RADIOFebruary 10, 2023

Mike Pompeo: Why ENDING the Deep State could ‘TAKE YEARS’

Mike Pompeo, who served as director of the CIA during President Trump’s time in the White House, has witnessed America’s Deep State firsthand. So, Pompeo knows exactly which steps must be taken to END it once and for all. In this clip, Pompeo joins Glenn to describe the best way to ‘unplug’ and ‘break down’ the Deep State — which exists not only in the State Department, he says, but in parts of the Justice Department, the Department of Education, and more, as well. He says fixing the system IS possible, but it could ‘take years.’ Plus, Pompeo gives his thoughts on Ukraine and Vladimir Putin, rumors about The Nord Stream Pipeline, and China’s spy balloon…

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GLENN: Mike Pompeo. Mike, how are you, sir?

MIKE: Glenn, I'm great. How are you today?

GLENN: I'm really good. I've been looking forward to this. I hope we find time to sit down for a longer podcast.

MIKE: I promise you, I'll do it.

GLENN: All right. I have so many things for you. But I want to start off with something that is in your book, that I absolutely love.

When you met Kim Jong-un, in North Korea, the meeting began with Kim saying, what? To you?

MIKE: It was really quite something.

Easter weekend 2018, clandestine mission, Dark Knight. Met with Jim and Kim. Had one colleague with me, and the first thing it says to me. I walk in, there's lots of theater.

And we walk in, and he says, Mr. Director. I was CIA director at the time. He said, Mr. Director, I did not think you would come, since you've been trying to kill me.

Obviously through a translator. And I remember, Glenn, you'll appreciate this. I prepared for this. We studied.

What might he say? This was not on the bingo card.
(laughter)

MIKE: So I remember, I hear the translater. I pause for just a second. And I think, well, that's pretty tough. And I said, Mr. Chairman, you should know, I am still trying to kill you.

My colleague smiled. Andy, great guy. Smiled. And then the translation hits him. And he laughs too.

Which was very --

GLENN: Yeah. That's -- that's good when you're standing with a dictator that kills people, and he's on his turf.

MIKE: He knew it was tongue and cheek a little, in the same way that his barb at me was, but I think it also set the course for the relationship we built over the coming years.

GLENN: Right. Right.

How would you describe the American Deep State?

And did you see it in action?

And what is it, exactly?

MIKE: Oh, Glenn. It's -- yes, I saw it. It is real. One can describe it as the Deep State. Or the resistance. Here's how I came to understand it. Really as the State Department.

To be honest with you. It is a left of center. Left of left, perhaps. Left of center bureaucracy that is deeply of Washington, DC. Deeply establishment. And so when you have someone like President Trump or me, who says, both didn't work. We're going to try it a different way. We're going to take a little bit risk. We're going to defend America first. Oh, my gosh, Glenn. It was a mess. They resisted what we did. They undermined. They would leak memos. I saw memos in the press before they got to my desk, Glenn, so many times.

And this is problematic. Not because of me. It's problematic, because that's not what the Constitution requires. Or what our Founders thought about America. So the next president, it's going to take -- it's going to take a while. But this could be fixed.

GLENN: So how can a president come in, be elected? Because I'm concerned. I agree with term limits. But term limits, also, for people who are serving in Washington, DC, and all jobs, all levels, how do you -- how can you clean this up, without shutting it down, and, you know, did you unplug it and plug it back in?

That's pretty much what we have to do.

SPEAKER ONE: That's a great analogy. Yes, unplug it. You have to break it down. By the way, not just the State Department. Good parts of the Justice Department.

Most specialists, civil rights division. The entire Department of Education.

These are lost. And so, yes. The next president. There's two things. First, you have to get your team on the field.

One of the things we did not do is, we were two years into the administration. And we still had Obama people occupying political positions. That's just a failure.

And we have to get good at that. The conservative movement has to get good.

Just like we have to collect and harvest ballots, we have to get good about being fearless about terminating the bad guys and promoting the good good guys. And then second, big, team structures reforms inside these. And it will cost political capital, Glenn. I can see why a president would not do it, they have plenty of things. But this is a lasting change that one could make (?) how you -- we have three unions at the State Department, Glenn. Nobody even knows it. Right?

Every one of (?) collective argument agreement. You can't promote merit. You can't fire those who aren't on the team. This is a calamity. It is fixable. You put good cabinet members in. They hire the right folks. You can clean it up. It will take years, I'll be honest. Because you have (?) the talent that comes in, has to be American patriotic. Not aa part of the Washington establishment. But it is doable (?)

GLENN: I'm sure you know that I am one of the chief conspiracy theorists on the World Economic Forum and the Great Reset.

Do we have a lot of time? I mean, it is very concerning with tech, and the way it seems the entire entire West is throwing in their lot with very authoritarian style plan.

JEFF: I'm very concerned about it. (?) time is short. Not hours (?) heading down the direction. Glenn, you know this. Starts with the schools. Teach kids garbage. Teach kids crap. The parents don't (?) logic, reason, the things that -- right? The things that we know prevent us from being a liberal. A liberal society that has made America such an exceptional civilizational hero. We got to get it right. It is a collective -- it is in all of our big institutions. I was very worried. I was a soldier long time ago now. I'm worried about our military headed down that same path of forgetting what its mission is. That is an institution that is central to the -- culturally from&from a security perspective. (?) and when we get these things wrong. Hard to get back from.

GLENN: We're talking to Mike Pompeo, he has a book out, which is extraordinarily great and Frank. It's called never give an inch. (?) former secretary of state.

Let me -- let me ask you a couple of questions here: First of all, Ukraine.

I mean, I've done enough research on Ukraine, and the Biden administration. And the -- and the Obama administration. That is deeply corrupt.

I -- I don't mind, you know, aiding and praying for, and even helping privately, you know, people who want to be free.

But I'm very concerned where we're going on this. Because it -- it appears to me, everybody who is in charge, is like, yeah. Let's go. Let's go. We're going to war.

Touring with tanks being sent over, and offensive weaponry?

MIKE: Glenn, I actually do. But not for -- not for the -- the reason some have articulated. Your predicate is exactly spot-on. I talk about it in the book.

You're right. It's a pretty wide open document.

You bank me long enough. This is how I think. (?)

Not for the reasons often articulated. Ukraine has huge corruption problems. But my concern is about the American people.

We lost the -- you know, Vladimir Putin, didn't invade Europe on our watch. He took (?) he went at it again as soon as we left, under Biden. We cannot allow him to continue to Rome about Europe. The innocent (?) there's an American interest there.

It's not -- I think we can do this. He hasn't asked for our kids yet. (?) he's just asking him to provide him with tools and capabilities. That's the quickest way to bring this to a conclusion. (?) really dumb, that draws the whole world into this. Which is a real danger. And I spent a fair amount of time with Vladimir Putin. I'm more concerned about it, than others. I think he's not going to go quietly into the knight night. If we can (?) fight and die. That's something that matters to every American. And we ought to try to get it right there.

GLENN: So I -- Mike Lee spent a lot of time yesterday, looking at the Seymour Hersh article. And trying to track down. He's coming on the air in about an hour, to find out what he found.

He said initially, he was disturbed. Because he didn't believe it. But he also kind of did.

I mean, he didn't. He said, I hate to put words in his mouth. But he was like, these are the kinds of things that now, we do need to actually seriously question. Because these kinds of things could happen.

But he didn't think it was true.

As former CIA director, the Nord Stream pipeline, do you think we had anything to do with that at all?R

MIKE: Let me begin by saying, I don't know. (?) I don't have access to that kind of information any longer.

GLENN: But see, that's what Mike was saying. He was disturb does that he didn't know.

MIKE: Yeah. He should have access. These are the United States senators. He should have access.

I'm glad he will success it out. Figure out what happened there.

I will say this, Joe Biden would not (?) the chance he would blow up a pipeline, that belonged to the Germans, seems low to me.

GLENN: Okay. All right.

MIKE: It seems out of character.

GLENN: Good. Okay.

MIKE: But goodness, we should figure it out.

Look, I think it's more likely than not, that the Russians actually did this. I read the piece. There were a comments from Victoria new land (?) and from the president himself. They're kind of odd statements. So we should go figure it out. But my sense is, if I were to maybe take my own money. I think this was a Russian operation aimed at denying energy to what they thought would be a cold winner here. It just hasn't panned out.

GLENN: And the Chinese spy balloon. We spent (?) with a 40 million-dollar plane.

And then -- and then what are they saying in, oh. It was not a risk. Well, then, why did we shoot it down?

What is this?

MIKE: They've disassembled since the beginning. This was a spy operation (?) imagery pictures. Probably signals too. Trying to listen to what was going on. And they were also testing our air defenses. And finally, they were testing President Biden to see what he would do. Someone asked me yesterday. Would this have (?) under the Trump administration. And I think, yes. And I would have been the former secretary of state, very quickly.
(laughter)
So -- so -- and it was funny. Glenn, you remember. Oh, this happened. And we all came out and said, no. I guess we were all just smoking dope, right?

And the truth of the matter, we know they lied. Nobody knew about this before. This was a blunder on their watch. Not so much (?), but Xi Jinping is confident now, that he can push this president around.

That deterrence model we had, Glenn. That was so important to the American people.

When you lose that, you create space. What's the old southwest line. Feel free to move about the cabin. I think the bad guys are feeling pretty damn free to move about the cabin.

If you live (?) that creates an awful lot more risk.

GLENN: Is China the risk I think it is?

And is it -- how much of a role does the business dealings of the Biden administration, or Biden and his family, have to do with giving China a pass on so much?

SPEAKER ONE: Boy, I don't know if that's the motivation from their failure to confront this.

The greatest threat to the United States. The Chinese Communist Party. They could be -- we should get to the bottom of everything that's on that laptop.

To figure out where that leverage might be from the Chinese Communist Party. Not just President Biden. But lots of folks in his administration. Were doing lots of business in China. Before he came into office.

GLENN: I mean, Mitch McConnell is a big one too.

Mitch McConnell --

SPEAKER ONE: Totally not partisan. Got this right for America.

There's (?), but the yellow helmet and the blue helmet. This is protecting the United States. They're inside our (?) inside our universities. Massive spy (?) that I shut down.

And we just -- we let it go on for years. If we get the chance to do the podcast.

I would love to spend more time.

My fear (?) something that might happen in Taiwan or Japan or (?) it's what's happening inside the gates here. And every American should be aware of it. And we should protect ourselves. And we can -- we should be successful. I believe we will.

I see no evidence, this president is going to do that.

GLENN: Well, Mike, I appreciate your time.

(?) let's book some time on a podcast.

MIKE: We'll make it happen, Glenn Beck Program.

GLENN: God bless. You bet.

Former secretary of state, and former CIA director. And author of the Book, Never Give an Inch.

Mike Pompeo

EXCLUSIVE: Chip Roy Explains His FIERY Rejection of Spending Bill

According to the media, there’s a big fight going on between Republicans over the House’s new slimmed-down continuing resolution spending bill. Some, including President-elect Donald Trump, wanted the bill to pass. But others, like Texas Representative Chip Roy, argued that it still wasn’t ready. However, is the Republican “unity coalition” really crumbling, like the media claims? Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn to explain what’s really going on. He argues that he IS trying to give Trump and DOGE a 100-day “runway” to fix the country. But he makes the case that, by increasing the debt ceiling by $5 trillion without agreeing on other cuts, this bill gives bad actors the ability to be an “obstacle” to Trump’s agenda further down the line. Plus, he reveals to Glenn that he believes some of these bad actors LEAKED false information about his stance to Mar-a-Lago.

Transcript

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GLENN:

I think we have a great opportunity today. To show you how to have a -- tough conversation, with friends, friends. Where you deeply disagree on something.

But you know that their intent is good. They know my intent is good. Or our intent is good.

And we actually have the same end goal, but we disagree on the path. And we're going to walk away friends.

Chip Roy is joining us today. And, Chip, I love you. And I always will. And I agree with your, we've got to cut spending. We have to. But Liz Wheeler is with me. And we've been talking about it all morning. It's the -- the -- the -- the system of DOGE and Trump, the call-out to the world, in saying, you've got to surrender the Capitol. You know, the bad guys are in and about to take all the money.

Surround, and tell them, come out with your hands up. And that happened. And we scored a massive win, in an entirely new way.

Ask then you stood on principle, one we both agree with.

And it failed!

And so here's -- here's what Liz and I were talking about. Here's what we want to say to you.

And then get your response.

LIZ: Hi, Congressman Roy, this is the way I see it. I want your take on it. I love you. I think you're one of the best members of Congress. I disagree with you on the process that's happening. And I think that is the difference. The process. We elected Donald Trump to be a disruptor. Because Republican members of Congress for decades have been telling they're fiscal conservatives. They want to decrease the debt SEAL. It hasn't happened.

It hasn't -- it hasn't been done. And so Donald Trump comes in with Elon Musk, and uses this DOGE process to first identify these pieces of garbage in the first 1500-page bill. And take those things to the people. We took them to members of Congress. Congress said, okay. We'll listen to you.

So that new process was very effective.

And my question to you is: Once that process was proved to be effective. Which I think is exciting and wonderful.

How do we bridge this divide, with you, to say, okay.

Let's put some faith in this new process. And trust Elon Musk and Donald Trump and the Dow Jones process, to eventually address the debt ceiling, but get this done right now?

GLENN: And not blind trust. Chip.

CHIP: So appreciate you guys. Appreciate being on the show. Particular order. I have to go through a couple of things.

GLENN: Yep.

CHIP: Number one, it's important to remember that my job and my duty is to the Constitution, to God, and the people I represent. I told them, when I came to Washington, I would not -- I would not let the credit card and the debt ceiling and the borrowing of the United States without the spending restraints necessary to offset it.

GLENN: Okay.

CHIP: Right now, all we have are promises and ideas and notions. What I know, that neither of you respectfully no, and that none of your listeners respectfully no are the people that are in the room, that I was in with yesterday. And the day before, who are recalcitrant.

And do not want to do the spending cuts that we need to do.

That I believe the president and the DOGE guys. And everybody want to do.

My job, is to force that through the meat grinder. To demand that we do our damn job. Okay?

GLENN: Okay. So hang on. Okay. So wait. Wait. You're right. You're right. You're right. Go ahead.

CHIP: Number thee, when we were going through the bill, I'm glad the bill dropped from 1,550 pages to 116 pages. Three-quarters of Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it, have been out there spreading false facts that we supported a bad bill and didn't like the better bill.

That's not true. But let's be Lear. The 1400 pages that were cut out. It's a panacea.

There were some good stuff in there. There were some bad stuff in there. There was a lot of disinformation.

There wasn't a $70,000 pay raise. There was a 3,000-dollar pay raise.

I didn't support any pay raise. I didn't support a lot of the stuff in there.

But there's a lot of misinformation. And here's the thing: The 116 pages that were left, and I opposed violently the first bill. I was leading the charge on fighting and killing the first bill.

GLENN: And I love you.

LIZ: The second bill for 116 pages. Turned off -- turned off the pay go requirement. That we slash 1.7 trillion automatically.

And added a 5 trillion that are increase.

My view was, I could not support that, without a clear understanding of what cuts we would get, in mandatory spending next year. And undo any of the Inflation Reduction Act.

The undoing of the student loans. The undoing of the crap with the food stamps.

And everything else. I yield back.

GLENN: Okay. I yield back.

Chip, you're not in a hostile room. We love you. And we agree with your end goals. It's our end goal too. We didn't make that promise that you made to the people that voted for you. So we have more wiggle room here.

But you say -- I think our big difference is, you say, I know the guys in the room.

You're right. You do. And we -- we ceded that earlier today on the show.

You are -- one of us is wrong on trust.

I don't trust any of the weasels in Washington.

But I think Donald Trump and Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy have earned enough trust, to get a grace period, here for the first -- maybe the first year.

Or at least six months.

To turn the economy around, and also reduce the size of the government.

And totally flip this thing.

And I know, as somebody who is -- you know, run a company, mainly into a ground. But run a company, and have to switch it, in the middle, and totally reshuffle. That -- that actually costs money, while you're doing it, to bridge the gap.

Because you have to fill up holes while you're filling in the gap.

You don't trust the people in the room. Neither do we.

But we do trust the system that worked on Wednesday with DOGE and Donald Trump.

Where do we disagree?

Can you give them --

CHIP: We don't disagree. And yesterday morning, I was making that precise argument in a room full of conservatives and then a follow-up room with people who will call it, less conservatives.

GLENN: Republican. Yes.

CHIP: And so we were making this argument. And then someone infamously. Something leaked out of the room, somehow out to Mar-a-Lago. That I was being resistant. Because I was negotiating trying to get the agreement to achieve the objective that you just said. I was trying to get, okay. In fact, yesterday morning, I made the argument to a group of conservatives. We need to give the president runway. We need to give him his first 100 days. We need to appreciate JD, and Vivek, and all the people -- and everybody involved. For the president to achieve the objective.

But to get there. We have to make sure that the guys in the room, that are an obstacle to that, don't have the ability to block it.

Because information flow matters. And when those guys tell the president, they can't achieve X.

Then the president will not achieve X. Our job was to force and demand, guys, we need actual understanding of what the cuts will be.

And because otherwise, we're asking us to accept a 5 trillion-dollar limit in our credit card increase. In exchange for nothing!

Literally, in exchange for nothing, but -- but hope.

So our job was to force that change.

Unfortunately, while I was trying to make the argument that we needed something in order to get the votes, someone leaked that down to Mar-a-Lago, and the president reacted.

But now I have to now manage that.

GLENN: Right. I know. I know.

CHIP: They're trying to enforce change in town.

GLENN: So hang on.

We have to leave this. Because I'm going to run against the clock.

I could talk to you all day about this. You were in a meeting this morning about J.D. Vance. Can you tell us anything about that meeting?

CHIP: That meeting happened, because despite what happened yesterday, I'm trying to get this done. Last night, talking to JD, we worked to get this meeting done. We had some good progress this morning.

But there still remains people concerned about spending. That we can work out, what agreement we can reach. On what spending cuts. We can actually get next year, in exchange for giving the vote on a debt ceiling increase.

So it remains fluid. Progress was made. But we have to keep working on it.

And I left that meeting to talk to you. Soil get an update in a minute.

GLENN: Thank you for that, by the way.

I hear there is a new bill that may be coming today.

Is that the one you're talking about?

Or is this another bill that could be another nightmare?

CHIP: Despite other people leaking crap, I refused. I can't say, because it's not been decided by the speaker.

And it's not right to talk about things they're talking about in private meetings.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's -- it's this speaker. I mean, is he really the speaker anymore, Chip, really?

CHIP: We need to hear what bill we need to get forward. And I can't talk about the private meetings. But, look, I'm going to keep fighting for what I promised people that I represent.

I'm going to fight to cut spending. I am going to represent article one.

I'm going to support the president's agenda, but we've got to do that together.

GLENN: Okay.

Chip, thank you.

I think we can -- I think we agree, but I await to see what that means to you. Because we may just have to agree to disagree on this.

But I love you. And I still want you to replace Cornyn.

CHIP: The short version is, for inflation's sake, we cannot increase the debt ceiling $5 trillion without knowing what we're getting for it.

And I don't think anybody should disagree with that.

GLENN: But you don't disagree that Elon Musk and Trump and Vivek are serious about gutting the system.

CHIP: I believe that is their objective. I believe there are obstacles to that objective. And I need to know the sincerity of how we deal with those obstacles, both structural, and human. And we have to figure that out. And that's my job.

America's Favorite Villain Is Ready for Nuclear Fallout. Are You? | Glenn TV | Ep 401

In this episode of Glenn TV — a theatrical how-to guide to survive the breakdown of society after a nuclear attack, according to the new movie “Homestead” from Angel Studios. Glenn Beck interviews the movie’s star and executive producer, Neal McDonough, who plays the head of a family trying to survive as society is breaking down in a postapocalyptic world. You’ve probably seen Neal in everything from the hit TV shows “Yellowstone,” “Suits,” and “Justified” to movies like “Captain America,” “Minority Report,” and the groundbreaking mini-series “Band of Brothers.” Glenn asks Neal what it’s like to play a villain so often, how TV and movies are changing, and how he survived Hollywood as a devoted Christian and husband who refuses to do onscreen kissing scenes with any of his female co-stars. They also discuss his battle with alcoholism, what it’s like working the legends like Sylvester Stallone and Kevin Costner, and the cultural craving for Western cinema. Note: Angel Studios is a sponsor of “The Glenn Beck Program.” Get your tickets for “Homestead” at https://Angel.com/Beck.

Biden FLOODED the Government With DEI, But Trump Has ONE Way to Win

With just weeks left in office, President Biden (or whoever’s actually calling the shots) has decided to hire 1,200 DEI officials. Is this part of a plot to undermine Donald Trump’s plans and make it harder for him to rid the government of woke Deep State bureaucrats? Glenn and fellow BlazeTV host ‪@lizwheeler‬ discuss how other Democrats have recently proposed things like this, including a UK-style “shadow cabinet” that would oppose Trump. Liz also gives her advice to Trump on how to deal with these new DEI officials, who will be paid hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to focus on things like “health equity” …

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GLENN: Okay. Where were we, Liz?

LIZ: The Biden administration. Although, not Biden. Because he can't tell the difference between a nickel and a dime, trying to sabotage the Trump administration.

GLENN: Yeah. So the latest on this is now Biden is hiring 1200. Biden is not doing it.

But he's hiring 1200 DEI officials, and putting them just under the appointed official. So there will be 1200.

Some of these people make almost $400,000 a year. $400,000 a year! That's your tax dollar!

Will you -- in your -- in your life, your average person, I don't know if you'll ever even -- if you'll ever even pay $400,000 in taxes?

So you could be working your whole life, for that one hire.

And he's hired 1200 of them.

And all he's trying to do is make sure the DEI positions just can't get cut.

I've got news for you.

Donald Trump is going to cut those positions.

He's going to. And it's going to get ugly.

I mean, the ACLU was all over this, saying, oh, we've got plans. We're going to -- we're going to -- this is obscene.

This is absolutely obscene. What the Democrats are trying to do. By thwarting the president.

And honestly, thwarting the will of the American people. Remember the speech that was given by I don't know, some boob from -- well, one of the Carolinas.

I don't want to besmirch the other one for electing a boob. But he was -- he was giving a speech in the well of the Senate. And he said, we need a shadow government. What?

Hold it. You mean a Deep State. Because we already have one of those. And he said. This is a quote.

One of the most obscene things I've ever heard from an elected representative. We failed to make our case. That our policies are better.

Now, in my world, growing up in America, the next sentence is: We need to sit down and talk and find out why we're out of step, with the American people.

His was, but we know we're right. So we need a shadow government, to make sure we put our policies in, anyway.

There's nothing more un-American than that.

By the way, Ted Cruz also said, he thinks there's criminal charges that could be lodged against Biden and his administration for the selling of the steel and the walls for the border.

I think so too. I think so too. He'll probably end up blanketing or pardoning everybody that has either lived by a Biden. Or a Democrat.

Worked for the administration. Everybody will get a pardon at the end.

Honestly, it's like, hey. Everybody, Oprah is here.

Look under your seats.

Because you've got a pardon. You've got a pardon. And you've got a pardon.

Ugh!

Now...

PAT: The Department of Health and Human Services on November 15th. This is posted immediately after President Trump has been reelected.

They advertised for the following position. A deputy assistant secretary for Minority Health. With a salary of up to 221 thousand dollars. This is the goal of this position.

Or this is the purpose of this position.

To, quote, promote health equity.

To promote health equity.

What does that mean?

It means racial criminalization in health care.

It means, if you are seeking, I don't know.

Think about during the pandemic. When there was limited resources. Limited beds in the emergency room.

Limited amounts of drugs and therapeutics, that people could access, in order to treat COVID when it's at its worse.

Well, now you will be screened based on the color of your skin.

That's what health equity is. Health equity is a word used to disguise the reality, that it's just -- it's socialism.

It's discrimination.

It requires, a government official to look at you, and make a decision about whether or not you are going to have access to health care that you might need, based on what you look like.

Not based on the severity of your illness. Not based on your ability to pay. Not based on your request for care. But based on the color of your skin. That's not only wrong and immoral and completely absurd, that a bureaucratic in that position would make over $221,000. That's evil. The left likes to pretend, that you're a racist. Or I'm a racist. Just for voting for Donald Trump. This is evil racism. This is the kind of stuff that we eradicated from our country.

And Biden is trying to plant the Trump administration. With these evil little minions before he leaves.

GLENN: I mean, why are we -- why are we surprised?

How many anti-slavery amendments do we have, to the Constitution.

I mean, it's amazing to me. With very few exception, after ten, most of these seem to be like, oh.

Yeah. Okay.

You're so stupid, you don't understand.

Slaves need to be free. Okay.

Then the next amendment is like, okay. All right.

Let me limp up to explain this once more.

That means, they're Americans, and can vote!

How many amendments are -- are just one after another, especially on slavery.

And, by the way, who was it that didn't understand that slaves should be freed? The Democratic Party.

It -- I swear to you, these amendments are just, God, we didn't think you would be this stupid.

It's already covered!

But let's lay it out clearly, for you.

You cannot discriminate by color! By race! By religion.

We thought that had already been covered, but apparently, not.

LIZ: What I would do if I were the Trump transition team. This is obviously a deliberate effort by the Biden administration. Because within the first ten days after the election, 33 of these jobs were posted on government websites.

So this was -- they were like, okay. Trump is coming in. Let's start ceding the deep state with these races. What I would do if I were Trump transition is I would say, we take racial equality, very seriously. We take civil rights very seriously.

In the administration, of the 47th president of the United States, and anybody who engages, especially a government official who engages in racial discrimination will be prosecuted. And prevent these people from even accepting these jobs. Because they will be threatened with legal action if they do.

GLENN: You can make a legal case. A solid, legal case, that that is exactly right. And that's what should be done.

They would be doing that to us, if we were -- if we were discriminating on race. If we were like, you know what, we're only going to hire white people.

We would go to jail.

Oh, you know what. We're just going to shuffle the deck here.

We're going to look at everybody.

But we lean towards white people.

Did you have Wheaties for breakfast?

If you had Wheaties as a childhood, you're in a different category. Okay?

I mean, we would go to jail. We would be shut down.

It's the same thing.

But don't expect the Democrats to get it.

Did you see the new -- or the DNC chair front runner?

The one they're thinking should be the head of the DNC?

He said, the problem with the election is, the convention should have featured pro-Hamas activists.

LIZ: I totally agree. That absolutely should have --
GLENN: At least they would have been honest.
LIZ: Think about how many Democrat voters, and really prominent people too.

I'm talking about Joe Rogan. I'm talking about Elon Musk. I'm talking about RFK Jr. These were fairly hard-core Democrats, who not only converted to being like, okay. We'll tolerate a Republican. Because it's not Joe Biden.

It's not Kamala Harris.

These people are the biggest supporters of President Trump right now, because of that kind of garbage. So DNC, if you are going to be radical, please be honest and tell us.

Thank you. It's just ushering new Republican voters right into our arms.

GLENN: I respect you, more than I respect people like Mike Johnson.

Mike Johnson doesn't tell me what -- he doesn't tell me what he really is.

What he really believes.

He tells me what I want to hear. I don't believe it. Then he's elected. Then he gets in.

And then he rapes you.

You know, I have much more respect for -- for people who are like, yeah. I'm pro-Hamas.

And you should elect me.

Well, I don't think I'm going to do it.

But thank you for telling me who you really are.

LIZ: Yeah. Great. Let's take all of the Democrat members of Congress. And let's Jamaal Bowman them, let's Cori Bush them.

Because as soon as they were honest about being pro-Hamas, voters were like, actually, we're good.

GLENN: Yep. Yep.

By the way, Hochul has come out. And she has now tried to stir up support to end the electoral college.

Because no offense, Wyoming, according to her words, New York voted for Kamala Harris.

You know, it is so dishonest. And this would -- this would have no space, if -- if we were actually teaching you students, what the electoral college is for.

You want to talk about fairness. Here's fairness: Should New York City dictate what all of New York does?

No!

They have representation. Of all the small towns.

All the farming towns.

Everything else.

New York City, should not be the one that tells everyone else, exactly how to live!

I think there should be electoral colleges in states now.

Because the cities are just devouring, all of the communities outside of those mega cities.

The electoral college is to make sure, that New York, California, and let me say, Texas, doesn't run over all of the other states!

And force how they're living in those cities, and those big states. In Wyoming!

Or Idaho!

Or Alabama!

Yeah. I don't have to live like you do in New York City.

I don't want to live like you do in New York City.

And we have completely different values than you do.

We should have a say, and an even, equal seat at the table.

That's why we have the electoral college. And we have the popular vote.

So you can see. And it's usually pretty close.

This time, however, Hochul, you lost the popular vote!

So you don't really have a case here, on the electoral college.

But you don't have a case.

If you're an American, you don't have a case on the electoral college anyway.

LIZ: Wait a second. Have we war gamed the scenario that you just proposed.

If there was an electoral college on the state level in California or on the state level in New York, what would the -- have we actually looked at a map here. If anybody has done this. Tag me on social media.

Because I am fascinated by this idea. I've not thought of this before. But I -- would we actually swing those states Republicans, if there was a state level?

STU: I bet we would. I bet we would.

You know, every time. Look at Wyoming.

Jackson Hole now controls Wyoming. Just controls it.

Who is -- who is so close to controlling Texas?

All the big cities.

You know, you don't have a chance. When these cities grow so large, they tip everything.

That's why we have an electoral college.

And it didn't used to be this way.

But our cities are becoming mega cities.

Almost states in and among themselves.

You -- you have to balance. Otherwise, the farmer and everybody else, that makes your life possible, in a city, gets screwed.

GLENN: And also think about cheating for a second. If you have a popular vote across the whole country, versus an electoral college system, it's a lot easier to impact the outcome of the entire presidential election because you can have one county somewhere with corrupt election officials.

And if they cheat by 10,000 votes, that could change the outcome of the election.

But if you're an electoral college, it doesn't necessarily.