RADIOJuly 12, 2022

Kellyanne Conway SHARES ALL about life in Trump’s White House

Kellyanne Conway, former Senior Counselor to President Trump and author of 'Here's The Deal,' joins Glenn to dish out all the details about her life working in the White House. From her marriage and her husband’s differing opinion of Trump, to the media’s attempts to rip apart ANYONE close to the former president, Conway shares the TRUTH about her job. Plus, she shares how Donald Trump was a 'good’ boss respecting of not only women, but of working moms as well…

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GLENN:Well, it is a pleasure to welcome on the program, the author of here's the deal. And former Trump campaign manager, former senior counselor to President Trump, Kellyanne Conway. Hello, Kellyanne, how are you?

KELLYANNE: I'm wonderful, Glenn Beck, and thank you for having me today. It's good to hear your voice in person.

GLENN: Yeah. Thank you.

So I have to start, because this is the -- I'm sorry. But this is the thing that I've always wondered. You and your husband, are you like James Carville and Mary Matalin?

KELLYANNE: No, we're not. And I'm glad you asked that question, because other people just write it, and they presume it. That's not what this is.

He was never a Democrat, working against my Republican presidential candidate. That would be James Carville, who helped make Bill Clinton's career. Mary Matalin, very smart Republican strategist who worked for the Bushes and others. In this case, George and I both were of a single mind, that Donald Trump had to beat Hillary Clinton and become president of the United States. George was incredibly supportive, even helpful. Coming to the campaign, many nights, after leaving his own job, a few blocks away from Trump Tower. And I write in the book, this new book, Here's the Deal. Glenn, great beach read, Great Father's Day gift. Get on it, folks.

I write in there very explicitly. People say, without Kellyanne Conway, Donald Trump would not have been elected in 2016. That's debatable. But what will never be in doubt, is that without George Conway, Kellyanne Conway could not have been the campaign manager in this closing months of 2016 to the extent I was. He encouraged, if not insisted me to take my shot. He was -- George was the only person I told in the hours after president -- Mr. Trump offered me the campaign management job. And he said, Kellyanne, you're doing this. He can actually win with you, and I'll help out more at home. And he did.

And so people didn't even know the facts. And George and I had something else in common, and not just parents of these four wonderful children, Glenn Beck.

But we had in common that we both accepted big jobs in the Trump administration. Everyone knows my job. They saw me out there again and again. But George had accepted a position, a nomination as the head of the civil division of the U.S. Department of Justice. That's a big job. And he -- you know, did that. Now, he changed his mind about Donald Trump. This is America. We can all do that, Glenn Beck. You can change your mind about Donald Trump, about politics, about what you're having for dinner. Whatever it is.

But to do it in such a public way, was so not George, and was so not helpful to his wife and to our family.

GLENN: And so did he feel it was necessary? You say, it wasn't like him. What -- can you get into that? Why did he feel it was so necessary?

KELLYANNE: Oh, I think people who change their mind about Donald Trump, and people who are already congenitally afflicted with Trump derangement syndrome, for which there are no therapeutics and no vaccines for.

Look around. There certainly isn't. They feel duty-bound to express that publicly, because they find an immediate and equally vociferous hungry audience in so doing. But as I put in my book, you know, I miss the privately brilliant John Conway, not the publicly bombastic one that he had become.

And, listen, George is a very smart person. He graduated Harvard at 20. Graduated Yale Law School at 23. Made partner at a premier law firm in New York City, at 30. Unheard of in these days after five years only. Unheard of. And he's -- we've been married for many decades. We have four children together. What this all comes down to. I don't understand what was happening. The reason why I call it cheating by tweeting, is because of how he was spending his time. So if you have a side piece, the Italians in my family, the Italian men in my family did, growing up. If you have a mistress, you're spending with that person. Thinking about her. And meeting with her. And eating with her. And planning -- and pretending you weren't with her.

So this was very similar, in that this consumed an awful lot of his time and his attention. And you saw what happened. George Conway became a folk hero. But actually Kellyanne Conway's husband did. I put in the book quantitatively, that he was referred to as Kellyanne Conway's husband, routinely, which tells you all you need to know about what their real motive was, particularly in those beginning parts of the year, which was to try to stick it to me. To try to put division between Donald Trump and me. To try to get me to quit my job. I was good at my job. And I loved my job. I loved my public service job. And I was darn good at it. And I was very focused on it. And I think the media who never knew. You know, the job that media, Glenn is in my view, to get the story. But they took it upon themselves, to get the president. And those around him. His family members. His sister staffers. And their family. And they couldn't get enough of Kellyanne Conway's husband.

GLENN: I have to ask just one quick follow-up question. Because you write in the book, Ivanka came to you. And gave you two names of marriage counselors. And you guys went. You guys are married, and are things better now?

KELLYANNE: We did not go.

GLENN: Oh, you did not go? I thought -- I thought she gave you two names and he said yes to one.

KELLYANNE: That's right. He said no to one, and then he sort of shrugged at the other. And we never went. And the way I look at it -- and I wouldn't be so public about something so private, except it's important to know, that I take my marriage vows very seriously. I've always been faithful to them. And when I said, forever, I meant it. And it was very nice of Ivanka Trump, who -- and I put in the book, you know, I was talking to her about something else. Our offices were right next to each other in the West Wing. On the second floor. I call the cool kids wing. White House (inaudible) office, me, Dena Powell (phonetic), Ivanka, and then Larry Cuvlo (phonetic) across from us. And she was -- Ivanka is a very nice person. She's very gracious. Very kind. And she gave it to me, because she knew I was open to receiving it.

She said, listen, I've got lots of Democrats in my family. I know how this goes. And these -- they're making things harder for all of us. And it was very nice of her. But we never went. And I -- the reason I talk about it is because I think if George would have wanted to do it, he would have done it. Because that's the way he spends his time. He did exactly what he wanted to do. So I want to make very clear, right now, make it clear in the book, because I know it gets manipulated. Is that George does not loyalty and fealty to Donald Trump. Or to the president of the United States. Or to a political party. Or to this or that. The vows were to me. So if he wants to change his mind, he can do that. This is America.

But changing his mind about me and that job, after we moved our family there, together. With the kids in new schools, accepted jobs. And even when he took his name out of contention. Yes. Out of contention for the civil division chief of the U.S. Department of Justice, Glenn. He put out a statement not on Twitter. Because he wasn't going to tweet then. Put out a statement saying, Mr. President, thank you for this wonderful opportunity. And, of course, I still support your administration. And the work of my wonderful wife.

A couple days later, he sent out his first tweet. I put in the book, Sean Spicer, then the press secretary is coming toward me in the East Room. And he said, did you know about this? And he's showing me a tweet that apparently came from George Conway. We have an entire chapter in my new book, Here's the Deal, Glenn, that says, but George doesn't tweet. And that's exactly what I said. I said that can't be true. He doesn't tweet. It's a fake account. It was hacked. And we all know the rest it history.

GLENN: Yeah. So you mentioned that Ivanka was very gracious to you. And that's the one thing that I don't think -- that never comes out about the president, as well. His children are very, very gracious.

But he is incredibly gracious and warm in person. It's like, he's like a different person when he's not on -- you know, when he's not on stage. Do I have that read right of him?

KELLYANNE: You have it absolutely right. And I know that you've had contact with him. So you know this to be true. You've had conversations with him in person. More than a few. Glenn, it is absolute true. And if Donald Trump was not a good boss, let alone a good boss to women, or a good boss to working mothers, of which there were many in the White House. I wouldn't have worked there. Why would I do that?

He was a great boss. And he's very warm. And I think Donald Trump will never get full credit for something he has credit for. Which is how many times he positively transformed people's lives by picking up the phone by making a call. By making his private jet available back in the day. By just connecting people -- needs with opportunity.

GLENN: Yeah.

KELLYANNE: And, you know, he doesn't brag about that, any more than the people running around in the coms department, saying, I think you should go do an off-the-record ice cream stop with your nine grandchildren. And he would say, why would I do that? I enjoy them in private.

In other words, he's very authentic that way. And he's very warm and gracious. Even Hillary Clinton, I write in the book. Hillary Clinton acknowledged as much in a debate. In one of the debates, in 2016, Glenn, each of them, Trump and Hillary were asked about the other. Say something nice about the other. Compliment the other.

And her compliment of him, was I don't agree with Donald on those things. We disagree on everything, but he has raised really great kids. Adult kids.

GLENN: Yeah. That's true.

KELLYANNE: Then look what happened. They went after him, and still do. But it absolutely is still true.

And we can all be remembered for our kids. I think that's wonderful.

I said, you know, when my daughter Claudia was only 12. Didn't want to move to Washington. I said, if you want to get 75 percent agreement on something, you're really winning. But as a mom, you basically need to get close to 100 percent agreement. So I needed all four kids on board. And she was really the holdout. And I really feel for her.

And she's a great kid. Now almost a woman. Claudia, you know, someone in the Washington Post was doing a profile. And they said, well, when you saw (inaudible) with a change.org petition. Stop the Conway kids from moving to DC. What's that about? I said, well, at least she's honest. I said, the rest of the country often pretends I'm a revolutionary, I'm a change maker, I'm going to do this. And they go to McDonald's every night and order number three. I said, at least she admits that. At least she admits that. At least she admits she wants things to stay the same and not move. I said, well, what do you say to her?

I said -- she said, mom, I don't want to go DC and be known as Kellyanne Conway. I said, guess what. You cure cancer.

And I'll be known as Claudia Conway's mother. Deal. And that's very true. For Donald Trump. He raised great kids. We're all trying to raise great kids. The most wonderful contribution you can make in society.

GLENN: It is.

And I know -- that's the one thing I knew the whole time, was that his kids loved him. And at the end, I'm not sure my kids would have walked through that wall of fire.

I mean, they -- they never abandoned him. At least publicly. And I -- I doubt that they agree on everything. But maybe that's just me, and I'm not asking for inside information. We're talking to Kellyanne Conway. She has a brand-new book that's out now. We're going to spend some time with her in just a second.

If you want to pick up the book, it's called here's the deal by Kellyanne Conway. It is out now. Wherever -- wherever you order your books or get your books from.

EXCLUSIVE: Chip Roy Explains His FIERY Rejection of Spending Bill

According to the media, there’s a big fight going on between Republicans over the House’s new slimmed-down continuing resolution spending bill. Some, including President-elect Donald Trump, wanted the bill to pass. But others, like Texas Representative Chip Roy, argued that it still wasn’t ready. However, is the Republican “unity coalition” really crumbling, like the media claims? Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn to explain what’s really going on. He argues that he IS trying to give Trump and DOGE a 100-day “runway” to fix the country. But he makes the case that, by increasing the debt ceiling by $5 trillion without agreeing on other cuts, this bill gives bad actors the ability to be an “obstacle” to Trump’s agenda further down the line. Plus, he reveals to Glenn that he believes some of these bad actors LEAKED false information about his stance to Mar-a-Lago.

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GLENN:

I think we have a great opportunity today. To show you how to have a -- tough conversation, with friends, friends. Where you deeply disagree on something.

But you know that their intent is good. They know my intent is good. Or our intent is good.

And we actually have the same end goal, but we disagree on the path. And we're going to walk away friends.

Chip Roy is joining us today. And, Chip, I love you. And I always will. And I agree with your, we've got to cut spending. We have to. But Liz Wheeler is with me. And we've been talking about it all morning. It's the -- the -- the -- the system of DOGE and Trump, the call-out to the world, in saying, you've got to surrender the Capitol. You know, the bad guys are in and about to take all the money.

Surround, and tell them, come out with your hands up. And that happened. And we scored a massive win, in an entirely new way.

Ask then you stood on principle, one we both agree with.

And it failed!

And so here's -- here's what Liz and I were talking about. Here's what we want to say to you.

And then get your response.

LIZ: Hi, Congressman Roy, this is the way I see it. I want your take on it. I love you. I think you're one of the best members of Congress. I disagree with you on the process that's happening. And I think that is the difference. The process. We elected Donald Trump to be a disruptor. Because Republican members of Congress for decades have been telling they're fiscal conservatives. They want to decrease the debt SEAL. It hasn't happened.

It hasn't -- it hasn't been done. And so Donald Trump comes in with Elon Musk, and uses this DOGE process to first identify these pieces of garbage in the first 1500-page bill. And take those things to the people. We took them to members of Congress. Congress said, okay. We'll listen to you.

So that new process was very effective.

And my question to you is: Once that process was proved to be effective. Which I think is exciting and wonderful.

How do we bridge this divide, with you, to say, okay.

Let's put some faith in this new process. And trust Elon Musk and Donald Trump and the Dow Jones process, to eventually address the debt ceiling, but get this done right now?

GLENN: And not blind trust. Chip.

CHIP: So appreciate you guys. Appreciate being on the show. Particular order. I have to go through a couple of things.

GLENN: Yep.

CHIP: Number one, it's important to remember that my job and my duty is to the Constitution, to God, and the people I represent. I told them, when I came to Washington, I would not -- I would not let the credit card and the debt ceiling and the borrowing of the United States without the spending restraints necessary to offset it.

GLENN: Okay.

CHIP: Right now, all we have are promises and ideas and notions. What I know, that neither of you respectfully no, and that none of your listeners respectfully no are the people that are in the room, that I was in with yesterday. And the day before, who are recalcitrant.

And do not want to do the spending cuts that we need to do.

That I believe the president and the DOGE guys. And everybody want to do.

My job, is to force that through the meat grinder. To demand that we do our damn job. Okay?

GLENN: Okay. So hang on. Okay. So wait. Wait. You're right. You're right. You're right. Go ahead.

CHIP: Number thee, when we were going through the bill, I'm glad the bill dropped from 1,550 pages to 116 pages. Three-quarters of Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it, have been out there spreading false facts that we supported a bad bill and didn't like the better bill.

That's not true. But let's be Lear. The 1400 pages that were cut out. It's a panacea.

There were some good stuff in there. There were some bad stuff in there. There was a lot of disinformation.

There wasn't a $70,000 pay raise. There was a 3,000-dollar pay raise.

I didn't support any pay raise. I didn't support a lot of the stuff in there.

But there's a lot of misinformation. And here's the thing: The 116 pages that were left, and I opposed violently the first bill. I was leading the charge on fighting and killing the first bill.

GLENN: And I love you.

LIZ: The second bill for 116 pages. Turned off -- turned off the pay go requirement. That we slash 1.7 trillion automatically.

And added a 5 trillion that are increase.

My view was, I could not support that, without a clear understanding of what cuts we would get, in mandatory spending next year. And undo any of the Inflation Reduction Act.

The undoing of the student loans. The undoing of the crap with the food stamps.

And everything else. I yield back.

GLENN: Okay. I yield back.

Chip, you're not in a hostile room. We love you. And we agree with your end goals. It's our end goal too. We didn't make that promise that you made to the people that voted for you. So we have more wiggle room here.

But you say -- I think our big difference is, you say, I know the guys in the room.

You're right. You do. And we -- we ceded that earlier today on the show.

You are -- one of us is wrong on trust.

I don't trust any of the weasels in Washington.

But I think Donald Trump and Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy have earned enough trust, to get a grace period, here for the first -- maybe the first year.

Or at least six months.

To turn the economy around, and also reduce the size of the government.

And totally flip this thing.

And I know, as somebody who is -- you know, run a company, mainly into a ground. But run a company, and have to switch it, in the middle, and totally reshuffle. That -- that actually costs money, while you're doing it, to bridge the gap.

Because you have to fill up holes while you're filling in the gap.

You don't trust the people in the room. Neither do we.

But we do trust the system that worked on Wednesday with DOGE and Donald Trump.

Where do we disagree?

Can you give them --

CHIP: We don't disagree. And yesterday morning, I was making that precise argument in a room full of conservatives and then a follow-up room with people who will call it, less conservatives.

GLENN: Republican. Yes.

CHIP: And so we were making this argument. And then someone infamously. Something leaked out of the room, somehow out to Mar-a-Lago. That I was being resistant. Because I was negotiating trying to get the agreement to achieve the objective that you just said. I was trying to get, okay. In fact, yesterday morning, I made the argument to a group of conservatives. We need to give the president runway. We need to give him his first 100 days. We need to appreciate JD, and Vivek, and all the people -- and everybody involved. For the president to achieve the objective.

But to get there. We have to make sure that the guys in the room, that are an obstacle to that, don't have the ability to block it.

Because information flow matters. And when those guys tell the president, they can't achieve X.

Then the president will not achieve X. Our job was to force and demand, guys, we need actual understanding of what the cuts will be.

And because otherwise, we're asking us to accept a 5 trillion-dollar limit in our credit card increase. In exchange for nothing!

Literally, in exchange for nothing, but -- but hope.

So our job was to force that change.

Unfortunately, while I was trying to make the argument that we needed something in order to get the votes, someone leaked that down to Mar-a-Lago, and the president reacted.

But now I have to now manage that.

GLENN: Right. I know. I know.

CHIP: They're trying to enforce change in town.

GLENN: So hang on.

We have to leave this. Because I'm going to run against the clock.

I could talk to you all day about this. You were in a meeting this morning about J.D. Vance. Can you tell us anything about that meeting?

CHIP: That meeting happened, because despite what happened yesterday, I'm trying to get this done. Last night, talking to JD, we worked to get this meeting done. We had some good progress this morning.

But there still remains people concerned about spending. That we can work out, what agreement we can reach. On what spending cuts. We can actually get next year, in exchange for giving the vote on a debt ceiling increase.

So it remains fluid. Progress was made. But we have to keep working on it.

And I left that meeting to talk to you. Soil get an update in a minute.

GLENN: Thank you for that, by the way.

I hear there is a new bill that may be coming today.

Is that the one you're talking about?

Or is this another bill that could be another nightmare?

CHIP: Despite other people leaking crap, I refused. I can't say, because it's not been decided by the speaker.

And it's not right to talk about things they're talking about in private meetings.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's -- it's this speaker. I mean, is he really the speaker anymore, Chip, really?

CHIP: We need to hear what bill we need to get forward. And I can't talk about the private meetings. But, look, I'm going to keep fighting for what I promised people that I represent.

I'm going to fight to cut spending. I am going to represent article one.

I'm going to support the president's agenda, but we've got to do that together.

GLENN: Okay.

Chip, thank you.

I think we can -- I think we agree, but I await to see what that means to you. Because we may just have to agree to disagree on this.

But I love you. And I still want you to replace Cornyn.

CHIP: The short version is, for inflation's sake, we cannot increase the debt ceiling $5 trillion without knowing what we're getting for it.

And I don't think anybody should disagree with that.

GLENN: But you don't disagree that Elon Musk and Trump and Vivek are serious about gutting the system.

CHIP: I believe that is their objective. I believe there are obstacles to that objective. And I need to know the sincerity of how we deal with those obstacles, both structural, and human. And we have to figure that out. And that's my job.

America's Favorite Villain Is Ready for Nuclear Fallout. Are You? | Glenn TV | Ep 401

In this episode of Glenn TV — a theatrical how-to guide to survive the breakdown of society after a nuclear attack, according to the new movie “Homestead” from Angel Studios. Glenn Beck interviews the movie’s star and executive producer, Neal McDonough, who plays the head of a family trying to survive as society is breaking down in a postapocalyptic world. You’ve probably seen Neal in everything from the hit TV shows “Yellowstone,” “Suits,” and “Justified” to movies like “Captain America,” “Minority Report,” and the groundbreaking mini-series “Band of Brothers.” Glenn asks Neal what it’s like to play a villain so often, how TV and movies are changing, and how he survived Hollywood as a devoted Christian and husband who refuses to do onscreen kissing scenes with any of his female co-stars. They also discuss his battle with alcoholism, what it’s like working the legends like Sylvester Stallone and Kevin Costner, and the cultural craving for Western cinema. Note: Angel Studios is a sponsor of “The Glenn Beck Program.” Get your tickets for “Homestead” at https://Angel.com/Beck.

Biden FLOODED the Government With DEI, But Trump Has ONE Way to Win

With just weeks left in office, President Biden (or whoever’s actually calling the shots) has decided to hire 1,200 DEI officials. Is this part of a plot to undermine Donald Trump’s plans and make it harder for him to rid the government of woke Deep State bureaucrats? Glenn and fellow BlazeTV host ‪@lizwheeler‬ discuss how other Democrats have recently proposed things like this, including a UK-style “shadow cabinet” that would oppose Trump. Liz also gives her advice to Trump on how to deal with these new DEI officials, who will be paid hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to focus on things like “health equity” …

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GLENN: Okay. Where were we, Liz?

LIZ: The Biden administration. Although, not Biden. Because he can't tell the difference between a nickel and a dime, trying to sabotage the Trump administration.

GLENN: Yeah. So the latest on this is now Biden is hiring 1200. Biden is not doing it.

But he's hiring 1200 DEI officials, and putting them just under the appointed official. So there will be 1200.

Some of these people make almost $400,000 a year. $400,000 a year! That's your tax dollar!

Will you -- in your -- in your life, your average person, I don't know if you'll ever even -- if you'll ever even pay $400,000 in taxes?

So you could be working your whole life, for that one hire.

And he's hired 1200 of them.

And all he's trying to do is make sure the DEI positions just can't get cut.

I've got news for you.

Donald Trump is going to cut those positions.

He's going to. And it's going to get ugly.

I mean, the ACLU was all over this, saying, oh, we've got plans. We're going to -- we're going to -- this is obscene.

This is absolutely obscene. What the Democrats are trying to do. By thwarting the president.

And honestly, thwarting the will of the American people. Remember the speech that was given by I don't know, some boob from -- well, one of the Carolinas.

I don't want to besmirch the other one for electing a boob. But he was -- he was giving a speech in the well of the Senate. And he said, we need a shadow government. What?

Hold it. You mean a Deep State. Because we already have one of those. And he said. This is a quote.

One of the most obscene things I've ever heard from an elected representative. We failed to make our case. That our policies are better.

Now, in my world, growing up in America, the next sentence is: We need to sit down and talk and find out why we're out of step, with the American people.

His was, but we know we're right. So we need a shadow government, to make sure we put our policies in, anyway.

There's nothing more un-American than that.

By the way, Ted Cruz also said, he thinks there's criminal charges that could be lodged against Biden and his administration for the selling of the steel and the walls for the border.

I think so too. I think so too. He'll probably end up blanketing or pardoning everybody that has either lived by a Biden. Or a Democrat.

Worked for the administration. Everybody will get a pardon at the end.

Honestly, it's like, hey. Everybody, Oprah is here.

Look under your seats.

Because you've got a pardon. You've got a pardon. And you've got a pardon.

Ugh!

Now...

PAT: The Department of Health and Human Services on November 15th. This is posted immediately after President Trump has been reelected.

They advertised for the following position. A deputy assistant secretary for Minority Health. With a salary of up to 221 thousand dollars. This is the goal of this position.

Or this is the purpose of this position.

To, quote, promote health equity.

To promote health equity.

What does that mean?

It means racial criminalization in health care.

It means, if you are seeking, I don't know.

Think about during the pandemic. When there was limited resources. Limited beds in the emergency room.

Limited amounts of drugs and therapeutics, that people could access, in order to treat COVID when it's at its worse.

Well, now you will be screened based on the color of your skin.

That's what health equity is. Health equity is a word used to disguise the reality, that it's just -- it's socialism.

It's discrimination.

It requires, a government official to look at you, and make a decision about whether or not you are going to have access to health care that you might need, based on what you look like.

Not based on the severity of your illness. Not based on your ability to pay. Not based on your request for care. But based on the color of your skin. That's not only wrong and immoral and completely absurd, that a bureaucratic in that position would make over $221,000. That's evil. The left likes to pretend, that you're a racist. Or I'm a racist. Just for voting for Donald Trump. This is evil racism. This is the kind of stuff that we eradicated from our country.

And Biden is trying to plant the Trump administration. With these evil little minions before he leaves.

GLENN: I mean, why are we -- why are we surprised?

How many anti-slavery amendments do we have, to the Constitution.

I mean, it's amazing to me. With very few exception, after ten, most of these seem to be like, oh.

Yeah. Okay.

You're so stupid, you don't understand.

Slaves need to be free. Okay.

Then the next amendment is like, okay. All right.

Let me limp up to explain this once more.

That means, they're Americans, and can vote!

How many amendments are -- are just one after another, especially on slavery.

And, by the way, who was it that didn't understand that slaves should be freed? The Democratic Party.

It -- I swear to you, these amendments are just, God, we didn't think you would be this stupid.

It's already covered!

But let's lay it out clearly, for you.

You cannot discriminate by color! By race! By religion.

We thought that had already been covered, but apparently, not.

LIZ: What I would do if I were the Trump transition team. This is obviously a deliberate effort by the Biden administration. Because within the first ten days after the election, 33 of these jobs were posted on government websites.

So this was -- they were like, okay. Trump is coming in. Let's start ceding the deep state with these races. What I would do if I were Trump transition is I would say, we take racial equality, very seriously. We take civil rights very seriously.

In the administration, of the 47th president of the United States, and anybody who engages, especially a government official who engages in racial discrimination will be prosecuted. And prevent these people from even accepting these jobs. Because they will be threatened with legal action if they do.

GLENN: You can make a legal case. A solid, legal case, that that is exactly right. And that's what should be done.

They would be doing that to us, if we were -- if we were discriminating on race. If we were like, you know what, we're only going to hire white people.

We would go to jail.

Oh, you know what. We're just going to shuffle the deck here.

We're going to look at everybody.

But we lean towards white people.

Did you have Wheaties for breakfast?

If you had Wheaties as a childhood, you're in a different category. Okay?

I mean, we would go to jail. We would be shut down.

It's the same thing.

But don't expect the Democrats to get it.

Did you see the new -- or the DNC chair front runner?

The one they're thinking should be the head of the DNC?

He said, the problem with the election is, the convention should have featured pro-Hamas activists.

LIZ: I totally agree. That absolutely should have --
GLENN: At least they would have been honest.
LIZ: Think about how many Democrat voters, and really prominent people too.

I'm talking about Joe Rogan. I'm talking about Elon Musk. I'm talking about RFK Jr. These were fairly hard-core Democrats, who not only converted to being like, okay. We'll tolerate a Republican. Because it's not Joe Biden.

It's not Kamala Harris.

These people are the biggest supporters of President Trump right now, because of that kind of garbage. So DNC, if you are going to be radical, please be honest and tell us.

Thank you. It's just ushering new Republican voters right into our arms.

GLENN: I respect you, more than I respect people like Mike Johnson.

Mike Johnson doesn't tell me what -- he doesn't tell me what he really is.

What he really believes.

He tells me what I want to hear. I don't believe it. Then he's elected. Then he gets in.

And then he rapes you.

You know, I have much more respect for -- for people who are like, yeah. I'm pro-Hamas.

And you should elect me.

Well, I don't think I'm going to do it.

But thank you for telling me who you really are.

LIZ: Yeah. Great. Let's take all of the Democrat members of Congress. And let's Jamaal Bowman them, let's Cori Bush them.

Because as soon as they were honest about being pro-Hamas, voters were like, actually, we're good.

GLENN: Yep. Yep.

By the way, Hochul has come out. And she has now tried to stir up support to end the electoral college.

Because no offense, Wyoming, according to her words, New York voted for Kamala Harris.

You know, it is so dishonest. And this would -- this would have no space, if -- if we were actually teaching you students, what the electoral college is for.

You want to talk about fairness. Here's fairness: Should New York City dictate what all of New York does?

No!

They have representation. Of all the small towns.

All the farming towns.

Everything else.

New York City, should not be the one that tells everyone else, exactly how to live!

I think there should be electoral colleges in states now.

Because the cities are just devouring, all of the communities outside of those mega cities.

The electoral college is to make sure, that New York, California, and let me say, Texas, doesn't run over all of the other states!

And force how they're living in those cities, and those big states. In Wyoming!

Or Idaho!

Or Alabama!

Yeah. I don't have to live like you do in New York City.

I don't want to live like you do in New York City.

And we have completely different values than you do.

We should have a say, and an even, equal seat at the table.

That's why we have the electoral college. And we have the popular vote.

So you can see. And it's usually pretty close.

This time, however, Hochul, you lost the popular vote!

So you don't really have a case here, on the electoral college.

But you don't have a case.

If you're an American, you don't have a case on the electoral college anyway.

LIZ: Wait a second. Have we war gamed the scenario that you just proposed.

If there was an electoral college on the state level in California or on the state level in New York, what would the -- have we actually looked at a map here. If anybody has done this. Tag me on social media.

Because I am fascinated by this idea. I've not thought of this before. But I -- would we actually swing those states Republicans, if there was a state level?

STU: I bet we would. I bet we would.

You know, every time. Look at Wyoming.

Jackson Hole now controls Wyoming. Just controls it.

Who is -- who is so close to controlling Texas?

All the big cities.

You know, you don't have a chance. When these cities grow so large, they tip everything.

That's why we have an electoral college.

And it didn't used to be this way.

But our cities are becoming mega cities.

Almost states in and among themselves.

You -- you have to balance. Otherwise, the farmer and everybody else, that makes your life possible, in a city, gets screwed.

GLENN: And also think about cheating for a second. If you have a popular vote across the whole country, versus an electoral college system, it's a lot easier to impact the outcome of the entire presidential election because you can have one county somewhere with corrupt election officials.

And if they cheat by 10,000 votes, that could change the outcome of the election.

But if you're an electoral college, it doesn't necessarily.