RADIOOctober 20, 2023

Jewish college student HORRIFIED by ANTISEMITISM on campus after Hamas attack

It didn't take long after Hamas attacked Israel for pro-Palestinian rallies to pop up on college campuses around the country. But these gatherings have often been anti-Israel as well, and even antisemitic. So, Glenn wanted to hear from a Jewish student about how life on campus has changed over the past few weeks. Georgetown University law student Julia Wax joins Glenn to describe the level of antisemitism she's experienced as her fellow students deny that Hamas' atrocities against Israel even happened and chant things like, "we don't want no Jew state" and "globalize the intifada." But do these college students even realize the antisemitism they're spewing? Plus, The Lawfare Project's Brook Goldstein joins to discuss her efforts to provide pro bono legal support to Jewish students on campus who have been targeted for being Jewish.

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GLENN: These are the exact times I had been warning America about for almost, what 15 years. Twenty years now.

It is why I spent so much time on Israel and the Jewish state.

And Martin Luther King.

For so many years.

Because this is part of what always happens in a -- in a world that goes mad with socialism and Marxism.

It always -- always comes with massive anti-Semitism.

And we're seeing it now in our universities. We're seeing it everywhere.

And it's apparently not that disturbing for a lot of people.

I think everyone should be talking about this, at lunch and dinner. At the water cooler.

You know, wherever you're hanging out and talking about things, there is nothing, I think, more important than this.

Because once anti-Semitism, is this -- it's this gateway to hell. It's this gateway to hell.

And I just asked if you are not Jewish. I am not Jewish.

I just want you to imagine what it must feel like, having your children at a university today.

Or you at a university. Or just being Jewish.

We've seen this movie before.

It's not like, oh. Well, they don't really mean it.

Yeah, no, they do.

And when they're chanting this at the university of Pennsylvania, there's only one solution.

That's -- that's not even veiled.

They're talking about the final solution.

Which was so horrific, they never said the extermination of all the Jews.

They gave a code name.

The final solution. They didn't even want people to know about it. But apparently, everybody on the left, here in America, and around the world. Are all for just letting it rip.

That should terrify non-Jews. Let alone, anyone of Jewish dissent.

Julia Wax is a law student at Georgetown University.

God love her. She's also a Georgetown law Zionist co-president. And Brooke Goldstein joins us.

She's the Law Fair Project. Founder and executive director and author of end Jewish hatred.

Julia, Brooke, welcome to the program.

VOICE: Hi, thank you for having us.

GLENN: You bet. Julia, let me start with you. What are you experiencing, and others experiencing on campus?

JULIA: I would like to say, that this is not just happening at Georgetown. It's happening at campuses -- yeah. Across the United States.

GLENN: Everywhere. And the world.

JULIA: Yeah. And the world. And what we're experiencing is our student group, and students individually, who are posting on social media. Things that basically are anti-Semitic rhetoric. Things that deny the events that happened this past week in Israel, denies the beheading of 40 babies, saying that the Nova incident and the music festival didn't occur. Trying to say that AI is how this is all being generated.

Posting, you know, from the river to the sea, Palestine should be free. They are promoting events and rallies, one of which I went to, to try to understand. I went undercover. And they started chanting, we don't want no Jew state.

GLENN: Jeez.

JULIA: And they started chanting, Zionism will fall. And globalize the (another language). And I don't even -- I don't even think these people understand that the language that they're shouting is anti-Semitic.

It's so deeply embedded, at this point. So it's time to take a stand. And speak out.

I -- my staff prayed for you, Julia, and people like you today, that are -- that are on campuses all over the world. That you have strength, and, oh. I don't even know what else it would take. But that the Lord would be with you.

Brooke, what is your involvement in this? I know you've written a book on ending Jew hatred. But the Law Fair Project. What is that?

BROOKE: First of all, Glenn. I want to thank you so much for your moral clarity. Because this is a time when we need leadership, and we need people like you speaking the truth. It is absolutely very scary. And what we're doing, at the Law Fair Project is we provide pro bono legal support to Jewish students on campus, who are facing a hostile environment that targets them because they are Jewish.

And I want to make absolutely clear. And you said it in your intro. This is not about a Palestinian state.

This has nothing to do with politics. This has everything to do with Islamist-Nazi-like Jew hatred.

And the people that Julia was talking about before, they are akin to Holocaust deniers.

They are the new Hamas, Holocaust deniers.

And it's always those who deny the truth. And denying the truth of this recent genocide.

Because that's what it was. A genocide. That want to commit the same acts and atrocities again.

And that's exactly what Julia is saying. They're chanting on campus.

And Jewish students around the country are feeling unfazed.

So it is incumbent on the administration. The Biden administration.

Who has been giving wonderful speeches. Standing with Israel.

To stand with the Jewish population. Within the United States.

That is absolutely paramount.

And to do everything they can, to root out these terror-supporting, terror-affiliated groups, like SJPs. Students for justice in Palestine.

And groups that support Palestine. They must get off of our campuses.

Because you said it yourself, Glenn. This is a national security threat for the United States.

GLENN: So, guys, I mean, this is so deep, and because I know. Because I've been watching it. I've been watching it. And looking for it, since 2005. 2003. And watching it grow. And it's -- it is in everything now. Black Lives Matter. When people stood up, I kept saying, you can't stand with these people. You might think that there's a problem with the police, you might think there's a problem. Well, good. Let's talk about that and solve it.

But these people are trying to destroy Israel.

They're trying to destroy the traditional family. I mean, how are you going to stop this, in our universities?

It came from the universities.

VOICE: Well, I think it's really important for your audience to understand, the influence of foreign funding.

People in the counterterrorism community have been warning about the billions and billions of dollars coming from states like Qatar. Which is the second largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world.

VOICE: Funding our institutions.

GLENN: Go ahead.

BROOKE: Pardon, Julia.

JULIA: I believe Georgetown has a campus in Qatar as well.

GLENN: Who does?

BROOKE: Tell us about that, Julia.

JULIA: I don't know too much but Georgetown does have a campus in Qatar.

BROOKE: How is it that our administrators are taking hundreds of millions of dollars per campus? They're not registering as foreign agents. They're not disclosing the memos of understanding. What are the terms of this agreement?

I guarantee, this money, we know, is going to diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's going to critical race theory. It's going to fund student groups.

And it's going to radicalize Americans to turn not just against Israel, but against America.

GLENN: Julia. What does it -- I don't know if you can even answer this.

What does it feel like, to be a Jew today?

JULIA: It requires a lot of perseverance.

I'm definitely one of the loudest persons on the campus, when it comes to this subject.

And I'm trying to stay strong for a group of people, because there are students who are unable to focus and are forced in a classroom with students to promote these rallies.

Students are texting me that they are scared to come to class.

Students who are removing their Star of David necklaces. Students who have removed their Israeli flags from their locker.

It's a hostile environment.

You walk down the street, and you don't know who is for you, and who is against you.

And I think it's important to note that this used to be a very fringe group of people no the university campuses. This used to be a very fringe, far left group.

And now it's the majority.

And now, quite honestly, on campuses across the United States, it feels like the majority is against us.

And yesterday, we hosted a survivor, from the nova music festival on our campus.

In 24 hours.

I was able to get her to come and speak.

And before, I think I questioned, how could the Holocaust even have occurred.

How could something even so horrific, have occurred?

And after last night, and listening to this woman speak.

This woman who is similar, who looks like me. Who has a similar background as me, and hearing her -- give her story, about running away from the terrorists. Having friends who died. Now I know. And that's -- it -- it's a staunch and haunting realization as a Jewish person, to have. To be sitting in that room, with 40 other Jewish students, listening to this woman who looks like us, who is one of us, speaks about being persecuted.

And anybody who denies that Hamas is not a terrorist organization, is part of the problem.

And is someone who is stealing anti-Semitic rhetoric and making this a much more globalized issue.

And, Julia, weren't you saying also that the survivor was then further taunting, when she was coming and telling her story?

JULIA: She -- she -- she did speak on the fact, that even in America, she does not feel safe. As a Jewish woman.

But she has friends, who -- who have to have their locks changed. That, you know, she still does not feel safe even being here in America. Due to seeing what she sees occur.

Specifically on campuses.

You know, campuses are the think tanks of America.

This is where all our legal ideas. This is where our new educational ideas stem from.

And it astounds me that we're looking at the most prestigious universities in the world, Harvard, Georgetown, Columbia, Stanford. You know, all these massive organizations.

And they have people at their organizations. And it's not just one, two, or three.

It's hundreds of students that are shouting this rhetoric, and making it unsafe for us.

GLENN: Will you please keep my phone number with you?

If there is anything I can ever do, or my organizations can do for you, please reach out.

I want you to know, a long time ago, I -- before I brought my family to Israel, I brought them to Auschwitz.

And I -- I told them, that you can't understand Israel, unless you understand Auschwitz.

And I asked each of them to read a book of one of the Righteous Among the Nations.

Because I wanted my family to decide who we would be long before, any of this stuff would happen again.

I want you to know, I'm not alone. And you are not alone.

There are millions of us, that stand with you.

We know the past. We know what the future can be. If we remain silent again.

And you will always, always have a place at my table.

Thank you.

JULIA: Thank you. Thank you. I really appreciate it.

GLENN: Good bless you, Julia.

JULIA: Glenn, I just want to say one more thing. There's millions out there. We need you to be vocal now. What can you do to help the Jewish community?

You can call up the administration at Georgetown, right now, today.

Flood them. Flood their email inbox. Make sure you're calling them, every single minute, demanding they create a campus that is safe for the Jewish students.

Demanding they kick off student groups off campus, that are taunting Jewish students, and making it unsafe to exist there. That's how we could use your help.

GLENN: We will do it. Thank you so much.

EXCLUSIVE: Chip Roy Explains His FIERY Rejection of Spending Bill

According to the media, there’s a big fight going on between Republicans over the House’s new slimmed-down continuing resolution spending bill. Some, including President-elect Donald Trump, wanted the bill to pass. But others, like Texas Representative Chip Roy, argued that it still wasn’t ready. However, is the Republican “unity coalition” really crumbling, like the media claims? Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn to explain what’s really going on. He argues that he IS trying to give Trump and DOGE a 100-day “runway” to fix the country. But he makes the case that, by increasing the debt ceiling by $5 trillion without agreeing on other cuts, this bill gives bad actors the ability to be an “obstacle” to Trump’s agenda further down the line. Plus, he reveals to Glenn that he believes some of these bad actors LEAKED false information about his stance to Mar-a-Lago.

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GLENN:

I think we have a great opportunity today. To show you how to have a -- tough conversation, with friends, friends. Where you deeply disagree on something.

But you know that their intent is good. They know my intent is good. Or our intent is good.

And we actually have the same end goal, but we disagree on the path. And we're going to walk away friends.

Chip Roy is joining us today. And, Chip, I love you. And I always will. And I agree with your, we've got to cut spending. We have to. But Liz Wheeler is with me. And we've been talking about it all morning. It's the -- the -- the -- the system of DOGE and Trump, the call-out to the world, in saying, you've got to surrender the Capitol. You know, the bad guys are in and about to take all the money.

Surround, and tell them, come out with your hands up. And that happened. And we scored a massive win, in an entirely new way.

Ask then you stood on principle, one we both agree with.

And it failed!

And so here's -- here's what Liz and I were talking about. Here's what we want to say to you.

And then get your response.

LIZ: Hi, Congressman Roy, this is the way I see it. I want your take on it. I love you. I think you're one of the best members of Congress. I disagree with you on the process that's happening. And I think that is the difference. The process. We elected Donald Trump to be a disruptor. Because Republican members of Congress for decades have been telling they're fiscal conservatives. They want to decrease the debt SEAL. It hasn't happened.

It hasn't -- it hasn't been done. And so Donald Trump comes in with Elon Musk, and uses this DOGE process to first identify these pieces of garbage in the first 1500-page bill. And take those things to the people. We took them to members of Congress. Congress said, okay. We'll listen to you.

So that new process was very effective.

And my question to you is: Once that process was proved to be effective. Which I think is exciting and wonderful.

How do we bridge this divide, with you, to say, okay.

Let's put some faith in this new process. And trust Elon Musk and Donald Trump and the Dow Jones process, to eventually address the debt ceiling, but get this done right now?

GLENN: And not blind trust. Chip.

CHIP: So appreciate you guys. Appreciate being on the show. Particular order. I have to go through a couple of things.

GLENN: Yep.

CHIP: Number one, it's important to remember that my job and my duty is to the Constitution, to God, and the people I represent. I told them, when I came to Washington, I would not -- I would not let the credit card and the debt ceiling and the borrowing of the United States without the spending restraints necessary to offset it.

GLENN: Okay.

CHIP: Right now, all we have are promises and ideas and notions. What I know, that neither of you respectfully no, and that none of your listeners respectfully no are the people that are in the room, that I was in with yesterday. And the day before, who are recalcitrant.

And do not want to do the spending cuts that we need to do.

That I believe the president and the DOGE guys. And everybody want to do.

My job, is to force that through the meat grinder. To demand that we do our damn job. Okay?

GLENN: Okay. So hang on. Okay. So wait. Wait. You're right. You're right. You're right. Go ahead.

CHIP: Number thee, when we were going through the bill, I'm glad the bill dropped from 1,550 pages to 116 pages. Three-quarters of Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it, have been out there spreading false facts that we supported a bad bill and didn't like the better bill.

That's not true. But let's be Lear. The 1400 pages that were cut out. It's a panacea.

There were some good stuff in there. There were some bad stuff in there. There was a lot of disinformation.

There wasn't a $70,000 pay raise. There was a 3,000-dollar pay raise.

I didn't support any pay raise. I didn't support a lot of the stuff in there.

But there's a lot of misinformation. And here's the thing: The 116 pages that were left, and I opposed violently the first bill. I was leading the charge on fighting and killing the first bill.

GLENN: And I love you.

LIZ: The second bill for 116 pages. Turned off -- turned off the pay go requirement. That we slash 1.7 trillion automatically.

And added a 5 trillion that are increase.

My view was, I could not support that, without a clear understanding of what cuts we would get, in mandatory spending next year. And undo any of the Inflation Reduction Act.

The undoing of the student loans. The undoing of the crap with the food stamps.

And everything else. I yield back.

GLENN: Okay. I yield back.

Chip, you're not in a hostile room. We love you. And we agree with your end goals. It's our end goal too. We didn't make that promise that you made to the people that voted for you. So we have more wiggle room here.

But you say -- I think our big difference is, you say, I know the guys in the room.

You're right. You do. And we -- we ceded that earlier today on the show.

You are -- one of us is wrong on trust.

I don't trust any of the weasels in Washington.

But I think Donald Trump and Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy have earned enough trust, to get a grace period, here for the first -- maybe the first year.

Or at least six months.

To turn the economy around, and also reduce the size of the government.

And totally flip this thing.

And I know, as somebody who is -- you know, run a company, mainly into a ground. But run a company, and have to switch it, in the middle, and totally reshuffle. That -- that actually costs money, while you're doing it, to bridge the gap.

Because you have to fill up holes while you're filling in the gap.

You don't trust the people in the room. Neither do we.

But we do trust the system that worked on Wednesday with DOGE and Donald Trump.

Where do we disagree?

Can you give them --

CHIP: We don't disagree. And yesterday morning, I was making that precise argument in a room full of conservatives and then a follow-up room with people who will call it, less conservatives.

GLENN: Republican. Yes.

CHIP: And so we were making this argument. And then someone infamously. Something leaked out of the room, somehow out to Mar-a-Lago. That I was being resistant. Because I was negotiating trying to get the agreement to achieve the objective that you just said. I was trying to get, okay. In fact, yesterday morning, I made the argument to a group of conservatives. We need to give the president runway. We need to give him his first 100 days. We need to appreciate JD, and Vivek, and all the people -- and everybody involved. For the president to achieve the objective.

But to get there. We have to make sure that the guys in the room, that are an obstacle to that, don't have the ability to block it.

Because information flow matters. And when those guys tell the president, they can't achieve X.

Then the president will not achieve X. Our job was to force and demand, guys, we need actual understanding of what the cuts will be.

And because otherwise, we're asking us to accept a 5 trillion-dollar limit in our credit card increase. In exchange for nothing!

Literally, in exchange for nothing, but -- but hope.

So our job was to force that change.

Unfortunately, while I was trying to make the argument that we needed something in order to get the votes, someone leaked that down to Mar-a-Lago, and the president reacted.

But now I have to now manage that.

GLENN: Right. I know. I know.

CHIP: They're trying to enforce change in town.

GLENN: So hang on.

We have to leave this. Because I'm going to run against the clock.

I could talk to you all day about this. You were in a meeting this morning about J.D. Vance. Can you tell us anything about that meeting?

CHIP: That meeting happened, because despite what happened yesterday, I'm trying to get this done. Last night, talking to JD, we worked to get this meeting done. We had some good progress this morning.

But there still remains people concerned about spending. That we can work out, what agreement we can reach. On what spending cuts. We can actually get next year, in exchange for giving the vote on a debt ceiling increase.

So it remains fluid. Progress was made. But we have to keep working on it.

And I left that meeting to talk to you. Soil get an update in a minute.

GLENN: Thank you for that, by the way.

I hear there is a new bill that may be coming today.

Is that the one you're talking about?

Or is this another bill that could be another nightmare?

CHIP: Despite other people leaking crap, I refused. I can't say, because it's not been decided by the speaker.

And it's not right to talk about things they're talking about in private meetings.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's -- it's this speaker. I mean, is he really the speaker anymore, Chip, really?

CHIP: We need to hear what bill we need to get forward. And I can't talk about the private meetings. But, look, I'm going to keep fighting for what I promised people that I represent.

I'm going to fight to cut spending. I am going to represent article one.

I'm going to support the president's agenda, but we've got to do that together.

GLENN: Okay.

Chip, thank you.

I think we can -- I think we agree, but I await to see what that means to you. Because we may just have to agree to disagree on this.

But I love you. And I still want you to replace Cornyn.

CHIP: The short version is, for inflation's sake, we cannot increase the debt ceiling $5 trillion without knowing what we're getting for it.

And I don't think anybody should disagree with that.

GLENN: But you don't disagree that Elon Musk and Trump and Vivek are serious about gutting the system.

CHIP: I believe that is their objective. I believe there are obstacles to that objective. And I need to know the sincerity of how we deal with those obstacles, both structural, and human. And we have to figure that out. And that's my job.

America's Favorite Villain Is Ready for Nuclear Fallout. Are You? | Glenn TV | Ep 401

In this episode of Glenn TV — a theatrical how-to guide to survive the breakdown of society after a nuclear attack, according to the new movie “Homestead” from Angel Studios. Glenn Beck interviews the movie’s star and executive producer, Neal McDonough, who plays the head of a family trying to survive as society is breaking down in a postapocalyptic world. You’ve probably seen Neal in everything from the hit TV shows “Yellowstone,” “Suits,” and “Justified” to movies like “Captain America,” “Minority Report,” and the groundbreaking mini-series “Band of Brothers.” Glenn asks Neal what it’s like to play a villain so often, how TV and movies are changing, and how he survived Hollywood as a devoted Christian and husband who refuses to do onscreen kissing scenes with any of his female co-stars. They also discuss his battle with alcoholism, what it’s like working the legends like Sylvester Stallone and Kevin Costner, and the cultural craving for Western cinema. Note: Angel Studios is a sponsor of “The Glenn Beck Program.” Get your tickets for “Homestead” at https://Angel.com/Beck.

Biden FLOODED the Government With DEI, But Trump Has ONE Way to Win

With just weeks left in office, President Biden (or whoever’s actually calling the shots) has decided to hire 1,200 DEI officials. Is this part of a plot to undermine Donald Trump’s plans and make it harder for him to rid the government of woke Deep State bureaucrats? Glenn and fellow BlazeTV host ‪@lizwheeler‬ discuss how other Democrats have recently proposed things like this, including a UK-style “shadow cabinet” that would oppose Trump. Liz also gives her advice to Trump on how to deal with these new DEI officials, who will be paid hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to focus on things like “health equity” …

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GLENN: Okay. Where were we, Liz?

LIZ: The Biden administration. Although, not Biden. Because he can't tell the difference between a nickel and a dime, trying to sabotage the Trump administration.

GLENN: Yeah. So the latest on this is now Biden is hiring 1200. Biden is not doing it.

But he's hiring 1200 DEI officials, and putting them just under the appointed official. So there will be 1200.

Some of these people make almost $400,000 a year. $400,000 a year! That's your tax dollar!

Will you -- in your -- in your life, your average person, I don't know if you'll ever even -- if you'll ever even pay $400,000 in taxes?

So you could be working your whole life, for that one hire.

And he's hired 1200 of them.

And all he's trying to do is make sure the DEI positions just can't get cut.

I've got news for you.

Donald Trump is going to cut those positions.

He's going to. And it's going to get ugly.

I mean, the ACLU was all over this, saying, oh, we've got plans. We're going to -- we're going to -- this is obscene.

This is absolutely obscene. What the Democrats are trying to do. By thwarting the president.

And honestly, thwarting the will of the American people. Remember the speech that was given by I don't know, some boob from -- well, one of the Carolinas.

I don't want to besmirch the other one for electing a boob. But he was -- he was giving a speech in the well of the Senate. And he said, we need a shadow government. What?

Hold it. You mean a Deep State. Because we already have one of those. And he said. This is a quote.

One of the most obscene things I've ever heard from an elected representative. We failed to make our case. That our policies are better.

Now, in my world, growing up in America, the next sentence is: We need to sit down and talk and find out why we're out of step, with the American people.

His was, but we know we're right. So we need a shadow government, to make sure we put our policies in, anyway.

There's nothing more un-American than that.

By the way, Ted Cruz also said, he thinks there's criminal charges that could be lodged against Biden and his administration for the selling of the steel and the walls for the border.

I think so too. I think so too. He'll probably end up blanketing or pardoning everybody that has either lived by a Biden. Or a Democrat.

Worked for the administration. Everybody will get a pardon at the end.

Honestly, it's like, hey. Everybody, Oprah is here.

Look under your seats.

Because you've got a pardon. You've got a pardon. And you've got a pardon.

Ugh!

Now...

PAT: The Department of Health and Human Services on November 15th. This is posted immediately after President Trump has been reelected.

They advertised for the following position. A deputy assistant secretary for Minority Health. With a salary of up to 221 thousand dollars. This is the goal of this position.

Or this is the purpose of this position.

To, quote, promote health equity.

To promote health equity.

What does that mean?

It means racial criminalization in health care.

It means, if you are seeking, I don't know.

Think about during the pandemic. When there was limited resources. Limited beds in the emergency room.

Limited amounts of drugs and therapeutics, that people could access, in order to treat COVID when it's at its worse.

Well, now you will be screened based on the color of your skin.

That's what health equity is. Health equity is a word used to disguise the reality, that it's just -- it's socialism.

It's discrimination.

It requires, a government official to look at you, and make a decision about whether or not you are going to have access to health care that you might need, based on what you look like.

Not based on the severity of your illness. Not based on your ability to pay. Not based on your request for care. But based on the color of your skin. That's not only wrong and immoral and completely absurd, that a bureaucratic in that position would make over $221,000. That's evil. The left likes to pretend, that you're a racist. Or I'm a racist. Just for voting for Donald Trump. This is evil racism. This is the kind of stuff that we eradicated from our country.

And Biden is trying to plant the Trump administration. With these evil little minions before he leaves.

GLENN: I mean, why are we -- why are we surprised?

How many anti-slavery amendments do we have, to the Constitution.

I mean, it's amazing to me. With very few exception, after ten, most of these seem to be like, oh.

Yeah. Okay.

You're so stupid, you don't understand.

Slaves need to be free. Okay.

Then the next amendment is like, okay. All right.

Let me limp up to explain this once more.

That means, they're Americans, and can vote!

How many amendments are -- are just one after another, especially on slavery.

And, by the way, who was it that didn't understand that slaves should be freed? The Democratic Party.

It -- I swear to you, these amendments are just, God, we didn't think you would be this stupid.

It's already covered!

But let's lay it out clearly, for you.

You cannot discriminate by color! By race! By religion.

We thought that had already been covered, but apparently, not.

LIZ: What I would do if I were the Trump transition team. This is obviously a deliberate effort by the Biden administration. Because within the first ten days after the election, 33 of these jobs were posted on government websites.

So this was -- they were like, okay. Trump is coming in. Let's start ceding the deep state with these races. What I would do if I were Trump transition is I would say, we take racial equality, very seriously. We take civil rights very seriously.

In the administration, of the 47th president of the United States, and anybody who engages, especially a government official who engages in racial discrimination will be prosecuted. And prevent these people from even accepting these jobs. Because they will be threatened with legal action if they do.

GLENN: You can make a legal case. A solid, legal case, that that is exactly right. And that's what should be done.

They would be doing that to us, if we were -- if we were discriminating on race. If we were like, you know what, we're only going to hire white people.

We would go to jail.

Oh, you know what. We're just going to shuffle the deck here.

We're going to look at everybody.

But we lean towards white people.

Did you have Wheaties for breakfast?

If you had Wheaties as a childhood, you're in a different category. Okay?

I mean, we would go to jail. We would be shut down.

It's the same thing.

But don't expect the Democrats to get it.

Did you see the new -- or the DNC chair front runner?

The one they're thinking should be the head of the DNC?

He said, the problem with the election is, the convention should have featured pro-Hamas activists.

LIZ: I totally agree. That absolutely should have --
GLENN: At least they would have been honest.
LIZ: Think about how many Democrat voters, and really prominent people too.

I'm talking about Joe Rogan. I'm talking about Elon Musk. I'm talking about RFK Jr. These were fairly hard-core Democrats, who not only converted to being like, okay. We'll tolerate a Republican. Because it's not Joe Biden.

It's not Kamala Harris.

These people are the biggest supporters of President Trump right now, because of that kind of garbage. So DNC, if you are going to be radical, please be honest and tell us.

Thank you. It's just ushering new Republican voters right into our arms.

GLENN: I respect you, more than I respect people like Mike Johnson.

Mike Johnson doesn't tell me what -- he doesn't tell me what he really is.

What he really believes.

He tells me what I want to hear. I don't believe it. Then he's elected. Then he gets in.

And then he rapes you.

You know, I have much more respect for -- for people who are like, yeah. I'm pro-Hamas.

And you should elect me.

Well, I don't think I'm going to do it.

But thank you for telling me who you really are.

LIZ: Yeah. Great. Let's take all of the Democrat members of Congress. And let's Jamaal Bowman them, let's Cori Bush them.

Because as soon as they were honest about being pro-Hamas, voters were like, actually, we're good.

GLENN: Yep. Yep.

By the way, Hochul has come out. And she has now tried to stir up support to end the electoral college.

Because no offense, Wyoming, according to her words, New York voted for Kamala Harris.

You know, it is so dishonest. And this would -- this would have no space, if -- if we were actually teaching you students, what the electoral college is for.

You want to talk about fairness. Here's fairness: Should New York City dictate what all of New York does?

No!

They have representation. Of all the small towns.

All the farming towns.

Everything else.

New York City, should not be the one that tells everyone else, exactly how to live!

I think there should be electoral colleges in states now.

Because the cities are just devouring, all of the communities outside of those mega cities.

The electoral college is to make sure, that New York, California, and let me say, Texas, doesn't run over all of the other states!

And force how they're living in those cities, and those big states. In Wyoming!

Or Idaho!

Or Alabama!

Yeah. I don't have to live like you do in New York City.

I don't want to live like you do in New York City.

And we have completely different values than you do.

We should have a say, and an even, equal seat at the table.

That's why we have the electoral college. And we have the popular vote.

So you can see. And it's usually pretty close.

This time, however, Hochul, you lost the popular vote!

So you don't really have a case here, on the electoral college.

But you don't have a case.

If you're an American, you don't have a case on the electoral college anyway.

LIZ: Wait a second. Have we war gamed the scenario that you just proposed.

If there was an electoral college on the state level in California or on the state level in New York, what would the -- have we actually looked at a map here. If anybody has done this. Tag me on social media.

Because I am fascinated by this idea. I've not thought of this before. But I -- would we actually swing those states Republicans, if there was a state level?

STU: I bet we would. I bet we would.

You know, every time. Look at Wyoming.

Jackson Hole now controls Wyoming. Just controls it.

Who is -- who is so close to controlling Texas?

All the big cities.

You know, you don't have a chance. When these cities grow so large, they tip everything.

That's why we have an electoral college.

And it didn't used to be this way.

But our cities are becoming mega cities.

Almost states in and among themselves.

You -- you have to balance. Otherwise, the farmer and everybody else, that makes your life possible, in a city, gets screwed.

GLENN: And also think about cheating for a second. If you have a popular vote across the whole country, versus an electoral college system, it's a lot easier to impact the outcome of the entire presidential election because you can have one county somewhere with corrupt election officials.

And if they cheat by 10,000 votes, that could change the outcome of the election.

But if you're an electoral college, it doesn't necessarily.