The International Criminal Court has accused Israel of committing genocide in Gaza and is even seeking an arrest warrant for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. But are the cries of “genocide” accurate? As the media keeps “all eyes on Rafah,” Glenn speaks with acclaimed historian Edwin Black to get the truth. Black explains whether Israel has met the 5 qualifications of genocide, why the ICC doesn’t even have jurisdiction over this debate, and how all of this have affected Jews around the world. Plus, he also argues that President Biden doesn’t even care about the Palestinians. Instead, he has another “two-state solution” in mind.

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GLENN: A man who I have tremendous respect for, because of his overall body of work, he has more than 2.2 million books in print. For half a century, he has worked and focus odd human rights. Genocide.

Organized hate. Corporate criminality. And corruption. Governmental misconduct. Academic fraud.

All of it. Been nominated 14 times for a Pulitzer prize. And I don't believe has ever won, one. Which is an amazing -- just an amazing thing, because I've read his books.

And they are important. Edwin Black. Welcome to the program, sir. How are you?

EDWIN: I'm fine. And thank you very much for having me, Glenn. And all the work that you do.

GLENN: Yeah. Thank you. So I want to talk to you a little bit about the -- the organization of this takedown of Israel. What we had a fire now in -- somebody set the embassy in Mexico on fire.

The Israeli embassy.

They're threatening to do it here.

And at the same time, the International Criminal Court is going after Benjamin Netanyahu, and I believe -- I believe we didn't try to stop that, at best.

EDWIN: Well, you're absolutely correct.

Not only did we not try to stop it. We orchestrated it.

So there are two different courts, which are confusing people. And which have absolutely no jurisdiction, in the false charge of genocide against Israel.

The first one is the international court of justice. This is traffic court.

This -- this court was established, in the early 20th century, to solve border disputes, contractural breaches.

Tax levies. And other matters between countries. It has no prosecutor.

It has no enforcement arm.

And it has never considered all of the many genocides in the 20th century. Not the rape of in an -- the rape of Nanking. The massacre of 80,000 Jews by Ukrainians.

It -- nothing against the Nazis. And, in fact, it took the -- the -- because there was no actual arm of investigation and prosecution, for crimes against humanity, it was the United States military, that established the IMT. The -- the international military tribunal. Often known as Nuremberg. To try the perpetrators of the Third Reich.

And they established a separate one, for the Japanese.

GLENN: So is this the ICC, or the ICJ?

EDWIN: This is the ICJ. The International Court of Justice.

GLENN: And which is going after -- are both of them going after Netanyahu?

EDWIN: Both of them. Both of them. And neither have them have jurisdiction. Basically, what South Africa did, was they put up the false claim. That everyone has agreed to not commit genocide. And Israel breached its contractural duty.

GLENN: You know, when you look up genocide and the steps to genocide, I believe you're the guy who invented, or -- or wrote the original -- what is it, seven or eight steps to genocide. Are you not?

EDWIN: Well, of course, I identified the six steps, that IBM took to organize the Nazi genocide against the Jews.

But the five qualifications of genocide, require a deliberate act. Which, by the way, was written on the campus of Duke University.

GLENN: Okay.
EDWIN: The five steps require a deliberate intention to destroy a people and/or to call for the destruction of people.

And that would include not only Goebbels, calling for the Jews to be destroyed.

But Rashida Tlaib, calling for, from the river to the sea. Palestine will be free.

So the International Court of Justice is a show trial, in a traffic court of international jurisprudence. Israel is cooperating. And it's stacked against them.

Now we go to the International Criminal Court.

The International Criminal Court, did not exist until a couple of years -- a couple of years ago.

It -- it established a lone statute. Which 124 countries, have accepted. And the United States is not one of them.

And Israel is not one of them. And Palestine, a non-state, a territory, a region, is also not one of them.

In fact, when you go to the official list of the ICC of member states. Palestine is not one of them. And this organization is seeking not only to bring Israel down, but it is seeking to bring American service men down. Especially, those who served in Afghanistan, and this is why the prior administration of the United States, sanctioned the ICC.

GLENN: Yeah. Now, you say that we helped orchestrate this, that Biden encouraged these warrants.

EDWIN: Yes. There has been a concerted -- that basically Biden is not concerned about the Palestinian state.

Its two-state solution is Minnesota and Michigan.
(laughter)

EDWIN: He's -- he's concerned about the 200,000 votes in Michigan, which is a swing state.

Which have vowed to not vote for Biden.

Even if it means electing Trump, as a punishment, or a warning to a Democratic Party. Which they've just announced. It's all very public.

In which, they will complete their takeover. Of the Democratic Party.

And engage in the disposition of the Jews in America.

And the disposition of America, from sea to shining sea.

And so, everything that is being said by the administration now, is walking between these two-third rails. The pro-Jewish majority in the United States, which is upward of 70 percent, and the need to curry favor with the Michigan votes.

GLENN: So have you ever looked -- have you ever looked into the -- the psychological game or reason, that, you know, when -- when persecution is happening, like it is now. I would think, if I were a Jew. I would be freaking out, right now.

And I -- I would be thinking, where could I go?

You know, you're leaving America. I don't know where else you would go. But so many Jews will just continue to go down the same path with the same leaders that are clearly against. That are siding with the people who do want genocide with all the Jews. Why does that happen?

EDWIN: It's quite a correct observation by you. I remember the last time, that I was on your show.

It was last -- it was one of the last times. It was last year.

GLENN: Yeah.

EDWIN: And there were people in your audience, who were from Oklahoma. Offering me a basement. To hide in.

Right after your show, I had a meeting with Jewish leaders in Dallas. And these are Texans. And they were asking me, what country will take us in? I'm in touch with Jewish leadership. All over the world.

On a minute-to-minute basis. And I can tell you, this is on everyone's mind. It's on my show, tomorrow.

The Edwin Black Show. We will be discussing, not only the Farhud.

Which is for the -- established by International Farhud Day. But that the Farhud.

This pogrom, is coming, not to the Middle East next, but to the United States next.

GLENN: Explain what the Farhud. Explain what the Farhud is.

This is -- this is a great book of yours. Explain in two minutes, if you can. What the Farhud is.

EDWIN: Well, the Farhud was the Arab Nazi pogrom of June 1st, June 2nd, that was the beginning of the end of the 2700 year dwelling of the Jews, in Iraq.

During this two-day monstrosity, this is how it's been described for years.

So it may sound eerily familiar. Parents were killed in front of their children. Children were killed in front of their parents. Babies were beheaded. Women were raped, en masse.

And I know what that sounds like.

GLENN: October 6th.

EDWIN: That sounds not like 1949. That sounds like October 7th, 2023.

GLENN: So do you think though, that Jews in America, are waking up and saying, wait a minute. These -- the people who I have always thought are our friends, are maybe not our friends.

EDWIN: They're waking up, not en masse. They're waking up, en slow.

One by one. I received a call from one of my supporters, who is fervently, and dramatically anti-Trump. And pro-Biden.

Several days ago when I was in Israel, he ended up visiting these massacre sites.

And this guy said, I just realized that if the election goes the wrong way, Israel and the Jews are finished.

And that is exactly what is in the it became plan. The State Department is stuck with leadership, for students with justice in Palestine.

People who are avowed and public anti-Semites. And anti-Israel activists. And believe you me, if the wrong people get into power, by this time next -- next year, there will be an active program to destroy Israel, within weeks. By recognizing Hamas, arming Hamas, supplying -- supplying aid. A munitions train, to Hamas.

Making -- sanctioning Israel, its leadership, and the Jews in America, who support Israel which are the overwhelming number of Jews.

GLENN: Well, I -- I will tell you. Edwin, I -- I pray that you're wrong. You're usually not. But I pray that you're very wrong on that.

EDWIN: I need to be wrong. I need to be wrong.

GLENN: I know you do. But I also want you to know, like, for instance, there's 12 million people in just this audience on radio alone. And I believe that there are tons of good Americans, that will not allow what happened before, to happen again, at least in our own country.

But I pray for that. I pray that you're wrong. Edwin, thank you for everything. I know I tell you this every time, but I mean it so sincerely.
What you've done, to open eyes, about history. There are very few people in my book, that have done as much as you have. And I so appreciate it. Thank you.

EDWIN: Thank you, very much, Glenn.

GLENN: You bet. Edwin Black.

IBM and the Holocaust. The Farhud.

That's a book you should read. It kind of explains an awful lot of what's happening now. And you can find him at EdwinBlack.com. EdwinBlack.com. All right.