In the aftermath of the death of Georgia nursing student Laken Riley, the media is insisting that the increase in crime across the country has nothing to do with illegal immigration. But Blaze News Senior Editor Daniel Horowitz joins Glenn with the real stats. Daniel warns that Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro is practically emptying out his prisons and sending the criminals — many part of the brutal gang Tren de Aragua — to America. He also uses the latest data to make the case that YES, crime has gone up because of our open border and progressive "criminal justice reform" policies.
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GLENN: So the media is now doing their best to say that crime is not a problem.
Because of illegal immigration. We know that that's not true. That doesn't mean that everybody who comes across illegally is a law breaker, other than come here illegally.
You know, they're not all rapists and murderers.
But we seem to have our fair share now, from overseas. And I love the people, who are saying, you cannot violate the rights of people. Just because of this one murder. Review, yeah. Yet they're the same people, who say, we should take away everyone's guns. Because if it will just save up life, it's worth it.
Well, you know what, not letting the illegal immigration would have saved one life.
In fact, would have saved a lot of lives recently.
To talk about it is Daniel Horowitz. He did a podcast yesterday, on this.
He's compiling the stats of crime, from illegal aliens.
Daniel, what did you find?
DANIEL: Hey, well, it's great to be back with you, Glenn. And, look, if last decade criminality from foreign nationals was defined by MS-13, I think we should start to familiarize ourselves with Tren de Aragua. Because that's the Venezuelan prison gang, that was essentially sent up here by President Maduro in Venezuela. And why not him blame him? He knew that our door was open. He figured he would get rid of his problem.
We focus a lot on the quantitative act that -- of this border nation. That quantitatively, it's much greater than we've ever seen.
Probably about 10 million, between the apprehensions and gotaways, since Biden took office.
But qualitatively, when I speak to border agents, ICE agents, and then reporters down at the Darien Gap in Panama, they say they have never seen so many young male belligerents, with tattoos, that kind of look like they want a piece of you.
And now if you go to the New York Post, every day, you will find stories of those arrested, and then turned out loose, within 24 hours in New York City. We find it in Chicago.
So this alleged murderer of Lincoln Riley is not in a vacuum.
This is something that we're going to deal with, for years. You know, in the next number of years, if we don't get rid of them very soon.
STU: Daniel, when you talk about the border issue. You mention the issue between the qualitative and quantitative problem here.
And it is significant.
Obviously, the quantitative problem as has been well documented. When you talk about the people coming across the border, though.
You know, we hear about potential terrorists. We hear about drug dealers. What is the biggest issue the border agents are facing.
DANIEL: Sure. I mean, again, we've seen all these pictures, where we have young military-aged males, just marching through the border, that we've never seen before. And it turns out, I mean, at least from what I'm hearing. Is that the Venezuelan the highest concentration of criminal element. Simply because it's not by natural.
It's not natural selection.
That you will have a lot of ruffians come over our border.
That's what a lot of them do.
A lot of them are criminal elements.
This is a concerted effort on the part of Maduro. To send his prison gang up here.
And you're finding this a lot in spaces like Miami. Places like Chicago and New York. Even local media is reporting on it. Where they're having a number of gangbangers arrested. Chicago arrested.
Just a handful. You know, five, ten Venezuelan nationals. In 2022.
But then last year, in 2023, they arrested seven hundred of them.
And again, this is not looking like you're an illegal alien.
These are people, it's shoplifting. It's assault.
It's driving without a license. Drunk driving. You know, I've chronicled this for about 15 years. Now, you can't use the numbers now, because Biden doesn't enforce the law. But when Trump was president and they were trying to apprehend people, in just one given year, we would typically get -- and this is recurring every year. Enough people arrested in that kind of suite. That net of enforcement. To account for 2,000 homicide-related offensive -- meaning both conviction and arrests. Six hundred kidnappings. Thirty-eight hundred robberies. Thirty-seven thousand assaults. 10,000 sex crimes. And usually about 80,000 or so DUI's.
The numbers were pretty consistent every single additional year. Now, typically, especially back then, before the George Floyd crime rates. We typically had maybe 14,000 homicide arrests in a given year. To 2,000 accounted for, among the jurisdiction of ICE.
Illegal aliens, sometimes illegals. But criminal elements that are deportable. That is an astounding share.
That is one in seven. And, again, this is before the Biden wave.
So you can imagine now, they are having all these belligerents from Venezuela.
Just think about this. We had 335,000 Venezuelans come in, just in the first few months.
I'm sorry. Just in 2023.
Plus, Biden granted temporary status of 470,000 others. Just 834 have been removed.
Okay?
So that is how you think what that problem is.
GLENN: What is amazing to me is at the same time that is going on. By the way, that is exactly what -- what was his name in Iraq?
Saddam Hussein did, right before we went in.
To cause chaos in the streets. He emptied the prisons. That's what Maduro did except into the United States.
And his reward for that was the United States, allowing him to sell more oil, even to us.
So there -- this is -- this is a chaos operation.
But we're also all seeing stories almost every day. If you're paying attention to it.
Your key word there was belligerent.
They feel like, they are above the law. They know they're not going to be charged.
And so they'll beat police officers.
They'll -- they'll flip people off.
They are super citizens, almost. That's the way they act.
DANIEL: And what you're finding, especially in these blue areas is an amalgamation of the invasion and then jailbreak. What they call criminal justice reform in New York City. So they turn out all criminals. The next day.
But in this case. You have, you know, the people let out of Rikers Island.
Domestic criminals being let loose. And then now, you have all these Venezuelans coming in, committing crimes. Often three or four crimes. And they get released every time.
I want to throw out another number that's very important.
I've tracked for a number of years. There's something called ISIS undetained document.
So what that means by its very nature are these are the people that are on ISIS' radar to at least investigate, often target for removal.
But they remain undetained right now, there's only about 37,000 people in ISIS custody. That's the maximum of what they can handle.
The undetained docket is 6.2 million.
GLENN: Oh, my gosh.
DANIEL: 6.2 million. Now, I don't have the numbers. But in the old days, I don't think this has changed. About 80 percent were criminal aliens. So they had criminal charges and/or convictions, in addition to being here illegally. Think about that. There's only five, 6,000 ICE ERO officers. Deportation officers around. Limited resources.
We already know that under this administration, if you're caught drunk driving, you're not really a priority. That's not considered a high level crime.
So there are 6.2 million. In their undetained docket. Just think about the needless murder victims, rape victims that are seeing this now every day.
The media tries to cover it up. We saw, you know, a rape of a minor, allegedly committed by an illegal alien. South of Lynchburg, Virginia, yesterday.
There was a case in Montana.
I was just looking at.
If the American people would actually know, the extent of how many of these heinous crimes are committed by people that should never be here.
And there would have been multiple opportunities to get them out. They would be up in arms.
And this would be our George Floyd moment.
GLENN: Imagine if you are a citizen, and your governor is telling you, hey.
We need homes for people. Take them into your home. How stupid do you have to be.
DANIEL: I mean, it's unbelievable. Picture the worst of the Bloods and the Crips in your own downtown. That's what we're deporting from all over the world. Each country's problems. You know, you'll have some desperate, impoverished people that are kind of peaceful too. Certainly not in our best interest to let them in.
But this time, we're just seeing a total invasion.
And what's important, is legally, this definitely meets the definition of an invasion under the compact clause, that should trigger state authority for removal. I think this is where it's important.
When you look at that 6.2 million number. You look at what we're seeing, from that individual charged with murdering Lincoln Riley. Along with his brother.
They were caught in a red state, here illegally, and having committed other crimes prior to this alleged murder.
And yet, they remained. Some of them are because of sanctuary policies. But sometimes, even if you're not a sanctuary state, but now you're a sanctuary nation.
Here's the thing, let's say a state might want to deal with that individual. Maybe lock them up.
Maybe try to remove them. But ICE now grants them with a detainer. And now a detainer is a double-edged sword. Because they'll place a detainer, enough that the state cannot enforce the law against them. But it's not like the feds will actually remove them or even detain them.
They will be on their undetained docket.
Out free to commit more crimes.
This is where the red state governors need to get together and say, look, if we catch someone here, illegally. Committing an assault.
Of drunk driving.
They need to be out of here.
STU: Daniel, can you address one more thing before you go. Which is the media's response to this talk every time.
Is to say, actually, immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate that be US citizens.
They're not the problem here.
DANIEL: Sure. They're right in the sense immigrants. Okay. So legal immigrants on average commit fewer crimes. And the reason is, because on average, they come to the United States. At an older age. That sort of the criminal career age. Sixteen to 30. They're usually older when they believe.
They're more established. With that, I will say, there are certain pockets of the world, that we accept who didn't notice illegally, that still commit too many crimes. The crimes that we commit should be zero.
Because they're vetted. You know, it's kind of like your draft pick. You get your choice. You can pick your immigrants. You can't pick your natives.
Native born, that is.
But as it relates to the people coming from the border. Again, you look. As we -- I want to give you a statistic that is, again, astounding.
GLENN: You have about 45 seconds, before I have to break.
DANIEL: In 2020, Trump's ICE director, Matt Albence. He said that in one year in New York City, they issued 7500 ICE detainers.
And out of those 200 individuals, they included 200 homicides.
GLENN: Oh, my gosh.
DANIEL: I looked up that area of operation. There were fewer than 300 people arrested for all homicides in that area of ISIS operation, in that one year.
I'm not saying they necessarily commit two-thirds. You have to study that.
But it is surely greater than their share of the population.
GLENN: Daniel Horowitz. You can hear his podcast on TheBlaze.
Blaze TV.
He did a whole podcast about this, yesterday. And he's always, always really buttoned up.
And has a different view on a lot of things, that I think you should hear. Daniel, thank you so much. Appreciate it.
DANIEL: Thanks for having me. Take care.
