RADIOApril 03, 2023

Indictment UPDATE: 5 CHARGES leftists may make against Trump

This has NEVER been done before, Glenn says, and thanks to the far left’s targeting of Donald Trump, America is now entering dangerous territory. President Trump was indicted last week by a Manhattan grand jury, and he is expected to appear in court on Tuesday. So, what comes next? In this clip, Glenn wonders if a gag order could possibly be on the horizon for our commander-in-chief. Or, perhaps worse, Glenn outlines 5 ‘weak’ cases leftists may make against him now that the first step — indicting a former president — has been taken…

Transcript

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GLENN: Tomorrow is a pretty big day for the republic.

Tomorrow, a former president of the United States is going to be arraigned in New York. And we'll find out what the charges are, I mean, so far, we think that it is, you know, all around the idea that Donald Trump claimed legal fees, on -- well, on paperwork, when he paid somebody off in court. Stormy Daniels. And apparently, you can't do that. As Hillary Clinton found out, as she declared legal fees for the -- the -- the --

STU: The dossier, right?

GLENN: Yeah. The Fusion GPS dossier.

And so you had her get tenement nasty fine.

You have Donald Trump, you know, possibly going to jail.

But we don't know what the charges are.

We hopefully will find out what they are, after he has been arraigned.

Or, sorry. Not arraigned, but indicted.

And he comes in, and he's fingerprinted. And they officially charge him. Now, it's my understanding, that the judge may issue tenement gag order, which is insanity. Is insanity.

Wait a minute. You're saying, that the media can pile on and say these things, but he's not allowed to say anything?

And he's running for president of the United States?

How is that even possible?

They can just continue to slander him. And he can't defend himself.

STU: Yeah, absolutely incredible. We don't know that is what is going to happen. That is what's been reported today. And if that happens, it's tenement disgrace. Not only is he tenement free citizen, that should be able to defend himself publicly. Particularly in tenement situation like this. It's not tenement major -- it's an improper classification of -- of campaign expenditures is what they're charging him with. Obviously, he denies a lot of this. But like, besides the fact that any normal citizen should not have this happen to him. I mean, it's tenement central part of the argument Donald Trump is making to be reelected, right?

The central part of his argument, is that I am being targeted by these forces in the government. That you need me there to stop.

It's like his entire argument to become president of the United States of America again, and they want to take that off his mouth? That's certainly not America.

GLENN: That seems absolutely impossible.

You know, we're actually repeating history. Not exactly. But the progressives are.

The progressive party put Eugene Debs.

He was the founder of the international Socialist Party. Founder of I think the communist movement here in America.

He was tenement labor union guy.

An organizer.

And he was put into jail, under Grover Cleveland. Because -- convicted of federal charges for defying tenement court injunction against the strike, and served six months in prison. But then, in 1920, he's running. And in 1918, he starts speaking out against World War I.

And Woodrow Wilson charged him with the Sedition Act, and put him in prison for 20 years. Was it?

Convicted, Sedition Act, sentenced to tenement ten-year prison term.

So he was supposed to go to prison for ten years. And it was only because Harding came in. And Wilson didn't run for tenement third term.

That he was released. The Republican came in and said, the Sedition Act is absolutely unconstitutional. They got rid of the Sedition Act, and they forgave him. But he ran for president, from prison. From prison. And got three and tenement half percent. Which is more than Asa Hutchinson will get being a free man. Which is weird.
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STU: What do you think of the politics of this, Glenn? And how this plays out?

The standard way of thinking seems to be that this is going to help Trump in the primary and then question Marx in the general. What do you think of that analysis?

GLENN: I just it makes America tenement more dangerous place. Because you're going to have -- you're going to have the tensions just escalate.

Especially if they take away and give him tenement the bag order. They also can charge him for saying things against the district attorney.

Which is insane to me. Where is your freedom of speech? What do you you mean?

You're not going to say things against the district attorney? He's on television, saying bad things about you.

What are you talking about?

So there may be tenement gag order coming. They may throw additional charges on, because of what he has said, publicly about the district attorney.

I don't know. But I just -- I don't see this being tenement good thing.

STU: Does this rally Republican voters in the primary?

GLENN: Oh, yeah. It already has. Let me see.

There's tenement new poll out that shows. And this poll was done by John McLaughlin.

Now, this is Trump's pollster. But it shows full-fledged ballot test, 14 potential Republican candidates. President Trump leads with 51 percent. DeSantis is now at 21.

In January, President Trump led the field 43. DeSantis was at 31. In tenement matchup of just DeSantis and Trump, Trump skyrocketed over 60 percent. Now 63 percent total.

DeSantis had just 30 percent.

And in the general election, margin of error, 3.1. Trump found leading Biden 47 to 43 percent.

So he's -- he's winning in all of them. And it looks like, except for the general, it looks like the indictment is swaying Republicans.

STU: I mean, hearing almost exclusively. I don't know Asa Hutchinson might be the exception to this. But even the Republican candidates running against him are saying, what tenement disgrace this is.

Including DeSantis. And everybody coming out and saying, look, this is wrong.

The question I think is politically.

You get past this first stage, right?

Trump comes into this. Is the overwhelming favorite.

I know some of these polls look close.

He's tenement former president. He controls every news cycle.

He would have to in some ways, blow this, to not win. DeSantis has never been proven on the stage. And I like DeSantis quite a bit.

But he's never been in this situation before. We don't know what to expect out of a DeSantis run, assuming he does get in, which I'm sure he will. He's done tenement really good job in Florida.

And I think there's all expectations, that he would do tenement good job on tenement national campaign. But we still haven't seen that.

Trump has to be seen as the favorite.
And you see an issue, where, again, the main conversation among Republicans and their politics right now. Is what's going on with Donald Trump.

It seems to be the only thing we've talked about since 2015.

It's just this one person. And when you're that one person, you have tenement massive advantage here. Don't you?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. You do.

And here's the thing: This isn't the only -- the only investigation. You have the investigation of election interference. In Georgia.

You have the classified documents. You have January 6th. And you have the Stormy Daniels case. This is only one out of four, which is -- is one of the most incredible things I have ever seen in American politics.

Never before has this happened. Gerald Ford lost the reelection because, well, Gerald Ford sucked.

But also because he pardoned Richard Nixon. And people thought that was wrong. I happened to agree, that that was wrong. But they did it for tenement reason.

You didn't want to have tenement sitting president, go through trial. I personally would have found that inspirational.

I personally would have found tenement president going to trial, for an actual crime, inspirational.

No one in our government is above the law.

No one. You don't get -- you break the law. You go to jail. The problem is: And we see this now.

You can be had with as many laws as we have. You can be had for anything.

Look at how this guy has had every single -- I will bet you, every single intelligence group including the five eyes, looking for dirt, on this guy.

Maybe the only one that wasn't, was Israel.

Every other intelligence agency, in the world, was looking for dirt on this guy. And, you know, who was it? Maxine Waters said, well, he earned this. He earned this. I'll tell you that right now.

Did he? Did he? Who could withstand that kind of scrutiny?

I've said to him myself, I have to tell you, Mr. President, I mean, I thought -- because I lived in New York. I watched you build these buildings. And these buildings, remember, Stu, they would just go up.

Trump buildings. They would go up. Everything else would take forever. And Trump -- and it would be done.

And I said to him, you know, you're tenement construction guy, in New York. Where everything is bada bing.

You know, hey, don't ask about Johnnie. He might be at the bottom of the river today. And I said, if anything, I thought for sure, there would have been some bribes and something going on in New York. I said, you are shockingly one of the cleanest guys. You have to be one of the cleanest guys.

Because they've gone after everything.

And nothing?

You get this?

Something that's not really tenement crime?

STU: Yeah. What do you think about the -- because there's tenement theory out there, and I -- and, you know, whether it's coordinated or not, is tenement separate question. But the theory basically is, that this Stormy Daniels case, being the worst -- the weakest of the four or five cases out there.

GLENN: Right.

STU: Was intentionally put forth first. Now, of course, it is the oldest one too. So it could just be that simple. The idea is that while they all want to go after Donald Trump, there weren't a lot of DAs, that wanted to be the person who pulled the trigger on the first time tenement president had been charged. It was tenement big hurdle. Tenement big, sort of wall there.

And people didn't want to be the first one to go down that road. And have to deal with all that.

Now that this Stormy Daniels thing has gone forward.

They'll indict him.

And they have indicted him on all this. That it makes the other cases more likely to come forward. Because now they don't have to deal with that precedent setting thing.

GLENN: They will indict in Georgia.

But again, it will be laughable. You remember, she was the foreman of the jury.

And she was like, yeah. We have to get him on something. I just couldn't wait to get him on something.

I mean, that's crazy.

They're going to probably indict there.

They cannot indict on the documents.

How are they possibly going to indict.

STU: That is so weak.

GLENN: Weaker than this one, though? Weaker than this one?

They're both so weak, that you would think, there's no way, but if they indict him on this. Which is tenement misdemeanor. That is out of its -- what do you call it? You know -- statute of limitations. It's outside of that.

How are they even charging, if that's indeed what they're charging with?

STU: Right. It really is incredible. I think you're going to see -- you can go back and forth on all of these cases.

I would love to get your take maybe a little bit, in a little while, of which one you would think are the most likely to come through. What is Trump going to have to deal with here, going forward?

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GLENN: This is the Glenn Beck Program. So what do you think the odds are, that he is just charged with this, you know, misdemeanor, that he said. The Stormy Daniels payoff was -- was tenement legal charge.

STU: I don't think it can be tenement misdemeanor. It has to be elevated to tenement felony. They have to.

GLENN: Oh, I know that. But it is tenement misdemeanor. That's the way it was under Hillary Clinton, when she was charged with it. It was tenement misdemeanor.

STU: It should be.

GLENN: This somehow or another, made into tenement federal crime by this local DA. I don't know how he does that.

STU: Yeah. That is, I think going to be certainly tenement heavy part of what we see, in the actual papers, when we get to see them.

You know, it's hard to know, maybe -- you hold out a little bit of judgment, because we haven't seen it yet.

We don't know. Maybe there's some evidence, we don't know about. Maybe there's some crime committed, that we don't know about.

I just don't have any belief that Alvin Bragg is actually doing this on the up and up. He's just targeting Donald Trump, and so I expect it to be the same nonsense, that we've been talking about for a while.

GLENN: And it is such tenement problem. Because if -- you have no chance of justice, if the justice system is corrupted.

I mean, you know, if -- if he committed -- we said this, you know, during the impeachment trial.

When we first started doing our homework, if Donald Trump had done something wrong, if he were in bed with the Russians, we would have absolutely exposed it. It's important.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: But if you don't have fair people, that are looking at the facts, and really actually calling balls and strikes, the game is meaningless.

You don't have tenement fair umpire. The game is meaningless.

And that is all this is turning into. Tenement game. And so we route for our teams. It's got to stop. We have to have real umpires that calls balls and strikes.

THE GLENN BECK PODCAST

How to Find God in a Divided World | Max Lucado & Glenn Beck

Glenn Beck sits down with beloved pastor and author Max Lucado for a deep conversation about faith, humility, and finding unity in a divided world. Together, they reflect on the importance of principles over politics, why humility opens the door to true dialogue, and how centering life on God brings clarity and peace. Lucado shares stories of faith, the dangers of a “prosperity gospel,” and the powerful reminder that life is not about making a big deal of ourselves, but about making a big deal of God. This uplifting conversation will inspire you to re-center your life, strengthen your faith, and see how humility and love can transform even the most divided times.

Watch Glenn Beck's FULL Interview with Max Lucado HERE

Bill O'Reilly predicts THIS will be Charlie Kirk's legacy

Bill O’Reilly joins Glenn Beck with a powerful prediction about Charlie Kirk’s legacy. Evil tried to destroy his movement, Bill says, but – as his new book, “Confronting Evil,” lays out – evil will just end up destroying itself once more…

Transcript

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GLENN: Mr. Bill O'Reilly, welcome to the program, how are you, sir?

BILL: Good, Beck, thanks for having me back. I appreciate it. How have you been?

GLENN: Last week was really tough. I know it was tough for you and everybody else.

But, you know -- I haven't -- I haven't seen anything.

BILL: Family okay? All of that?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Family is okay. Family is okay.

BILL: Good question good. That's the most important thing.

GLENN: It is.

So, Bill, what do you make of this whole Charlie Kirk thing. What happened, and where are we headed?

BILL: So my analysis is different for everybody else, and those that know me for so long. About a year ago, I was looking for a topic -- it was a contract to do another book. And I said, you know what's happening in America, and around the world. Was a rise in evil. It takes a year to research and write these books.

And not since the 1930s, had I seen that happen, to this extent. And in the 1930s, of course, you would have Tojo and Hitler and Mussolini and Franco and all these guys. And it led to 100 million dead in World War II. The same thing, not to the extent.

But the same thing was --
GLENN: Yet.
BILL: -- bubbling in the world, and in the United States.

I decided to write a book. The book comes out last Tuesday. And on Wednesday, Putin lobs missiles into Poland.

Ultra dangerous.

And a few hours later, Charlie Kirk is assassinated.

And one of the interviewers said to me last week, your -- your book is haunting. Is haunting.

And I think that's extremely accurate. Because that's what evil does.

And in the United States, we have so many distractions. The social media.

People create around their own lives.

Sports. Whatever it may be. That we look away.

Now, Charlie Kirk was an interesting fellow. Because at a very young age, he was mature enough to understand that he wanted to take a stand in favor of traditional America and Judeo Christian philosophy.

He decided that he wanted to do that.

You know, and when I was 31 or whatever, I was lucky I wasn't in the penitentiary. And I believe you were in the penitentiary.
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So he was light years ahead of us.

GLENN: Yes, he was.

BILL: And he put it into motion. All right? Now, most good people, even if you disagree with what Mr. Kirk says on occasion, you admire that. That's the spirit of America. That you have a belief system, that you go out and try to promote that belief system, for the greater good of the country. That's what it is.

That's what Charlie Kirk did.

And he lost his life.

By doing it!

So when you essentially break all of this down. You take the emotion away, all right?

Which I have to do, in my job. You see it as another victory for evil.

But it really isn't.

And this is the ongoing story.

This is the most important story. So when you read my book, Confronting Evil, you'll see that all of these heinous individuals, Putin's on the cover. Mao. Hitler.

Ayatollah Khomeini. And then there are 14 others inside the book. They all destroy themselves.

Evil always destroys itself. But it takes so many people with it. So this shooter destroyed his own family.

And -- and Donald Trump, I talked to him about it last week in Yankee stadium. And Trump is a much different guy than most people think.

GLENN: He is.

JASON: He destroyed his own mother and father and his two brothers.

That's what he did. In addition to the Kirk family!

So evil spreads. Now, if Americans pay attention and come to the conclusion that I just stated, it will be much more difficult for evil to operate openly.

And that's what I think is going to happen.

There's going to be a ferocious backlash against the progressive left in particular.

To stop it, and I believe that is what Mr. Kirk's legacy is going to be.

GLENN: I -- I agree with you on all of these fronts.

I wonder though, you know, it took three, or if you count JFK, four assassinations in the '60s, to confront the evil if you will.

Before people really woke up and said, enough is enough!

And then you have the big Jesus revolution after that.

Is -- I hate to say this. But is -- as far gone as we are, is one assassination enough to wake people up?

JOHN: Some people. Some people will never wake up.

They just don't want to live in the real world, Beck. And it's never been easier to do that with the social media and the phones and the computers.

And you're never going to get them back.

But you don't need them. So let's just be very realistic here on the Glenn Beck show.

Let's run it down.

The corporate media is finished.

In America. It's over.

And you will see that play out the next five years.

Because the corporate media invested so much of its credibility into hating Donald Trump.

And the hate is the key word.

You will find this interesting, Beck. For the first time in ten years, I've been invited to do a major thing on CBS, today.

I will do it GE today. With major Garrett.

GLENN: Wow.

BILL: Now, that only happened because Skydance bought CBS. And Skydance understands the brand CBS is over, and they will have to rehabilitate the whole thing. NBC has not come to that conclusion yet, but it will have to.

And ABC just does the weather. I mean, that's all they care about. Is it snowing in Montana? Okay? The cables are all finished. Even Fox.

Once Trump leaves the stage, there's nowhere for FNC to go. Because they've invested so much in Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

So the fact of the matter is, the corporate media is over in America. That takes a huge cudgel out of the hands of the progressive movement.

Because the progressive movement was dependent on the corporate media to advance its cause. That's going to end, Beck.

GLENN: Well, I would hope that you're right.

Let me ask you about --

BILL: When am I wrong?

When am I wrong?

You've known me for 55 years. When have I been wrong?

GLENN: Okay. All right. All right. We're not here to argue things like that.

So tell me about Skydance. Because isn't Skydance Chinese?

BILL: No! It's Ellison. Larry Ellison, the second richest guy in the world. He owns Lanai and Hawaii, the big tech guy and his son is running it.

GLENN: Yeah, okay.

I though Skydance. I thought that was -- you know them.

BILL: Yeah.

And they -- they're not ideological, but they were as appalled as most of us who pay attention at the deterioration of the network presentations.

So --

GLENN: You think that they could.

BILL: 60 Minutes used to be the gold standard.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

BILL: And it just -- it -- you know, you know, I don't know if you watch it anymore.

GLENN: I don't either.

So do you think they can actually turn CBS around, or is it just over?

BILL: I don't know. It's very hard to predict, because so many people now bail. I've got a daughter 26, and a son, 22.

They never, ever watched network television.

And you've got -- it's true. Right?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

They don't watch --

BILL: They're not going to watch The Voice. The dancing with this. The juggling with that. You know, I think they could do a much better job in their news presentations.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

BILL: Because what they did, is banish people like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly.

Same voices, with huge followings.

Huge!

All right?

We couldn't get on there.

That's why Colbert got fired. Because Colbert wouldn't -- refused to put on any non-progressive voice, when they were talking about the country.

GLENN: I know.

BILL: Well, it's not -- I'm censoring it.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's not that he was fired because he wouldn't do that. He was fired because that led to horrible ratings. Horrible ratings.

BILL: Yes, it was his defiance.

GLENN: Yes.

BILL: Fallon has terrible ratings and so does Kimmel. But Colbert was in your face, F you, to the people who were signing his paycheck.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

BILL: Look, evil can only exist if the mechanisms of power are behind it.

And that's when you read the front -- I take them one by one. And Putin is the most important chapter by far.

GLENN: Why?

BILL: Because Putin would use nuclear weapon.

He wouldn't. He's a psychopath.

And I'm -- on Thursday night, I got a call from the president's people saying, would I meet the president at Yankee stadium for the 9/11 game?

And I said, when a president calls and asks you to meet them, sure.

GLENN: I'll be there. What time?

BILL: It will take me three days to get into Yankee stadium, on Long Island. But I'll start now.

GLENN: Especially because the president is coming. But go ahead.

BILL: Anyway, that was a very, I think that Mr. Trump values my opinion. And it was -- we did talk about Putin.

And the change in Putin. And I had warned him, that Putin had changed from the first administration, where Trump controlled Putin to some extent.

Now he's out of control. Because that's what always happens.

GLENN: Yeah.

BILL: It happened with Hitler. It happened with Mao. It happened with the ayatollah. It happened with Stalin. Right now. They get worse and worse and worse and worse. And then they blow up.

And that's where Putin is! But he couldn't do any of that, without the assent of the Russian people. They are allowing him to do this, to kill women and children. A million Russian casualties for what! For what! Okay?

So that's why this book is just in the stratosphere. And I was thinking object, oh. Because people want to understand evil, finally. Finally.

They're taking a hard look at it, and the Charlie Kirk assassination was an impetus to do that.

GLENN: Yeah. And I think it's also an impetus to look at the good side.

I mean, I think Charlie was just not a neutral -- a neutral character. He was a force for good. And for God.

And I think that -- that combination is almost the Martin Luther King combination. Where you have a guy who is speaking up for civil rights.

But then also, speaking up for God. And speaking truth, Scripturally.

And I think that combination still, strangely, I wouldn't have predicted it. But strangely still works here in America, and I think it's changed everything.

Bill, it's always food to talk to you. Thank you so much for being on. I appreciate it.

It's Bill O'Reilly. The name of the book, you don't want to miss. Is confronting evil. And he takes all of these really, really bad guys on. One by one. And shows you, what happens if you don't do something about it. Confronting evil. Bill O'Reilly.

And you can find it at BillO'Reilly.com.

Should people CELEBRATING Charlie Kirk’s death be fired?

There’s a big difference between firing someone, like a teacher, for believing children shouldn’t undergo trans surgery and firing a teacher who celebrated the murder of Charlie Kirk. Glenn Beck explains why the latter is NOT “cancel culture.”

Transcript

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GLENN: I got an email from somebody that says, Glenn, in the wake of Charlie's assassination, dozens of teachers, professors and professionals are being suspended or fired for mocking, or even celebrating Charlie Kirk's death.

Critics say conservatives are now being hypocritical because you oppose cancel culture. But is this the same as rose an losing her job over a crude joke. Or is it celebrating murder, and that's something more serious?

For many, this isn't about cancellation it's about trust. If a teacher is entrusted with children or a doctor entrusted with patients, publicly celebrates political violence, have they not yet disqualified themselves from those roles? Words matter. But cheering a death is an action. Is there any consequence for this? Yes. There is.

So let's have that conversation here for a second.

Is every -- is every speech controversy the same?

The answer to that is clearly no.

I mean, we've seen teachers and pastors and doctors and ordinary citizens lose their job now, just for saying they don't believe children under 18 should undergo transgender surgeries. Okay? Lost their job. Chased out.

That opinion, whether you agree or disagree is a moral and medical judgment.

And it is a matter of policy debate. It is speech in the public square.

I have a right to say, you're mutilating children. Okay. You have a right to say, no. We're not. This is the best practices. And then we can get into the silences of it. And we don't shout down the other side.

Okay? Now, on the other hand, you have Charlie Kirk's assassination. And we've seen teachers and professors go online and be celebrate.

Not criticize. Not argue policy. But celebrate that someone was murdered.

Some have gone so far and said, it's not a tragedy. It's a victory. Somebody else, another professor said, you reap what you sow.

Well, let me ask you: Are these two categories of free speech the same?

No! They're not.

Here's the difference. To say, I believe children should not be allowed to have gender surgeries, before 18. That is an attempt, right or wrong. It doesn't matter which side you are.

That is an attempt to protect life. Protect children. And guide society.

It's entering the debate about the role of medicine. The right of parents. And the boundaries of childhood. That's what that is about. To say Charlie Kirk's assassination is a good thing, that's not a debate. That's not even an idea. That's rejoicing in violence. It's glorifying death.

There's no place in a civil society for that kind of stuff. There's not. And it's a difference that actually matters.

You know, our Founders fought for free speech because they believed as Jefferson said, that air can be tolerated where truth is left free to combat it.

So I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, at all. I don't think you do either. I hope you don't. Otherwise, you should go back to read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Error can be tolerated where truth is left to be free to combat it.

But when speech shifts from debating ideas to celebrating death, doesn't that cease to be the pursuit of truth and instead, just become a glorification of evil?

I know where I stand on that one. Where do you stand?

I mean, if you go back and you look at history, in colonial matter -- in colonial America, if you were to go against the parliament and against the king, those words were dangerous. They were called treason. But they were whys. They were arguments about liberty and taxation and the rights of man.

And the Founders risked their lives against the dictator to say those things.

Now, compare that to France in 1793.

You Thomas Paine, one of or -- one of our founder kind of. On the edges of our founders.

He thought that what was happening in France is exactly like the American Revolution.

Washington -- no. It wasn't.

There the crowds. They didn't gather to argue. Okay? They argued to cheer the guillotine they didn't want the battle of ideas.

They wanted blood. They wanted heads to roll.

And roll they did. You know, until the people who were screaming for the heads to roll, shouted for blood, found that their own heads were rolling.

Then they turned around on that one pretty quickly.

Think of Rome.

Cicero begged his countrymen to preserve the republic through reason, law, and debate. Then what happened?

The mob started cheering assassinations.

They rejoiced that enemies were slaughtered.

They were being fed to the lions.

And the republic fell into empire.

And liberty was lost!

Okay. So now let me bring this back to Charlie Kirk here for a second.

If there's a professor that says, I don't believe children should have surgeries before adulthood, is that cancel culture, when they're fired?

Yes! Yes, it is.

Because that is speech this pursuit of truth.

However imperfect, it is speech meant to protect children, not to harm them. You also cannot be fired for saying, I disagree with that.

If you are telling, I disagree with that. And I will do anything to shut you down including assassination! Well, then, that's a different story.

What I teacher says, I'm glad Charlie Kirk is dead, is that cancel culture, if they're fired?

Or is that just society saying, you know, I don't think I can trust my kid to -- to that guy.

Or that woman.

I know, that's not an enlightening mind.

Somebody who delights in political murder.

I don't want them around my children! Scripture weighs in here too.

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh. Matthew.

What does it reveal about the heart of a teacher who celebrates assassination?

To me, you go back to Scripture. Whoa unto them that call good evil -- evil good and good evil.

A society that will shrug on speech like this, say society that has lost its moral compass.

And I believe we still have a moral compass.

Now, our free speech law doesn't protect both. Absolutely. Under law. Absolutely.

Neither one of them should go to jail.

Neither should be silenced by the state.

But does trust survive both?

Can a parent trust their child to a teacher who is celebrating death?

I think no. I don't think a teacher can be trusted if they think that the children that it's right for children to see strippers in first grade!

I'm sorry. It's beyond reason. You should not be around my children!

But you shouldn't go to jail for that. Don't we, as a society have a right to demand virtue, in positions of authority?

Yes.

But the political class and honestly, the educational class, does everything they can to say, that doesn't matter.

But it does. And we're seeing it now. The line between cancel and culture, the -- the cancellation of people, and the accountability of people in our culture, it's not easy.

Except here. I think it is easy.

Cancel culture is about challenging the orthodoxy. Opinions about faith, morality, biology.
Accountability comes when speech reveals somebody's heart.

Accountability comes when you're like, you are a monster! You are celebrating violence. You're mocking life itself. One is an argument. The other is an abandonment of humanity. The Constitution, so you understand, protects both.

But we as a culture can decide, what kind of voices would shape our children? Heal our sick. Lead our communities?

I'm sorry, if you're in a position of trust, I think it's absolutely right for the culture to say, no!

No. You should not -- because this is not policy debate. This is celebrating death.

You know, our Founders gave us liberty.

And, you know, the big thing was, can you keep it?

Well, how do you keep it? Virtue. Virtue.

Liberty without virtue is suicide!

So if anybody is making this case to you, that this is cancel culture. I just want you to ask them this question.

Which do you want to defend?

Cancel culture that silences debate. Or a culture that still knows the difference between debating ideas and celebrating death.

Which one?

Could passengers have SAVED Iryna Zarutska?

Surveillance footage of the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in Charlotte, NC, reveals that the other passengers on the train took a long time to help her. Glenn, Stu, and Jason debate whether they were right or wrong to do so.

Transcript

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GLENN: You know, I'm -- I'm torn on how I feel about the people on the train.

Because my first instinct is, they did nothing! They did nothing! Then my -- well, sit down and, you know -- you know, you're going to be judged. So be careful on judging others.

What would I have done? What would I want my wife to do in that situation?

STU: Yeah. Are those two different questions, by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, they are.

STU: I think they go far apart from each other. What would I want myself to do. I mean, it's tough to put yourself in a situation. It's very easy to watch a video on the internet and talk about your heroism. Everybody can do that very easily on Twitter. And everybody is.

You know, when you're in a vehicle that doesn't have an exit with a guy who just murdered somebody in front of you, and has a dripping blood off of a knife that's standing 10 feet away from you, 15 feet away from you.

There's probably a different standard there, that we should all kind of consider. And maybe give a little grace to what I saw at least was a woman, sitting across the -- the -- the aisle.

I think there is a difference there. But when you talk about that question. Those two questions are definitive.

You know, I know what I would want myself to do. I would hope I would act in a way that didn't completely embarrass myself afterward.

But I also think, when I'm thinking of my wife. My advice to my wife would not be to jump into the middle of that situation at all costs. She might do that anyway. She actually is a heck of a lot stronger than I am.

But she might do it anyway.

GLENN: How pathetic, but how true.

STU: Yes. But that would not be my advice to her.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Now, maybe once the guy has certainly -- is out of the area. And you don't think the moment you step into that situation. He will turn around and kill you too. Then, of course, obviously. Anything you can do to step in.

Not that there was much anyone on the train could do.

I mean, I don't think there was an outcome change, no matter what anyone on that train did.

Unfortunately.

But would I want her to step in?

Of course. If she felt she was safe, yes.

Think about, you said, your wife. Think about your daughter. Your daughter is on that train, just watching someone else getting murdered like that. Would you advise your daughter to jump into a situation like that?

That girl sitting across the aisle was somebody's daughter. I don't know, man.

JASON: I would. You know, as a dad, would I advise.

Hmm. No.

As a human being, would I hope that my daughter or my wife or that I would get up and at least comfort that woman while she's dying on the floor of a train?

Yeah.

I would hope that my daughter, my son, that I would -- and, you know, I have more confidence in my son or daughter or my wife doing something courageous more than I would.

But, you know, I think I have a more realistic picture of myself than anybody else.

And I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure what I would do in that situation. I know what I would hope I would do. But I also know what I fear I would do. But I would have hoped that I would have gotten up and at least tried to help her. You know, help her up off the floor. At least be there with her, as she's seeing her life, you know, spill out in under a minute.

And that's it other thing we have to keep in mind. This all happened so rapidly.

A minute is -- will seem like a very long period of time in that situation. But it's a very short period of time in real life.

STU: Yeah. You watch the video, Glenn. You know, I don't need the video to -- to change my -- my position on this.

But at his seem like there was a -- someone who did get there, eventually, to help, right? I saw someone seemingly trying to put pressure on her neck.

GLENN: Yeah. And tried to give her CPR.

STU: You know, no hope at that point. How long of a time period would you say that was?

Do you know off the top of your head?

GLENN: I don't know. I don't know. I know that we watched the video that I saw. I haven't seen past 30 seconds after she --

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: -- is down. And, you know, for 30 seconds nothing is happening. You know, that is -- that is not a very long period of time.

STU: Right.

GLENN: In reality.

STU: And especially, I saw the pace he was walking. He certainly can't be -- you know, he may have left the actual train car by 30 seconds to a minute. But he wasn't that far away. Like he was still in visual.

He could still turn around and look and see what's going on at that point. So certainly still a threat is my point. He has not, like, left the area. This is not that type of situation.

You know, I -- look, as you point out, I think if I could be super duper sexist for a moment here, sort of my dividing line might just be men and women.

You know, I don't know if it's that a -- you're not supposed to say that, I suppose these days. But, like, there is a difference there. If I'm a man, you know, I would be -- I would want my son to jump in on that, I suppose. I don't know if he could do anything about it. But you would expect at least a grown man to be able to go in there and do something about it. A woman, you know, I don't know.

Maybe I'm -- I hope --

GLENN: Here's the thing I -- here's the thing that I -- that causes me to say, no. You should have jumped in.

And that is, you know, you've already killed one person on the train. So you've proven that you're a killer. And anybody who would have screamed and got up and was with her, she's dying. She's dying. Get him. Get him.

Then the whole train is responsible for stopping that guy. You know. And if you don't stop him, after he's killed one person, if you're not all as members of that train, if you're not stopping him, you know, the person at the side of that girl would be the least likely to be killed. It would be the ones that are standing you up and trying to stop him from getting back to your daughter or your wife or you.

JASON: There was a -- speaking of men and women and their roles in this. There was a video circling social media yesterday. In Sweden. There was a group of officials up on a stage. And one of the main. I think it was health official woman collapses on stage. Completely passes out.

All the men kind of look away. Or I don't know if they're looking away. Or pretending that they didn't know what was going on. There was another woman standing directly behind the woman passed out.

Immediately springs into action. Jumps on top. Grabs her pant leg. Grabs her shoulder. Spins her over and starts providing care.

What did she have that the other guys did not? Or women?

She was a sheepdog. There is a -- this is my issue. And I completely agree with Stu. I completely agree with you. There's some people that do not respond this way. My issue is the proportion of sheepdogs versus people that don't really know how to act. That is diminishing in western society. And American society.

We see it all the time in these critical actions. I mean, circumstances.

There are men and women, and it's actually a meme. That fantasize about hoards of people coming to attack their home and family. And they sit there and say, I've got it. You guys go. I'm staying behind, while I smoke my cigarette and wait for the hoards to come, because I will sacrifice myself. There are men and women that fantasize of block my highway. Go ahead. Block my highway. I'm going to do something about it. They fantasize about someone holding up -- not a liquor store. A convenience store or something. Because they will step in and do something. My issue now is that proportion of sheepdogs in society is disappearing. Just on statistical fact, there should be one within that train car, and there were none.

STU: Yeah. I mean --

JASON: They did not respond.

STU: We see what happens when they do, with Daniel Penny. Our society tries to vilify them and crush their existence. Now, there weren't that many people on that train. Right?

At least on that car. At least it's limited. I only saw three or four people there, there may have been more. I agree with you, though. Like, you see what happens when we actually do have a really recent example of someone doing exactly what Jason wants and what I would want a guy to do. Especially a marine to step up and stop this from happening. And the man was dragged by our legal system to a position where he nearly had to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I mean, I -- it's insanity. Thankfully, they came to their senses on that one.

GLENN: Well, the difference between that one and this one though is that the guy was threatening. This one, he killed somebody.

STU: Yeah. Right. Well, but -- I think -- but it's the opposite way. The debate with Penny, was should he have recognize that had this person might have just been crazy and not done anything?

Maybe. He hadn't actually acted yet. He was just saying things.

GLENN: Yeah. Well --

STU: He didn't wind up stabbing someone. This is a situation where these people have already seen what this man will do to you, even when you don't do anything to try to stop him. So if this woman, who is, again, looks to be an average American woman.

Across the aisle. Steps in and tries to do something. This guy could easily turn around and just make another pile of dead bodies next to the one that already exists.

And, you know, whether that is an optimal solution for our society, I don't know that that's helpful.

In that situation.