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This Presidential List Reveals A LOT About "The Experts"

For President’s Day 2024, the Presidential Greatness Project asked a list of “presidential experts” to rank all past and present American presidents — and the final list reveals a lot about what these “experts” really value. Glenn, Pat, and Stu review the list, which predictably ranked Abraham Lincoln 1st. But the list quickly devolves into a celebration of progressive presidents who expanded the federal government’s powers: “Everyone they like wanted a dictatorship,” Glenn says. And of course, the “experts” weren’t big fans of Donald Trump …

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GLENN: Well, the presidential greatness ratings and rankings are finally in.

Yes. Yes. The -- the president and executive politics section of the American political of science association, which is the foremost organization of Social Security science experts in presidential politics, as well as super, super smart scholars, who are much more smart than you are, tummy.

They published a peer-reviewed academic research in key-related scholarly journals and academic presses, and 525 respondents were invited to participate.

Here we have, the best presidents ranked in order.

PAT: 525 were asked. I think 100 --

GLENN: Fifty-four.

PAT: 154, actually.

GLENN: Usable responses were received. In other words, there were some that --

STU: They used all of those.

GLENN: All right. So number one, Abraham Lincoln.

Don't think we can argue with that. He's in the top five.

STU: Yeah. Top five.

PAT: For sure. This has I don't know if I would put him one.

GLENN: Who would you put as one?

STU: Probably Washington.

GLENN: I would too.

STU: That's not a knock on Lincoln.

PAT: No.

GLENN: But Washington was the one who demonstrated how to use power. How to get rid of power. How to go home.

STU: Set the tone.

GLENN: The two terms thing is all because of him.

He is -- he is -- but he is a reluctant president, just like Michelle Obama.

Okay. So they have --

STU: Still? Where they still have -- number one is Lincoln. Number two is Franklin Roosevelt.

PAT: This is unbelievable. Stop it.

STU: It's completely --

PAT: FDR is one of the absolute worse. He's bottom five. Bottom five for sure.

GLENN: Well, if you'll notice the pattern here as we go on. The pattern is, the scholar seems to love those who you can't get past. You can't get past Lincoln. You can't get past Washington. You can't throw them into the dustbin. But they want to. They want to.

PAT: They want to.

GLENN: And so if you look at the pattern of everyone that doesn't make sense, it's because they fundamentally changed our systems.

PAT: Uh-huh, where FDR fundamentally changed. We were this close to a dictatorship.

Mussolini said he's cut from our cloth. Hitler said, he's cut from our cloth. He's going for this great state, so FDR.

So then number three is Washington.

Under FDR --

STU: That's -- that's insanity.

PAT: Madness.

GLENN: By the way, FDR, huge racist. Huge racist.

Did not invite, what's his name? The runner?

Jesse Owens. Didn't invite him.

Only metal winner, not invited. The biggest. And most important -- wasn't invited.

STU: Of all time.

GLENN: Let's see. So Washington. Then Theodore Roosevelt. Another progressive.

PAT: Come on. Jeez.

STU: Like Theodore Roosevelt. Does not even belong anywhere close to the top of this list.

PAT: No.

STU: You mentioned this a million times. Obviously, the man started the Progressive Party.

Of course they love him. But still --

GLENN: Massive eugenist.

STU: You can say he did incredible things in his life, but as a person. Yeah.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. But what did he do?

What did he do as president? What is he most famous for doing as president?

STU: He was -- well, he really like, continued what -- what Wilson was doing, who is coming up soon in the countdown. But continued that move. In a way to -- to make progressivism the -- the homespun philosophy.

GLENN: But as a president. As a president, he's responsible for the national parks.

He's -- he's responsible --

STU: Why is that seen as some big accomplishment?

Hey, we fenced off a bunch of grass!

What a -- remember the Ken burns documentary. The slogan for that documentary was America's greatest accomplishment. What are you talking about?

The guy put a bunch of -- what?

Fences around grass where animals can stay.

PAT: Well, there's gates too, so you can pay to get ahead. Don't forget about that.

STU: Wow. What a thing. What a thing.

I mean, how many medical innovations have we created? We've saved the world how many times?

Well, gosh. Well, they put those park benches out there.

That was really a good thing that America did. Hey, look, picnic tables!

GLENN: Again, look at the two.

We have Lincoln and Washington. We understand. Okay?

Roosevelt and Roosevelt, they're both progressives. They're both progressives.

PAT: Really bad.

GLENN: They're all about state power.

STU: Yes.

GLENN: Then Jefferson.

Another one you got to go, well, okay.

You wrote the Declaration of Independence. I think this is kind of a big deal. Then Truman.

STU: Again, we should point out. All these people are saying, oh, well, we have to throw them in.

Are also the people that I guarantee, some of these historians. If you look at their Twitter tedious. Would be advocating for the tearing down of their statues.

PAT: Oh, for sure.

STU: Like I guarantee you, 2020, go back and look at their George Floyd feeds at the time, as they were encouraging Washington and Jefferson. The statues to come down.

GLENN: Washington, Jefferson. And Lincoln.

STU: And Lincoln is maybe the hardest argument to make on that one. But still.

GLENN: They wanted to bring it down in Washington, DC.

STU: Ben Franklin, they wanted to bring down his statues.

PAT: Harry Truman is a surprise too. Since he dropped the bomb on Japan.

GLENN: Not only, he's the guy that said yes to Israel.

PAT: Yeah, right.

GLENN: So, I mean, I'm shocked at him.

Then number seven, Obama.

PAT: That's incredible. Nine places since last time.

STU: Just stupid, just stupid.

PAT: It's asinine.

GLENN: You know why?

Michelle Obama for president. Who is losing a thousand dollars?

STU: Stop trying to take my money. I just want a push.

That's all I want. Is a push.

We need Gavin Newsom or somebody, to be the nominee. So I don't have to pay a thousand dollars.

Then Eisenhower. Now, Eisenhower oversaw the building of the industrial military complex.

PAT: Yeah. But he bashed it, at the end.

STU: That one speech.

GLENN: He said, we just built it. You will have to deal with this. Be afraid.

PAT: I put this thing together for you, that you will have to deal with the rest of America's existence.

But look out for it! Because it's really powerful and bad.

GLENN: Right. So look what we have. We have Obama, built giant government. Eisenhower, giant government. Then number nine, LB Johnson.

PAT: This is incredible. That might be the biggest abomination of them all. Number nine. A top ten president.

STU: He is legitimately, within the conversation, for the worst president of all time.

PAT: No question.

STU: It's in the conversation.
Now, you might say Woodrow Wilson. And I probably will lean that way. But if you want to come up with -- we need to do -- we need to get all the Blaze people to give us the top five presidents of all time.

Because LBJ, to me, is on that list. If he's not number one worst of all time, he's in the top two or thee.

GLENN: It's Wilson. I'm not going to rank them. Wilson is number one in all of them.

STU: Of course.

GLENN: It's Wilson. Obama. LBJ.

STU: Biden. Where Biden -- Biden might be number one or two now.

PAT: Yeah. For sure.

GLENN: It's Jackson. Andrew Jackson.

STU: I would put Carter in the conversation for that.

GLENN: Carter. But Carter is almost like a hapless dupe compared to these guys.

STU: But still! That's really bad.

GLENN: He started the Department of Education. So he built the -- look at -- everyone they like, wanted a dictatorship.

All of them!

They didn't call it that. But that's what they wanted. They built this Deep State. Then Kennedy is at number ten.

He's up four, which I find interesting.

Because Kennedy is probably the only one that couldn't -- wouldn't be allowed in the Democratic Party now. All the ones we just mentioned, they would still love.

Kennedy, no way.

Kennedy wanted to break up the military industrial complex. Kennedy cut taxes like nobody's business!

I mean, he was practically Ronald Reagan in comparison.

Then -- then James Madison comes in after Truman, Eisenhower, Obama, Johnson.

PAT: LBJ.

Come on. Come on.

GLENN: James Madison.

PAT: Yeah. The guy who wrote the US Constitution.

Let's put him 11th.

STU: Behind a guy who created a bunch of programs that are completely bankrupting us.

PAT: Yes.

STU: Like we are all aware as to why we are going to soon be spending a trillion dollars a year, in just interest, but LBJ.

Ah, yeah, the good thing, the redeeming quality, he was an incredible racist. And he was a drunk driver. Let's put him number nine.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh. Number nine.

Then after Madison. Then comes Bill Clinton.

Then comes John Adams.

STU: Clinton. Wait.

GLENN: Then comes Biden. This has so we have -- accused rapist. Followed by -- and Biden at 14, is -- look, I don't know.

PAT: So outrageous.

STU: The Barack Obama thing is so expected. It didn't surprise me at all, right?

GLENN: You do have to say. There is -- there is, at this point, with historians.

There is, you know, kind of a magic around him. Because he was America's second black president.

STU: Right. Ahead of the first black president.

GLENN: Yeah. It's weird.

STU: But you kind of understand.

The reason you see bias in these things is always big. Like Biden being there is not all that shocking because of its recency bias.

Obama, I'm expecting.

And the end of this, of course, everyone already knows is Trump last.

Which is also probably one of the recency bias. Right? Once the next president gets in that is a Republican, they will all say, he's even worse than Trump.

We all know that will happen on these lists.

But it's like, the -- the Obama thing.

Okay. First black president. Like, they got their Obamacare. There are things they know they will like. What on earth argument is there, with Joe Biden. With a 37 percent approval rating, to be the 14th greatest president of all time?

GLENN: You're not going to.

STU: It's absurd.

GLENN: The rest of the list is not going to improve your mood.

By the way, tomorrow, I will have a poll ready. With all the presidents.

And you just rank them. Okay? If you don't know who they are.

Because like Polk. I don't know. What did Polk do?

PAT: Mexican-American war.

GLENN: Okay. So he's bad.

STU: By the way, it's also Tuesday. This would be James K. Polk Tuesdays, just pointing that out.

GLENN: Hayes. Rutherford B. Hayes. What did he do?

PAT: All kinds of things.

STU: Are you guys into Chester B. Arthur?

GLENN: Yeah, there are some -- we will cut the list down. Okay?

PAT: Just eliminating Chester A. Arthur.

GLENN: No. I'll leave them all in there for judges. Like, I don't know.

PAT: Is he a Republican or Democrat? Whatever.

STU: Seems best five worse. Best five worse.

GLENN: I like to see top ten. Bottom ten. Okay. We'll do that.

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Meet the pro-Intifada candidate NYC Democrats just elected

New York City Democrats just elected 33-year-old Zohran Mamdani, a "socialist Muslim", as the Party's candidate for mayor. But Glenn Beck argues that his radical beliefs are actually communist and Islamist.

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VOICE: Z10852. Something weird is going on. The World Trade Center is on fire.

VOICE: Seriously the top of the building. We're trying to get information.

VOICE: Top level of one of the --

VOICE: To unfold from New York City.

VOICE: A plane crashed just --

VOICE: My sister is in that believe. I hope she's okay. I have to come to New York.

VOICE: It's pandemonium.

VOICE: It's raining papers.

VOICE: Wait a minute! Stop just a second. Why are we -- why are we -- I've got breaking news. Breaking news, yesterday. New York City just elected as their mayoral candidate for the left. And the Democrats, a -- a Muslim radical, who is also a communist!

So, you know, it only took you 25 years. It only took you 25 years, New York, to go completely insane.

Somebody who is -- well, I mean, if I might quote Michael malice today. I am old enough to remember when New Yorkers endured 9/11 instead of voting for it.

But you've got a -- you've got a communist jihadist apologist now.

Who was -- you know, well, CAIR put $100,000 behind his bid for New York City mayor.

So you have somebody who is endorsed by CAIR. That's really good.

He also was somebody who said, you know, he was -- he was for the shooting of the United Health Care CEO.

Said he was looking forward to driving down magnum Joan avenue. I don't know. Sounds like supporting people in the streets. Maybe it's just me.

Then he also said that he was going to globalize the intifada, which I think that's -- maybe -- maybe that's just me.

I mean, what do I know?

Tim Miller who is a podcaster. Asked him a few weeks ago. Asked him about his pro Palestinian slogan. Globalized the intifada. And he said, for me, ultimately, what I hear in so many, is a desperate desire for equality and equal rights, in standing up for Palistinian human rights. Oh, is that what you hear, Mr. CAIR?

Really? Huh, that's interesting.

Right. So globalize the intifada.

I mean, I mean, sure, that's -- I mean well, let me go on.

Because I don't want to take him out of context.

He then delved into the semantics of the intifada, citing the United States Holocaust memorial museum's use of a word for a translation for uprising, in an Arabic version of an article, a museum published about the Warsaw ghetto.

Oh!

So this is just a comparison, about the -- the armed rebellion against the Nazis!

I don't know if that makes me feel better!

I mean, if we're globalizing that.

We're the Nazis in this scenario.

Because I don't think it's the Palestinians.

I certainly don't think it's anybody who is like, hey.

Global jihad. I don't think it's those guys.

Or the Nazis. Who are the Nazis in that?

And it seems, if that's what you mean, then it's not just a harmless kind of slogan about human rights. It is a call for violence on the streets.

Because I don't know if you know, that's what happened when the Jews had their uprising against the Nazis.

I'm just saying!

But, hey, hey, free Palestine.

Oh, that's not what that means, gang. That is not what that means, but don't worry about it. He's just going to be possibly the new mayor.

And that's great. By the way, the Columbia faculty members signed a letter defending Hamas.

They were also among the donors to his mayoral campaign.

So, you know, you don't have anything to worry about.

And his father, who used to work at Columbia. Do you know, Stu?

Is his Dad -- is he still a professor at Columbia University?

He said that -- this violent terror thing of Islam, is not a part of Islam. Now, I've read the Koran, and much of the hadith.

And I'm pretty sure the violence is a part of that. But no.

No. This is something entirely new.

And his father while at Columbia university, wanted everybody to know, that this is actually -- this is something that came out of America!

America is really responsible for this.

And, you know, it really started with the Reagan administration, you know, when he started -- when he started with his very religious terms, to finish the war against the evil empire.

So, you know, that's where -- that's where 9/11 came from.

Is what -- don't worry about it! Don't worry about it!

Because who am I? I'm clearly just -- am I an anti-Semite today, or am I an Islamophobic? I can't remember which one.

Oh, it's probably both. Anyway, Islamophobia. Let me just explain Islamophobia. I haven't even gotten to the Communist part of it. Which is really, really -- New York, you're in one for hell of a ride. Buckle up.

It will be a fun rollercoaster for you. My gosh, I've never been happier that I've been away are if New York.

Anyway, I just want I to know, there is Islam. And then there is Islamists. Now, an Islamist is somebody who really wants Sharia law.

That's political Islam!

That's not a faith. That's political Islam.

Now, let me make really -- something really clear. Criticizing Islamism, is not Islamophobia. Pointing out the dangers of, oh. I don't know.

Political Islam. The ideology that seeks to use the tools of democracy, ultimately to destroy democracy, is not an attack on Muslims.

No. Uh-uh.

You know why?

Because Muslims are often the first people in line.

The first victims of the ideology.

So let's draw a bright, bright line between Islam as a faith, millions of people can practice that faithfully and peacefully.

It's mostly peaceful, okay?

Then there's the Islamism.

Islamism is something entirely -- that's a political project.

A theocratic political -- oh. Left loves theocracies. They love it.

Of course, you never see a problem with it.

See it when an Islamist is touting it. Anyway, it's not about prayer. It's not about fasting. It's not about spiritual life.

It's all about power. It's about merging of mosque and state. It's about implementing Sharia, not as a personal code of conduct. But as a governing legal system.

And it's -- it's supremacy.

Absolutely. Faith.

Religion.

It's -- there's one thing that's supreme.

It's misogynistic.

Deeply intolerant of all kinds of things.

Descent. Secularism. Other faiths. Even competing interpretations from inside the faith itself.

It will behead them too.

So let's -- let's be honest here for a second.

You know, CAIR should be labeled an international terror organization.

In my opinion. In my opinion.

Oh, does that make me -- that makes me an Islamophobe. I'm sure. I'm sure they will start a campaign against me on being an Islamophobe.

Stand in line, guys. You've been doing it since 2001, okay?

I don't really care. And I don't think the American people. I think that record, all the grooves are worn-out on that one, okay?

This is not a religion we're talking about. When we're talking about Sharia law. And we're talking about globalize the intifada. What does that mean, actually, to globalize it?

Does that mean we now want to do what is happening to Israel? All over the world?

Has the Palestinian plight become our plight you now, as Americans?

That there has to be an intifada here!

Because it's the kind of the same. You know. It's kind of the same over, you know, with what the Palestinians are going through.

Well, it's very much like what the Jews went through with the Nazis.

That's a weird one. That one makes my head hurt. It's very much the same as that. And very much the same as the fight against Donald Trump.

Oh, this is going to be fun. It's fun!

Really fun. You know, the irony here is, the ones that will scream Islamophobia the most, are the ones in the progressive left, the champions of feminism, LGBTQ rights. And secularism.

They're going to -- no. You want -- they're going to stand with the people, who want to kill them first.

See, this is how smart they are!

This is why it's going to work out well, in New York City.

Let me just say. If you have an ounce of common sense, you run a business, you have an ounce of wealth. And I don't mean wealth like, you know, hey, Lovey.

Let's get on the boat for a three-hour tour with a suitcase full of cash. I mean you saved anything, anything, get the hell out of New York City.

I mean, this is about survival. This is about free speech. This is about women's rights.
Religious pluralism. Secular legal systems. Liberal democracy.

But it's also about failed principles of Communism. Okay?

First, you have to call out political Islam for what it is. Okay?

And we have to do it with the clarity that we call out white nationalism.

Got to do it with that. Got to -- you know, the Klan. Really bad people.

Really bad people.

Anybody who is shouting for globalized intifada?

Pretty bad. Pretty bad people.

Okay?

Now, let's get to communism.

Because that's another cool, cool angle of the new Democratic candidate for -- for mayor of New York City.

That I just -- I think is cuddly and cute. Sure, it led to 100 million deaths. But this time, New York is going to be radically different. Oh, did I use the word radical?

I didn't mean to use that. What's radical about this guy?

Nothing. He's just like you!

Well, not exactly.

But let's talk about communism, next!

Now, the new mayoral candidate that's running there in New York City. That so many young people rushed to defend and vote for. He's promising free buses.

That's going to work out.

Where are you going to get the money for free buses.

It's free!

City-run grocery stores.

Oh, rent freezes. And finally somebody has done it. A 30-dollar minimum wage.

So under the banner of equity. And, you know, we will tax the wealthy. And the corporations. You know, we're going to squeeze another $10 billion out of them.

Really?

Because they're going to call a U-Haul.

You know, they will call something like U-Haul. There will be a lot of -- there will be a lot of movers that are like, how do I get the truck back from Texas or Florida back up to New York? Nobody is moving up there.

But he's going to do it.

Now, his vision isn't really new. You know, just -- just tax people, so we could have city-run grocery stores. You know, I remember -- I'm old enough to remember those city-run grocery stores in Moscow.

They were great.

The shelves were empty.

But that's just Moscow.

It worked out completely different in Venezuela.

Where, oh, no.

It didn't. That's right. The grocery store.

They were eating the zoo animals.

But it will be different in New York.

Because they have rent controls too.

And that will just choke the housing supply, but don't worry. As a young family.

You know, you voted for it.

You know better.

It will work this time.

So, you know, I like building ideas, I just don't like usually building on the graves of 100 million people.

But, you know, why not? Why not?

You know, use this dogma.

And this time, it will be different. It's not like it was in China. Where the great leap forward, was a gross -- a gross parody of progress. Venezuela, which was oil rich. One of the richest nations in the hemisphere now sees 90 percent of its population in poverty!

Yeah. Darn it. You know what they did?

They decided to take state control of things.

You know, like grocery stores. And it worked out well. How is that free busing working out in Venezuela?

I just want to -- I just want to know.

Anyway, then you've got the globalize the intifada. Which is going to drop a little violence in, and anti-Semitism in with your communism.

Which is weird!

Because violence and anti-Semitism, always happen. When it -- when it comes to -- when it comes to communism.

This is weird!

I've got to play something for you. Because this has talked about on me earlier this morning.

Oh, wow.

Wait a minute. This is -- this is the whole coalition coming together here.

So this is going to be good. New York, this is going to be great.

It's going to be great for you.

No. He's going to uplift you. Then the social fabric of New York City is just going to be -- just one.

It's going to be fantastic. Don't worry about your 120 billion dollars in debt. Or your 10 billion-dollar deficit that you have right now.

You are going to charge the rich more taxes, and they will stay right there.

They will be like, you know what, that 46 percent in taxes that I'm paying, this is just not enough. It's just not enough.

I need to pay 60 or 70 percent to be able to pay my fair share. So that's good. That's good. That's good.

You know, they're not risking 100 million people. It's just 8 million people.

This time, it's just 8 million people.

But, hey. For those of you in upstate New York. That aren't going to be part of this experiment.

Don't worry, you get to pay for it. Because they'll kick it up to the state. The state will have to subsidize everything. And don't you love it?

Really, don't you want to subsidize the really crazy ideas of New York City?

I mean, why don't you have a -- why don't you have a democratic socialist. A/k/a communist mayor.

Why haven't you done that? Are you not progressive enough? Are you not looking into the future?

Are you stuck in the past?

I don't know. I don't know. The graveyard is pretty big. I have a hard time getting past that one. You know, yeah, so I'm stuck in the past. Because I can't seem to pass that graveyard, and get to be down the path with you. But it's going to be a paradise.

Forget arithmetic. You know, or human nature. This time, it's going to work. It's going to work. So all right!

Wish I lived in this morning.

No wait. Nope. I don't. Nope, I don't.

And Ted Cruz, stop it. Stop writing, hey, come to Texas. No. No. Don't come to Texas. Don't come to Florida. Go to California. It's beautiful this time of year. Go there. Go there.