RADIOJanuary 06, 2025

Max Lucado Explains the REAL Christmas Miracle

This Christmas, pastor Max Lucado joins Glenn to explain the real meaning and miracle of Christmas in the context of the End Times: “Christmas initiates what Easter accomplishes…Jesus came to deal with sin.” But the story doesn’t end there. “God has high plans for all of us,” Max says. “He’s recruiting for himself a people who will populate His eternal kingdom.” This is why, although we celebrate God coming down as a baby, we must remember that He’s coming back again in a much different form: “according to the Book of Revelation, He will return on a white horse as a conquering King and He will destroy those who have destroyed His children.”

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GLENN: Max Lucado is here with us. Max, how are you?

MAX: I'm great. You're telling me, that's an 18 -- was that a recording of her singing?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. She put out a new CD.

MAX: Wow. She sounds so mature!

GLENN: Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of.

MAX: When I had an 18-year-old voice, I don't -- she sounds like she's been, I don't know, a 30, 35-year-old. A real developed -- what a gift. Congratulations.

GLENN: Yeah. Thank you.

So, Max, I wanted to have you on. Because Christmas is always made about the baby.

And that's truly a miracle.

But the real miracle is that he grew up without full understanding, I think, for probably most of us his life, of who he was.

He still was human. And he chose to take on the sacrifice for all of us.

MAX: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And so the Christmas miracle really is just the beginning of the Easter miracle.

MAX: Uh-huh. Yeah.

GLENN: That his birth and his death gave us a chance to clear out all the garbage in our life. And everybody talks about depression at the holidays. Loneliness at the holidays. And I think if we actually seat meaning behind Christmas, that takes a lot of that away.

MAX: Uh-huh. It does. It does.

And that's why I think, what you said, is absolutely true. That Christmas initiates what Easter accomplishes. You know, he --

GLENN: Right. Right.

MAX: The accomplishment of the Easter miracle is where we truly find our hope. But it's -- if T begins with the Christmas incarnation. You know, when -- when Joseph was told by the angel what to expect.

He said, you shall give him the name Jesus. Because he will save people from their sins. So your point is right on, Glenn. Jesus came to deal with sin. To deal with sin.

And, in fact, the rename Jesus, in the Hebrew language, traces its origin to Yahshua, which is a shortening of Yahashua, which means God saves.

So every time someone said the name Jesus, they said, God saves. God saves. Come to dinner. You know, his very name was a reminder of what he came to do.

GLENN: Wow.

And when I'm -- I'm -- you know, people look at Jesus. And they think, well, I can't be forgiven for what I've done, or whatever. And he was perfect, whatever. He was still human.

He still had a choice. He asked in the Garden of Gethsemane. Please, please, let this cup pass from me. Please, I don't want to do this. But he chose to do it anyway.

Which just shows, everything in life is a choice of, are we going to stand?

Are we not going to stand?

And it all matters.

But if we fail, he's got us covered.

And he understands!

MAX: He does. He does.

And the fact is, he came to save us.

And not just save us from enemies or challenges. Or difficulties.

But he came to save us from sin.

And here's why that really matters. God has high plans for all of us.

He's recruiting for himself, a people, who will populate his eternal kingdom.

And his plan is to restore this planet. And his children, into the Garden of Eden's splendor.

What we see in the beginning, is God's plan for the end, and that is a perfect paradise.

One word describes heaven, and that's perfect. And one word describes us, and that's imperfect.

And so God had to have a way, to pay for our imperfections, so that he could welcome us. He's not going to lower the standard of heaven, and welcome imperfection into heaven.

So what he did. He became flesh. He became one of us.

And he really lived to the life that we were intended to live. Adam and Eve were intended to live.

And that is in a similar state. But when we don't, and we don't, his provision is that he will save us.

We don't save ourselves.

He saves us. He rescues us.

And that's why the Christmas message is such a miracle.

MAX: So we're talking to Max Lucado. Kind of the Ted Lasso of pastors.

And how do you reconcile -- you know, we always -- oh, well, Jesus was very forgiving.

Yes, he was. Jesus, he was a lamb. Well, yes, he was.

He was so sweet. The baby is so sweet. Yeah.

And then reconcile that with, all the smote, that went on. In the Old Testament.

And also, what's going to happen, in the future.

I mean, he is not just that -- he's fierce, as well!

MAX: And -- and though we love the baby Jesus, in the manger, we -- our next vision and our next encounter with Christ, of his return to earth.

He will return, according to the Book of Revelation.

He will return on a white hour or so.

As a conquering king. And he will destroy those who have destroyed his children.

I think when we take this -- the smiting and the smote, out of context.

And just say, there were times in which, you know, these people were all destroyed, we don't realize what is taking place here.

We don't realize, that there were times in which babies were being sacrificed on altars.

We don't realize that the Promised Land was initially inhabited by people who were engaged in every -- even more immoral activity than we can imagine.

The vast majority of which was against children in temples.

So these people who have -- who just -- it's not that they have a disagreement with God. They just have a hatred at God, and a hatred of his creation.

GLENN: So I don't know how Biblical this is. This is just me and my thinking.

And I don't know if this is even really Biblical, so you're here to correct me.

But I always look at those things. The smiting and, you know, the smote.

That really, he's just saved us from. In this last election. He stepped in. He wasn't neutral in our affairs. And he -- he gave us another chance.

That I don't think we deserved.

But it's -- it's like right now, he can put his blessings on us. To expand the time that it takes for us to reap the harvest that we have sown.

Or he can just remove it, and the -- the smiting is not really from him. It's from us!

We do it! We bring it on ourselves.

It's our belief, our policies.

Our everything that we're doing in our lives, that brings that to us.

He's just the dad going, no. That's a glass door. Don't run -- don't run into the glass door. That will hurt. That will leave a mark. I Think that's what he does.

And his system is so perfect, that he tells us, don't do those things, because this will happen!

And it's not him carrying out a judgment. And looking at each of us. And going, well.

I think it's just automatic.

And only Jesus can -- he -- only Jesus can take away the sin.

That we have. But that doesn't mean that the consequence isn't paid.

Here in life.

MAX: Absolutely. Absolutely.

GLENN: Is that -- is that a correct way to look at it?

MAX: Oh, yeah. Yeah.

You know, Christ will always save us from our sins. He does not always deliver us from our consequences.

GLENN: Correct.

MAX: Of those sins. You know, if I say, Lord, I'm so sorry.

I've been disrespectful to my wife for 20 years of marriage. I repent. Please forgive me.

You can bet forgiveness is issued.

That does not mean that my wife, whom -- and I haven't done this, by the way.

But that doesn't mean that my neglected wife is going to have warm feelings towards me.

I'm damaged -- there's damage there.

And there will take time for reconciliation.

There are many prisoners. Being imprisoned right now.

And they would themselves tell you. And they told me this.

They're forgiven.

They're going to heaven.

But they will serve out their sentence. Because they violated the law, that the country created.

So, again, God forgives us for our sins.

He doesn't always deliver us immediately, from the consequences.

What he does do is give us power to move forward.

As he removes the guilt. He also disempowers the devil, who wants to keep us in that trap, in that stropping hold.

But he'll give you power. So that you don't make that same mistake again.

GLENN: Max Lucado, has been called America's pastor. And the best preacher in America, and I tend to agree with those.

Let me give you two minutes here, just to deliver any Christmas message that you feel compelled to do.

MAX: Oh, what a blessing. Thank you.

Well, Jesus came to save us. Colossians 1:19 said. God was pleased for all of himself to dwell in Christ. So do you want to see the face of God? Then look at the face of Jesus.

All the love of God was in Jesus. All the strength of God was in Jesus.

All the compassion of God was in Jesus. And God for a time, was in the body of an earthly carpenter. Jesus did this work for us, to show us who God is. And how much he loves us.

He saved us from the guilt of our sin. And we're being saved from the problem of our skin. And upon return of Christ. He's going -- we will be saved from the punishment of sin.

God saves. Again, that's the name Jesus.

Now, that gift is nothing. If we don't accept it.

When I was a Boy Scout.

I earned a lifesaving merit badge.

I actually didn't save anyone. The only people I saved was Boy Scouts who didn't need to be saved.

And that was during training sessions. And I would tell them, quit kicking. Let me save you!

I wonder how much times God is saying that today. Maybe there's somebody listening right now.

You're kicking against God. You're straining against God.

You're fighting against God. Maybe he's saying, why don't you just quit kicking?

Let me do the work! Now, you can save yourself from a lot.

Maybe you can save yourself from running out of gas, or going broke. But you're not good enough to save yourself from your sin. You're not strong enough to save yourself from your death. You need a savior.

But because of Bethlehem, you have one.

GLENN: Max Lucado. Merry Christmas, thank you.

MAX: Merry Christmas to you, my friend. All the very best.

GLENN: Yeah. Thank you.

Max Lucado.

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This plan could FINALLY FIX our broken immigration system

Is it enough to just stop ILLEGAL immigration in America? Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) joins Glenn Beck to explain his proposal to stop ALL immigration until we fix our broken system…

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GLENN: Anyway, let me go to Chip Roy.

Hello, Chip, how are you, sir?

CHIP: Glenn, how are you? Merry Christmas, bro.

GLENN: Merry Christmas. This is our Congressman from the great state of Texas for Texas attorney general.

Talk to me about your bill on immigration.
Does it have a chance -- tell me what it is. And I want to know if it has a chance of passing.

CHIP: Sure. I mean, you know, you opened this segment by talking about our need to focus on not just illegal immigration, but legal immigration. And I strongly believe that that is true. I think for way too long, we have been getting loose. Fast and loose overly corporate. Overly driven by, you know, your kind of chamber of commerce crowd.

All of a sudden, we now have a situation where we have millions of people in our country, that are not seeking to assimilate, not seeking to assimilate, not seeking to be, quote, the melting pot.

But rather trying to reestablish their cultures from other countries, rather than becoming fully American. And that's been a long string of -- of decisions. And we go back and put it in perspective. We have 51 and a half million foreign-born people here in the United States.

The vast majority of whom, did not come here illegally, right?

But came here legally. Then they've been abusing the process and the system, because we've got this broad use of H-1B one visas. We have diversity visas. We have chain migration. We have everybody's cousin. Uncle, aunt, whatever. And there's the growing population here.

And this is now, unlike it was a century ago, right?

When we had the mass migration. The late 1800s, the early 1900s. And at that point, we didn't have a welfare state. We have schools that were teaching that America was great, or even the Constitution. And we had, you know, God in the schools, and we had our culture being elevated, not being criticized. And at that point, we stood for immigration in the 1920s. Right? We still flatlined it because everybody said, whoa, whoa, whoa. We have so many people in.

Our country was stronger for it. Today is worse. Because we have so many people coming here, who are not assimilating. We have schools that are not teaching people that America is great.

And we certainly are continuing to have a welfare state now, that is causing a big problem. So I think we should pause it. It's called the Pause Act. We should pause legal immigration, until we fix a lot of things.

Fix diversity. Fix chain migration. Fix H1 --

GLENN: Wait. Can you tell me what a diversity visa.

What is a diversity visa? I don't even know what that is.

CHIP: Diversity visas. Chain migration, these are all things being used currently to have expansive use of the ability of people to come into the country, and -- and say that they're -- you know, a family member, right.

An extended individual, in what we're calling chain migration. So you'll have a person come in, and instead of it being a close knit family member, right?

Instead of it being, okay. This is my spouse, or this is my child. It's cousins and aunts and uncles, and so forth.

And, you know, this is the kind of thing that we've got to reform. And including, H-1B visas. And including all the problems that we have here with birthright citizenship.

Obviously, the Supreme Court is going to hear the Trump administration's executive order on that.

But we should codify a new view of how we deal with birthright citizenship. You can only be a citizen, if you're born of citizen parents. Not because you were on our dirt. So these are -- in Texas, right?

We had a Supreme Court opinion, in the 1980s to educate the children. Of illegal aliens. Illegal alien children. We do challenge that, overturn it. And we should fix it.

Until you fix all those things. Fix illegal immigration.

Then we're going to lose our country. We're going to lose our culture, and I think we need to do that. So that's why we have to have a bill to pause it.

I just talked to police officer, the day before yesterday. And I was walking down the street, going into the store for Christmas. And he said, hey, Glenn Beck.

And he had this slight accent. I couldn't tell exactly what it was. And then he said, eventually, I'm Irish. I came from Ireland. I've been here for 20 years. My wife and I lived in Ireland.

I said, my gosh, does Ireland even exist anymore?

And he said, Glenn, it used to be. I go back every year, it used to be you could go anywhere, and you would have the Irish public.

And, you know, you could see Irishmen everywhere. And, yes, there were people from other parts of the world, et cetera, et cetera. But it was Irish!

He said, I can go down into my hometowns, small ones, and he said, I don't see another Irishman.

He said, the Irish culture is completely annihilated. He said, it's all mosques and Pakistanis and whatever.

And he said, is there ever anyone who will say, hey, wait a minute, the Irish culture, the American culture, the English culture.

The -- the whatever culture, that's important too! When is anybody going to step up and say, you know what, we -- we don't want to lose this!

By embracing that! We can have both. But not like this!

CHIP: Well, Glenn, and you know. And, by the way, the thing I -- since I got up and I started talking about chain migration. But just so you know, right? That's a program very specifically designed to bring people in from countries that we don't have significant immigration from. It's literally designed to diversify our immigration population.

GLENN: What!

Who cares?

CHIP: Right. And that's my point. And this is what's so wrong about our immigration system.

And it's being done that way. And by Afghanistan, all of it is being abused. And we have had this mass migration. And, again, you are the ardent defender of the First Amendment. So am I, and you can believe what you want to believe. Right?

And we would never want to insert the federal government into your belief system, like between you and God.

But what we have to remember about Islam is that it is a politically motivated group of individuals. Right?

This is -- when we look at the core, and we look at what -- you look at what the Muslim government is talking about. When you look at Sharia law, when you look at the tenets of Islam, there's a massive political component to it, and we have to remember that.

We have to remember. You actually read the words. Read what's being said. And look what's happening in Dallas.

Epic City is not just an accident. What happened was the growth and the promotion of Sharia law in the United Kingdom, in France, in America.
It's not an accident, okay? And this is well beyond, hey, you can believe what you want to believe. You can be agnostic. You can be Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim. We stand for that principle.

When you come here to annihilate and change your culture. Then you've got to approach that.

We -- we Americans to have approach that in a different way.

And I believe, we should pause immigration. We should be doing what the President is doing.

Remove a whole lot of the people dumped into our country under Biden with illegal immigrants, asylum, that were abused for all those abused by Biden and Mayorkas, and go around and make sure that we are resetting the table and reset our laws. And we should just pause for a while. And reclaim our American culture to your point about what you just said about Ireland.

GLENN: You -- you lay out -- I saw your press release, and you lay out what this bill will do, and I got to read this to the audience.

Because I can't believe you have to say this. It would end the practice of automatic citizenship, yeah, and chain migration.

Yeah, that's not what the Fourteenth Amendment says. That's not what it is about. That's not what it was written for. And the H-1B one visa program. Got it. Ensure immigration assimilation, got it. Now, listen to these last three.

This is what he is proposing we do.

Okay? We're not doing it. He's proposing we do this: Deny entry to Sharia law adherence.

Oh, I don't know. Yes!

I can't believe we have to even say that, out loud. Deny entry to Chinese communist party members. I don't know. Yes!

And the third one: Deny entry to terrorists!

This is a civilization that is on a suicidal path. If that can't happen. That's not -- it's crazy that that's not already happening!

Suicide. Just committing suicide.

CHIP: Well, the other element that we have to factor in is the welfare that is being doled out.

GLENN: Yes.

CHIP: To noncitizens in the form of not just food stamps. Medicaid.

All of the social programs in the federal government. But also our local schools and local hospitals to get inundated by people coming into the United States.

Knowing that they will get free health care and free education, and they might be able to then use birthright citizenship, to come here, to grow here. And none of this is about the melting pot.
And, Glenn, that's what I'm trying to make the case here to people. When you have people who came here, who largely shared our values. And when they came here, they wanted their kids to learn English. They wanted their kids to love America.

They wanted their kids to love our history and our founding. They appreciate what our country stood for. By the way, that mass migration occurred right after the Civil War. So our country has literally been at war. And people said, I want to go there. Because this country stood for something bigger and better. And people knew it. But they wanted to be apart of it. And they wanted to embrace it.

They didn't want to change it. That's not true now. Right? That's definitively not true.

United States Congress. Ilhan Omar.

When we openly and outspokenly, committed to changing America to be like her home country!

That's a problem. That is what is happening. And if we don't -- you can't win a war, that you don't acknowledge exists, Glenn. And there is a war being waged against our way of life. And against our culture.

So look, I've increased the legislation here. But it's also why I'm running for attorney general. And a campaign speech, you hear me.

We have to have states. That are standing up and leading this fight as well.

If we're going to save America.

GLENN: You brought up, you know, there's a war being waged.

I -- every alarm bell in me is going off.

Every alarm bell within me. We are -- we're in a war. We won't even recognize it.

I think the president has. But I think it's going to take a lot more than what we're doing right now. Look at what's happening in Europe.

France just happened their -- their ball drop, you know, for New Year's Eve.

They have it -- every year. They cancelled it. And said, just stay at home. And watch a rerun of it from another year.

That's insanity!

They just have surrendered.

The -- how serious are we at -- at preparing for a civilizational war.

CHIP: Well, I think on the positive side, we have an increasing number of people in leadership, who were understanding the threat.

In a way that they didn't a year ago, or five years ago.

That being said, we also have a long way to go and a very short time to get there. Right?

We have got to move quickly. If you see what's happening in Europe, right? And we go, well, they're 20 years ahead of us now. I don't think that's true.

I think Europe is a mere months, years, few years ahead of us, in terms of how bad it's gotten.

And I think we're now realizing, how much damage we've done over the last decade, in particular. Certainly, the last two decades in terms of the mass influence of people, that do not ultimately share our values. So I do think it's important that we support the president on what he's doing and removing bad actors, and making sure that we're removing people that need to be removed, or here illegally.

But if we don't reform our illegal immigration system immediately. And pause it. And freeze it. And reset who we are as Americans. And get people to understand that when you're here, you're going to embrace being an American. Then we're not going to save the country. Right?

So that's why I wanted to introduce this bill. It's why I introduced this bill. That's why I had to introduce several legislation to defend people from Sharia bill. That's why I've given a bill to take away the tax status for CAIR. We've got to get people to realize, that we need immediate change. That we can't wait. So right now, Congress is not codifying or advancing the ball on this front yet.

The president is doing it unilaterally. And I think that's a problem.

GLENN: Can the house actually get it done? Are we going to pass it? Does it have a chance of ever getting to the president's desk?

VOICE: Right now, we are socializing it, and there's a growing number of people who support the concept. And it's not on social media.

But we've got to get it socialized with the White House and the leadership of the House, to get it to the point of trying to enforce a vote. There's going to be a lot of resistance. There's going to be a lot of people, that are going to be listening to business interests. A lot of people who will say, well, I've got a certain culture in my particular district and so forth.

And we've got to ride the (inaudible) act and recognize, if we don't do this, then we have no chance to save the country.

Because if another 55,000 people come in on diversity visas this year, and another 55,000 coming next year, and then another 55,000 the following year, all from these supposed low immigration countries for purposes of diversity. In addition to the chain migration, in addition to H-1B visas. Right? Do the math. See what's happening.

And how many things are happening. So we've got to freeze that. And reset what we want to do for our country.

GLENN: All right.

It's called the pause act. Get online, and support Chip Roy at the pause act. Ask your Congress man. Your senators.
To join Chip on the pause act. Again, you can follow him on X, at Chip Roy.

TX. He's also running for candidate for attorney general. What is your website? Chip.

CALLER: ChipRoy.com. Pretty simple. Pretty straightforward, and I appreciate it. And look, this Christmas Eve and for everybody out there, Merry Christmas. We have the greatest country in the history of the world. We have to keep our heads up and put our faith in Jesus, and remember that it's on us, to pass it down to our kids and grandkids.

GLENN: Thank you so much, Chip Roy.

The END of 'Glenn TV': 14 Years of Truth Bombs, Tears & Glenn's NEXT Revolution | Glenn TV | Ep 475

It's time to say goodbye to "Glenn TV," but Glenn's radio program and "The Glenn Beck Podcast" will continue to be main staples on BlazeTV. After 14 years of "Glenn TV," Glenn Beck looks back at the warnings and predictions that defined the show. From predicting the Islamification of Europe to exposing the corruption in Ukraine years before the mainstream media, Glenn revisits the moments he challenged the experts and sounded the alarm early. He rewinds his predictions on Russia, ISIS, socialism, and the coordinated collapse of capitalism and Western civilization. Glenn also revisits his early reporting on Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) and the COVID lab leak — stories the media originally dismissed. Plus he gives a first look at what's to come with his new project, the Torch, debuting January 5, 2026.

The Western World is UNDER ATTACK... And THESE Shocking Stories are Proof

A wave of global instability is forcing Western nations to confront hard truths they’ve ignored for years. From Australia’s deadly attack and a media narrative that excuses extremist violence, to France canceling its iconic New Year’s celebration over “security concerns,” the cracks in Western resolve are becoming impossible to hide. This conversation exposes how denial, mass migration without assimilation, and media double standards are eroding public safety, cultural confidence, and the West’s ability to defend itself from growing threats.

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GLENN: You know, there's more on the -- the shooting in Australia. Did you see the comment from the mom?

The -- the hero who disarmed. He's a hero. He's getting a lot of accolades.

But here's the family of Ahmed al Ahmed. No, no, no. That's the good guy. Hang on just a second.

That's the hero. I'm just looking through all of the stories. Here it is. Here it is.

Mother of the Bondi beach shooting suspect. The mother of Naveed Akram, who along with his father, allegedly killed more than a dozen people at a Hanukkah celebration, said on Sunday, insisted her son was a good boy.

Now, I mean, I can understand, you know, you wanting to believe that, because your son is your son. You know, but I don't think -- I don't think anybody in Rob Reiner's family is thinking the brother is a good boy. They might love him still, but he's not a good boy if he indeed did that.

STU: Yeah, there could be an element of thinking, right? Like, you know, he's been overcome by addiction, or overcome by mental illness. And I think he's a good boy underneath hat. You can have that Islamic extremist terrorist son if you want.

But what you would have to say I think accompanying that, was he got infected by this extremism. And, you know, by his dad who, you know, led him down a terrible path.

GLENN: Right. Her husband.

STU: Right. That's a plausible thing, if you believe. He can't be a good boy if he's murdering people, unless, of course, Glenn, you believe that the outcome was positive.

GLENN: Well, it was positive, yes.

She said, he doesn't have a firearm. Yeah, he does.

He doesn't even go out. He doesn't mix around with friends. Well, now you're describing a loner.

He doesn't drink, smoke, or go to bad places. Anyone would wish to have a son like my son. He's a good boy.

No. No. I'm safe to say, I don't want a son like that.

STU: No. Yeah, I'm pretty sure she was about to say, and he stays away from trans fats.

That's great, just doesn't have much to do with this particular incident.

GLENN: Yeah, I would say that. Also --

STU: Can I follow up, while we're in this realm here real quick with this audio. This is -- you mentioned this briefly. But let's play a game here: Can you find the logical problem with this particular audio from ABC News?

This is about the somewhat associated shooting of the pro-Palestinian group. Or the pipe bombing, from the pro-Palestinian group you discussed earlier this hour. This is a real clip, not edited.

GLENN: All right.

VOICE: Nowhere did they allege that any of these individuals wanted anybody to be harmed as a result of these pipe bombs. Specifically, it does appear that their aim was to sent a political message, as they said, prosecutors yesterday in this news conference.

VOICE: Carol and Page also discussed plans for follow-up attacks after their bombings, which included plans to a target ICE agents and vehicles with pipe bombs.

STU: Now, can you detect any issue with that?

GLENN: I found two.

I found two.

One, they're not targeting anybody with the use of the pipe bomb!

STU: Right.

GLENN: Now, maybe. Maybe nobody gets hurt like that.

But experience and history tells me. Sometimes when you don't know what you're doing, pipe bombs hurt people.

STU: Right. Yes.
GLENN: And sometimes when you do know what you're doing, pipe bombs hurt people.

That's the -- that's problem number one. Problem number two was, they stated they were then going to target ICE agents?

STU: Right.

GLENN: As if ICE agents aren't people?

STU: You know, Glenn, that is exactly what I came up with. I think, I've heard this statement. You mentioned the same sentiment earlier on the program. A lot of people are saying this. I guess, in their conversations that were, you know, picked off as we were going through this investigation. There were some similarities. If you think back to early environmental terrorist attacks.

ALF and ELF, some of those attacks -- not all, but some of those attacks were targeted at infrastructure, and things around the -- you know, the oil industry. But not -- you know, intentionally trying not to harm the workers or whatever.

And some of their I guess conversations back and forth echoed that sentiment. Like, let's put them this a place where people aren't going to be.

Again, I don't think that's good. I don't think of these people as heroes. But Hollywood would make movies over people like that and how wonderful and glorious they were.

But at the end, they seemed to ignore, that they had attacks planned against ICE agents. And the only way that makes logical sense is if you don't think ICE agents are people.

GLENN: Are people. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Dehumanize. Dehumanize. Dehumanize. That's why I've been saying, we've got to stop MAID. We have to appreciate life again.

We have to stand for life. All life!

If we don't, you can just say, well, that's not really a person.

You've got to stand for life.

One more story in this, just to show you how close we are to losing Europe.

The French who aren't -- are not used to waving the white flag.

You know, they're -- they're -- they're tough. They have decided on New Year's Eve, that they are not going to hold the fireworks show, that they always hold at the art drive.

So they always have a New Year's Eve concert and fireworks show, but this year, they've decided that they're going to scrap it, wait until you hear what they were going to replace it with. But they're going to scrap it because there are security concerns such as, quote, unpredictable crowd movements.
You mean, like the crowds that are coming over on boats and coming on to your shore? You mean those crowd movements? Because, I mean, I think we know what they're saying here. They're saying that they're very concerned that there might be trouble. There might be some sort of, you know, shootings or activity or terrorists. But they're not -- they're just saying, it's unpredictable crowd movements. And so we're -- we're suggesting that we cancel the decades old fireworks celebration on New Year's Eve.

That's like canceling Times Square. Okay?

We're going to cancel that. And instead, replace it with -- this is a quote.

With a prerecorded video to be viewed in the safety and comfort of your French living room.
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GLENN: Oh. So we're watching an old celebration.

Why not? Dick Clark. We got all those tapes of Dick Clark. Let's just cancel New Year's Eve and Times Square and just play one from 1977. I mean, who didn't love that?

STU: Not only is that completely insane. It's also a great example of why virtual school didn't work.

Right?

You know, that's not the same thing. My wife say big fan of around this time of year. Every television has the Yule log on it, you know. And at his help you. It's nice. It helps you celebrate the season, a little bit. But it's not the same as going around the fire, and feeling the heat, it's not the same.
GLENN: Right. Yeah. There's no warmth. There's no warmth. But leave it to the French to surrender. I mean, we've lost France. We've lost France.

If they're not willing to say what's going on. Look, there's terrorists here. And we're afraid of a large crowd. And we're lost, because we let too many people in here. We have no idea who they are. And they're dangerous. And they want to kill us and kill our civilization.

We're working on that, so we can have this next year.

This year, we will to have cancel it.

But they're not saying that. They're saying, you know what, watch it from home. And it will be a videotape of an old one. Oh, okay.