are changing, and how he survived Hollywood as a devoted Christian and husband who refuses to do onscreen kissing scenes with any of his female co-stars. They also discuss his battle with alcoholism, what it’s like working the legends like Sylvester Stallone and Kevin Costner, and the cultural craving for Western cinema. Note: Angel Studios is a sponsor of “The Glenn Beck Program.” Get your tickets for “Homestead” at https://Angel.com/Beck.

Biden FLOODED the Government With DEI, But Trump Has ONE Way to Win

With just weeks left in office, President Biden (or whoever’s actually calling the shots) has decided to hire 1,200 DEI officials. Is this part of a plot to undermine Donald Trump’s plans and make it harder for him to rid the government of woke Deep State bureaucrats? Glenn and fellow BlazeTV host ‪@lizwheeler‬ discuss how other Democrats have recently proposed things like this, including a UK-style “shadow cabinet” that would oppose Trump. Liz also gives her advice to Trump on how to deal with these new DEI officials, who will be paid hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to focus on things like “health equity” …

Transcript

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GLENN: Okay. Where were we, Liz?

LIZ: The Biden administration. Although, not Biden. Because he can't tell the difference between a nickel and a dime, trying to sabotage the Trump administration.

GLENN: Yeah. So the latest on this is now Biden is hiring 1200. Biden is not doing it.

But he's hiring 1200 DEI officials, and putting them just under the appointed official. So there will be 1200.

Some of these people make almost $400,000 a year. $400,000 a year! That's your tax dollar!

Will you -- in your -- in your life, your average person, I don't know if you'll ever even -- if you'll ever even pay $400,000 in taxes?

So you could be working your whole life, for that one hire.

And he's hired 1200 of them.

And all he's trying to do is make sure the DEI positions just can't get cut.

I've got news for you.

Donald Trump is going to cut those positions.

He's going to. And it's going to get ugly.

I mean, the ACLU was all over this, saying, oh, we've got plans. We're going to -- we're going to -- this is obscene.

This is absolutely obscene. What the Democrats are trying to do. By thwarting the president.

And honestly, thwarting the will of the American people. Remember the speech that was given by I don't know, some boob from -- well, one of the Carolinas.

I don't want to besmirch the other one for electing a boob. But he was -- he was giving a speech in the well of the Senate. And he said, we need a shadow government. What?

Hold it. You mean a Deep State. Because we already have one of those. And he said. This is a quote.

One of the most obscene things I've ever heard from an elected representative. We failed to make our case. That our policies are better.

Now, in my world, growing up in America, the next sentence is: We need to sit down and talk and find out why we're out of step, with the American people.

His was, but we know we're right. So we need a shadow government, to make sure we put our policies in, anyway.

There's nothing more un-American than that.

By the way, Ted Cruz also said, he thinks there's criminal charges that could be lodged against Biden and his administration for the selling of the steel and the walls for the border.

I think so too. I think so too. He'll probably end up blanketing or pardoning everybody that has either lived by a Biden. Or a Democrat.

Worked for the administration. Everybody will get a pardon at the end.

Honestly, it's like, hey. Everybody, Oprah is here.

Look under your seats.

Because you've got a pardon. You've got a pardon. And you've got a pardon.

Ugh!

Now...

PAT: The Department of Health and Human Services on November 15th. This is posted immediately after President Trump has been reelected.

They advertised for the following position. A deputy assistant secretary for Minority Health. With a salary of up to 221 thousand dollars. This is the goal of this position.

Or this is the purpose of this position.

To, quote, promote health equity.

To promote health equity.

What does that mean?

It means racial criminalization in health care.

It means, if you are seeking, I don't know.

Think about during the pandemic. When there was limited resources. Limited beds in the emergency room.

Limited amounts of drugs and therapeutics, that people could access, in order to treat COVID when it's at its worse.

Well, now you will be screened based on the color of your skin.

That's what health equity is. Health equity is a word used to disguise the reality, that it's just -- it's socialism.

It's discrimination.

It requires, a government official to look at you, and make a decision about whether or not you are going to have access to health care that you might need, based on what you look like.

Not based on the severity of your illness. Not based on your ability to pay. Not based on your request for care. But based on the color of your skin. That's not only wrong and immoral and completely absurd, that a bureaucratic in that position would make over $221,000. That's evil. The left likes to pretend, that you're a racist. Or I'm a racist. Just for voting for Donald Trump. This is evil racism. This is the kind of stuff that we eradicated from our country.

And Biden is trying to plant the Trump administration. With these evil little minions before he leaves.

GLENN: I mean, why are we -- why are we surprised?

How many anti-slavery amendments do we have, to the Constitution.

I mean, it's amazing to me. With very few exception, after ten, most of these seem to be like, oh.

Yeah. Okay.

You're so stupid, you don't understand.

Slaves need to be free. Okay.

Then the next amendment is like, okay. All right.

Let me limp up to explain this once more.

That means, they're Americans, and can vote!

How many amendments are -- are just one after another, especially on slavery.

And, by the way, who was it that didn't understand that slaves should be freed? The Democratic Party.

It -- I swear to you, these amendments are just, God, we didn't think you would be this stupid.

It's already covered!

But let's lay it out clearly, for you.

You cannot discriminate by color! By race! By religion.

We thought that had already been covered, but apparently, not.

LIZ: What I would do if I were the Trump transition team. This is obviously a deliberate effort by the Biden administration. Because within the first ten days after the election, 33 of these jobs were posted on government websites.

So this was -- they were like, okay. Trump is coming in. Let's start ceding the deep state with these races. What I would do if I were Trump transition is I would say, we take racial equality, very seriously. We take civil rights very seriously.

In the administration, of the 47th president of the United States, and anybody who engages, especially a government official who engages in racial discrimination will be prosecuted. And prevent these people from even accepting these jobs. Because they will be threatened with legal action if they do.

GLENN: You can make a legal case. A solid, legal case, that that is exactly right. And that's what should be done.

They would be doing that to us, if we were -- if we were discriminating on race. If we were like, you know what, we're only going to hire white people.

We would go to jail.

Oh, you know what. We're just going to shuffle the deck here.

We're going to look at everybody.

But we lean towards white people.

Did you have Wheaties for breakfast?

If you had Wheaties as a childhood, you're in a different category. Okay?

I mean, we would go to jail. We would be shut down.

It's the same thing.

But don't expect the Democrats to get it.

Did you see the new -- or the DNC chair front runner?

The one they're thinking should be the head of the DNC?

He said, the problem with the election is, the convention should have featured pro-Hamas activists.

LIZ: I totally agree. That absolutely should have --
GLENN: At least they would have been honest.
LIZ: Think about how many Democrat voters, and really prominent people too.

I'm talking about Joe Rogan. I'm talking about Elon Musk. I'm talking about RFK Jr. These were fairly hard-core Democrats, who not only converted to being like, okay. We'll tolerate a Republican. Because it's not Joe Biden.

It's not Kamala Harris.

These people are the biggest supporters of President Trump right now, because of that kind of garbage. So DNC, if you are going to be radical, please be honest and tell us.

Thank you. It's just ushering new Republican voters right into our arms.

GLENN: I respect you, more than I respect people like Mike Johnson.

Mike Johnson doesn't tell me what -- he doesn't tell me what he really is.

What he really believes.

He tells me what I want to hear. I don't believe it. Then he's elected. Then he gets in.

And then he rapes you.

You know, I have much more respect for -- for people who are like, yeah. I'm pro-Hamas.

And you should elect me.

Well, I don't think I'm going to do it.

But thank you for telling me who you really are.

LIZ: Yeah. Great. Let's take all of the Democrat members of Congress. And let's Jamaal Bowman them, let's Cori Bush them.

Because as soon as they were honest about being pro-Hamas, voters were like, actually, we're good.

GLENN: Yep. Yep.

By the way, Hochul has come out. And she has now tried to stir up support to end the electoral college.

Because no offense, Wyoming, according to her words, New York voted for Kamala Harris.

You know, it is so dishonest. And this would -- this would have no space, if -- if we were actually teaching you students, what the electoral college is for.

You want to talk about fairness. Here's fairness: Should New York City dictate what all of New York does?

No!

They have representation. Of all the small towns.

All the farming towns.

Everything else.

New York City, should not be the one that tells everyone else, exactly how to live!

I think there should be electoral colleges in states now.

Because the cities are just devouring, all of the communities outside of those mega cities.

The electoral college is to make sure, that New York, California, and let me say, Texas, doesn't run over all of the other states!

And force how they're living in those cities, and those big states. In Wyoming!

Or Idaho!

Or Alabama!

Yeah. I don't have to live like you do in New York City.

I don't want to live like you do in New York City.

And we have completely different values than you do.

We should have a say, and an even, equal seat at the table.

That's why we have the electoral college. And we have the popular vote.

So you can see. And it's usually pretty close.

This time, however, Hochul, you lost the popular vote!

So you don't really have a case here, on the electoral college.

But you don't have a case.

If you're an American, you don't have a case on the electoral college anyway.

LIZ: Wait a second. Have we war gamed the scenario that you just proposed.

If there was an electoral college on the state level in California or on the state level in New York, what would the -- have we actually looked at a map here. If anybody has done this. Tag me on social media.

Because I am fascinated by this idea. I've not thought of this before. But I -- would we actually swing those states Republicans, if there was a state level?

STU: I bet we would. I bet we would.

You know, every time. Look at Wyoming.

Jackson Hole now controls Wyoming. Just controls it.

Who is -- who is so close to controlling Texas?

All the big cities.

You know, you don't have a chance. When these cities grow so large, they tip everything.

That's why we have an electoral college.

And it didn't used to be this way.

But our cities are becoming mega cities.

Almost states in and among themselves.

You -- you have to balance. Otherwise, the farmer and everybody else, that makes your life possible, in a city, gets screwed.

GLENN: And also think about cheating for a second. If you have a popular vote across the whole country, versus an electoral college system, it's a lot easier to impact the outcome of the entire presidential election because you can have one county somewhere with corrupt election officials.

And if they cheat by 10,000 votes, that could change the outcome of the election.

But if you're an electoral college, it doesn't necessarily.