Vice President Kamala Harris recently sat down for an interview with Fox News host Bret Baier. At first glance, it seems like Harris was unprepared and defensive. So, why would she agree to this interview?! Glenn has a theory: There was one specific answer that Harris gave that, in her eyes, could have made the rest of this disastrous interview worth it. So, did she get what she wanted? Glenn also reviews how Harris’ campaign team cut the interview way shorter than it should have been (apparently, Fox News had originally agreed to an hour-long interview). Plus, Glenn reveals the answer he would have given Harris’ team if they had waved their arms at him to cut the conversation off.
Transcript
Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors
GLENN: Oh. Wow! Was that interesting.
The Fox news Kamala Harris debate is -- was bizarre.
STU: And it was not a debate.
GLENN: Yeah. Not a debate.
STU: An interview. It did at times feel like a debate. There was a lot of talking over each other.
GLENN: A lot of anger.
STU: There was a lot of filibustering going on.
GLENN: Yeah. So let me just tell you what happened with Bret Baier. He was promised an hour with Kamala. And then they called, I think yesterday. Maybe the day before. And said, it's only going to be a half an hour. And then they got a call when the half-hour is supposed to start. We will be about 15 minutes late.
Now, there's no reason. What was more important for her to do?
Okay?
Is there something else that she was doing that was like more important than the Fox news interview?
I can't think of one.
STU: I mean, if I were one of her aides, though, I would be popping the tire to make her late.
GLENN: Right. It was all planned. Oh, absolutely, it was all planned. And she was part of it.
STU: Why do you think that?
GLENN: Because they needed to throw Brett off. Now, they walked in, just at the time. Because it was supposed to be live to tape. Not live.
Live to tape. So they could not have time to reset during commercials.
STU: Yeah. And people don't always understand that terminology. But that's just basically, it's a live interview. It's just recorded and then you play the whole thing back as is. There's no edits, things like that.
GLENN: No edits. So it's live to tape. And it was recorded right before the show. So you need time to take that recording. It's not like the old days where you take the tape.
Okay? You have to ingest it into the right -- I don't even know. The right system to be able to play it back. Okay?
And that takes time, because it's rendering. So they were at the point to where, we're not going to be able to render this fast enough.
If she doesn't show up in like the next two minutes.
That's when she shows up. So they knew exactly what they were doing.
She shows up.
And now Brett is having to edit all the questions that he had.
I mean, it takes time to put an interview together.
So he has to edit. Now, which ones do I do?
Because I won't have time. He knows also, that they say, she only has 20 minutes. So now they cut an hour to a half an hour. And then down to 20 minutes, and he's flustered. Okay?
So they're trying to get him to be completely flustered. He's not. He does a great professional job.
However, this is why they did this. He has to be aggressive. Because she filibusters.
And I've done -- I've done interviews with Donald Trump before. Where you just can't get a word in edge-wise. Twenty minutes, I can ask him one to two questions, and you're just not going to get anything. If he doesn't want to give you anything, or if he's excited about one thing, he's just going to go. And you cannot shoe horn your way in.
It's why, if you listen to my interviews with Donald Trump, you always hear me go, yeah, but.
And I'm doing that, not to interrupt him. But to signal to him. We have to move on to the next thing. Okay. Pragmatism and you can do that in person, but not over the phone.
You have to make that sound, so he knows. Yeah. I have another question for you.
Well, she knew, he would have lots of follow-up questions.
So she was going to filibuster.
And she started hostile.
Immediately hostile.
Now, I'm going to show you. I'm going to jump to the whole reason why she did this.
Don't pay attention to anything else, that she said.
It's all really important, for you to know.
But she knows the media is in her back pocket.
She knows she has to shore up her own voters. Okay?
She's on the verge of losing the people, that will vote for her.
But they're starting to be like, you know what, she's just a limp noodle. There's nothing to her.
It's, oh, I've got a greatly indie car, with no engine or tires. That ain't going to win. All right?
So she had to speak, not to the Fox audience. She knows she won't get them. She doesn't care. We were all being used for her campaign.
For this one moment. Let me see here.
It is, I believe, cut 24.
VOICE: Test. He's talked about locking people up. Because they disagree with him.
This is a democracy. And in a democracy, the president of the United States in the United States of America, should be willing to be able to handle criticism without saying he would lock people up for doing it.
And this is what is at stake. Which is why you have someone like the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff saying what Mark Milley has said about Donald Trump being a threat to the United States of --
GLENN: Got it? Got it?
She needed to shore up her own people. And her own people believed that Donald Trump is a threat.
And they needed to show, she's tough as nails.
She knows and she is not afraid of anybody.
And this is a democracy!
And a democracy, a president cannot act like that!
This is the most angry she got.
It really came out of nowhere.
Okay?
It came out of nowhere.
This is the moment she was looking for.
It didn't matter what the question was.
That's why she kept making it about Donald Trump.
STU: Right.
GLENN: She kept going to Donald Trump. And it wouldn't fit anywhere.
It fit right here. Do it. You watch. That's the clip that will be seen by progressives.
And those on the left.
STU: So it was sort of a scripted takedown in her mind of Trump, he's bad for -- you know, hearkens back to the approach of Biden, right?
Which was standing in front of the Revenge of the Sith wall. And yelling about how bad he is with democracy.
GLENN: Yes. Yes.
Because there are those who -- she cannot lose the ones who are passionate against Donald Trump.
She has to have that rage, that they have spent eight years. Twelve years on. Okay?
They've spent all this time and money, and energy. Building that up rage.
They need to kindle that rage up here in the last few weeks. Because people are like, I don't even know if I'm going to go out and vote. He's a danger to democracy.
And I have the will to stop it!
STU: Because joy does not make you vote. Right? Like that's not how that works.
GLENN: Nope. Nope. Fear. Fear. Fear and vengeance.
STU: Especially in an election like this, in which you have basically two candidates. Donald Trump and not Donald Trump.
GLENN: Exactly right.
STU: Right?
They need to come up with -- they're realizing, that's their only source of strength.
GLENN: That's why she doesn't say what she's going to do.
She says, I'm not Joe Biden and I'm not Donald Trump.
Okay. But what are you?
You can tell who the author of this whole thing is, Barack Obama.
Barack Obama. I'm hope and change. What the hell does that even mean? We're at change.
We're going to move forward. Yes, we can.
What the hell is that?
That's not a policy.
STU: That strikes me more as similar to the joy approach. Right?
Sort of this generally positive term that doesn't mean anything.
GLENN: Because he could pull it off. Because he had that speech.
Remember? Everybody watched that speech and said, oh, man. He's great.
STU: Not everybody. But, yes.
GLENN: Everybody who watched it, went, this guy could be president of the United States.
Everybody said that. And so he was exciting. He was new. He was
He embodied change. He was the first black president. Okay?
So he could pull that off. She can't pull that off. She's angry. She's mean. Her staff doesn't like her.
She's unlikable. To have
She's unlikable. So this is just about hope and change. This is about joy and not Donald Trump. Not Joe Biden.
Not Donald Trump. Full of joy, I'll stop him!
And I'm going to give you free stuff. How?
What? What does that -- what are you doing?
Somebody who cannot articulate in an interview. All she kept saying, this is very carefully worded. Every time she tries to answer a question, it is, I will follow the law.
STU: I thought the same. What a bizarre response.
GLENN: Oh, no. Crafty. Brilliant.
STU: But in reality, it's not. Of course, you will follow -- what do you mean? Were we supposed to expect you weren't going to follow the law?
GLENN: But who is going to make the laws? Congress doesn't make the laws.
STU: Anymore. Yeah.
GLENN: Yeah, the administrative state makes the laws. So she can change the law to anything she wants.
She can go.
If she changes the Supreme Court, she can change any law she wants.
I'll follow the law.
STU: Yep. And the law will bend to whatever I want.
GLENN: Exactly right.
STU: Which, of course, is so ridiculous about this.
One of the ways she did this. And she did it several times. One of them was on transgender surgery. For prisoners.
Do we have that clip?
I think we do. Yeah. We do.
Should we listen to that clip?
GLENN: Yeah. Go ahead. Every transgender inmate in the prison system would have access --
VOICE: So are you still in support of using taxpayer dollars to help prison inmates or detained illegal aliens to transition to another gender?
KAMALA: I will follow the law. And it's a law that Donald Trump actually followed. You're probably familiar with now it's a public report.
That under Donald Trump's administration, these surgeries were available to, on a medical -- necessity basis.
To people in the federal prison system.
And I think frankly they can't be ad from the Trump campaign. Is a little bit of like throwing stones when you're living in a glass house.
VOICE: The Trump aide said that he never advocated for that prison policy. And no gender transition surgery happened.
KAMALA: Well, you have to be responsible for what happened in your administration.
It's black and white.
VOICE: So would you still advocate for using taxpayer dollars for gender reassignment surgeries?
KAMALA: I will follow the law. Just like I think Donald Trump would say he did.
VOICE: You would have a say as president.
KAMALA: Like I said, he spent $20 million on those ads. Trying to create a sense of fear in the voters. Because he actually has no plans in this election, that is about focusing on the needs of the American people.
GLENN: And saying exactly what she's going to do.
You have a say in the law. She doesn't say yes.
But that's why she's saying, I will follow the law. And the law already says. But he didn't use that.
No surgeries happened.
STU: Right.
GLENN: Will you advocate for it?
He's not advocating for that.
STU: Right. What is -- you're supposed to be the candidate of change?
GLENN: Yeah.
STU: Your answer is, I will follow the law.
What do you want the law to change to? That's what we're talking about.
The whole point of the presidential campaign. She wants to change a zillion laws. That's the whole point. What do you want the law to be?
And, by the way, that's a master class by Bret Baier there. He asked her the question. He knows where she will go with it, which is to blame Donald Trump.
He's already got her cut off at the pass. Knowing the answer. That there were no transgender surgeries. And then keeps pushing back on her. When he says, you have a say in the law.
I would have preferred they kept going.
Of course, they cut off half of the interview.
GLENN: He expressed his frustration afterwards. That I couldn't do anything.
With 20 minutes.
And you can't. With 20 minutes. And they had -- I would have made a different choice.
But I'm -- I'm -- you know, more of a renegade. He's an actual journalist. I'm not. He said, four people that were in her entourage. Four were standing off camera, behind one of the cameras, looking right at Brett. Giving him the wrap-up sign.
We have to go. It's over. Wrap it up. Wrap it up. I would have said, Ms. Vice president, you were -- you were 15 minutes late.
You've cut our interview to 20 minutes. It was supposed to be an honor. Now it's 30. And can you turn that camera around.
Will you show those White House people that are now wrapping this up? Telling me to wrap this up. Do you have something more important to do than to talk to the American people?
GLENN: All righty then.
So kind of -- kind of interesting.
What happened yesterday.
There's a lot more that we should probably get into.
Kamala, in one of the worst moments, Bret Baier brings up the murdering illegals that were let in.
Listen to this exchange. Cut 19.
VOICE: Jocelyn Nungaray. Rachel Moore. Laken Riley. They're young women who were brutally assaulted and killed by some of the men who were released at the beginning of the administration. Well before a negotiated bipartisan bill. Former president Clinton actually referred to Laken Riley Sunday, campaigning for you in Georgia. Saying, if those men had been properly vetted, Laken Riley probably wouldn't have been killed. So if -- it wouldn't have happened.
This is well before any negotiation.
This is well before Donald Trump got involved in the politics.
This is a specific policy decision by your administration to release these men into the country. So what I'm saying to you --
KAMALA: No, no, no. I think --
VOICE: Do you owe those families an apology?
KAMALA: Let me just say, first of all, those are tragic cases. There's no question about it. There's no question about it.
And I can't imagine the pain that the families of those victims have experienced.
GLENN: Now apologize. Don't think about it.
KAMALA: For a loss that shouldn't have occurred. So that is true.
It is also true, that if a border security had actually been passed, nine months ago, it would have been nine months, that we would have more border agents, at the border. More support for folks who are working around the clock, trying to hold it all together.
To ensure that no future harm would occur.
And this election in 20 days. Will determine whether we have a president of the United States, who actually cares more about fixing a problem, even if it is not to their political advantage in an election.
Because there was a solution, Brett.
GLENN: No.
KAMALA: Madam vice president, it was a policy decision, in the early part of your administration.
GLENN: So she wouldn't -- she just won't answer it.
STU: Unreal.
GLENN: By the way, notice that she's always talking about comprehensive immigration reform.
She never talks about the border.
She talks about comprehensive. Our system is broken.
Yes!
We all agree with that.
But the border policy, you broke!
That's why we're having these problems.
You guys broke the border.
We all know that.
So don't talk to me about comprehensive.
Because that's something that people have been trying to do for 50 years.
And it won't happen.
Because we're so far apart.
You want amnesty.
No! You wanted 6,000 people, still to be able to come across the border every day!
No! It's -- this is the biggest con -- I mean, lie after lie after lie.
STU: Just to watch that happen.
Where she -- he -- he specifically picks cases, that she can't use, this border policy.
Which, by the way, there is a 0 percent chance she will actually pursue, when she's president of the United States.
She's just acting. Like they all talk about how Donald Trump, all he wanted out of this. Was a taking point for the election.
That's all this is.
She's doing the exact same thing she's accusing Donald Trump of.
GLENN: Yeah. That's why they released that bill. Knowing the Republicans would never go for it.
They would never go for it.
So they had that talking point.
And she will get in. And she will say, see!
They're standing in the way again.
STU: I hope the Republicans that went along with it. I hope they realize it now.
I hope they realize they were part of it. Maybe unwillingly.
But they were.