RADIOFebruary 25, 2022

Is THIS Putin’s long-term goal for Russia by invading Ukraine?

President Vladimir Putin took both Glenn and his head researcher, Jason Buttrill, ‘by surprise’ when he invaded Ukraine on Thursday — just as U.S. intelligence had predicted. So, where do we go from here? What kind of US sanctions on Russia should we expect from President Biden? What is Ukraine’s strategy militarily, will this escalate into a full ground war, and WHAT could Putin possibly gain from this? Jason and Glenn break down Putin’s possible, long-term goal & more…

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I want to bring in Jason Buttrill who is with us now.

Hi, Jason.

JASON: Hi, Glenn.

GLENN: You and I have been talking about this for a long time.

We have spent a year on Ukraine. And this takes both of us by surprise. I have to hand it to the intelligence community. Although, I don't feel comfortable. Something is not right here.

But the intelligence community and the Biden administration said, this is what he was going to do.

And he's done it.

JASON: Yeah. I agree.

It's really crazy. Because when you study geopolitics. You learn to analyze and look at these things from that lens.

You're taught that, you know, geopolitics is a study of maps. Its demographic numbers. You know, it's interest. Hard-lined interest.

When someone starts acting emotionally, like Putin has been doing for the past year plus, you learn to put that away. And you say, okay. Well, he's obviously after something else.

Which I still think there's something else involved, just like you said. So when the Biden administration was kind of saying, this is happening. Full-scale invasion. All of that.

I didn't think anything was happening. I didn't. I was looking for something behind what was going on. Because this all seemed so irrational. But I think the intelligence community was spot-on.

I've seen reports they can't be it actually, the intelligence community coming out that false flag attacks would happen. That would be the preempt to them doing a full-on invasion.

They were exactly right. And the reports that said it delayed Putin's invasion by possibly a week. Like, they wanted to do this last week, not this week.

So the intelligence community and Biden administration were exactly right on this. Now, there's ways to criticize other things, which we can get through later. What they've done.

Just a quick recap. The media sort of reporting last night, that the invasion was going to commence around 4:00 a.m. Kyiv time.

And pretty much, that was spot-on. It happened around 4:10, 4:15 Kyiv time.

And it's very, very conventional from what I've been noticing all night. This is not like Crimea in 2014 with unconventional warfare. This is a very conventional invasion. What we saw commencing around 4:00 a.m. Kyiv time.

Was airstrikes that tried to command systems. That went as far as Kyiv. And it's a three-pronged attack, coming from Belarus. Coming from Crimea in the South, and from mainland Russia in the East.

Now, we do not bank how far they want to push this, but it is a conventional invasion. It looks as if they will probably go further than eastern Ukraine. Question in you is how far they will go. And how far tensions will rise, especially with NATO gathering troops all along the border with Ukraine.

GLENN: Okay. So let's -- it looks as though he was using conventional warfare.

To cut off the troops, as they were kind of gathered, at the borders of -- of the two districts, that President Putin said he was going to take. They went behind those lines. And kind of cut them off. So they can't fall back. To -- to defend could he have. Correct? is

JASON: Yes, that's correct. Because they know Ukraine's strategy here is they will get overwhelmed. Their main strategy is in the east, guarding those two territories, as you said.

Their strategy is to do a tactical retreat back into the urban areas of Ukraine. Then it turns into both a hybrid guerilla warfare, and heavy urban warfare in the large Ukrainian cities. That is very, very bloody. That is very, very dangerous to the Russian military. As well as civilians. Russia is does not want to kill too many Ukrainian civilians.

Because that will be very, very unpopular in mainland Russia. Ukraine strategy here, as I said, is get into the cities, and to turn it into an urban conference, draw it out for as long as possible. Russia wants to stop that. That explains why they dropped in behind the troops there.

GLENN: Can they take the whole country just by air, and cutting it all off?

JASON: They absolutely can take the whole country in the short-term. It depends on how effective their air assets are, and that's what we're seeing right now is the bomb from the air.

We're seeing cruise missile strikes. So cutting off command and control, all over the country, and crippling Ukraine. So they can eventually roll into the capitol.

That will happen, is my guess. Unless somebody else intervenes. Which I kind of highly doubt.

But a short-term victory is really all Russia can hope for here. And that's a really puzzling thing.

Because I can't imagine they will win in the long-term.

In the long-term, it will be too damaging politically for Russia. It's catastrophic in the short-term.

In the long-term, I don't see how they win in this, unless there's some other grander strategy, that we just don't even know about. Which would be scarier, actually

GLENN: Yeah, I think so too.

All right. Let me take a one-minute break. And then we will come back and discuss this.

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So we have some -- some puzzling things. First of all, Putin said, he wants to de-Nazify Ukraine.

Any idea what's that about?

JASON: Same writer since he's been using since 2014. And it's directed more to the people of Russia, not anyone else in the world, or Ukraine.

But he's been using that World War II sentiment. To get public support, to do what he's now doing.

But that will continue. And no doubt, he will provide some air quote evidence, you know, that they're taking out some Nazi -- but he's drawing on World War II nationalism.

GLENN: Well, he said that there's been an ongoing genocide in Ukraine.

That he's trying to stop.

I mean, this is crazy.

JASON: And that's what makes it so hard for me, when I was looking at this before. To really think that he was going to go through with it. Putin is not a crazy guy. He may be now, but in the past, he's not been.

He's been very cold and calculating. Geopolitical and interests has always been forefront in his mind.

GLENN: He's not a -- he's not a psychopath. I mean, well, he might be. But he doesn't -- he's not somebody driven by rage.

He is cold and calculating.

JASON: Yeah.

GLENN: And when -- I mean, he's out and out evil. He is a bloodthirsty killer, who has spent a lifetime killing people.

But he's logical in it. He's very calculated in it.

And the rhetoric, I mean, I think the Nazi stuff, the religious stuff. That's all -- that's -- that's Dugin kind of language.

JASON: Yeah. And that's a very, very powerful weapon for Russians. Because they're very much willing to suffer, and to -- you know, to -- to basically take it, on the chin.

If they have to. If that means that their country, you know, will eventually reign supreme.

It's interesting, if you go and take a tour of the Kremlin, the red tour in Russia, which I've done many times. You'll be very surprised, to see that the former Soviet Union, the capital, in their red square. Probably 80 percent churches. There's multiple churches.

There weren't religious during the Soviet Union. But historically, during the Russian empire, they were very religious. Orthodoxy is very, very pivotal to Russian nationalism.

And even the Soviets would turn that up, when they needed to. But that's exactly what Putin has done under Dugin, especially in that speech he gave last week. That was very, very telling, to a lot of us that had been looking at this. People like you and me, Glenn.

That okay. Now we know exactly what he's doing.

He's turning up that dial of nationalism, to justify doing, you know, what he's doing. And possibly even more. Which is scary.

GLENN: Okay. Would you agree with me -- and I would like you to explore this a minute.

There is no real obvious win for Putin. His stock market has crashed. This is going to be horrible. They are in the oil business.

They just made a deal with China. But that's years down the road. They're going to shut down all the oil exports into any western country. Because of this.

So his oil is going to crash, which funds his government, and his country. The stock market is down. Business is going to be cut off.

It's already in shambles, in Russia.

What does he have to gain here? Can you think of anything, that he has to gain?

JASON: I've always thought from the beginning of this, especially when I didn't think invasion would happen. I thought he was playing a game, to divide and conquer NATO. That's what I thought. And I still think that's a major part of his plan. Taking Ukraine is also very, very important, strategically for Russia. To get a strategic death.

It's always been their plan, was to have some buffer, so they could have their capital in Moscow.

GLENN: Yeah, but also the warm water port.

JASON: Exactly. When he's talking about heart of Russia, that's true. I don't think that really guides him. I think that's the excuse he uses to get support from home.

GLENN: Right.

JASON: But I think -- and it's very irritating I think that -- we're talked about, Putin is not a psychopath. I think he's very spiteful. I think that the Russian election interference, which I don't think did anything. I don't want to say it did. But their election interference thing is a direct response to Hillary Clinton, and what they did to his election.

I think that a lot of what we're doing now, is a direct response to how the Obama administration and all his foreign policy elites handled 2014 Ukrainian revolution.

I think he responded to these people, directly in kind. That's also the reason why he was willing to back off of this when Trump was there. He knew that's not how they operated. And they weren't the ones directly responsible for what happened. And I think it's ridiculous, that NATO wouldn't respond. Wouldn't say, hey, we will not admit Ukraine into NATO. Why couldn't they say that?

NATO was irrelevant. And the irony of this is now that Putin is responding to that, it's making NATO relevant again. I think eventually his goal is to play the long game.

Eventually, there will be NATO countries. Like Germany will not want to attack. They won't want to send troops. That will cause a divide in NATO. That's going to cause a divide between the UK and France. They won't want to attack either.

And, eventually, this will play out, where NATO will do what he wanted. He wanted NATO to do a draw. That benefits China and everybody else on Russia's side.

His ultimate goal is the long game. Divide NATO. Possibly the end of NATO. And get strategic deaths with Ukraine.

GLENN: Okay. Thank you very much, Jason. I appreciate it.

I will give you another perspective, when we come back.

Because I -- I just don't think -- I mean, I agreed with, he's trying to break up NATO. But not anymore.

This is costing him too high of a price at home.

What could he be angling for?

I'll throw a couple of ideas your way, next.

EVERY LIE About Jan. 6 Revealed

Over the past 4 years, government leaders and the Legacy Media told us that the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot was the end of “Democracy”, incited by Donald Trump, and the darkest day in American history. This narrative sent many Americans to prison, including many nonviolent attendees. But now, we know much more about the truth. Glenn goes down the long list of Jan 6 LIES that are quickly unraveling: “It looks like this was all crafted NOT to protect “Democracy”, but to bolster an agenda.” But there is still plenty that needs to be revealed under Donald Trump.

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GLENN: So here we are, four years -- four years ago was the events of January 6th, 2021. The darkest day in all of the republic. Well, what we thought was true is quickly unraveling now.

For many -- many Americans, this day is a dividing line. The narratives have clashed. Emotions have run high. Our trust in institutions, sworn to protect us, has been further eroded in ways that only dramatic action will -- will we ever be able to regain a portion of our trust.

Now, there are newly emerging details. They're not just revelations. They are bombshells that force to us confront an uncomfortable truth about our government.

And that should be the message of January 6th.

And that message, the truth about our government, its accountability, and the lengths that it will go to preserve its version of a story.

Even when it is all a lie.

Beginning on January 6th, in the afternoon, Americans were told of an imminent threat. Two pipe bombs were found near the RNC and the DNC headquarters. These devices, if you remember, we were told, could have caused catastrophic harm.

After all, at the DNC, the vice president had been rushed to the DNC, strangely without explanation.

And also, strangely all records were lost!
The -- secret service accidentally deleted all of those records on why she was moved to the DNC. Now we know the investigation into these bombs was woefully insufficient.

And I'm being kind with that.

I don't think it even happened at all.

Surveillance footage was ignored. Cameras were turned, just hours before the pipe bomb was laid. Cell phone data, in both places. We were told was corrupted.

The only thing that was corrupted, was our own government and FBI. We now know, that the data was not corrupted. According to the cell phone companies. They were never asked to turn over the information to the FBI. They were never asked. Critical leads went unpursued. Today, four years later, questions about the bomber's identity still remain unanswered. The lack of urgency begs the question, why. Why would federal agencies neglect a critical, critical investigation, in something that was going to destroy the republic? Could have killed the vice president? What if the pipe bombs were nothing more than a convenient distraction? Boy, a justification to escalate security measures and cast a broader shadow over what they hoped would unfold that day? It's not conspiratorial to ask those questions. It is our duty, as citizens. Because we now know, our government lied. So we want answers.

We know that 26 FBI informants were on the ground that day. But they must go into the Capitol.

Now, let that sink in.

It's not speculation. It's fact. Twenty-six FBI informants.

What were they doing there? Were they infiltrating the crowd?

Were they guiding its behavior?

Were they acting as provocateurs. Why if the FBI had six informants, why did this happen at all?

The presence raises troubling concerns about how much of January 6th, was actually organic, and how much was orchestrated.

Four years ago today, I was tweeting, this has got to stop!

This isn't who we are. All of these people should go to jail. Well, today, I still say, if you broke the windows, and you were clad in a mask, man, you were causing damage and, you know, hurting people.

Yeah. You should go to jail. But the time you should have served, is, you know, up by now. But there are still people in jail.

Maybe for as long as 20 years! It looks like this was all crafted, not to protect democracy. But to bolster an agenda.

Amid the chaos, everybody pointed their finger to one man, Donald J. Trump. But the new information paints a vastly different picture. Two takes before January 6th, it has now been verified, that Trump authorized the deployment of the National Guard, citing concerns over potential unrest, at the Capitol on January 6th.

But his concerns were ignored, his offer was rebuffed, by Nancy Pelosi and the Capitol Police. Why?

Who in the chain of command chose to disregard this presidential directive? The presence of the national guard would have prevented much of the mayhem that occurred, maybe even all of it. Yet, that opportunity was squandered, and no one told us about it. In fact, the media told us that Trump wanted the chaos. The truth is, we now know, he sought to prevent it.

This glaring omission from mainstream narrative, exposes just January 6th story has been manipulated to fit a preconceived conclusion.

Then there was the Ashley Babbitt story, a name who has become a rallying cry for those who see January 6th as a miscarriage of justice. She was a decorated Air Force veteran. She was shot and killed on live TV by a Capitol police officer, while attempting to climb through a broken window.

Her death was ruled justified, almost immediately. But now, we learn that the officer involved, violated multiple procedural rules. The officer, wrong shielded from scrutiny, held up as a hero, is now under investigation for misconduct, so severe, that it could lead to criminal charges.

Think about that. A life was taken, the person responsible may not have followed any of the protocols.

What else was cut, because of security? What else was held up as an example of good police work?

And why was Babbitt's death so quickly dismissed by the media and the government officials? In the days of George Floyd, why was this one policeman, his actions not scrutinized?

Did her life not matter? Her story was buried under a mountain of political narratives.

And most importantly, January 6th is all about the perversion of justice. The using of allies and social media. High-tech, global corporations. Including telecom and airlines. In many cases, offering up location data on people, that were simply in Washington, DC, without being asked.

What the FBI did with it, how perverted the court system was in DC alone. The knowing role of our politicians. Local and federal. Our police. The higher ups with the National Guard, as well as at the Pentagon now.

What do these things tell us about our country?

Well, they tell us that our country as we hope it would be is dead. That we have been lied to.

They mean that the events of January 6th are far more complex than the tidy little story that they had by 6:00 p.m. that night.

They mean that the very institutions designed to uphold justice and democracy. May have played a role in undermining them.

And let's not just blame one side.

January 6th wasn't about Trump supporters and Democrats or the media.

It was about a system, that thrives on division and chaos.

A system that uses fear, to control us. If federal agencies can lie, manipulate, and withhold the truth about January 6th. What are they not capable of doing?

What are they willing to do? To maintain their grip on power.

We the American people, four years later, on January 6th, must demand the truth. We don't just deserve it. We demand it.

Not the sanitized version. Not the politically convenient version. Not the story that makes the Democrats look bad alone.

But tells us the truth. The entire truth. That means, demanding accountability from the FBI. The Capitol Police.

Every government official on either side, who had a hand in what happened that day, or covering it up.

It means, refusing to let the deaths, the lies, the unanswered questions, fade into a history, of political footnotes.

It seems that January 6th now four years later, we can say was not the end of democracy. But it may have been the beginning of the end for our blind trust in all of our institutions, that we now know have failed us time and time again.

The truth will set you free. We were preserved, I believe. God is not done with us.

That was a miracle, that Donald Trump was elected.

That was a miracle that he lived to see the election.

God did what we could not do.

Now, he is demanding that we do our part. And that is to ensure lies and corruption are not buried.

But that we demand equal justice. I don't care who you are, where you work, what label you have, what party you belong to.

This must end!

Why the Spending Bill Fight is PROOF that DOGE is Working

Is the Republican Party’s “unity” collapsing? The legacy media insists that Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and Rep. Chip Roy are tearing each other apart over the continuing resolution spending bill. But Glenn and fellow BlazeTV host ‪@lizwheeler‬ argue that this isn’t the truth: “How lucky are we that 2 months ago, we were debating ‘good vs evil.’ And now, we’re debating ‘good vs better.’ It also shows you that the DOGE process is working.” Glenn and Liz break down what’s happening with the spending bill debate and why Republicans are disagreeing over the debt ceiling.

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GLENN: I want to talk about the collapse of the unity. Can you give this story, to me, Liz, without -- with just the details of everybody's arguing and hating on each other.

LIZ: Yes. It is, of course.

If you listen to the mainstream media. It's a circling firing squad. Between Chip Roy. Donald Trump, and Elon Musk.

I don't view it that way at all.

I actually like to see this kind of contention within the Republican ranks. Because how lucky are we, that two months ago, we were debating good versus evil.

And now we're debating good versus better. This is a wonderful thing.

It also shows you, that the DOGE process is -- is working.

Elon Musk said, listen. Go ahead.

STU: Okay. So before we get there, explain.

Because I was on a plane yesterday. So I must see the bill, that was presented.

And I get off the plane, and everybody is hating on each other. Like, wait a minute. Wait a minute.

What just happened. Mike Johnson proposed his bill on Wednesday. And that went to hell in a handbasket.

Thank God we got rid of that!

That would have been a nightmare. Then they proposed a second bill.

And it increased the debt ceiling. Which has to be done by June or July of this year.

Increased it by $5 trillion. And all of the conservatives. And, quite frankly, conservatives like me.

And I think you, that have been for stop raising the at the time ceiling. Let's get out of debt.

We started having this debate about the debt. The debt ceiling has got to be -- has got to go up, unfortunately, in -- at this time.

Well, let me finish the -- what actually happened first, before we get into that.

So people like Chip Roy stood up and Donald Trump had endorsed this. They say it was a clear CR. But if I'm not mistaken, wasn't there some other stuff in there? Like protection for the January 6ers?

Was that left in, or was that taken out?

Do you know, Jill? Liz. Sorry.

LIZ: It was mostly clean. The objectionable parts you raised your voice against last couple of days, the reauthorization of the global engagement center, the vaccine passports. That kind of garbage was taken out.

It did increase the debt ceiling. Technically, I think it was the extension of the already increases -- automatic increases.

And I understand in principle. Most of us don't want to increase the debt ceiling.

However, however, it became an argument last night, about that specifically.

Which distracts from what I think is the bigger pictures.

The bigger picture being for a long time in Washington, DC, and Congress. The people who have said they were fiscally conservative. Haven't been effective in making that happen or making cuts.

What Donald Trump did, is he hired what he considered to be the most brilliant man in our country to say, retool this process and do it better.

Elon Musk came in. With DOGE. And said, what we're going to do is be transparent with you.

We will tell you exactly what your tax money is being spent on.

Then we will leave it to you, to lobby your congressional members to cut that.

And, Glenn, that's exactly what happened this time.

We looked at that 1500-page bill that Speaker Johnson had put forward.

We identified five or six things in that bill. Said no. And effectively, we were victorious.
We got that bill killed. Which is, I think very exciting.

GLENN: Right.

LIZ: And then we had this clean version. And then that's when --

GLENN: Yeah. That's -- because -- because there are -- and I am one of them.

They have been so tired of, oh. We're going to raise the debt.

But then we're going to cut. I don't believe anybody in Washington.

However, I do believe Donald Trump. I do believe Elon Musk. I do believe Vivek Ramaswamy.

I do believe just for survival reasons alone, Donald Trump has got to take a hatchet to the size of this government.

Okay?

So let's just look at it from I will be killed. Or I will be thwarted, by this giant government.

And I've got to reduce the size, so it doesn't have octopus arms everywhere, trying to choke me out.

So I believe that he wants to cut the size of government, and I believe he has a plan to do it.

I believe that Elon Musk is a guy. I mean, Donald Trump got famous for saying, you're fired.

Elon Musk is famous for actually firing people.

And cutting all of the nonessential.

So those two together. Have reasons.

One is, hey. This just needs to run like a sound operation.

And the other one is that, plus, oh, and it's trying to kill me.

So I believe they're incentivized unlike anyone else in my lifetime, to cut the size of the government.

Donald Trump, to me, and I love Chip Roy.

I love him. I hope he replaces John Cornyn. I love him.

However, at this point, I believe Donald Trump should be given the benefit of the doubt, for this reason.

He's got to do. If he wants to fix America, and make it truly great. He can't do what the Democrats have done.

And that is just, start spending money like arise. And pushing money out the door. He's got to return the money to you.

So he has to have these tax cuts. And he has to have them right now.

When he walks through the door, he has to have them.

So you're going to have this period, where you're flipping the entire company of the United States the government, upside down.

You're in a transition period. And so we're going to need to spend more, as we cut more.

But you can't -- you cannot shut off the debt. We're a trillion dollars. Every 100 -- I'm sorry. Not a trillion.

Yeah. A trillion dollars, every 100 days.

A trillion, every 100 days!

We're a trillion dollars a year, just in interest now.

You can't -- 5 trillion is not a lot, when you're playing with these numbers.

It's obscene to even say that!

We have to cut trillions out.

But Donald Trump to be able to pull this off, he has got to make people's lives better, quickly.

And the two ways to do it, is to first return money to the people, ask. Then to make it actually last, cut all of the regulation. And all of the size of the government.

That one, we don't want to be fighting two battles. We want to fight one battle.

And in my opinion, Donald Trump has shown me, he's willing to take a bullet for the Constitution and the United States and for us.

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, coupled with Elon Musk, because I believe their intentions are aligned with my intentions and desires.

Does that make sense?

LIZ: Yeah. I think that's right. Like I said, it's a funny situation. Because they're both right. Chip Roy is correct in principle that we should cut spending. And Donald Trump and Elon Musk are correct in practice.

GLENN: It's timing. It's just time.

LIZ: It is timing. They actually are both going to achieve -- or they hope to achieve the same thing.

I concur with your analysis. I have hope that Donald Trump is -- I mean, he's a changed man.
We've all seen this, since he took a bullet to the ear.

He's viewing his own world differently. He's viewing his duty to us, differently.

He's viewing his stewardship of our country, differently. He is doing something groundbreaking.

He is upending, disrupting the process this Congress, that has been business as usual.

And it can be messy. And maybe not everyone in Congress, even if they're principally correct, has quite grasped. Oh, this is the new way, we will do things.

I think Donald Trump has this right.

STU: Yeah. I do too. And I think the Republicans -- the fiscally responsible Republicans.

And it could turn out, you're right and I'm wrong.

But I really, truly believe disruption is where we're going.

And this -- this did disrupt.

And if we don't all stand together, they will disrupt us.

And I am not one to believe that the spending is going to magically go down.

I don't believe that. But if you were a family, and you were a business, and you were running debt, and you just didn't want -- you didn't know what to do. How do I stop the hemorrhaging?

Who in the world would be the best adviser that you could get?

Who in the world could you say, I need somebody to look at all these finances. Figure out what's what.

And how to cut. And how to make my business stronger.

I can't imagine anyone better than Elon Musk. So let's listen to Elon and Donald Trump. And, by the way, if anybody thinks Elon is taking over. Did you read how the tweets are coming out?

He went to Donald Trump. Trump and the vice president were working together, on a statement.

And Elon came in and said, hey. I want to release this.

Is it okay if I release this?

And Donald Trump read it, and said, yeah. Go for it.

That's where we are. Go for it.

So Elon is not leading the president.

Believe me, the president has a plan.

Let's give him all the opportunities we can, to let him execute it.

Because we've all come up with other plans. And none of them have worked.

This one has as many of the best minds in the world on it.

Let's let them do their job.

THE GLENN BECK PODCAST

The Gen Z ‘King’ Keeping Georgia Boys Off the Streets | The Glenn Beck Podcast | Ep 239

“I hated white people,” says King Randall, founder of the X for Boys in Albany, Georgia. Now, Randall has totally changed his mind and is rejecting victimhood and the mainstream narratives surrounding race in America. After the 2016 election, it seemed to him like the “world was about to end,” but this election season, Randall made waves after Elon Musk shared Randall’s viral video detailing the hate he received from Democrats after posting a video claiming he is voting for Trump. “You may not be worried about politics,” Randall says. “But politics is worried about you.” That is why Randall is on a mission, not to “fix the world” but to “fix Albany, Georgia” — his hometown. Inspired by the book of Genesis, King sees himself as a partner with God in the good work of “making men” out of the boys in his community. He reveals to Glenn what he thinks is “actual white supremacy” and how the Twitter Files exposed how technocrats “effectively control everyone’s minds.” With injustices like slavery and Jim Crow, Randall knows his “ancestors went through hell,” but now it’s his generation's turn to step up, because the civil rights leaders “didn’t train replacements.” The pair discuss faith and the apostle Paul “going gangsta,” before Glenn shares his thoughts that Gen Z just may be the “hero generation.”