RADIOOctober 16, 2023

Second Armenian genocide? Ancient Christian population TARGETED in Middle East

As the world reacts to the horrors committed by Hamas in Israel, Glenn wants to bring attention to another tragedy as well: Azerbaijan's continued genocide of the Armenian people. Former International Religious Freedom Ambassador at Large Samuel Brownback joins Glenn to explain the current crisis as Azerbaijan attempts to cut off an Armenian enclave: "This is yet another ancient Christian population being driven out of the Middle East region." And he argues that this is yet another move by the "Axis of Evil" countries to gain power around the world as the United States looks the other way. So, what should the country — and we the people — do?

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Something that hasn't gotten attention, that should have is what's happening in Armenia. And all I can think of is -- Kurcrapistan.

But it's Azerbaijan. Thank you, Stu.

In Azerbaijan. There's a liquidation going on. A genocide going on.

Again, of the Armenian people. The Armenian people are the first -- that's the first Christian nation on earth.

And it is the -- it is the Armenian Genocide. Around World War I, that actually taught Hitler, I can go just erase a whole bunch of people, and the world won't say anything about it.

You know, when they say that history repeats itself, some will say, no, it doesn't. Well, maybe it rhymes.

This is history repeating itself.

Currently, under the gun. The liquidation of Christians, Armenian Christians, and Jews.

Ambassador Brownback is with us now. Sam Brownback. He's the National Committee for the Religious Freedom -- he's chairman of that.

He's also an ambassador at large and former Kansas governor and good friend of the program. Sam, how are you, sir?

SAM: Hey, I'm doing well, Glenn. And thank you for addressing this topic. It's just getting precious little play, and more people need to know about.

GLENN: We have been following it, from really the beginning. We've been doing it quietly. Because there's not a lot of people that know about it. And it's getting no play. And it needs to be understood.

So you were just there. Can you -- you can tell us what's happening?

SAM: Yes. You've got Turkey. Basically, behind Azerbaijan. And it's best to think of Azerbaijan like Belarus is to Russia. Turkey is the puppet master here.

And they are pushing and allowing and giving military armament to Azerbaijan, as we have.

And they're -- they're pushing to have this done, while the Biden administration is looking another way. Or is being reckless in our response.

That's basically what has happened. They have long-term wanted Armenia and these Christian enclaves out of there. It's a bone in their throat. Erdogan, the head of Turkey is an Islamist. He wants to take over the world. Certainly, this region. And he's doing this while the United States is distracted.

GLENN: We have 100,000 refugees in you, from this region in Azerbaijan.

It is -- it's almost like a Native American reservation here in America. It's right smack in the middle, surrounded by Azerbaijan.

But it's Armenian. And there's this corridor, that connects to Armenia. And they have been starving these people out.

They have been cutting off everything.

About 100,000 have escaped. How many more are there?

SAM: Probably 20,000, that are still there.

But here again, Glenn, and this is the big point to me, is this is yet another ancient Christian population, being driven out of this Middle East, kind of extended region.

And what will happen, they will go to Armenia.

They'll be absorbed into Europe, into the United States. Australia, Canada, but it will be another one gone.

And we just kind of -- we have had tools to sanctions Azerbaijan, to sanction Turkey.

To press, and put some real teeth out there.

We can stop the army in Azerbaijan, and we have not used any of these tools that are readily available to the administration.

GLENN: How connected is this, to what's happening in Israel?

SAM: Well, I argued that Armenia is to Christendom, what Israel is to Judaism. It's kind of the first, and Israel is the only Jewish nation, and Armenia is the first. And you've got Muslim populations surrounding both.

Trying to kick them out.

And this is a play you see often, in the Middle East.

Where there's just not tolerance for Christians or Jews. And that's why I've been pushing so much for religious freedom for everybody, everywhere. And this is the standard by which governments and nations should stand by.

And we're certainly not seeing it taking place in either of these situations.

GLENN: Talking to ambassador Sam Brownback.

Sam, the -- the administration, you know, you say is asleep at the switch.

But I have a hard time believing that all of these things. I mean, if you see what is -- how much money this administration has been sending Iran without us even really knowing it. They're on the wrong side of things.

But would you say that this is the way the world looks? If we don't turn America around?

SAM: Yes. Look, what you've -- you've got an axis of evil. Evil axis. Malign evil. Whatever you want to call it. Between Iran, Russia, and China.

And they are out to take over the world.

And they have been losing ground.

But now, they are out there pushing to gain background.

So Russia goes after Ukraine.

Iran is behind Hamas and Hezbollah. And pushing on Israel.

Turkey, a regional player, is saying, let's go get these Armenians, which we have wanted to do, for a thousand years.

Let's do it now. While we have an administration in Washington, that won't -- that won't fight back.

Did use the tools that is available.

And I have no idea, honestly, Glenn. Why the Biden administration isn't doing more. They have the tools.

We have the ability to do this.

And we're simply not acting here.

GLENN: What do you suggest, Sam?

What can we do?

What can people do?

SAM: Well, they can push Congress.

And I -- I hope people, even will write the administration.

But they can -- Congress can step up and do -- and put this a lot more out there, on the -- on the map.

Would be something that people could help -- could help out with.

Because we've got to sanction Azerbaijan. We have to sanction Turkey.

And, right now, we have to really go after Iran. They're the puppet master on Hamas and Hezbollah. Hamas and Hezbollah do not act without Iran.

And we have been sending money to Iran. Instead of sanctioning Iran, as you point out.

This has to stop. And people need to yell about it. And call into radio programs. And put it out on their social media.

Iran and this axis of evil. And Turkey as a regional player, just seeking to take over the world, while we're not acting at all.

GLENN: Sam, I appreciate everything that you guys are doing.

You can tell me a little bit about the 125 reasons coalition?

ANN: It's a group of Christians and Jews, primarily, that are trying to stand up for this ancient, Christian population.

And saying, they need to be able to live, in their native homeland. That's been native to them. For thousands of years.

And not being driven out. And that's what this coalition is standing up and pushing.

And it's one of the coalitions that is trying to get some publicity. Some knowledge of the people out there. About this ancient Christian population

Of Armenians. That are primarily orthodox Christians. But love their faith. Love God.

And have been driven out. And in a second genocide.

GLENN: Senator, thank you so much -- or, sorry, Ambassador Brownback, thank you so much for being on with us.

Appreciate all you do.

SAM: Thank you, Glenn.

GLENN: You bet.

OneHundredTwentyThousandReasons.org. OneHundredTwentyThousandReasons.org.

This is something that everybody should check out. And you should share it with your church.

We have got to do more. There is -- Stu said to me, about 15 minutes ago. There's not a lot of good. I've not seen a lot of right in the world.

I am. And let me tell you about it.

As I said to Sam. And I don't even know if he knows this.

But the Nazarene Fund is on the ground.

In Armenia. And Azerbaijan.

We have been doing this, quietly, because there's -- you're -- you're so focused on other things.

But we know what's going on, and it's time now to pay attention.

Because it is -- with what happened in Iran, this is going to run all across the world.

So we are on the ground, right now, helping with temporary housing, and life-sustaining food and medicine.

We are looking to move those who are in danger, away from the border. And the dangerous areas.

There's 100,000 refugees, right now, in Armenia. Practice have and the media concern is just securing warm shelter.

Before the winter arrives.

It's unforgiving in Armenia.

We deployed in Armenia, began -- began our work there.

Preliminary results suggests 300 to 400 Armenians are unaccounted for. Some have chosen to remain in their home enclave, while others have feared being injured or killed or facing imminent danger from Azerbaijani forces.

Some of the casualties are the result of large explosions at a crowded gas station, which left dozens of dead people, and unaccounted.

We are in contact with 15 to 20 families, whose loved ones, predominantly men, are missing.

Our team has already located, recovered, and removed the remains of a father and his son, who were across the border, providing some closure for their families.

Also, residents of border towns, many of whom have family members, considered as war heroes, are currently under threat.

We're committed to their protection.

Our team has also begun extending financial assistance for rent and medical care and food, to numerous families.

There is grave concerns, that this is going to get much, much worse.

These are Christians. That just want to be left alone.

They are the oldest Christian nation.

And they are being liquidated.

Could passengers have SAVED Iryna Zarutska?

Surveillance footage of the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in Charlotte, NC, reveals that the other passengers on the train took a long time to help her. Glenn, Stu, and Jason debate whether they were right or wrong to do so.

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: You know, I'm -- I'm torn on how I feel about the people on the train.

Because my first instinct is, they did nothing! They did nothing! Then my -- well, sit down and, you know -- you know, you're going to be judged. So be careful on judging others.

What would I have done? What would I want my wife to do in that situation?

STU: Yeah. Are those two different questions, by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, they are.

STU: I think they go far apart from each other. What would I want myself to do. I mean, it's tough to put yourself in a situation. It's very easy to watch a video on the internet and talk about your heroism. Everybody can do that very easily on Twitter. And everybody is.

You know, when you're in a vehicle that doesn't have an exit with a guy who just murdered somebody in front of you, and has a dripping blood off of a knife that's standing 10 feet away from you, 15 feet away from you.

There's probably a different standard there, that we should all kind of consider. And maybe give a little grace to what I saw at least was a woman, sitting across the -- the -- the aisle.

I think there is a difference there. But when you talk about that question. Those two questions are definitive.

You know, I know what I would want myself to do. I would hope I would act in a way that didn't completely embarrass myself afterward.

But I also think, when I'm thinking of my wife. My advice to my wife would not be to jump into the middle of that situation at all costs. She might do that anyway. She actually is a heck of a lot stronger than I am.

But she might do it anyway.

GLENN: How pathetic, but how true.

STU: Yes. But that would not be my advice to her.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Now, maybe once the guy has certainly -- is out of the area. And you don't think the moment you step into that situation. He will turn around and kill you too. Then, of course, obviously. Anything you can do to step in.

Not that there was much anyone on the train could do.

I mean, I don't think there was an outcome change, no matter what anyone on that train did.

Unfortunately.

But would I want her to step in?

Of course. If she felt she was safe, yes.

Think about, you said, your wife. Think about your daughter. Your daughter is on that train, just watching someone else getting murdered like that. Would you advise your daughter to jump into a situation like that?

That girl sitting across the aisle was somebody's daughter. I don't know, man.

JASON: I would. You know, as a dad, would I advise.

Hmm. No.

As a human being, would I hope that my daughter or my wife or that I would get up and at least comfort that woman while she's dying on the floor of a train?

Yeah.

I would hope that my daughter, my son, that I would -- and, you know, I have more confidence in my son or daughter or my wife doing something courageous more than I would.

But, you know, I think I have a more realistic picture of myself than anybody else.

And I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure what I would do in that situation. I know what I would hope I would do. But I also know what I fear I would do. But I would have hoped that I would have gotten up and at least tried to help her. You know, help her up off the floor. At least be there with her, as she's seeing her life, you know, spill out in under a minute.

And that's it other thing we have to keep in mind. This all happened so rapidly.

A minute is -- will seem like a very long period of time in that situation. But it's a very short period of time in real life.

STU: Yeah. You watch the video, Glenn. You know, I don't need the video to -- to change my -- my position on this.

But at his seem like there was a -- someone who did get there, eventually, to help, right? I saw someone seemingly trying to put pressure on her neck.

GLENN: Yeah. And tried to give her CPR.

STU: You know, no hope at that point. How long of a time period would you say that was?

Do you know off the top of your head?

GLENN: I don't know. I don't know. I know that we watched the video that I saw. I haven't seen past 30 seconds after she --

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: -- is down. And, you know, for 30 seconds nothing is happening. You know, that is -- that is not a very long period of time.

STU: Right.

GLENN: In reality.

STU: And especially, I saw the pace he was walking. He certainly can't be -- you know, he may have left the actual train car by 30 seconds to a minute. But he wasn't that far away. Like he was still in visual.

He could still turn around and look and see what's going on at that point. So certainly still a threat is my point. He has not, like, left the area. This is not that type of situation.

You know, I -- look, as you point out, I think if I could be super duper sexist for a moment here, sort of my dividing line might just be men and women.

You know, I don't know if it's that a -- you're not supposed to say that, I suppose these days. But, like, there is a difference there. If I'm a man, you know, I would be -- I would want my son to jump in on that, I suppose. I don't know if he could do anything about it. But you would expect at least a grown man to be able to go in there and do something about it. A woman, you know, I don't know.

Maybe I'm -- I hope --

GLENN: Here's the thing I -- here's the thing that I -- that causes me to say, no. You should have jumped in.

And that is, you know, you've already killed one person on the train. So you've proven that you're a killer. And anybody who would have screamed and got up and was with her, she's dying. She's dying. Get him. Get him.

Then the whole train is responsible for stopping that guy. You know. And if you don't stop him, after he's killed one person, if you're not all as members of that train, if you're not stopping him, you know, the person at the side of that girl would be the least likely to be killed. It would be the ones that are standing you up and trying to stop him from getting back to your daughter or your wife or you.

JASON: There was a -- speaking of men and women and their roles in this. There was a video circling social media yesterday. In Sweden. There was a group of officials up on a stage. And one of the main. I think it was health official woman collapses on stage. Completely passes out.

All the men kind of look away. Or I don't know if they're looking away. Or pretending that they didn't know what was going on. There was another woman standing directly behind the woman passed out.

Immediately springs into action. Jumps on top. Grabs her pant leg. Grabs her shoulder. Spins her over and starts providing care.

What did she have that the other guys did not? Or women?

She was a sheepdog. There is a -- this is my issue. And I completely agree with Stu. I completely agree with you. There's some people that do not respond this way. My issue is the proportion of sheepdogs versus people that don't really know how to act. That is diminishing in western society. And American society.

We see it all the time in these critical actions. I mean, circumstances.

There are men and women, and it's actually a meme. That fantasize about hoards of people coming to attack their home and family. And they sit there and say, I've got it. You guys go. I'm staying behind, while I smoke my cigarette and wait for the hoards to come, because I will sacrifice myself. There are men and women that fantasize of block my highway. Go ahead. Block my highway. I'm going to do something about it. They fantasize about someone holding up -- not a liquor store. A convenience store or something. Because they will step in and do something. My issue now is that proportion of sheepdogs in society is disappearing. Just on statistical fact, there should be one within that train car, and there were none.

STU: Yeah. I mean --

JASON: They did not respond.

STU: We see what happens when they do, with Daniel Penny. Our society tries to vilify them and crush their existence. Now, there weren't that many people on that train. Right?

At least on that car. At least it's limited. I only saw three or four people there, there may have been more. I agree with you, though. Like, you see what happens when we actually do have a really recent example of someone doing exactly what Jason wants and what I would want a guy to do. Especially a marine to step up and stop this from happening. And the man was dragged by our legal system to a position where he nearly had to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I mean, I -- it's insanity. Thankfully, they came to their senses on that one.

GLENN: Well, the difference between that one and this one though is that the guy was threatening. This one, he killed somebody.

STU: Yeah. Right. Well, but -- I think -- but it's the opposite way. The debate with Penny, was should he have recognize that had this person might have just been crazy and not done anything?

Maybe. He hadn't actually acted yet. He was just saying things.

GLENN: Yeah. Well --

STU: He didn't wind up stabbing someone. This is a situation where these people have already seen what this man will do to you, even when you don't do anything to try to stop him. So if this woman, who is, again, looks to be an average American woman.

Across the aisle. Steps in and tries to do something. This guy could easily turn around and just make another pile of dead bodies next to the one that already exists.

And, you know, whether that is an optimal solution for our society, I don't know that that's helpful.

In that situation.

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