RADIOMarch 20, 2023

Why a Trump indictment would make America a BANANA REPUBLIC

What is the far-left accusing Donald Trump of NOW? And will the former president truly be indicted? If so, what does this mean for America’s future? Alan Dershowitz, Harvard Law School Professor Emeritus and author of ‘Get Trump,’ joins Glenn to explain why this latest move from the far-left is ‘destroying the rule of law in America.’ He explains the exact charges the left intends to pit against Trump this time around, and why — if they’re successful — it could send our nation towards becoming a banana republic…

Transcript

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GLENN: Mr. Alan Dershowitz. How are you, sir?

ALAN: I am doing great. I wish the country were doing great. I think the impending prosecution of Donald Trump will destroy the rule of law, in America. Which is why I wrote my book, get Trump.

Because that's what they're doing. They're focusing on a person rather than a crime.

You know, the Torah, the Bible one, don't take bribes. That's obvious.

The other is do not recognize faces. Do not do justice based on who the person is. That's a problems in the Bible. That's a prohibition in the constitutionally. it's a prohibition into the rule of law.

And yet, the district attorney of Manhattan, ignoring previous district attorneys. Ignoring the US attorney's office. The Justice Department. Is going after a made-up crime. A crime that does not exist. It's part of the bet Trump.

And if you want to protest get Trump. Michael get Trump.

That will send a message, that will approve of that.

GLENN: Which a few years ago, it would have happened. But I don't think they're going to do it this time. Because we know this federal government. This Justice Department, does not protect the lawful gathering of American citizens to speak their voice.

We also are concerned about, is that an FBI guy, who is trying to get the crowd all whipped up into a frenzy?

I mean, we don't believe our rights are protected as an average citizen anymore. That's a frightening place to be in America.

ALAN: And it's not only the Justice Department. It's the New York City the attorney general of New York ran on the campaign of get Trump. That's where I I got the title of my book from. Her campaign, get Trump. Promise to get Trump no matter what. Constitutionally be damned. The Bill of Rights be damned. get Trump. That's the most important thing, to stop him from realizing. Of course, the irony is constitutionally provides for only, you know, a hand handful for bases for running. You have to be against the North.

And you have to have been been born in America. And he satisfies all of that criteria. So stibbling run.

And this may backfire on Democrats who are abusing the law to get Trump.

And I hope that does. And I hope that maybe the district attorney will listen to reason. And will not indict him.

You know, justice Jackson once said, that any prosecutor can rummage among the hundreds of statutes that you have. And try to find something against anybody. Not just Trump. Not just Hillary Clinton.

But you and me. And your uncle Charlie and grandson. They can find something. And if this prosecution is allowed to go forward, and culminate in the conviction. It will mean that they will start making crimes up against the average person, who they don't like.

GLENN: Can you -- can you take us through this at all, Alan.

Because people will say, okay. I don't think you should be paying hush money. Is that illegal? What charges are they so that we don't

ALAN: Sure. It's never been done before, number one. So they're charging him with a misdemeanor. Misdemeanor six years ago. They are trying to turn the misdemeanor into a felony, by saying that the reason he paid, quote, hush money. It wasn't hush money. But the reason he settled the case was to help his campaign, rather than to avoid embarrassment with his wife and his family. his children, et cetera.

They're not going to be able to a prosecutor can a little grandly Jill to indict a ham sandwich.

And in New York, you can do probably get a petit jury to change sandwich, as long as his name is Trump.

So there is a possibility that he will get indicted and get convicted. I think it will reverse on appeal. in making up crimes. This is making up crime.

So they say that he paid the hush money, in order to help his campaign. And therefore, the payment was a campaign contribution.

It's never been done before. They tried it once before, on candidate Edwards. And it was a much, much stronger case. And, of course, they lost in front of a jury.

But it's never been tried since. And that was a federal crime.

This is a state crime. And it's a shame that a district attorney would abuse justice so greatly. And it endangers justice for all of us.

GLENN: So, Alan, where is anyone?

When we get to a place to where we're taking out our opponents.

I mean, I spoke to Mike Lee about this. With Hillary Clinton. And what was going on with Hillary Clinton. And he said, Glenn, once you start going after an opponent, you become a banana republic, the republican is just over.
because the retribution. The other side will say, oh, we're playing that? once said, well, my friends everything. For my enemies, the law. The law.

And that's what will happen.

And senator Lee is right. Senator Lee's father is a good friend of mine. We clerked technology on the United States Supreme Court. And Lee is a Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton guy. And he's right, we don't want to be a banana republic on either side.

GLENN: So my question to you is: Where are the classical liberals?

Where are the people that don't like Donald Trump? But will stand up and say, this is about principle here?

SPEAKER ONE: Well, you're talking to them. I'm the last standing, oh, I may have a handful of colleagues.

But where are the civil liberties union people?

Where are people who are supposed to care more about our liberty than they do about partisan politics?

They have disappeared. They're not there.

And that's not why I'm the one writing the books now. Get Trump. I'm the one who is trying as a liberal Democrat. As I said over and over again.

I voted for Trump twice. I have a constitutional right to vote and don't stop me from doing that. Don't stop me from making the disquisition run, formal president.

That is banana republic. And we're moving toward that. And it has to stop. And there's no mechanism.

You know, in California, there was a mechanism. You could withdraw and remove the district attorney. And if New York had a Republican attorney, they would be removing the district attorney.

But the democratic and no recall improvements district attorney gets his way. And there will probably be an indictment. I don't know if it will be tomorrow or not. I don't know if they'll do a pepper strengthen Donald Trump's base. People will be so angry with them. I've got call you wills from people. look, we're oops. We were plan oops we were planning to vote for Nikki Haley. But we'll vote for Trump. Because that's the and weaponization of the law.

You know, I have a better form of protest. Buy my book. Then you don't have to vote for Trump.

But it is -- it will backfire. Now, will it backfire in New York?

Probably not. he gets his 15 minutes of fame.

Even if it's reversed on appeal. He'll say, oh, that's not my fault.

I indicted him. I convicted him. Vote for me. We're the only country, did you know this, the only country in the western hemisphere? The only country among Democrats that elect prosecutors. Elect prosecutors. And every other country, they are civil service jobs.

And they are not subject to -- for the whims of political fortunes.

But we have elected prosecutors. And prosecutors prosecute people, based on how much good it will do them in the next election. And there's something very wrong with that.

GLENN: Well, the whole system, I've said, have you tried plugging it back in to factory is that we told them to happen. It is so dirty all the way through.

So -- so, Alan, what should the -- besides biker book, what should the American people be doing right now?

ALAN: Well, we should be protesting. I don't call for people going out on the streets. But I do call for people to write to their senators and congressmen, the New York authorities, evangelizing shows like yours, which have a big impact on national opinion. And making sure that we're not silent about this. We have to speakable out. And your message is as clear as can be. Where are the civilian Libertarians? Where are the people saying, look, I'm in favor of Biden. I will vote for him.

I don't like Trump. But I don't like the way he's

SPEAKER SEVEN: That's the American way. The American way is to protest. for a redress of grievances.

That's in the First Amendment.

And we have to all take advantage of that. We do have a double standard of justice in America today.

I'm representing one of the young men on January 6th. He's a law school student. He was denied the opportunity to graduate. Even though he was a top student.

Because he went to the capital, to and then he was waved into the capital by police. We have videotape showing it.

Yet he's problematical formal a felony.

Whereas, the people who destroyed property and hurt people, in various parts of the country, following the George Floyd murder, weren't being prosecuted.

Were they do ways. sole that means no standards.

EXCLUSIVE: Chip Roy Explains His FIERY Rejection of Spending Bill

According to the media, there’s a big fight going on between Republicans over the House’s new slimmed-down continuing resolution spending bill. Some, including President-elect Donald Trump, wanted the bill to pass. But others, like Texas Representative Chip Roy, argued that it still wasn’t ready. However, is the Republican “unity coalition” really crumbling, like the media claims? Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn to explain what’s really going on. He argues that he IS trying to give Trump and DOGE a 100-day “runway” to fix the country. But he makes the case that, by increasing the debt ceiling by $5 trillion without agreeing on other cuts, this bill gives bad actors the ability to be an “obstacle” to Trump’s agenda further down the line. Plus, he reveals to Glenn that he believes some of these bad actors LEAKED false information about his stance to Mar-a-Lago.

Transcript

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GLENN:

I think we have a great opportunity today. To show you how to have a -- tough conversation, with friends, friends. Where you deeply disagree on something.

But you know that their intent is good. They know my intent is good. Or our intent is good.

And we actually have the same end goal, but we disagree on the path. And we're going to walk away friends.

Chip Roy is joining us today. And, Chip, I love you. And I always will. And I agree with your, we've got to cut spending. We have to. But Liz Wheeler is with me. And we've been talking about it all morning. It's the -- the -- the -- the system of DOGE and Trump, the call-out to the world, in saying, you've got to surrender the Capitol. You know, the bad guys are in and about to take all the money.

Surround, and tell them, come out with your hands up. And that happened. And we scored a massive win, in an entirely new way.

Ask then you stood on principle, one we both agree with.

And it failed!

And so here's -- here's what Liz and I were talking about. Here's what we want to say to you.

And then get your response.

LIZ: Hi, Congressman Roy, this is the way I see it. I want your take on it. I love you. I think you're one of the best members of Congress. I disagree with you on the process that's happening. And I think that is the difference. The process. We elected Donald Trump to be a disruptor. Because Republican members of Congress for decades have been telling they're fiscal conservatives. They want to decrease the debt SEAL. It hasn't happened.

It hasn't -- it hasn't been done. And so Donald Trump comes in with Elon Musk, and uses this DOGE process to first identify these pieces of garbage in the first 1500-page bill. And take those things to the people. We took them to members of Congress. Congress said, okay. We'll listen to you.

So that new process was very effective.

And my question to you is: Once that process was proved to be effective. Which I think is exciting and wonderful.

How do we bridge this divide, with you, to say, okay.

Let's put some faith in this new process. And trust Elon Musk and Donald Trump and the Dow Jones process, to eventually address the debt ceiling, but get this done right now?

GLENN: And not blind trust. Chip.

CHIP: So appreciate you guys. Appreciate being on the show. Particular order. I have to go through a couple of things.

GLENN: Yep.

CHIP: Number one, it's important to remember that my job and my duty is to the Constitution, to God, and the people I represent. I told them, when I came to Washington, I would not -- I would not let the credit card and the debt ceiling and the borrowing of the United States without the spending restraints necessary to offset it.

GLENN: Okay.

CHIP: Right now, all we have are promises and ideas and notions. What I know, that neither of you respectfully no, and that none of your listeners respectfully no are the people that are in the room, that I was in with yesterday. And the day before, who are recalcitrant.

And do not want to do the spending cuts that we need to do.

That I believe the president and the DOGE guys. And everybody want to do.

My job, is to force that through the meat grinder. To demand that we do our damn job. Okay?

GLENN: Okay. So hang on. Okay. So wait. Wait. You're right. You're right. You're right. Go ahead.

CHIP: Number thee, when we were going through the bill, I'm glad the bill dropped from 1,550 pages to 116 pages. Three-quarters of Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it, have been out there spreading false facts that we supported a bad bill and didn't like the better bill.

That's not true. But let's be Lear. The 1400 pages that were cut out. It's a panacea.

There were some good stuff in there. There were some bad stuff in there. There was a lot of disinformation.

There wasn't a $70,000 pay raise. There was a 3,000-dollar pay raise.

I didn't support any pay raise. I didn't support a lot of the stuff in there.

But there's a lot of misinformation. And here's the thing: The 116 pages that were left, and I opposed violently the first bill. I was leading the charge on fighting and killing the first bill.

GLENN: And I love you.

LIZ: The second bill for 116 pages. Turned off -- turned off the pay go requirement. That we slash 1.7 trillion automatically.

And added a 5 trillion that are increase.

My view was, I could not support that, without a clear understanding of what cuts we would get, in mandatory spending next year. And undo any of the Inflation Reduction Act.

The undoing of the student loans. The undoing of the crap with the food stamps.

And everything else. I yield back.

GLENN: Okay. I yield back.

Chip, you're not in a hostile room. We love you. And we agree with your end goals. It's our end goal too. We didn't make that promise that you made to the people that voted for you. So we have more wiggle room here.

But you say -- I think our big difference is, you say, I know the guys in the room.

You're right. You do. And we -- we ceded that earlier today on the show.

You are -- one of us is wrong on trust.

I don't trust any of the weasels in Washington.

But I think Donald Trump and Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy have earned enough trust, to get a grace period, here for the first -- maybe the first year.

Or at least six months.

To turn the economy around, and also reduce the size of the government.

And totally flip this thing.

And I know, as somebody who is -- you know, run a company, mainly into a ground. But run a company, and have to switch it, in the middle, and totally reshuffle. That -- that actually costs money, while you're doing it, to bridge the gap.

Because you have to fill up holes while you're filling in the gap.

You don't trust the people in the room. Neither do we.

But we do trust the system that worked on Wednesday with DOGE and Donald Trump.

Where do we disagree?

Can you give them --

CHIP: We don't disagree. And yesterday morning, I was making that precise argument in a room full of conservatives and then a follow-up room with people who will call it, less conservatives.

GLENN: Republican. Yes.

CHIP: And so we were making this argument. And then someone infamously. Something leaked out of the room, somehow out to Mar-a-Lago. That I was being resistant. Because I was negotiating trying to get the agreement to achieve the objective that you just said. I was trying to get, okay. In fact, yesterday morning, I made the argument to a group of conservatives. We need to give the president runway. We need to give him his first 100 days. We need to appreciate JD, and Vivek, and all the people -- and everybody involved. For the president to achieve the objective.

But to get there. We have to make sure that the guys in the room, that are an obstacle to that, don't have the ability to block it.

Because information flow matters. And when those guys tell the president, they can't achieve X.

Then the president will not achieve X. Our job was to force and demand, guys, we need actual understanding of what the cuts will be.

And because otherwise, we're asking us to accept a 5 trillion-dollar limit in our credit card increase. In exchange for nothing!

Literally, in exchange for nothing, but -- but hope.

So our job was to force that change.

Unfortunately, while I was trying to make the argument that we needed something in order to get the votes, someone leaked that down to Mar-a-Lago, and the president reacted.

But now I have to now manage that.

GLENN: Right. I know. I know.

CHIP: They're trying to enforce change in town.

GLENN: So hang on.

We have to leave this. Because I'm going to run against the clock.

I could talk to you all day about this. You were in a meeting this morning about J.D. Vance. Can you tell us anything about that meeting?

CHIP: That meeting happened, because despite what happened yesterday, I'm trying to get this done. Last night, talking to JD, we worked to get this meeting done. We had some good progress this morning.

But there still remains people concerned about spending. That we can work out, what agreement we can reach. On what spending cuts. We can actually get next year, in exchange for giving the vote on a debt ceiling increase.

So it remains fluid. Progress was made. But we have to keep working on it.

And I left that meeting to talk to you. Soil get an update in a minute.

GLENN: Thank you for that, by the way.

I hear there is a new bill that may be coming today.

Is that the one you're talking about?

Or is this another bill that could be another nightmare?

CHIP: Despite other people leaking crap, I refused. I can't say, because it's not been decided by the speaker.

And it's not right to talk about things they're talking about in private meetings.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's -- it's this speaker. I mean, is he really the speaker anymore, Chip, really?

CHIP: We need to hear what bill we need to get forward. And I can't talk about the private meetings. But, look, I'm going to keep fighting for what I promised people that I represent.

I'm going to fight to cut spending. I am going to represent article one.

I'm going to support the president's agenda, but we've got to do that together.

GLENN: Okay.

Chip, thank you.

I think we can -- I think we agree, but I await to see what that means to you. Because we may just have to agree to disagree on this.

But I love you. And I still want you to replace Cornyn.

CHIP: The short version is, for inflation's sake, we cannot increase the debt ceiling $5 trillion without knowing what we're getting for it.

And I don't think anybody should disagree with that.

GLENN: But you don't disagree that Elon Musk and Trump and Vivek are serious about gutting the system.

CHIP: I believe that is their objective. I believe there are obstacles to that objective. And I need to know the sincerity of how we deal with those obstacles, both structural, and human. And we have to figure that out. And that's my job.

America's Favorite Villain Is Ready for Nuclear Fallout. Are You? | Glenn TV | Ep 401

In this episode of Glenn TV — a theatrical how-to guide to survive the breakdown of society after a nuclear attack, according to the new movie “Homestead” from Angel Studios. Glenn Beck interviews the movie’s star and executive producer, Neal McDonough, who plays the head of a family trying to survive as society is breaking down in a postapocalyptic world. You’ve probably seen Neal in everything from the hit TV shows “Yellowstone,” “Suits,” and “Justified” to movies like “Captain America,” “Minority Report,” and the groundbreaking mini-series “Band of Brothers.” Glenn asks Neal what it’s like to play a villain so often, how TV and movies are changing, and how he survived Hollywood as a devoted Christian and husband who refuses to do onscreen kissing scenes with any of his female co-stars. They also discuss his battle with alcoholism, what it’s like working the legends like Sylvester Stallone and Kevin Costner, and the cultural craving for Western cinema. Note: Angel Studios is a sponsor of “The Glenn Beck Program.” Get your tickets for “Homestead” at https://Angel.com/Beck.