RADIOJune 21, 2023

Legal experts DEBATE: Is Donald Trump in ACTUAL DANGER?

Donald Trump was indicted on 37 federal counts earlier this month, becoming the first U.S. president to face such charges. The case centers around Trump’s alleged mishandling of classified documents, which were found at his Mar-a-Lago home. And even though entire situation screams of partisan politics, Trump will likely still have to face the court. So, is he in REAL legal danger? Are these charges ACTUALLY serious? Or is the far-left’s case against him as weak as their current commander-in-chief? In this clip, two legal experts — Judicial Watch’s Michael Bekesha and well-known attorney Alan Dershowitz — both join Glenn to give their own, differing opinions on the Trump case...

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Michael Bekesha is on with us. Judicial Watch senior attorney. Michael, how are you?

MICHAEL: I'm good. Thanks for having me.

GLENN: So let's talk about Trump's case. Alan Dershowitz is coming on in a minute. And he's saying, he thinks he's on trouble on this one.

You're saying the opposite.

So explain the case, that they have against Donald Trump. And where you think the bright spots are.

MICHAEL: Yeah. So basically, the prosecution of Donald Trump, with respect to the documents, all started because the national archives. Somebody at the national archives, thought that maybe President Trump had some records that maybe he shouldn't have taken with him. When he left office.

That's how this started. And in the Wall Street Journal, I wrote a piece, talking about a similar case. That Judicial Watch had against the archives, when it came to President Clinton, and his records.

While he was in office, President Clinton created these audio recordings. And on these audio recordings, had all sorts of information. You know, they had conversations with foreign leaders.

It had discussions about cruise missile attacks to get Osama bin Laden.

It had information that would be classified, had it gone through proper channels. But instead, President Clinton kept these tapes in his sock drawer, and decided to take them with him, when he left office.

GLENN: And did he declassify them before he took them?

MICHAEL: He didn't do anything. According to what we know, he simply took them with him. And Judicial Watch wanted the tapes, when they found out about them. We figured, these are presidential records. These are tapes showing President Clinton being president.

So we sued the national archives for the tapes. And in that case, between 2010 and 2012, the Justice Department, the Obama Justice Department, took the position that whatever President Clinton took with him, were not presidential records. They were personal records. And there's nothing that they could do to get them back.

In 2012, the district court here in -- in DC, agreed with the government.

And the judge in that case said, the soul -- it is the sole responsibility of the president, to decide, what records are personal.

What records are presidential.

And once they are taken out of the White House, there's nothing that the court could do to get them back.

GLENN: Now, is that because -- I'm just trying to play devil's advocate.

Is that because these were tapes that he made. And not top secret documents.

Even though, they may have contained top secret information. But he made the tapes.

MICHAEL: You know, it doesn't -- Glenn, it doesn't really make a difference.

GLENN: Okay.

MICHAEL: Not only -- it wasn't as though President Clinton was pressing record. And going out and buying the tapes.

You know, based on, he was doing this along with a historian. And based on the historian's discussions about it. What he's told the public. The White House operation staff, helped schedule the interviews, helped prepare the tapes, probably went out and purchased the tapes.

And so the only thing that President Clinton did was place the tapes at the end of the session, into a sock drawer. And that's very similar to what president -- documents. If you look at the indictment, paragraph two, says while he was president, Trump placed documents in boxes. Paragraph four says, when President Trump left office, he took those boxes with him.

To me, it's not a sock drawer. But it was boxes. It was the same process. President Trump decided what he wanted to keep. What episode to leave.

And he took what he wanted to keep with him, when he left office.

GLENN: Okay. So help me out on this.

Again, I want to ask tough questions. Because I don't know legally where this is headed.

Except, all the way around, trouble.

Trump's defense, is that his actions were protected under the presidential records act. But that act excludes, and I'm quoting, any documentary materials that are official records of an agency.

So the indictment alleges that he had the information about our nuclear program. Defense. Weapon's capabilities. Potential vulnerabilities.

Of the US and our allies.

Is it -- is it your view that these kinds of documents are protected under the PRA, because of the Bill Clinton.

Or is there more?

MICHAEL: There's more. The fact that the presidential records act talks about agency records is really -- is really a red herring.

Because as the courts -- the DC appellate court here found that really, the focus is, are the records received by the president?

Once the president receives a record from the agency, it's no longer just an agency record. It's now a record received by the president.

So it has a different status. I mean, just imagine. It doesn't make sense, that once a president. The president gets a record from the agency. Is it like a library book, and he has to return it within 21 days.

Absolutely not.

It's his record.

And under law, he can do what he wants with it.

GLENN: Right. And there are exceptions.

No, no, no. It is treated that way, with things like the nuclear code.

He has access to that. But it's in a football, held by the member of a Department of Defense. That's with him all the time.

So there are some records, that do have to be signed in and signed out, right?

MICHAEL: Well, maybe. The question is: What is allowed by the Constitution? And these are questions that have never really been addressed. The president of the United States is commander-in-chief. Everything in the executive branch flows from him. So there is one question on, what limitations can Congress place on the commander-in-chief? But there's also a question of whether or not Congress can mandate or require, another branch of government to do something.

And so there are strong arguments, that if the presidential records act, is what some folks say it is.

Then that would be unconstitutional, because it's placing burdens on the office of the president, that is not allowed.

The other question under the Espionage Act, is authorization.

While -- while someone is in office, while President Trump was in office, he was authorized to maintain that information. To maintain those documents.

If you went into the Oval Office, he could show you that document. Because he had slight authorization to do what he wanted with it.

So the question is: Did he authorize himself by -- to take those records with him when he left?

GLENN: Well, hang on just a second. Because he does have the ability to declassify. But even according to his own words, in the indictment, there's a transcript of a conversation where he holds up a classified document to somebody. And somebody writing a book about him. See, as president, I could have declassified it. Well, now I can't. So this is still a secret.

So he knew that he possessed something secret. He knew that he hadn't chosen to declassify it as president.

And now he's showing it to a member of the press. Not as president.

MICHAEL: Right. And the question there. And I think it's facts that, again, indictments are just one side of every fact.

And I don't know the fact. You don't know the facts. The American public don't know the facts.

But the question is, whatever document he had in his hand, to how did he get into his hand?

And I think we need what we need to do and what the public needs to wait. Is to wait until all the facts come out.

To see whether or not he was, in fact, authorized to still have that record. And maybe the facts will show that he wasn't.

You know, I keep thinking, if President Trump, after he had left office, somehow got access to records, he must have access to, when he was president. That would be where a problem may lie.

GLENN: Right.

MICHAEL: But if the records were in his possession while he was this office. And he took affirmative steps to maintain those records when he left, there are real constitutional legal questions about whether or not that was authorized.

GLENN: Okay. Let me give you a statement from Bill Barr.

And I'm sorry. I'm just playing devil's advocate. Both sides. I will hit Alan with the same thing.

Both sides hard. Because I want to ask the questions. That people aren't asking. But I think the American people are asking.

There's a statement from -- not one of my favorite people in the world.

A former attorney general Bill Barr. And I want to give you a chance to respond to it.

He said, quote, I think this counts under the Espionage Act, that he willfully retained those documents are solid counts. They gave him every opportunity to return those documents.

They acted with restraint. They acted very deferential with him. And they were very patient. They talked to him for almost a year to try to get those documents. And he jerked them around.

They finally went to a subpoena. And what did he do according to the government. He lied. And obstructed that subpoena.

And when they did a search, they found a lot more documents.

There are official records. They're not his personal records. Battle plans for an attack on another country. Defense Department documents about our capabilities. In no universe, Donald J. Trump, do these belong. Or are personal documents of Donald J. Trump.

MICHAEL: There's a lot there.

To begin with, the end part. The Obama Justice Department, would disagree. So would the federal court, that concluded, that once a president leaves office, it is assumed that the president chose to take those records. Had designated them as personal.

And that there was nothing that could be done about it. And so just because former Attorney General Barr doesn't think those records should have been taken, doesn't mean that lawfully, they couldn't have been taken.

The other interesting part is Attorney General Barr seems to focus a lot on the fact that President Trump may have not -- all the records that he had been asked to turn over.

Well, under the Espionage Act, that's irrelevant. So even if he had returned those records. If the espionage is what everybody thinks it is, then President Trump could have still been charged under the Espionage Act.

GLENN: Okay.

MICHAEL: So the idea that it's somehow different because he had the records, really is just showing an emphasis that he's displeased or unhappy with President Trump's actions and has nothing to do with what the law actually is.

GLENN: When Trump was indicted last week, I was on vacation. And I was not paying attention to the news.

And I mentioned it on Monday, when I came back. But I told you, I wanted to really get the best minds on both sides.

And talk to them. And because there's -- there's people who like -- I should say. Have defended Trump.

And may like Trump. But one of those who I think is very credible on this. Because he has defended Trump time and time and time again. Written books about it

Now says, this is real trouble. And his name is Alan Dershowitz.

So I just had, this is no big deal, we can win this.

And he says, there's real trouble. So let's get the real trouble side now from Alan Dershowitz. Hi, Alan. How are you?

ALAN: Hey, how are you? There's real trouble. But that doesn't mean that it cannot be won. This is a very, very, very serious charge. You know, in my book, Get Trump, I predicted all of this. I also predicted the indictment of Hunter Biden on minimal charges in order to nonsense the -- the claim that there's equal justice. But the problem with Donald Trump is illustrated by that plaque, that some people have in their homes, with the stuffed fish on it, that says, if I had only kept my mouth shut, I would still be swimming. All of Trump's problems comes from his own statements. What he said, the most serious one was what he said to a writer, who was writing a book on Meadows, in which he allegedly showed him some classified material. He says, it wasn't. It was just newspapers.

GLENN: Right.

ALAN: You hear it, apparently, rustling.

And I don't know what the facts are. But -- and saying, I could have declassified this, but I didn't. So it's still secret.

That seems like the government was using it as an admission, that he didn't declassify anything. If he hadn't said that, his claim of declassification would be very strong. Then he spoke to his lawyers. Now, I don't think those statements should ever be admissible. Those are the lawyer/client privilege statements. I would be fighting like hell to keep those out. Because I can't talk to my clients anymore, as a result of that ruling.

GLENN: Thank you. So wait. Wait.

I watched enough Perry Mason. And I know that's not actual law.

But if you break the bond of attorney-client privilege, you -- sometimes you're working with a dummy like me. And I'm like, I don't know. What happens if we don't give it to them?

Well, I'm asking for your legal opinion.

ALAN: What if you tell it to a priest? What if you say to a priest, you know, I know this would be a sin. But I'm thinking of perhaps of not giving it over. And the priest says, no. You have to give it over. Or you talk to your doctor. All of these privileges are now at risk as a result of this terrible position.

Made by judges who handpicked by the special prosecutor. Remember the case is in Florida. But this special prosecutor brought these legal motions to compel the lawyers to speak in DC, where he knew he would get him on federal court.

So he was judge shopping. Then he got his favorable rulings. And then he takes the case to Florida.

GLENN: Wow.

ALAN: And I would hope the Florida court would look at that in a very, very critical light because, as I say, I have to tell my clients now. Don't ask me any questions. Because I may have to disclose them. I'm not taking notes anymore with clients. I'm not turning over anything that my clients tell me in confidence, just because some court says -- you know, and then there's this absurd thing of a tainting. Where if you say something that is lawyer-client privilege, the government says, all right. We'll pick some government lawyers, who have lunch every day with the prosecutors, and stand next to them in a urinal every day, and we will allow them to look at the lawyer/client privilege material. Read them. Oh, they promised they won't.

GLENN: No, I don't say anything to the prosecution.

That's what's happening now. And just had the courage to have a decision saying, no. She was going to appoint an independent judge. A former judge. A great judge in New York, to look over the lawyer, client classified materials. The court said, no, no, no.

No, that's special treatment for Trump. No, that's what everybody should get.

GLENN: So the crime -- the crime fraud exception to attorney/client privilege. You don't buy into that here?

ALAN: I buy into it in general, but I have to tell you, I have done 250 cases involving criminal defendants.

I would say in half of them, the conversation included some reference to maybe if I went to Brazil, I couldn't get caught. No, I don't that. You'll get caught. But the client raises all kinds of questions. That's why it's confidential.

GLENN: Correct.

ALAN: To allow the client to say anything they want.

GLENN: Correct. Isn't it the same reason why we have the presidential confidentiality? When -- when you're talking to the president in the Oval and you're brainstorming, people don't want to say things that are maybe unpopular. Or say things that are maybe crazy in hindsight. But you're brainstorming. I don't want that on the record. I want to have a private conversation.

If you can't have that, you don't really have anything.

ALAN: No. I agree you with. What I taught at Harvard for 50 years. I would say to my students, what you're saying is confidential. And you can be as speculative as you want.

You can say any wild thing about criminal law. You can make statements that you would be ashamed to have made public.

This is for a Socratic discussion. And Socratic discussions is anything goes.

GLENN: The indictment doesn't ever mention the Presidential Records Act.

ALAN: Or espionage. Or the word espionage.

That's being thrown around all over the place.

Yeah.

GLENN: So where is -- because I have gathered from what I've read from you, that this is a serious charge. And he will have a hard time. Why?

It sounds like there's a lot of other legal issues to really go after.

ALAN: There are. That's why it's not a slam-dunk case. That's why the case should never have been brought. Forget about former president.

You don't bring against the man who is running to become the president against the incumbent, head of your party, unless you have a slam-dunk case. Now, I think they have a case.

But it's not a slam-dunk case. There are these legal issues, involving lawyer-client privilege. The government doesn't have the piece of paper that was waved, allegedly in front of the writers. So they have a hard time proving that. They have to deal with the classification issue. It's a winnable case. But it's also a losable case. Whereas the case in New York, is absurd.

The case in New York, the prosecutor should be disciplined for bringing it. In 60 years of this, doing this business, I've never seen a weaker indictment than New York. I cannot say that about the Florida case.

That doesn't mean, it's going to end up with Trump being convicted. Particularly, since the trial is in a fair district, unlike Manhattan.

I love Manhattan. I live in Manhattan. You can't get a fair trial for Donald Trump in Manhattan. Maybe you can in Palm Beach County.

GLENN: Okay. So let me -- let me take you through the crazy scenario, that he goes to trial. In the middle of an election season.

He's convicted, sentenced. What does this look like?

We've never -- we didn't do this with Nixon. We've never did this before. What does this look like?

ALAN: Nobody knows what it looks like. The only thing we know for sure, is he can run for president even if he's president. Eugene V. Debs, Curly became mayor of Boston, while he was in prison. The Constitution specifies only several criteria. And the Constitution means what it says. So you can run.

You can even serve as president. That's not going to happen. The judge will not sentence him to prison. These crimes -- these crimes did not endanger national security. They're not espionage. The media is throwing around the term espionage. The first thing that has to happen, is this trial has to be on television. We, the American people do not trust the media to tell us the truth about the trial. If you watch MSNBC and CNN and read the New York Times, you're going to think it's an open-and-shut case.

If you see other networks, you will see it's an open-and-shut case of innocence. You know, I was a lawyer in the O.J. Simpson case. There was a poll that showed that people who actually watched the trial on television, were not surprised at the verdict.

But people who read about it in the newspapers, was shocked beyond belief.

So we have to be able to see this trial. And the word espionage should not be allowed to be used in the trial by the prosecutor. And if he does use it, there should be a mistrial.

GLENN: Why is this espionage -- where did they even get that?

ALAN: It's the name of the statute. It's as if Congress passed the statute entitled The Child Molestation and Inside and Trading Act.

And they indict somebody for insider trading.

And they go in front of the jury and say, this man has been indicted under the Child Molestation Act.

GLENN: Wow.

ALAN: It's the name of the statute. It was passed in 1917 to go after war resisters, mostly religious people who had a conscientious objection about going to the First World War. And Woodrow Wilson passed the Espionage Act, which had very little to do with espionage. It had mostly to do with dissent and whistle-blowing. And all of the whistle-blowers have been indicted. Under the Espionage Act.

I defended many anti-war protesters, and other dissenters under the Espionage Act. And the government loves to use the word espionage. But there's no allegation here, that led to foreign enemies

3 INFURIATING Reasons to REJECT the New Spending Bill

Republican leadership in the House of Representatives is trying to push through a “continuing resolution” bill right before Christmas. But this CR bill has grown so bloated that it’s practically an omnibus, which Speaker Mike Johnson promised he wouldn’t back. Yet here we are again … Glenn and fellow BlazeTV host‪@lizwheeler‬ review 3 of the worst things included in this bill – but just ONE of them should be enough to make every TRUE conservative in Congress vote AGAINST it. First, it includes a 1-year renewal of the Global Engagement Center, which is a State Department sub-agency that has become “the nexus of the censorship-industrial complex” against Americans. Then, there’s an expansion of the “Pandemic and All Hazards Preparedness and Response Act”, which would give the government the power to conduct gain-of-function research in the case of a national emergency. And lastly, it holds hurricane relief hostage. "Does that sound like you’re negotiating with honest people?" Glenn says. Maybe we should just let the government shutdown happen. Turn it off and back on again.

Transcript

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GLENN: So Liz Wheeler is joining me. The Liz Wheeler show. You can watch it on YouTube or on Blaze TV.

She is fabulous. And really, really smart. And actually, a conservative. I know, because early this morning, we talked about the spending bill from Mike Johnson.

It -- what part of that do you like the most, Liz?

LIZ: I like the fact that in order to print all of those pages, we had to have American workers chopping down some trees. Which helps our industry.

There is nothing else positive about this bill.

Here what I would say to Republicans in the United States Congress. Who are there, of course. To represent us.

You don't have to post on X, telling us that you spent the whole night reading this.

Don't even bother. There is one thing in this bill that should an immediate disqualifier. You don't have to read another word after you realize that included, in this 1,547-page monstrosity, there is a one-year renewal of what's called the global engagement center. It's such -- it's such a vanilla sounding name, isn't it?

GLENN: Oh, yeah, and it's not! It is not. We talked about the global engagement center on this program, over and over again.

But I'll bet you most people, even in this audience. I'll bet, don't know how dangerous that is.

And the Republicans are giving it another year's worth of funding. What to do!

LIZ: It's unacceptable. It's unacceptable. The global engagement center is a subagency of the state department. And the purpose or the stated purpose, it was conceived in 2014, 2015, 2016. That's when it kind of came into being.

Was to combat disinformation. It's a narrative setting body. It's supposed to be a fact-checking organization for hostile foreign adversaries.

That's what they told us! Which is funny, Glenn. Because right at the time that they were saying, that they -- that they conceived of this global engagement centered to combat foreign disinformation. Not here in America, they said, just abroad.

Suddenly, everything that you and I say, has been labeled as, oh, that sounds an awful lot like Russian propaganda.

That sounds an awful lot like, you know, someone being a patsy for a foreign government.

And suddenly this global government agency was aimed at us.

It is the nexus of the censorship industrial complex. Which has obviously been used against President Trump.

But think of the Hunter Biden laptop story being censor odd Facebook and on Twitter of old. This global engagement center is behind that.

And the fact that any Republican in the United States Congress could look at this bill, see a one-year renewal for the global engagement center and think, oh, I should read the rest of this bill.

Mind-blown.

GLENN: You need to say no to this bill.

LIZ: Yeah.

GLENN: You need to call your House of Representatives and say, no, no, no.

That's not what we just voted for. No.

And we will primary every single one, that votes yes.

What are they going to do? They are going to shut the government down? First of all, they will not shut the welfare system down. They're not going to shut the military down.

No. Nothing that is critical, is going to be shut down. They should shut the government off.

With everything that we have learned and known. What good are they going to be up to, while we're all thinking about Christmas and New Year's?

Shut it off!

You know what, here's -- here's where I start with DOGE.

This is my beginning place.

Hey. Can you give me a list of everybody who raised their hand and said they were an essential employee for the government.

And has been showing up to work, all through the pandemic.

And beyond. Okay? Good. Give me that list.

Everyone else, you're nonessential, by your own definition, or your boss' definition, you're fired.

That's what it should be. You're not in an essential worker?

Than what the hell are you doing? What are you doing?

Why do we need you?

This government is so bloated. It is so rife with corruption. The best thing -- here -- I've said this for years.

Can we try unplugging it. And plugging it back in?

Reset to factory settings.

If we have these non-stop continuing resolutions. You know what that means?

It means, there is no budget.

LIZ: Right.

GLENN: They're not discussing the budget. They're not saying where you're going to spend -- none of that -- none of that happens.

They just keep saying, you know the budget we had?

I believe in 2008, was the last one we passed. Do you know, Liz?

LIZ: No. It's also a betrayal, by the way.

When you talk about the budget process, it's a betrayal on the part of Speaker Johnson.

Because he specifically promised not to do this. This happens every year. We get to Christmas.

Congress knows that we're busy, taking care of our families, enjoying the holiday.

And going to church.

And they try to cram all this poison through.

Speaker Johnson, you promised not to do this. You're betraying, not only your constituents.

But the entire American public. Give us one good reason, why we should not have a vote to vacate your chair?

Why should we not do that to you? Because you have betrayed everything you've promised.

GLENN: We will probably hear that from Chip Roy in about an hour. And Thomas Massie is just blood shooting from his eyes today.

This is everything Thomas Massie said would happen. Everything we have seen over and over again.

And I want to go back to the budget.

We haven't had a passed budget, since 2008.

What's happened to our deficit since 2008?

Why is it, your family has to live on a budget? Because if you got to the end of the year and went, you know what, I don't have money for taxes.

Oh, well.

I'll just get some from the Federal Reserve.

And I'll write them an IOU.

That wouldn't happen.

That only happens in the Biden family.

Okay. Doesn't happen to you.

You have to have a budget. Your company has to have a budget.

Here's the world's largest corporation, if you will.

Employs more people than any other thing in the entire world. The history of the world!

And we don't have a budget?

How is that possible?

LIZ: Modern monetary theory.

GLENN: Yep!

LIZ: From the Obama administration.

It's the chicken -- I mean, it's coming home to roost. This is what we said would happen. If you stop. If you stop acting like your money has value.

And instead, you just printed at will, you don't have to have any -- government officials.

Congress members, specifically, don't have to have any accountability to their voters.

Because they never have to answer for the question that voters would pose to them and say, well, you passed this bill, and you're spending my money in order to fund whatever your project is. Justify that to me.

But if the Congress members aren't appropriating money, via taxes. They're just printing it. There's no accountability. It is a blank check, for their pet projects.

GLENN: You keep asking, as an individual American.

Because I know, this is the way I feel. What -- where is -- where is Joe Biden finding -- oh, I will send another $900 million to Ukraine.

A week later. I'm going to send another $500 million. Where is the debate on that?

Because if that had to go through Congress, we wouldn't be approving all of those.

He's pulling from all kinds of different budgets. He's just pooling the money. Pull from here. Pull from here. Pull from here. And he's giving it, without any debate. No congressional approval. No budget ramifications.

No one is even saying anything about it. No one is saying, the president is out of control.

They're not even saying, he can't control his bladder or his bowels, anymore.

Let alone, control himself with spending.

And live within the definition of the presidency.

LIZ: Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing. It's a hostage situation happening right now.

Joe Biden can't tell the difference between a nickel and a dime. He's not in control of what's going on. I think you know that.

GLENN: You think?

Hang on. Hang on. Hang on.

You think, or you know?

LIZ: We know. Imagine a situation. Holding up a nickel and a dime. Joe, can you tell the difference?

I don't think so. Maybe he would be like, vote for ice cream, please.

GLENN: Yeah. And also, he's not the president. He's not making these decisions.

If he is -- this is the Wilson administration!

They are -- Wilson had a stroke. He was completely incapable of running anything the last year in office.

His wife was shoving the orders underneath his hand.

Putting her hand on top of his. And then signing his name. That's what's happening here. That's what's happening. There's -- he might be able to sign his own name. But I can guarantee you, he didn't -- he didn't approve 9,000 people. Who did?

Who approved all of those pardons? Who did?

Not him. Not him.

LIZ: We're going to look at those, the signature later. When someone gets a chance to scrutinize it, and we're going to find that it's signed by Corn Pop.

All right. Let me tell you something else that's in this bill.

GLENN: Okay.

LIZ: There's an expansion of the pandemic and all hazards, preparedness with and be response act.

GLENN: Oh.

LIZ: This act. Problematic from the name itself, perhaps.

We can anticipate what's in it.

It allows the government to declare a national emergency.

You know, in the case of another COVID-19-like virus.

Enforce vaccines on us. Vaccine passports on us.

Masking. All the COVID tyranny.

This expands it, and actually gives the government power to do it.

Again, there's a lot wrong with this bill.

If this isn't a deal breaker.

Why even call yourself a Republican?

GLENN: And I do want to remind you, this is a Republican bill. This is not the Democrats -- this is the House. This is the House's bill.

It only gets worse when it goes over to the Senate.

And they're putting it -- what additional powers on -- on declaring a national emergency does our president and government need?

Haven't they --

LIZ: Well, according to this bill, it would give them additional power to conduct gain of function research, of course, just defensively.

GLENN: Wait. Wait. Wait.

I'm sorry. I've got so much blood in my eyes right now. What did you just say?

LIZ: The pandemic and all hazards, preparedness and response act, if expanded, would give the government, in the case of the president declared an emergency, if there is another COVID-19. It would give them the power to conduct gain-of-function research.

GLENN: I -- I -- I wish this wasn't FCC regulated radio. I can't think of anything that's not obscene to say after that.

GLENN: You don't usually, like at this point, Christmas music will cheer me up.

But as a dad, I'm practically vomiting blood. My daughter is on the stage at the Grand Ole Opry. I was on the airplane, and just going true my music. And I started listening to Patsy Cline. I loved Patsy Cline. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, she's going to be standing on the same stage that Patsy Cline sang these songs from.

And that's happening tonight.

So tomorrow, I will be much more relaxed. And less scattered than I am today.

But that happens tonight. By the way, name of her album is Home for Christmas. You can there it wherever you get your music.

And thank you so much. Tonight, she's on with for King & Country.

She's doing a couple of songs before they come out. And for King & Country, if you've never seen them in concert. You need to see them.

They are fantastic!

Okay. So Chip Roy, just read something from Chip Roy. He said, we get this negotiated crap, and we're forced to eat this crap switch.

Why? Because freaking Christmas is right around the corner. It's the same dang thing every year.

Legislate by crisis! Legislate by calendar! Not legislate, because it's the right thing to do. I love Chip Roy.

I do. I do.

LIZ: He's my favorite member.

GLENN: Is he? I think he's mine too. Massie is pretty great.

LIZ: He is.

He predicted this, by the way, I think it was from -- it was early in September, Massey said, I will tell you exactly what the Republicans are going to do. This is before we even knew who was going to control the House. He predicted this to a T.

GLENN: Yeah. They always do this. They always do this.

And we always give in. Because they scare us.

Stop being scared by what the government is saying!

You should be afraid of the government, on what they're not telling you.

What they're doing behind the scenes.

When they say shut down the government, you really think our missiles won't fly if North Korea, you know, pushes the button.

Do you really think we can't scramble our jets.

Do you really think, that our budget -- that this little game that we play, every time people are going to starve?

No!

It's not going to happen. This -- what happens every single time, is they scare people. And they're like, well, we can't shut down the government.

We can't shut down -- yes, we can.

You will be surprised at how much we can take care of by ourself. How sweet ass your life becomes, when the government ain't showing up!

They're holding the -- the hurricane relief hostage in this bill.

Now, does that sound like you're negotiating with honest people?

With good people?

With people that actually care about you?

They're holding hurricane relief hostage?

Hmm. Congress, don't -- do not bitch at me.

Do not bitch at me.

Oh, we can't even read -- you don't have to.

Reject this bill. There's -- there's -- we just gave you three things in the bill.

You should be like, oh, well, that's ridiculous.

By the way, very few mentions of the border in this.

Okay?

Call your Congressmen.

Hey, we're not around the tree yet.

Tube this bill!

“for King + Country” REVEALS Mission Behind “A Drummer Boy Christmas LIVE" Tour & Movie

Christian band ‪@ForKingAndCountry‬ is now synonymous with the Christmas song "Little Drummer Boy." But it's hard to bring their incredible Christmas concert experience to everyone in America - let alone the world - when the Christmas season is so short. So this year, they've decided to create a virtual tour, called "A Drummer Boy Christmas LIVE | The Cinematic Concert Experience". Brothers Joel and Luke Smallbone join Glenn Beck to explain how the idea came about, how they pulled it off, and why Joel's wife described it to him as "better than your actual live show." Plus, they share the story of how they once worked for Glenn many years ago ...

"A Drummer Boy Christmas LIVE" is in select theaters through December 19th and is also available on DVD at https://www.ForKingAndCountry.com/

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Luke and Joel Smallbone, brothers, from the Smallbone family are with me by now.

Guys, how are you?

VOICE: Well, well, well, from the bowels of an arena in Kansas City, a month or so ago, to -- to your show today, and I want to give a spoiler to the listeners, but to the Grand Ole Opry in a couple of weeks.

GLENN: Yeah. I know. That's crazy. That's crazy.

I can't thank you guys enough for that.

It's nuts. Do you have any -- well, we'll get into it some other time on the air. Or off the air.

Tell me about the -- the film, that you guys have, out in -- in -- what do they call it?

It's not --

VOICE: Yeah, it's actually -- well, first of all, thanks for having us, and loved our time together.

GLENN: Yeah.

VOICE: It's in 1600 theaters across America. So here's the back story, Glenn. We love Christmas. We love Christmas.

It actually will become a hallmark of Luke and my band, for King & Country, particularly this song, the Little Drummer Boy.

We did sort of a very obvious version of it, with Bing Crosby or Frank Sinatra never thought of. And that is, we put loaded drums on a song, about a boy playing a drum.

And, I mean, all the TSA agents will come to me. And be like, we -- they would be like, you're part of King & Country. They would be like, you're the drummer boy, right? You know you've made it when an American TSA agent calls it. And but the trouble is, when we do these Christmas tours. You know, it's so short.

So we only did ten or 12 tours every year. So we end that when we announce it. Three-quarters of America and the rest of the world are all just really upset about it, because we can't get to them.

And so this was our attempt, you know, in a holiday, that I feel like we need to be reminded of these great hallmarks of what it means to be human joy and love and peace.

And the redemption that comes through God. We needed to be reminded of this.

So we put a film. We put it in a Toyota center, last year. And captured a cinematic experience for the whole family of our live show.

And my wife literally, Glenn. Turned to me. And he she was like, Joel, I think this is better than your actual live show.

So I was encouraged and insulted all at the same time.

GLENN: Right. I have to tell you, who is -- who is the artistic director of -- of the show?

VOICE: Well, this is Luke here. Well, this is one of the privileges of being able to do work. And I have brothers from the same mother. From the same father. And I have a privilege of working together. Is actually being able to, you know, being able to create these things together.

Our brother Daniel is actually the show designer.

We obviously, we work on this altogether.

So when it comes down to the set lists.

The visuals. The technology.

Yeah. We're involved with all of it.

Because we've actually done this since we were very young boys.

Rebecca saint James. We went on the road with her.

I think I was a lighting director at 14 or 15.

Joel was --

VOICE: That's a nice summary.

VOICE: So, you know, you throw this all together, and you create these shows.

And that's one of the things I love about what we get to do. We get to do it together.

GLENN: I have to tell you, it was -- it was awesome. It's one of the best shows I've seen. You know, I haven't seen the Christmas one, yet. I've heard, you know, the music.

I haven't seen the actual show.

But the -- the -- your music and the staging was -- I mean, I sat there with my wife.

And we were with a bunch of friends.

And I said, this is incredible!

And if you aren't a Christian, you would walk in here, and you would have really not necessarily any idea, if you hadn't really listened to the lyrics.

But you would feel what you're feeling. And it just is such a great experience.

VOICE: That's kind, man. Look, in our interpretation at least, the idea of being a Christian, of being a Jesus follower. It's an invitation, right?

And it's also a pretty enormous claim, that we are in touch with the creator of the universe.

That we're in touch with the creator of creativity. The creator of art. The creator of Sistine chapels. And so on.

And so often, in the modern context, our art feels like second fiddle to pop culture. And yet, you know this, as bit of a historian yourself.

Throughout history, the religious arts have led the way. And so, man, we take it so seriously.

Not for the sake of ego.

You know, at least -- not for the sake of -- not for the sake of self-aggrandizing. But for the sake of people looking at this and going, my goodness.

What a great God, that they must be in touch with, to put on, and to be inspired to do these types of things.

GLENN: So have you guys been tempted at all, to, you know. In the old days.

When you would go to a Christian concert, they would kind of preach at you. And, you know, try to convert.

And what I loved about it, is it was all there. But it was not in your face. It wasn't -- you weren't -- you weren't overtly saying, hey, come to Christ.

And so you -- nobody was. Nobody could possibly be offended. It was just such a great way to present the message.

And have people go, what makes them different. Have you been tempted to do -- be more obvious?

VOICE: Be more obvious. That's an interesting way of putting it. Look, I'm a big, well, I try to be a big historian.

And st. Francis at the CC, was the guy many, many years ago. He had a quote that as a young boy, really affected me.

And he says, preach the gospel. And if necessary, use word.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

VOICE: And look, I think that that statement should poke at a lot of us, as Christians.

Because our lives should be so unbelievably joyful.

Our work should be unbelievable good.

That sometimes, yeah. Sometimes words are required.

But I think that most of the time, they're not.

It's the presence that you bring, that oftentimes, people are left talking about.

So I think for us, man. We tried to take that -- take that statement literally.

You know, hopefully, you feel it.

GLENN: You do. You do.

VOICE: And you kind of know what's going on. That's our hope.

GLENN: So when I saw you in Kansas City.

I had forgotten that we -- I mean, I -- I know the name small bone, obviously.

I know your brother. He worked -- on one of my early book tours.

I've seen your movie of your family and everything else.

But I had forgotten that at one point, you two worked for me. You did a -- I have -- and you reminded me of that. And I'm like, what?

VOICE: What did you do, Luke? You were --

VOICE: Yeah. No. I'm a film director as well.

And I guess somehow we were working together, Glenn, because your team or somebody said, hey, why don't we do a day in the life of Glenn Beck?

And so we started at your house. And we like filmed you walking out. And then we filmed you, as you went to work that day.

But the funny part was, I was there to be like the sound and the audio guy. And before you came out of the door.

The loud mic, that was meant to go on to you. I dropped.

And literally broke it.

And so the rest of the day, I mean, for those of you who are listening. You see those guys are holding those massive mics above people's heads.

You get good audio.

Usually, that's the backup mic.

Well, that day, I made a mistake. So I am having to chase Glenn around all day with this massive mic.

Because I had broken the loud mic. So yes. We worked together, many, many years ago.

It's a small wall, but a crazy story.

GLENN: A crazy story, to look at where you are now. I mean, you're massive worldwide.

Congratulations.

VOICE: Thanks, man. You know this better than anyone. It's a team sport, right? This whole idea of being human. We're never meant to be an individual concept. We were meant to do this together.

And I think that's what King & Country represents, what these live shows represent.

It's collaboration. It's compromise.

It's, you know, creatively putting our minds together. And that's what the Christmas Live, you know, it really represents.

Is we took the same film crew from our movie, unsung heroes. It was released. Basically our parents' story. Our dad in the film, which I dubbed as a very expensive therapy session.

But we put the same -- we put them in that to capture this -- so what I love about this, this concert film.

And what we've gotten to do live, but also what we're getting to do cinematically now.

Is that we're getting to invite people, not only in America. But this film is going up to Canada.

It's going across to the UK. We're playing a few shows at the UK.

It's going down to Australia. It's going to New Zealand

This is the beauty. We know this with radio. Radio?

We're talking right now. There are thousands and thousands of people listening to this.

This is when art and technology come together. You're able to do something really cool.

GLENN: So we're talking to for King & Country. Their Drummer Boy Christmas live, will be available in select theaters, December 5th.

What day is it? Is that today? That's yesterday.

VOICE: Right now. Right now.

GLENN: Wow, through the 19th.

And if you've never seen them, I cannot explain how good they are.

They are really, really great. You want to get into the Christmas mood. I can guarantee, a good time. How do you get tickets?

VOICE: I think if you -- still, we can go to the local theater.

Phantom of -- kind of got all of the theaters. You know, I think if you use the ZIP code.

It would be able to direct you to the place, to kind of go see -- at your local theater.

GLENN: Great. For King&Country.com.

And you can follow them on Twitter. Four. The number four. King & Country.

God bless you, guys, we'll see you soon.
Thank you. Goodbye.

Will Justin Trudeau RESIGN Because of Trump’s Tariff Threat?

Rumor has it that Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will resign soon. Does this have anything to do with Donald Trump’s threat to hit Canada with heavy tariffs if it doesn’t get its border under control? Glenn speaks with ‪@RebelNewsOnline‬ founder Ezra Levant, who lays out why Canadians are DONE with Trudeau – in fact, he only has 11% approval according to a new poll! They also review the resignation of Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland, who was behind the financial attacks against the trucker protesters. Plus, Ezra gives his take on the possible next Prime Minister, conservative leader Pierre Poilievre.

Transcript

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GLENN: So I want to take you up to almost where Santa lives, in a place almost just as imaginative as Santa land. It's called Canada. Where Justin Trudeau has been just a military jacket away from being more like his dad in Cuba.

But it's falling apart in Canada. His finance minister, which is the number two position, walked out. He said, I -- you know, I want to do another role for you. And she said, the only viable thing is, if I leave, the cabinet. This is the woman who shut down all of the social media gift-giving services. And was freezing people's bank accounts during the trucker strike.

She's also the one that does all of the trade deals, between the United States and Canada.

Gee, I wonder what she's worried about.

Meanwhile, Justin Trudeau has just been giving away all kinds of monies.

He's got a sales tax holiday for Canadians, and sending checks to Canadians that need it.

Right now, during the Christmas season. And he's also a -- you know, some -- some other things that are -- people aren't real, real happy about.

Is his reign over?

Or is he going to be elected to a fourth term?

I made a prediction today. And I know nothing about Canada.

Today may be his last day.

It's that close!

GLENN: Hero, really, of the Canadian people.

Ezra Levant.

Hello, Ezra.

EZRA: Glenn, it's great to talk to you today.

I heard your introduction about Chrystia Freeland, Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister. She's much more than that. It would be like Dick Cheney was to George Bush Jr.

I mean, the everything fixer. Totally involved in all the files.

That was Chrystia Freeland. And she quit yesterday, and she timed her leaving to detonate the morning she was supposed to deliver a mini budget.

So that whole thing was thrown in -- you know, into a mess.

GLENN: And basically, didn't she say that because we're -- we're spending all of our money. And we have to stop, because we might get into a trade war with America.

EZRA: She did. And in her resignation letter.

Which she published. She accused Trudeau of being a narcissist. Of being in it for himself. She didn't use the word narcissist. But she said, we have to think about more than just ourselves. We have to think about the country.

She accused him of, quote, political gimmicks.

And the thing is, she was his right-hand woman since the very beginning.

And I want to tell you one more thing about Christie free LAN.

She's on the board of trustees. Of the World Economic Forum.

And what was her job right before she became a member of parliament to join Trudeau?

You're not going to believe me.

She was the authorized biographer, of George Soros.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

EZRA: So the deputy prime minister and finance minister -- but really, the everything minister of Canada. She was like I say, like Dick Cheney to George Bush. She was the right-hand man on every file.

GLENN: So was she more of the architect of this, or is Trudeau capable of doing it?

What I'm asking, is Trudeau more of a Biden, and she's more of an Obama?

Or is it Dick Cheney and George W. Bush?

EZRA: Trudeau loves the sizzle of being Prime Minister. He loves the adulation.

It's hard to come by. So, for instance, he went to the recent Taylor Swift concert and he exchanged friendship bracelets with teenage girls. That's his marketplace.

Everyone else shouts at him.

GLENN: Wow.

EZRA: So he -- he was never a policy guy.

He would leave that to the grownups.

And Chrystia Freeland and George Soros would fill that void. And I'm not just saying George Soros as a throwaway line.

A few years ago, Canada signed a contract with the Open Societies Foundation to draft our refugee policy.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh!

EZRA: So this is not a rumor.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

EZRA: He literally outsourced -- so Chrystia Freeland departing is an enormous blow.

But, look, Canadians are -- can hardly wait to get rid of Trudeau. I don't want to sound overconfident. But the conservative opposition leadership. His name is Pierre Poilievre. He's excellent.

He's -- he's way out ahead in the polls.
Remember, we have a multi-party system. So there's about five parties in parliament.

The conservatives are at 43. Now, I know that may sound low in an American party system.

When you've got five parties, 43 percent means you will have a massive victory. And last night, after Chrystia Freeland detonated Trudeau and quit, there was a pollster that went into the field immediately. And his results are just being posted. Only 11 percent of Canadians approve of Trudeau, 11 percent. It's going to be a massacre.

Last factoid.

GLENN: This is happy news. This is really happy news.

EZRA: It is good news.

While everyone was focused on the intrigues in Ottawa, there was a special election in the province of British Columbia, from one of these members of parliament. And the conservatives, led by Pierre Poilievre.

Got 66 percent in the local district.

GLENN: In Vancouver BC?

EZRA: In the -- not in Vancouver proper, but nearby.

So in BC, which is sort of like Washington States, it's a little bit hippie.

GLENN: A little bit?

EZRA: Yeah.

Glenn, I have to tell you, people of every background, according to the pollsters, men and women. Young and old, and minorities. They all want Trudeau gone, which is so interesting.

Because he came to power, as the woke guy, who --

GLENN: Oh, yeah.

EZRA: You know, I'm a male feminist. He said. Et cetera.

Canadians are finally done with it. We just need that moment where we get to go to vote.

STU: Ezra, I hate to simplify your country's politics this way. Glenn, with the apple guy.

The member of the viral video, where he was just sitting and answering questions. That's the guy.

GLENN: I love that guy.

STU: Yes. I think everybody in America who saw that video loves this guy.

GLENN: Oh, I love that guy.

EZRA: That apple eating thing, give me 30 seconds on that. You know, he was answering questions from a left-wing journalist, while casually eating an apple.

GLENN: I loved it.

EZRA: Whenever the journalists would say, well, people say you're like Trump. And he would say, what people?

And what did they say?

And he just did this a bunch of times. Proving that the journalist was just, you know, taking cheap shots.

And when he said people say, he was just saying, I say.

It was masterful.

And why -- there was no real policy talked about.

The reason that was important, Glenn. Is because it shows the pure -- it has a Trump-like disdain for journalism.

Why is that important?

Because too many Canadian conservatives are so worried about what the media will say about them, they respond to the pure pressure of journalism.

They want to give an answer that the journalist wants. Poilievre is not afraid to look at our version of CNN in the eyes.

And say, you know, I -- and attack them. And insult them, and poke back.

So I know, if he's elected Prime Minister. That he will be largely immune, to the mean girls club. Or the media party.

GLENN: And that's saying something.

Because you have the CBC. That's like our PBS. Except, that's the main -- I mean, they control the -- they are the CNN. NBC. ABC. They're everything up there.

EZRA: They're larger than all other media combined. Our state broadcaster has more journalists than every other media company combined. You can imagine how that really could distort the national conversation.

Plus, a lot of Canadians get their info through social media. Which is why Trudeau's introduced legislation that would criminalize, including with a life in prison. There's a -- Trudeau has introduced a bill.

Called C63.

That has a life in prison component. For, quote, hate crimes.

Including hate speech.

That's one of the reasons Jordan Peterson cited for moving into America.

This bill C63.

And we will fight that bill, if it becomes law.

The way things are looking. I think Trudeau may not last long enough to make it into law.

GLENN: So what happened?

I mean, parliamentary systems are so weird. You can call it an election at any time.

Which is kind of weird.

But does he have to call for one. Or does he have to step down?

Can there be a vote of no confidence?

What happens next?

VOICE: Well, he only has a minority in our parliament. He's propped up by a hardcore Socialist Party, called the MVP. The new Democrats.

GLENN: Right.

And didn't they just come out and pretty much say, we're done with you?

VOICE: No, it's trickier. They said, we demand Trudeau resign!

And then when they said, will you vote nonconfidence with him?

They refused to. They lining to pretend they're against Trudeau. They have never -- so if -- Trudeau is the master of his own destiny. As long as no one has the courage to push him out.

And if there was a non-confidence vote, he could be thrown out, and an election would be forced.

But I don't think his critics have the courage to do that. I don't think they have the numbers. And look, these polls are so awful, Glenn.

A lot of the liberals who are sick of Trudeau, and worried he's painting things.

They know they will lose, whether the election is now or in six months.

So why not drag it out for six more months?

Get paid. Enjoy their power. Run things a little longer. If you're a liberal MP and you know you will lose the next election, why wouldn't you at least stretch it out, three, six, nine months, to get as much from the -- from your job as possible. Get as much money, power, influence. I think the liberals will be smashed, but Trudeau will probably -- listen. He is stubborn. And he is a fighter.

I've never seen him apologize. I've never seen him quit.

He has a lot of flaws.

But tenacity is not one of them.

GLENN: How much of a role did the election of Donald Trump play in this?

Are you guys just -- right just behind us on what's happening here in America?

ANN: That's such a great question.

In a way, a Trump tweet started the dominoes falling.

GLENN: I knew it. I knew it.

ANN: About a month ago. About a month ago, Trump tweeted, 25 percent tariffs on Mexico and Canada. If they don't seal their borders.

Stop the illegal drugs. Stop the illegal immigrants.

So it was -- and Mexico immediately got on the phone.

GLENN: Yeah. Hang on just a second.

Why did -- why does Canada have such a hard time with that?

Just, we need to you enforce your laws.

That's all we need!

EZRA: And Pierre Poilievre, the conservative thing said, look, I don't want to do those things because Donald Trump tells me to. I want to do those things because it's in Canadian interest.

And Trump is worried about fentanyl coming through Canada into the states.

Well, Canadians should be worried about that too. In fact, we are.

We have had a huge crime wave under Trudeau. So the smart, grown-up answer is okay. Trump is asking sort of roughly, like he's being a little bit -- he's got that.

GLENN: Yeah. He's Donald Trump.

ANN: He's walking softly, but carrying a big stick. Deal with him.

He's not asking Canadians for anything that we don't want.

Just do it.

But instead, one more thing at you, Glenn.

Here's my theory of why Trudeau is fighting.

As I mentioned. Trudeau is so low in the polls.

And this conservative leader is so high.

But what if Trudeau could flip it. And instead of running against Pierre Poilievre, the conservative leader. What if Trudeau would say, I'm running against Trump?

Because Trump is not that popular in Canada. Because the media has bashed him for two years.

GLENN: He needed that too.

EZRA: What if Trump -- it's even worse up here. It's even worse up here.

GLENN: Yeah, I know.

EZRA: But one more move, what if Trump actually implements the tariff on Canada. It hurts our economy.

So now Trudeau can say, this terrible economy is not my fault. It's trump's fault.

Vote for me, if you want to stand up to Trump. Vote for me if you don't like Trump. Vote for me.

GLENN: That's great strategy!

EZRA: I think Trudeau is willing to sacrifice Canada's economy, for this desperate chance to run and win again. That's my theory at least.

GLENN: You know what, to me, that makes sense.

And, you know what, honestly, to understand Donald Trump, you have to understand, he never -- when he's negotiating.

He never threatens.

He's never threatening.

He just makes promises.

If you do this, I'll do that.

If you do this, I'll do that.

And he will!

He will!

So he's not threatening. Just making promises.

EZRA: Well, and why wouldn't Canada say, all right. You've got our attention.

We agree, you've got a border problem.

By the way, it goes both ways. When Trump will deport a large amount of illegal migrants.

Some of them will say, oh, we better come into Canada because there's such a soft touch.

So we -- we have an interest in having a strong border. Because we don't want all the folks Trump is going to deport, including those who committed crimes.

GLENN: Correct, and those who will self-deport. Self-deport.

Yeah. All those Haitians, they are going to want to go to Montreal, a French-speaking city, rather than go back to Haiti. Wouldn't you?

We need a strong border, also.

Trudeau would rather fight with Trump, for the media kudos and then actually fix a problem. It's his last desperate chance.

But, you know what, I hope Canada comes back, and the Trump revolution. It's not just a political and economic one.

It's a freedom revolution.

Free speech. Elon Musk.

RFK Jr. Basically, rebuking the COVID mentality.

Hopefully some of that freedom will slosh into the border into us, Glenn.

GLENN: Yeah. One last thing. And we both have to run.

You have one in every 20 persons, now. Selecting suicide.

And more women are electing for euthanasia. Than -- than men are.

I mean, this is getting way out of control, euthanasia in Canada. Isn't it?

EZRA: And our Veterans Affairs department is suggest euthanasia for soldiers who have PTSD. If you say you're depressed, they will literally use that as a reason to give -- they call it MAID. Medical Assistance In Dying.

It's the new word for euthanasia. Canada is now ahead of the Netherlands for this.

Partly it's socialized medicine. Because if you kill someone, they won't cost 100 grand a year on intensive care. Part of it is also the war on the concept of life.

Trudeau is an absolutist for abortion. And this is an extension of sort of what eugenics approach.

It's dark days for those who value life in Canada, Glenn.

GLENN: I hope your theory is absolutely wrong.

But I've watched you long enough to know. Your theory is probably right.

I hope you're wrong though.

Thank you so much, Ezra.

EZRA: Thanks, Glenn. Buh-bye.

Biden Should be ASHAMED of These Pardons & Clemency Grants

President Biden has pardoned or granted clemency to TONS of people, including some controversial prisoners. Glenn and Stu review some of the worst, including a woman who stole $54 million from her small town and the “kids-for-cash” judge, who sent kids to a for-profit juvenile detention center in exchange for $2 million. Glenn and Stu also discuss the latest update in the Duke lacrosse case, where the woman who originally accused 3 players admitted to making the whole thing up. But has she found God since then?

Transcript

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GLENN: You know, I have to -- I have to bring up the pardon thing. Because I -- I -- I don't -- what!

Apparently, Biden now has pardoned nine thousand people.

Like George Bush did 500.

And -- over eight years!

9,000 people. The only one close is Jimmy Carter, because he did 12,000 people, that had to go to Canada because they tried to avoid the Vietnam War.

So he just did a blanket pardon of 12,000 people.

This is 9,000 individuals.

STU: Yeah. Some of them work sort of in that blanket.

He did 1500 in one day. Which is the most that ever happened in that take.

There were more blanket. Here's a class of criminal.

In a certain situation.

But like, some of the specifics are really bizarre. Right?

This woman who built this town.

GLENN: Yeah. So there's a town, Dickson, Illinois, and it's a small town.

And this woman worked for the town, and she had opened up an account. And she was transferring money into her account.

And people are like, where is all the money going?

54 million dollars. Okay?

She -- I love the list of what she bought.

She bought like 400 horses.

And then like 80 acres of land.

Chuck have 400 horses on 80 acres of land.

STU: You can't. Why is that?

GLENN: Well, that's a lot of horses.

STU: As a person who grew up in New York.

Why is that a problem?

GLENN:

GLENN: That's not even grass!

STU: Not enough grass!

GLENN: You would to have year around, be feeding the horses.

STU: How much grass are these things eating? Calm down. Calm down.

Jeez. It's grass.

GLENN: Anyways, she bought, let's see, 400 horses, 48 trucks, luxury motor home. Classic cars. A boat. 80 acres of land.

Jewelry, personal credit cards. Business expenses. Furnishing for at least three homes.

Including a Florida vacation home.

STU: You would think, at some point, a small home. They would have caught this earlier.

GLENN: You have a new collection. And you work, what?

Where?

So, anyway, she goes on vacation, and the city is like, let's check her bank records. Her bank account. And so they get the warrant. They check her bank.

They arrest her.

She's 20 years.

She served four or five years of her time.

And she's like, I'm getting really old and sick.

And she's not that old.

And so the judge says, okay.

And this set the town on fire.

The judge said, okay.

Home arrest. Ankle bracelet. You cannot leave your home. Okay. If you're sick, and you're worried that your family will not see you and whatever, fine!

STU: Okay.

GLENN: That wasn't good enough for whoever is putting this one in front of Joe Biden?

He just said, you're not -- why?

STU: Yeah, why?

GLENN: Who suggested this one?

STU: Somebody.

It wasn't just a random -- like, he was just perusing the internet. Came across this story.

This person, who brought 400 horses for 80. 400 horses for 80 acres.

80 acres which, by the way, is too many horses on that many acres. I could be wrong, horse people. I could be wrong. Horse cows can't do it.

Horse people. They are horse people. They have the head and hands of horses. The rest of them are human. It's weird.

STU: Really? Oh, my God. I would say that's horrific, but that would be hateful. We shouldn't judge other people's cultures.

GLENN: They are just like people. They need people food, but they don't have fingers or thumbs.

STU: So they just eat grass.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: I -- this isn't a random thing.

The way a lot of this works is somebody, who is tied to the administration.

GLENN: Okay. May I --

STU: Somebody who -- right.

Has a connection, or a person who has a connection to somebody else.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Gets message to somebody in the administration.

Hey. I like this person, I don't think they're that bad.

You should let them out.

GLENN: And that's -- that's not the way it -- let me just -- I'll tell you a story. I've never told on the air before.

There's a guy I know, who I think, it was caught up in something that he -- he didn't do.

Everything that I see, looks like he's been falsely accused. And it's just destroyed his life for many, many years.

And they -- they haven't sentenced him.

And he's like, waiting for the shoe to drop for like, at that time, two years.

That was four years ago.

And so his attorney called me, and he said, you know the president.

And I went through the case, and everything. And I thought, I think -- I think he's actually innocent.

So I called the president. Right after the new year. And I said, Mr. President, may I pitch you on a name?

We've already sent it to your vetters, so they're looking at it.

I just want to tell you -- got the shaft.

STU: You made a personal plea.

GLENN: I made a personal plea.

And we talked about it for a while.
And he said, okay. I would love to do that, but I have to look at the case.

I haven't heard of this case. I said, I understand. I want to put my name -- just put it on your radar. They looked at it. They disagreed. He wasn't pardoned.

But that's the way it happens.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: Okay? Some lawyer gets information, to the White House.

And that lawyer knows somebody who knows somebody in the White House.

And they call and say, 9,000 pardons?

9,000. First of all, President Trump -- President Biden has no idea. There's no way you can go through 9,000.

How many lawyers at the White House, do they have, going over these cases, for 9,000 reversals?

STU: Right. They're just saying, likely, allegedly. Just saying yes to everybody who is asking --

GLENN: Why would you let this person go?

STU: It seems like a terrible one.

Someone who bilked the public for millions and millions and millions of dollars.

GLENN: Fifty-four millions dollars. That's a lot of money for say small town.

They had to cut services.

Okay. What about the one with the judge. Listen to this one.

STU: This is a story of a judge, long story short, basically was accused. And convicted of going through, taking people, and intentionally sentencing young people, juveniles, and young people.

From getting -- if I'm remembering all the details of this story correctly.

To prisons, in conjunction to someone who was running the prison.

And, of course, the --

GLENN: The prison makes money.

STU: It's a for-profit prison.

GLENN: The prison makes money, if they get more prisoners.

STU: Right. So they were sentencing people for prison time.

To line their pockets. And associate's pockets.

GLENN: That person, honestly. That's one of the worst crimes.

To me, that's up there with murder.

STU: I will say, I have seen some legitimate anger from the left on that in particular.

GLENN: That should be. That should be.

That's an assault on not just our laws.

That's not money.

That is putting -- that's taking somebody's liberty. And really, you live with that for the rest of your life. Your life!

For money?

The judge is doing that?

That person should never get out of prison. At least early!

I think that is one of the worst crimes I've heard.

STU: It's -- it's a really rough run.

You're talking about the lives of young people. Who might be able to turn their lives around. And who knows?

GLENN: Look at the story that came out, when was this?
Friday or Thursday of last week.

The girl who said, oh, by the way, the Duke lacrosse team. I did make that up.

Now. She didn't say it that way.

That's the way I heard it.

And I was outraged.

This person is should number jail. Well, she's already in jail. She murdered somebody. She's already in jail.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: But it looks like she's had a deep spiritual change in her.

Now, that doesn't mean, I'm going to say, you know what, let's forget the prison thing on the murder!

No.

STU: No.

GLENN: But she looks like she had a deep Jesus moment.

And she was clearing this up!

I think that is absolutely incredible, because the three boys that were charged, and everyone in the Duke lacrosse team, was smeared. But imagine being one of those three that were named.

Trying to get a job.

STU: Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah. Horrible.

I had -- you mentioned, Glenn. I have a friend of a friend. Who is on the Duke lacrosse team. Was on that Duke lacrosse team.

Not one of the kids who was actually -- not even at the party. Not even at the party.

Were they not accused of doing anything wrong at the party.

But weren't at the party.

And the second they would get -- they would turn in a resume with someone. With duke and lacrosse on it. In that time period. They would just not get call backs from prospective employers.

Because of this.

And some of them would tell them. I can't hire somebody from the duke freaking lacrosse team.

Which is -- it's somewhat understandable, from an employer's perspective.

You would really have to be sure. Now, in that case, they should have been sure, because he wasn't even at the party.

Still, this was an awful slander beyond slander.

Of course, they wound up winning challenges.

GLENN: Yeah. But remember -- remember the name Nifong.

STU: Yeah. He was -- he stuck to it, even after.

GLENN: Oh, he was like, these guys are criminals, blah, blah, blah.

He just going and going and going. Said that it was, you know, racist. The entire team was racist. The school was racist.

I mean, somebody should pay a price for this.

You destroyed lives.

STU: If you remember the story, it was a stripper who went to a party.

And claims she was raped. Right?

GLENN: Right. But there was no DNA evidence. She was drunk and on drugs.

She left the party early.

Everyone she said was actually there, wasn't there.

STU: Many of them weren't.

Yeah. There's all sorts of problems. The case fell apart. There was a big scandal. She never came out and said, by the way, I was totally lying about that.

In the interim, she murdered her boyfriend with the kitchen knife.

GLENN: That happens. That happens to all of us.

STU: Went to prison. And has had what she claims is a -- is a transformation. I want to play this video for you. It's about a minute and a half long.

Glenn, do you buy this?

Does it seem real to you?

VOICE: The Bible says that you shouldn't do harm to your neighbor that lives trustingly beside you, and they were my brothers. And they trusted me that I wouldn't betray their trust.

And I testified falsely against them, by saying that they raped me, when they didn't.

And that was wrong.

And I betrayed the trust of a lot of other people, who believed in me.

And made up a story, that wasn't true. Because I wanted validation from people. And not from God.
And that was wrong. When God already loved me for who I was, regardless.

I didn't need to seek validation from him. Because I already have validation from him. I just didn't know it.

And I hurt my brothers.

And I hope that they can forgive me, and I want them to know that I love them.

And they didn't deserve it. And I hope that they can forgive me.

And the -- I hope that they can heal and trust God.

And know that God loves them. And the -- God is loving them, through me. Letting them know, that they're valuable, and that they didn't deserve that.

GLENN: Hmm.

STU: I think it's pretty interesting.

Now, it should be noted. She's got nothing to gain as far as getting out of prison. She murdered someone.

So she's not like on the verge of getting out. And this will help her.

This is --

GLENN: Well, it will help her eventually.

STU: It could.

GLENN: It could. Just admitting, you know, that you did it, and it was wrong. Is a big deal.

STU: Sure.

GLENN: She's not reacting the way I would have.

But, you know, I blubber all the time.

If I had done that. It would have been more emotional. But she may -- you know, it may not be the way she reacts.

STU: I will say, she initiated this happening. Right?

She called a reporter to come to do this.

GLENN: To talk about that.

STU: To talk about this. So, you know, she had it planned for a while. It wasn't off the top of her head.

GLENN: Okay. Yeah. That makes a difference.

I want to believe her.

I want to believe her.

God only knows, but I want to believe her.