RADIODecember 10, 2024

NBC News Leaves Out CRITICAL Context in Trump Interview

President-elect Donald Trump recently sat down with NBC News’ “Meet the Press” for his first sit-down interview since winning the 2024 election. Glenn and Stu review his statement on birthright citizenship and the CRITICAL context that interviewer Kristen Welker left out: The 14th Amendment doesn’t say, “all persons born in the United States are citizens.” The real quote includes a major qualifier that could allow Trump to end birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants without having to change the Constitution. Plus, Glenn and Stu review Trump’s comments on the war between Ukraine and Russia.

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Welcome to the program. And welcome to Stu Burguiere.

STU: Thank you, Glenn.

GLENN: You're welcome, Stu.

STU: And Donald Trump went on Meet The Press this weekend. This is what you're supposed to do if you're --

GLENN: Is it?

STU: Yeah, apparently so.

We're supposed to just reflexively go to NBC News whenever --

GLENN: Those days are over.

STU: Well, I thought they were too.

GLENN: Well, he has to do them.

STU: Well, does he? Does he have to do them?

GLENN: Yeah, I think he should do a little of everything.

You know what I mean? I think you shouldn't just go to podcasts. It's what Barack Obama did.

Remember? And he was doing interviews with -- who was that woman in the bathtub? And you're like, okay. This is ridiculous.

You don't have to do the bathtub one. But I think you should -- you should go on places, where you know --

STU: It's adversarial.

GLENN: It's adversarial. You won't get a good interview.

I think that's required as president.

STU: I agree with that. I --

GLENN: As president. Not necessarily as a --

STU: Even as a candidate, I think it's something you should do.

I mean, I think Kamala Harris shouldn't have done an adversarial interview at the campaign at some point, which she did not do.

GLENN: She didn't do interviews.

STU: In fact, she wasn't doing anything for a very long time.

And they switched strategies. And it did not help. In fact, it went the opposite direction.

I do wonder, there's the alternate world, what that election would have looked like, if she just continued to do nothing.

I think it would have been closer. I think if she never did an interview, it would have been closer.

GLENN: I think you're right on that.

I think you're right. The more she spoke.

The more you're like, oh, dear God, no.

STU: Don't do that.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: Because I think they correctly realized that there were a certain amount of people, who were very worried about a candidate that couldn't do an interview.

GLENN: Right.

STU: Right?

So they tried to solve that, by doing interviews.

And what they should have done was let those people go. Realize, they're not going to vote for you, and hope.

GLENN: Has anybody noticed.

And I am biased because I've been talking to him, off-air.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And watching him talk to a lot of people, you know, without cameras around.

And his -- his grasp on deep subjects, has changed a great deal. Have you noticed Donald Trump in interviews is not the same guy he was in 2020?

STU: Yeah. I think that's true.

He certainly seems to be more focused and has a real plan, as to what he's going to do. As we know it's directly project 2025. Which he commissioned. We should remember, of course. Yeah. No.

It does seem like, you made the description.

I think it was last week, which it has been sticking with me.

Which, after 2020, he spent four years, thinking, this isn't going to happen to me again.

Like, I'm going to make sure these things -- if I get a president -- if I'm able to become president again. I'm not going to be able to be hit by all of these --

GLENN: I won't be surprised ever again.

STU: Right. It seems like he's coming in, ready for this.

GLENN: Yeah. He's ready.

The other thing that has happened to him. That I think has cut down on his slams and everything else.

I mean, he still does.

You'll notice he's not as crazy on things. And I think that's --

STU: What do you mean not as crazy on things? Just not as worried about --

GLENN: You know, name-calling. You know what I mean?

He's not like that, as much.

Because I think he -- this is just my speculation.

Put yourself in his shoes.

In 2014, everybody on both sides, loved him.

Right?

Maybe not as the president. But they -- they loved him.

STU: As a celebrity.

He was a big celebrity.

GLENN: And he's a great guy. A philanthropist.

He's done so much.

And then he gets in, and everybody that -- that were his friends.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: That knew him, and knew what he was like. They all of a sudden, turned on him.

And I think that just took him by absolute surprise.

And he just kept -- he had to keep punching and punching and punching.

And I think now, a couple of things have happened. One, he just stopped caring. Because you -- you do care. No matter what anybody says, you do care.

He stopped caring. And then I think when he was shot, I think he found his purpose. And I also think in the following months, he kind of became cool again.

He became the guy who could go on Saturday Night Live, and make fun of himself.

STU: Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

GLENN: You know what I mean? And everybody would accept him.

He became kind of mainstream again.

So I don't think he feels that he has to punch anymore.

STU: Hmm. That's interesting. Yeah. I -- I have noticed a difference in him. I think getting shot. No matter what that is.

GLENN: Oh, yeah. That was critical. That was critical.

STU: It was.

GLENN: It has to change.

STU: Yeah. It has to change. So he's going into this with a real plan.

One part of this plan, this will be clip four. Is his plan to end birthright citizenship.

This is -- obviously, highly controversial. Many people on the left, do not like it at all.

They asked him about it, on meet The Press. Was it Wexler?

Christine Wexler.

GLENN: Yeah. Somebody who you've never heard of.

Because everybody you've heard of, has no credibility.
STU: There you go.

VOICE: You promised to end birthright citizenship on day one, is that still your plan?

VOICE: Yeah, absolutely.

VOICE: The Fourteenth Amendment says, quote, all persons born in the United States are citizens. Can you get around the Fourteenth Amendment, with an executive action?

DONALD: We maybe have to go back to the people, but we have to end it. We're the only county that has it. You know we're the only country that has it.

Do you know, if somebody sets a foot, just a foot. One foot. You don't need two. On our land, congratulations, you are now a citizen of the United States of America.

Yes, we're going to end that because it's ridiculous.

VOICE: Through executive action?

DONALD: Well, if we can through executive action, I was going to -- we had to fix COVID first, to be honest with you. We have to end it.

GLENN: Okay. So notice -- notice what happened here.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: She comes with the 14th. Stu, tell me why the Fourteenth Amendment was first written. What was that really about?

STU: I mean, is it wrong to say slavery?

GLENN: No. Slavery.

STU: You looked at me --

GLENN: No, no, no.

It was written for slavery.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: It was written because all citizens could vote.

And you have certain rights.

Blah, blah, blah. And so the southerners.

The Democrats said, well, they're not citizens.

They're not citizens.

They're from Africa.

STU: So they can't vote.

GLENN: So they can't vote.

Yeah. If you were born here. Even if you were born a slave, you're a citizen.

That's what that was about. That was not --

STU: About illegal immigration.

GLENN: That was not illegal immigration.

Come over here, get into a hospital. Have a baby.

And congratulations. Everybody is a citizen.

We are the only one that has it.

And the only reason we do have it is because of slavery.

It was a way to make sure that Democrats didn't just cut blacks out of the vote again.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: That's what's so crazy.

And so notice he says, we may have to go back to the people.

Can you just change that?

Well, no. It's a constitutional amendment.

So we may have to go back to the people.

He says that first.

Her immediate response is, through executive action?

No. I just -- I just said, we may have to go back to the people.

STU: There are several parts in this interview. Where she doesn't -- it doesn't seem she listens to him. She has the idea of what Donald Trump says in this moment.

Already acted it out with her producers multiple times. So she's just not listening.

GLENN: That's right. That's why none of them have any credibility. Because there's not an honest exchange.

There is no honest questions.

He just said, we may have to go -- he volunteered. We may have to go back to the American people, for that.

STU: Right.

GLENN: So you're suggesting that maybe it would be a constitutional amendment? Well, yeah. I think we would have to do it.

I might -- if I get stuck, I might find a way to do it with executive action. But it is a constitutional amendment.

So, yes, that's an honest conversation.

STU: Right. No.

GLENN: That's not what she did.

STU: No. Do we have this clip handy again, to play it again? I want to see if you catch this one little of this. This is clip four, again.

Listen to her verbiage of the Fourteenth Amendment.

VOICE: Do you promise to end birthright citizenship on day one?

Is that still your plan?

DONALD: Yeah. Absolutely.

The Fourteenth Amendment says though, quote, all persons born in the United States are citizens. Can you get around the Fourteenth Amendment?

STU: Okay. Stop.

Is that a quote?

All persons born in the United States are citizens?

That's what she said the Fourteenth Amendment says.

GLENN: You know, now that you ask me, I doubt it is. Have you looked it up?

STU: I have it. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, she leaves that out. But not necessarily important to the conversation.

But the next part is, comma, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, comma, are citizens of the United States and of the state written they reside.

The whole Fourteenth Amendment argument. And you might disagree with this part of it, is that that phrase, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, means that illegal immigrants are not included.

Now, I --

GLENN: How? How?

STU: Well, they're not subject to that jurisdiction.

GLENN: So, in other words, the -- well, if mom --

STU: They would be.

GLENN: If mom and baby, were there. Then they would be subject to that jurisdiction.

But the family would not be. Because they're someplace else?

STU: I think the argument, and again, I wouldn't say I'm an expert on the Fourteenth Amendment argument here.

GLENN: I'm going to tell you.

I am absolutely so far away from an expert. You might as well talk to a fisherman.

STU: What I have heard, people make this argument before.

GLENN: Okay.

STU: And the argument is basically to be subject to that jurisdiction. Is it not mean that you -- everyone, of course, has to follow the laws of a country, that you move into.

GLENN: Correct.

STU: To be subject of that jurisdiction. Means you have to have a basis in the country.

So it's not like you just cross the border. And, hey, I'm now a subject of this jurisdiction.

You're a visitor, right?

Or in this case, a criminal. And I'm crossing the border.

GLENN: Right.

STU: So you would not get necessarily those protections.

Of -- of that Fourteenth Amendment.

GLENN: May I just say, the only thing I hate the Founders for, is their use of commas.

STU: You know, it's a good point.

GLENN: Stop with the use of commas.

Could you please, for the love of Pete, the right to keep and bear arms.

Comma.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: Under a well-run regulated militia.

Comma. Shall not be infringed.

Can you stop with the commas? It makes it too complex now. Stop with the commas.

STU: Very true.

But I think, regardless of what you think about the argument, of the 14th amendment. And people who are -- who believe illegal immigrants would not be grandfathered into that.

If it's foundational to the argument, why would you skip it?

Right?

GLENN: Right.

STU: You have to bring that up. Because --

GLENN: Could you do me a favor?

Could you have ChatGPT? Or something like that?

STU: Yeah. Yeah.

GLENN: Type that in, and ask what that means.

STU: Sure. It will take me a second, obviously.

GLENN: Yeah, yeah. All right.

STU: Do you want to go on to the next clip.

GLENN: Yeah. Let's go to the next clip.

STU: Okay. Next someone on Ukraine.

And what needs to happen with Ukraine.

This is, again, Trump on Meet The Press.

There are people being killed in that war, at levels never been seen before.

You have to go back to the Second World War. And even that, if you take a look and you know what it is, it's the soldiers, largely. The cities have been emptied out and demolished.

The country has been demolished.

If I won that election. Which you know how I feel about it. I won't get into it.

Because we don't need to start that argument.

I think it was an easy argument.

It was really proven even more complicit than the win I had on this one.

Yeah, but that's your opinion, but I disagree with it. Had I assumed -- kept control.

Number one, Israel wouldn't have happened.

Number one, Ukraine would have never happened.

It would have never happened in Ukraine and Russia.

But the number of people being killed. Soldiers. Young, beautiful soldiers.

Hundreds of thousands of people are being killed.

And, you know, it's very interesting.

It's level. Totally level the battlefields.

Totally level.

The only thing that stops a bullet. Is a body. A human body. And the people being killed. Hundreds of thousands on both sides. Russia has lost probably 500 thousand. Ukraine has lost higher than they say.

Probably 400,000.

You're talking about hundreds of thousands of bodies, laying all over the fields.

It's the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

And it should have need been allowed to happen.

Biden should have been able to stop it.

GLENN: Amen!

He's absolutely right.

And when this is over, and the body count is actually revealed, and when you see. And when you see BlackRock there, rebuilding.

When you see all of these friends of the Bidens rebuilding.

When you see BlackRock owning the farmland.

Then maybe you will start to have some idea of how grotesque, this really was.

All right. More in just a second.

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GLENN: So let's go to Chat GPT.

And just see what it says about the Fourteenth Amendment and that particular phrase, between commas.

STU: And I will say our robot betters seem to have summarized this the same way that I understood it. So historically, the consensus among most legal scholars and historical practices has been the phrase, excludes only a few categories. This is the phrase of "not subject to the jurisdiction in the United States."

Those categories are children of foreign diplomats, enemy soldiers, and some Native American tribes, who maintain their tribal jurisdiction.

Legal precedent has largely supported the view that children born in the US to foreign citizens are indeed US citizens.

Regardless of the immigration status of the parents.

Then some conservatives argue, subject to the jurisdiction, thereof, excludes individuals who are in the country, illegally, as they are not legally subject to the jurisdiction in the same way as lawful residents or citizens.

GLENN: Yes.

STU: They claim that because illegal immigrants have not entered the country, and remain in it legally, that they or their children should not automatically receive citizenship.

That is my understanding of the debate. And, again, you can say, you disagree with the conservative side of that debate.

GLENN: Right.

STU: You know, many do.

But to -- to actually skip the phrase, that is important to the debate. When talking to the man, who is arguing the conservative side of that debate. Is journalism malpractice, at the very least.

And I think it's intentional.

I believe it's intentional. But I don't know.

GLENN: Wait. I think it's NBC.
(laughter)

STU: It's not intentional. It's NBC.

GLENN: It's NBC.

STU: It's just what we are.

GLENN: It's just what they do. Of course it is.

STU: Yes! And that's, again, like -- it goes back to our original conversation, as opposed to whether you Meet the Press or not.

Do you need to go to a place that is intentionally doing things like that?

I mean, that is -- that is inexcusable for the one phrase that's important to the debate, you leave out of the amendment?

I mean, that's obviously intentional.

GLENN: I like the fact that the president was calm, cool, collected. Didn't name call. Went through that whole thing.

Wasn't a fair interview. It was exactly what you would expect. But at least he went and talked to the other side.

STU: Yeah. I think it's worth doing to talk to the other side.

I think it's worth doing adversarial interviews.

I wish he had a little honesty.

I feel like when you went back on the show with Russer. That's what you got.

Was -- it wasn't an interview liked. A lot of times, he took things, and took the democratic side a little unfairly. But you wouldn't eliminate the part of the amendment, that is the debate.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: He wouldn't have done that.

GLENN: No. And he would have given you -- there were times, that Ruser -- you would be pissed off at him. Because it was your guy. But you would also be cheering for the other side. Because he was fair. He was even-handed.

It was all that really, we asked for.

Canada FORCED this hospice center to EUTHANIZE its patients?!

Canada is forcing its Medical Assistance in Dying program, which offers euthanasia as a “medical treatment” option, on hospice centers. Delta Hospice Society executive director Angelina Ireland joins Glenn Beck to give the horrific details of how far the government went to try and get her to bend the knee: “I call it a culling. It’s a Canadian cull.”

Transcript

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GLENN: Let me take you to Canada for just a second.

And I want to -- this is a story that happened a while ago. But I want to just show you the dangers of public/private partnerships.

You're hearing this all the time. And every time, Joe Biden would say, public will she private partnership. It was all the Green New Deal and everything else.

I kept saying, that is fascism. That is exactly the deal that Mussolini and Hitler made. That's the difference between Communism and fascism.

They let you do your own thing. But you're a partner with the government. And as long as you abide by all of their rules, you're fine!

But the minute you disagree, you don't have a say. They'll throw you out on the street, so fast, your head will spin.

And that's exactly what happened to a hospice center. The Delta Hospice Society.

I have the -- the executive director on. Angelina Ireland.

And I asked her to come on today, to tell us the story of what happened, to her hospice facility.

Angelina, thank you for joining me.

ANGELINA: Hello, again. Thank you so much for having me today.

GLENN: You bet. You bet.

So you -- the hospice society is a public/private partnership with Canada.

You guys raised $8.5 million to build this property. And you negotiated a 25 or 35 million-dollar lease for the property. Right?

Tell me about this.

ANGELINA: Right. So we're a private society. So a 34-year organization.

Palliative care is basically, you take care of people, when they're chronically ill or terminally ill. You take care of them well.

So we fundraised over a couple -- a few years ago, $8 million to open a hospice and a palliative care support center next door. And so we raised that money.

We got a 35-year land lease with the public health authority. We built two buildings. A ten-bed hospice, a 7500 square foot supportive care center, where we did our counseling, all the supportive programs.

And then the service agreement was for operating costs. So every year, they give us $1.4 million, and we built those buildings. We opened them, and we operated our program, at the hospice for ten years.

Everything went fine, until this thing they called, the state euthanasia program called MAID. Right?

GLENN: Maid.

ANGELINA: And then the province basically came to us and said, you will have to start providing euthanasia. You will have to start killing your patients in the hospice. Because you're getting -- you're getting public money, right?

We said, absolutely not. We absolutely will not.

At which point, you're exactly right.

The fascism kicked in. I just call it stone cold communism.

And said, you're not getting any money, if you don't start killing your patients.

So then they cancelled that service agreement.

Which means, that's fine.

Look, we don't need your money. We'll be fine without your money.

Which apparently is the wrong answer.
(laughter)

GLENN: Yeah.

ANGELINA: Then they went after the lease. And we had 25 years left on that land lease, and they cancelled it.

And now, these incidentals like the buildings on them, they just consider those to be some kind of an old shack or fence, and they expropriated. So at the end of the day, they evicted, the organization from our buildings. They expropriated those assets, which were valued at eight and a half million dollars. Kicked us out, and took -- took our stuff.

And then they -- they started to operate our hospice, and they put in the euthanasia.

GLENN: Unbelievable.

They give no money for the buildings. I mean, it was their land, right? That's kind of the public/private partnership. You're taking money from them to run it, but you said to them, we don't need it.

But also, that was -- was that not federal land, that you were on? Or some sort of medical kind of preparedness of Canada.

JASON: It was. Well, it was.

Which is considered to be -- well, it was belonged to the health authority, but it was a registered lease. The titled office with 25 years left.

GLENN: Right. Right.

ANGELINA: So we had a right to be there. And of course to continue on for another 25 years.

But, of course, no, they didn't allow it.

GLENN: So when you went to the court. What did the court say?

ANGELINA: Well, you see, we didn't that get far. Because we went to three very, very prominent lawyers. And they told us straight-up.

You're not going to win.

You understand this, people?

You might walk in with one lawyer. They're going to walk in with 15 lawyers, all funded by the taxpayer.

GLENN: The government. Yeah.

ANGELINA: And you may win the first round. But you will not win -- they will tie it up. And it's called lawfare. They advised us again and again and again, to just move on. Take our punches. Take the licking from the government, and move on.

The important thing for us, was to hold on to our organization.

Because then the euthanasia after this, came for us. To try to take everything.

And we still have assets. But we did lose our bricks and mortar in the moment.

GLENN: That is crazy.

You know, I have described what's happening all around the world. With the -- with the extreme left.

With Islamists.

Not Muslims.

Islamists.

What is happening with the Communists and the fascists, is a death cult. It all seems to revolve around death. They take glee in death.

And Canada is shockingly, in many ways, leading the way on this with MAID.

You don't even know how many people are killed now with MAID a year, do you?

ANGELINA: No. We don't. We do not. I call it a culling. It's a Canadian cull. They're killing the sick people, the mentally ill, the disabled. Veterans. Homeless. The poor.

And then they're going after the children. But we do not know the numbers, exactly. I mean, the government is admitting to 60,000. There's absolutely no way it's 60,000.

I think they forgot a zero.

It's widespread. It's now considered a health care option.

When the doctor comes to a sick and vulnerable patient and saying, how would you just like to die? It's gotten completely out of hand.

It's truly a national horror for Canadians. For certainly people of faith in my country.

Pro-life for my country.

That we have no control over this.

We have no access to authentic true numbers, information.

And this whole consortium, that I call empire MAID has taken over the health care system.

GLENN: What is the -- what's the goal of this?

Do you think?

What's really behind it?

ANGELINA: Certainly. You know, so they want to talk about -- they -- they have captured the moral high ground on this, right?

If you want to be compassionate. You will have to start to kill people.

That's the only way to be compassionate. That's the only way to provide human rights.

So that very potent message, they've been able to roll it to a narrative, which is incredibly horrid.

The word is like -- it aches me. It's overwhelming.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

ANGELINA: But why? Our public health care system, which is what happens when any government goes completely public. We have no private available.

It is illegal. It's bankrupt. We have --

GLENN: Hold on just a second. I want Americans to hear this.

Private health care, being a doctor and providing private health care is illegal in Canada.

ANGELINA: Yes, it is. The only thing you can do is to have cosmetic things done privately. That's it. You want a boob job, a nose job. You can go ahead, get a doctor and pay for that.

Everything else, it must be administered through the state, period. It has to go up to the Supreme Court of Canada. So this is undisputable.

Private health care is illegal.

GLENN: You know, I look at -- we're -- you have several states that are now trying to pass much of this.

And they are in the laws, that are being passed.

It is -- it is -- it's a requirement not to put assisted suicide down on the death.

So you have cancer.

But you didn't die of cancer.

You had cancer.

You have depression. And the doctors said, well, you can kill yourself over that.

It does not say, assisted suicide.

It is going to be illegal to put that on the death certificates.

It just has to say, depression.

Cancer.

Whatever it is.

That they helped you kill yourself over, that's -- that's what the cause of death is.

So you'll never, ever be able to count it!

You'll never be able to track it!

It is just evil, evil what's happening.

ANGELINA: It's true.

And how many people will be killed by the state? That is going to be the question. You will never know, that you are giving far too much power to the state.

Unaccountable.

Unquestionable.

GLENN: Are you -- are you shocked at the -- because I am here in America.

I mean, we just -- New York just voted for an Islamist who is saying, you know, he is for Hamas.

He is also a communist.

And they just elected him, or, you know, chose him as the Democratic candidate.

And nobody really seems to care!

When it comes to death all over, when you're seeing these things happen, I am shocked by my own citizens! Do you feel that way in Canada?

ANGELINA: Well, I personally am not shocked.

Because I know that the only thing that the socialists and the Communists ever do well, was kill people.

This should not come as a shock to anyone.

The -- the short sightedness unfortunately of a people. Is that they tend to get rewarded in the short term.

They give them stuff, money. Benefits.

It's only crops.

Ultimately, it will -- at the literal demise to allow, this kind of philosophy, political ideology.

To come into your country. Somewhere are you hopeful for the future, Angelina?

ANGELINA: You know, I love my country. To be honest with you, I am not. I am not.

We have seen in my country, an overwhelming immigration. That has come in. Talking about millions of people in a very short time.

That has literally destroyed our infrastructure, brought the health care system, to its knees.

A lot of people in my country, don't even have a family doctor.

They can't find a family doctor. They have to wait for months, upon years for the simplest of procedures.

And it isn't getting any better. So, you know, I pray because, of course, I am a person of faith. And I'm an apologetic Christian.

This is, again, very unpopular in my country.

But, you know, only God will be able to help us.

At this point.

GLENN: Thank you for ending it that way. Angelina, I appreciate it. Thank you for standing up and being vocal, and letting people of the world know that light still does exist, even though the darkness is growing.

Darker, faster. Thank you, Angelina. Appreciate it.

From Canada.

Did the Swamp RUIN the Big Beautiful Bill?

The Senate just sent the “Big Beautiful Bill” back to the House. But Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn Beck with a warning: This isn’t the same bill President Trump proposed! The Swamp has made sure to cut back on its reforms. But are Trump’s tax cuts too important to fail?

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GLENN: Chip Roy is with us from the great state of Texas.

Chip is a congressman, and welcome to the program. How are you, Chip?

CHIP: Well, Glenn, I'm -- you know, I'm continuing to work through, and trying to deliver the American people. But it's getting hard.

I'm with you. I'm tired of this bill right now.

GLENN: Yeah, you're living the dream, brother.

You are just living -- who doesn't want your job?

My gosh, what's -- what -- a glorious. Glorious, fun-filled life you must live.

CHIP: Yeah, there's -- there's been -- no, no, no.

GLENN: So tell me.

Tell me, is this thing gotten better or worse?

CHIP: Unfortunately, Glenn. I believe it's gotten worse.

Now, we've not seen the final product of the Senate. We don't have the tax. We've got to review it.

I try to be level-headed during these things. I had enormously strong and good friends in the administration, who in good faith, want to see this pass. Just as you do. Just as I do, just as the American people do.

They want to see a move forward in legislation to make tax cuts permanent. To deliver on the border funding that we need. You know, Steven Miller is a long-time friend. I've known him 25 years.

Russ Voit is a long-time friend. I've known him for 25 years. We've been working together in the trenches for as long as I can remember. We all want to deliver.

The problem is, the swamp is going to swamp.

And right now, we have a bill, that in my estimation, violates the house framework.

But more importantly, would add significantly to the deficits. Now, we have differing views.

GLENN: More. More than it did. More than it did, right?

CHIP: Quite a bit, in my view.

And look, there is going to be a debate about this. About tax cuts. And revenues. And all the stuff.

And I get it. Baseline. CBO. All these different things. I'm just telling you, Glenn, as objectively as I can, I look at the math, and I look at how you factor in economic growth, which I'm doing. Factor in revenues. And expenditures.

And what we're doing, on mandatory spending.

Which is not enough.

The fact that we're only repealing half of the green new scam, if we're lucky.

The fact that we're continuing to allow Medicaid. To go to illegals. Because of some arcane center rules.

The fact that we're continuing to allow Obamacare subsidies to fund transgender surgeries.

The fact that we're going to -- in my estimation, have probably a couple of trillion of deficit spending in the first four years.

Which means, you will have more interest.

Which means, it's going to stack up, all to get savings, in five years.

That's not what you and I signed up for.

Now, I'm looking at this, trying to say, okay.

The president wants tax cuts. So does I.

The president wants borders, so do I.

I think the president wants us to repeal the entire Green New scam. I think the president wants us to get good reforms. Be careful.

Like handle Medicaid appropriately, and all of that, for our American citizens that depend on it.

But we haven't delivered. Because the Senate has a bunch of people in it, who don't want to deliver, and they are hiding behind the parliamentarian, and they're delivering the product that I didn't come to Washington, to sign up for, Glenn.

GLENN: All right. So let me ask you this. They're hiding behind the parliamentarian.

Is that -- I mean, they -- they say, there was a change in the bill, because of the Medicare paid to the illegals. And the parliamentarian said you have to keep it in there. Some arcane rule or whatever.

Couldn't the Senate Republicans just ignore that?

Is it fair -- what?

CHIP: They could overrule the parliamentarian. They could make a change, if they wanted to do so.

GLENN: Right.

CHIP: Now, some of these things take 60 votes. If they want to address this, they can address it.

But the real issue here is that behind the closed doors, what you know, is that there are senators, who don't want to make the reforms.

Don't want to make the changes. They're making their own policy choices. Based on what they want.

Right? You've got Lisa Murkowski right now. Instead of wanting to reform Medicaid, she wants to get a special carve-out for additional spending, for people in Alaska.

You've got, you know, Tillis. You've got others. They want us to go the wrong direction, when it comes to Medicaid reform.

And, Glenn. I've got to be honest. How many times have you and I been on the phone over the last decade, talking about shutdowns by discretionary spending. Like every two years.

GLENN: Oh, I know.

CHIP: Countless times. Every time we have one of those fights. The people of this town say, Chip, you need to shut up because the real problem is mandatory spending. Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid.

It's not fighting over all this stuff. You're wasting all our time.

I didn't think it was a waste of our time.

I didn't think we should be funding weaponized government.

I didn't think we should continue to jack up spending for the alphabet soup of regulations in America.

But I said, okay. Guys, here we are.

We are going to do this reconciliation package. We will reform Medicaid, right? We ended up fighting like cats and dogs to get the reforms, the work requirements we got out of the House. It was good. Not great.

The Senate, now they're working through it. And they are fighting every inch. And it got actually a little better in certain respects, thank to Rick Scott.

He's been fighting hard. Mike Lee, Ron Johnson. We've got a little bit more of what's called provider taxes. But overall, we're not meeting the moment.

We're not getting enough Medicaid reform.

We're getting watered down, somewhat on illegals. How about missed taxes, Glenn?

We passed a measure in the House, to tax money going from America, so people going here illegally back to their own country.

The Senate -- it's crazy!

GLENN: Why? Why? Why?

CHIP: Because they don't like the policies, Glenn. Because here's the thing, there are bankers. Banks. Who came here and said, guys, this would be really hard on us.

If we had to enforce this policy.

Money flowing from our banks and institutions.

Mexico.

And Columbia.

And places. We really need a carve out, so the banks won't be taxed by this, and then they will go.

It would be way too burdensome on the people who come here and they're working hard, and they want to spend money on their families. But you and I both have a heart for what people face. And want to say, hey, I get it. You've got an honest person here, who is following the law, who came here illegally. They want to send money back home to their country. They can still do that. They can still find a way to do that, but we're taxing. Instead of saying, no, we're not going to do it.

But the biggest thing at the end of the day. Deficits go up, and I didn't sign up for deficits to go up.

GLENN: So you're not going to vote for them?

You're not voting for this.

CHIP: I can't. I cannot vote for this as it's currently structured. If we can come to some agreement.

And, Glenn, this is important.

The president rightly wants us to find a way to get a bill up. I get that. And I want to deliver. For six months, I've been busting my butt.

I voted for a bill that came out of the house, that I didn't like. It wasn't good enough. But I thought it was an important step.

I worked to come up with a budget framework with Jerry Harrington and others, to figure out, how to get this done and get it out of the House.

I think we made progress. We did get Medicaid reforms that are good. We did get some tightening down on the green new scam, and others didn't want to do it.

But we are now fighting a Senate that's watering down important stuff.

And importantly, the way they tax to spend policies. Overall, I can't look at this any way objectively, without telling my voters, the people that sent me to Washington to represent them. That the deficits will go up.

Now, last point, the president and the administration will say, look, guys, don't worry about that. We'll make it up with tariffs, and we will pay higher economic growth. Well, two things.

Number one, on the economic growth front, we assumed growth in our bill, Glenn.

We assumed 2.6 percent growth.

Now, you might say, well, gosh, we need three or four. Yeah, but we have to do a ten-year budget. 2.6 percent growth is a lot higher than what we've been experiencing the last two decades on average.

We picked a sweet spot of 2.6 percent growth. It is true, that if we have 4 percent growth for a decade, we will have much more of it.

I hope that's true. You hope that's true.

And if it is true, then great. It's gravy, that will give us money to buy down the debt. And save money. And get the deficits down further.

But I can't budget to two and a half percent. Sitting at 2 percent growth

It would be irresponsible.

GLENN: So I'm with you, Chip. I'm with you. And I've said this for a long time -- the Republicans are going to lose. They are going to lose, and they're going to lose because you're just not delivering for the American people, what you promised you would.

Donald Trump seems to be.

You know, at least he is trying.

He's doing a lot of the things he promised he would do.

I don't see that happening with the Republicans.

And so, you know, I don't know what -- what the midterm is going to look like.

But I will tell you this. He has to have that tax cut passed.

He's got to have it.

If we don't get that tax cut. Everything the Republicans have been trying to do. Or the Republican voters have wanted.

It's over. It's over.

Because the economy will spiral out of control without that tax cut. Agree or disagree?

CHIP: So I agree we must deliver on the tax cut. And I believe we will. When push comes to shove, there's no way we will get to December, and not provide an extension of tax cuts, that were so important in 2017.

Now, I'll remind everybody, the corporate rates were made permanent already.

Right?

What we're talking about dealing with is the expiration of certain personal tax issues. Marginal rate. But also child tax credit. Also standard deduction, et cetera. Now, I'm not sure.

I've got different views, on different ones of those policies.

Overall, we want to ensure, this stays in the pockets of the American people.

We have to deliver on that.

I will tell you this, if we don't address the inflation tax.

If we don't address the extent to which people are fleeing the American bond markets.

Because we are so irresponsible.

Then we're going to be doing a disservice to our kids and grandkids who can't afford a house.

They can't afford a house because the mortgage rates are too high.

GLENN: They can't afford it now, Chip.

They can't afford it now.

CHIP: So I think what we need to do, is I'm prepared to go back to the drawing board today. I want to go home tomorrow, or the next day.
Let's just get busy. We've been working on it.

Let's tighten down some of the spending.
Let's tweak what we've been doing and get the tax policy done. Get it set. Let's go back to the House bill, for example, that we passed.

It was a good, solid bill.

And get the Senate to adopt it, and pass it.

Or make some modest changes. But we have to get rid of some of these ridiculous things. Like Medicaid for illegal aliens, like pork that's going to Alaska.

Like specific giveaways.

And, you know, get rid of those things.

Go back to the House bill.

Make sure the inflation act is getting terminated.

Deliver on the tax cuts. Deliver on the border.

Deliver for the president.

I'm prepared to do that. But I will not swallow a crappy bill because the Senate tries to jam me with it.

GLENN: I have to tell you, I don't know how it's unpopular to say, no. We're not giving illegals any Medicare.

We're not.

Do you remember -- who was it, when we were in Congress. Barack Obama talked about Obamacare. He said, you lie!

Joe Wilson, wasn't it?

And everybody had a cow. Well, look at what we're doing. Look at what we're doing.

Look at what we're giving illegals.

The answer is no.

No, no, no, no. And I don't understand how that is not so simple.

I don't understand any Republican that doesn't understand, the green new deal, no! No!

USAID. No!

DOGE. Cut it. Why can't they see what -- I mean -- there is -- I mean to tell you, Chip. I don't mean to take this out on you. You're one of the good guys. You're trying to do this.

We're in between a rock and a hard place.

The president has to have what the president needs. To get the economy going.

We wait until January. You're right on top of the midterms.

You have -- the president is not turning this economy around, fast enough.

Because he can't get anyone in Congress to do Jack crap on anything!

You need to cut the freaking spending. And the waste. And the garbage.

And I tell you, I am with Elon Musk 100 percent.

100 percent.

You are one of these weasel Republicans, who don't -- who just go along, and just be like, you know what, we're going to have another five or $6 trillion to our debt.

I'm done. I'm done.

And Elon has said, I will -- if it's the last thing I do. I will make sure that none of these people get reelected. That's not going to be good.

That's not going to be good. For the republic.

Let alone, the Republican parties.

But, you know what, I've had enough. I've had enough.

And I think the American people have too.

CHIP: Well, Glenn, I will tell you this, July 4th is obviously Friday, Independence Day. Two hundred forty-nine years ago, and we already celebrated. We celebrate their courage. We celebrate Lexington and Concord.

We celebrate all the things -- we celebrate the men that stormed the beaches in Normandy.

And we celebrate all of the great courage that our men in women in uniform have done to fight in this country. How can I say, no, sorry, I'll have to vote for this bill, because there will be some political pressure.

When I regale the boys at the Alamo, sitting there, taking bullets. Knowing they were going to die.

But ran into a wall of bullets in Normandy.

Look, we have to deliver.

We have no choice. We all agree on that.

I'm sure I'm going to get labeled, you know, a -- any number of things.

That I'm not delivering on the president's agenda, that I'm jamming up a bill. Look, and I get it.

And I won't get defensive about it. The president wants this bill. And he is right to want this bill.

The Congress has to deliver a bill worth sending them. And I'm prepared to stay here, until we do.

But I won't vote for a bill, because I'm told I have to. Because a bunch of losers who are swamp creatures, who want pork and giveaways. Who don't have the cojones to stand up and deliver for the American people. And to actually reduce spending, and not hide behind parliamentaries. Not hide behind tax cuts.

They want to hide behind a tax cut, to tell me at the border, to tell me, you have to vote for this bill. Don't worry about this spending.

No, kiss my ass.

I will stand up and fight for the border and the tax cuts and the spending cuts. We've got to do it!

STU: It was very reminiscent of Daniel Boone there for just a second. Or I'm sorry. Not -- Davey Crockett, not Daniel Boone.

So thank you for that. Chip, God bless. Have a great holiday. Stand -- stand firm in what you believe in.

And just keep the fight. I appreciate the attitude that you have towards the president.

Give the president what he needs. Fight for the president, what he's asking for.

But you got to fight the swamp at the same time. Have to. Have to. Thank you, Chip. Appreciate it.

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