RADIOSeptember 20, 2022

Glenn: America MUST DO THIS BEFORE calling a Convention of States

While Glenn is still fully in support of our constitutional ability to hold a Convention of States, he explains why that he no longer thinks we should, at least not until until a few things happen first. Glenn and Stu debate whether Americans are ready to open up the Constitution — and truly surrender to God to fix our nation — or if a Convention would only be ruled by partisan politics...

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GLENN: Welcome back to Mr. Stu Burguiere.

GLENN: Yeah. I was on vacation last week. Trying to keep up with the news, as much as I could.

You know, there's a lot to miss. You know. Because before I went on vacation, the queen passed away. And then when I came back from vacation, she still -- she still is not in her casket, to be wheeled around the country. Which is a very strange, odd thing, that I don't think humans should do. That's a whole different story.

I also saw, apparently, you withdrew your support for the Convention of States?

GLENN: Yeah.

Do you realize -- well, because I didn't plan on saying it. I had been praying on it. And I wasn't planning on saying anything on that day. Just kind of -- I was prompted in the course of something else we were talking about.

STU: Because we've talked about this as a real solution, as one of the only ways to get the country back on track.

GLENN: I know. I know. I know.

STU: And now you're coming out.

Are you announcing you're a Russian asset, just like Donald Trump? After all this time? Is that what you're doing?

GLENN: Yes. Natasha, they've caught on to me. I've got to fly now.

STU: Yeah. No. I think this is -- as I said, I still fully support the Article V -- as -- as it is. I fully believe that that is something that we can do.

I do believe that's the last cord to rip. But I also am very, very concerned. This is not a -- a constitutional problem. This isn't a political problem.

This is a -- a soul problem.

Our country has gone off the rails.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And I happen to believe, that we are in the Third Great Awakening.

STU: The third grade awakening? Like we're all third graders now?

GLENN: No. Third Great Awakening.

STU: That's what it seems. Because I could go for either one of those versions.

GLENN: Yeah, third grade awakening. Where they wake you up. It's time for milk. That's good.

But, no. The third great awakening. I think we're in that. But, you know, the first and the second, both took about 50 years, to do. And the second one, ended in the Civil War.

So I -- you know, I think we are waking. We're at the beginning of that.

But this is something that people without humility, should not open up.

Now, this is -- what's weird is. And I have to make it clear.

The people who were doing the Convention of States, I love them. I think they're a great organization.

STU: Oh, yeah.

GLENN: I think they really have their heart in the right place, and I understand that they -- you know, what they're doing. I am a supporter of them.

But I can't personally endorse it now. Because I am worried, that we are not the people of character, to open that sacred document up.

STU: Oh, we're definitely not the people of character, to do anything.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

STU: We are a trash heap right now.

GLENN: So we have --

STU: But I thought -- we talked to them before, and I thought a lot of this was addressed in the structure of the convention. You know, it's been a while since we talked about it in tail. You know, Mark Levin wrote a book about this. You know, he's -- and I remember this -- because of these concerns came up at the time. Who are we going to have making these decisions? This could go awry very easily. And it did seem like, I thought that was a pretty compelling argument, that the structure of the convention would prevent that.

GLENN: So it's not just the structure of it as well.

I mean, are we prayerfully approaching this?

I mean, I just didn't get up one morning and go.

I've been thinking about it. And I prayed about it. And I could be wrong. I could be wrong.

Because I know the people who are out there, swinging for this. Are good, decent people. They're really good people.

STU: Oh, yeah.

GLENN: And, you know, David Barton, Wall Builders, they're really behind it.
So who am I to say?

STU: Yeah. And honestly, even when we were talking about this previously, the people who had concerns about it, also were good, prayerful people. I think it's one of those things, that there's a lot of disagreement on what can happen.

I honestly -- we've seen a lot of topics like this recently. Where people who generally agree on most stuff, wind up coming to totally different conclusions. And feel passionate about it, on things like this.

I am, I mean, worth future investigation, I think.
I think that you're totally right in your -- in your -- I think analysis of where we are as a country.

You know, like I -- this is another example from this past week. And I was watching it, sort of from afar. The situation where -- with DeSantis sending the illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard. Now, of course, number one, I think it's funny. That's the most important part of the strategy.

But, like, I have absolutely no problem with the policy of what Abbott has done or what DeSantis has done. Or what -- I'm totally fine. All the arguments against it, are the same arguments we make in Texas every day.

GLENN: Yeah, and I'm tired. It's really driving me crazy. Going. We're not Texas. We're Washington, DC. We're not Texas. What does that even mean?

STU: Yeah. Right. Exactly. You're not a small border town that's overwhelmed by hundreds of thousands of immigrants every few weeks. So I have no sympathy at all for the left on this. The one thing that I think, and this is essentially why you're hearing it.

What is somewhat effective, maybe as an argument. Is I don't want to be lying to people about it.

I don't want to tell them, like, hey. You're going somewhere. And it's not -- hold on. Let me -- let me qualify this. There's very little evidence, that anyone lied to anyone. There are a couple of claims from the immigration attorneys, in Martha's Vineyard. Take this with a grain of salt.

GLENN: Yeah. I take it with a whole salt mine.

STU: Yeah. I don't believe it. But it were true. I would have a problem lying to the illegal immigrants about this. Even though they're here illegally, and don't deserve any of the treatment that they --

GLENN: But it's not like we're sending them to Minnesota.

STU: Martha's Vineyard is awesome. It's a really great place to visit. But my point though was, I heard some people on the right saying, I don't care. Lie to them. Lie all you want.

STU: No, I don't want to be that person.

GLENN: And I think there is this disconnect certainly on the left, that have abandoned all -- all core principle at this point.

And I think there's a temptation on the right, to do similar things, because -- I'm not saying DeSantis even did this.

Again, to be clear. But because, look, they've gone so far, so we need to go so far. And whether we're going to stick with our principles or not.

Look, that's a relic of a past time.

And honestly, part of it, I understand.

Part of it, emotionally, I get. Right?

They're using these things. And we need to be able to fight fire with fire.

GLENN: There's nothing immoral about sending them to different places. You can send them any place in America. They're coming to America.
Why do they have to stop in Texas and Arizona and California?

STU: That's fighting fire with fire within the realm of principle. Right?

GLENN: Fine. Then spread the pain out.

STU: As DeSantis said, everybody should experience a piece of the burden here. Especially, if you're approving it.

GLENN: Especially if you're a sanctuary city. Yeah. When you're saying you're a sanctuary. That to me, is fighting fire with fire. Within the realms of principle, right?

Because I don't want to be the left. I don't want to be them. I don't want to be them. I would rather lose than become they believe.

GLENN: Yes. Well.

STU: If you about it beyond that, and you start breaking your principles in this battle. Then I think you've crossed a line I'm not comfortable with. Now, everybody else on earth, might be comfortable with it.

So it doesn't matter what I think. I will live on my lonesome probably under a bridge somewhere. I'm fine with it. That's my choice.

I think there is a line. And it's a line that this audience oar the years, has given healthy respect to. There have been plenty of times where we pushed back, and tried to do things. And not crossed lines of principle.

And I think that's important. And I honestly think both Abbott and DeSantis have done that here. Unless some of these wild claims are true, which we have no evidence of, at this point.

But, you know, I don't think there's any evidence they've done this. But I do think it is something that in a war, which is what it feels like on a day to take basis here. Not a literal war. But as close as you can get politically. It's tempting to go down these roads. We have to make sure that we don't. We have to make sure that we win. And we win in a way that holds up what we believe in. Because if you break that, you haven't won.

GLENN: Right. And when I see that as -- I mean, there's a couple of things, that I think, that I'm looking for.

Will the country humble itself, before it's forced to humble itself?

Because the humbling is coming. It's coming. You know. And if we humble ourselves before it's coming, maybe we turn the tide. You know, maybe -- maybe we are a little bit more kind, to each other, when it does hit.

We have to humble ourselves. And realize, you know, I was talking to Dennis Prager this weekend. He said, he was -- he's fascinated with my alcoholism. And I said, well, that's something weird to be fascinated by.

But he said, you know, how can alcoholics save the country? Because he was referring to me for years as saying, alcoholics will save the country.

STU: Sure.

GLENN: Just think of this as a 12 step program. First thing, the country has to do. Admit we have a problem. And not just the right or the left.

All of us. We have a problem.

This is not working. And we keep sending people in. And going, hey, you can be our savior. You're going to fix it all.

And they betray us for the most part. Exception, Donald Trump. He actually did do what he said he was going to do. But we are powerless over this. Okay?

We have a problem. And we're powerless over it. Now, you turn to a higher power.

And that doesn't mean somebody in Washington. That means somebody that is above all of it. All of it.

Well, that's a place for God. And you surrender to that. That -- that is the essential first step to healing and correcting any problem.

I got a problem. I've tried everything. Everything doesn't work. So I'm clearly not the guy to fix it. I'm pretty powerless on this. I'm taking my hands off the steering wheel. And I'm trusting a higher power. And I'm so broken and beaten down, that I'll do whatever you tell me to do. What do you want me to do, God? What do you want me to do? Because I'll do it.

We have to get there.

After that, it's, hey, make an inventory of all the people that you've hurt. You think we're willing to do that?

No. Because it would immediately go into, yeah. That's right. You are bad. See, I told you, you're bad. You're really wad. And you owe that person money.

No. No.

Can we just look at the things that we've done, and say, these were good? These were bad. These we should do more of, those we should do less of.

If we can get there, that would be even a bigger miracle. Because at the end of the 12, the 12th is, serve.

I'm going to serve my fellow man. I'll help people who have been struggling, just like me. And I'm doing it for politics or money or anything else.

I'm just going to do it, because I know I've been saved. So I want to help serve other people.

That's the -- that's the America that we should be striving towards. But who is talking about surrender?

And, by the way, surrender, another way to look at it again, for alcoholics. I didn't give in and go, you know what, I surrender. I'm powerless over alcohol. So I'm just going to drink some water.

That's not what it means. It means, surrender to a higher power. Because you keep trying to stop it. And you can't stop it.

STU: Yeah. It's not a surrender to a loss. It's a surrender so you can win.

GLENN: So you can win.

EXCLUSIVE: Chip Roy Explains His FIERY Rejection of Spending Bill

According to the media, there’s a big fight going on between Republicans over the House’s new slimmed-down continuing resolution spending bill. Some, including President-elect Donald Trump, wanted the bill to pass. But others, like Texas Representative Chip Roy, argued that it still wasn’t ready. However, is the Republican “unity coalition” really crumbling, like the media claims? Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn to explain what’s really going on. He argues that he IS trying to give Trump and DOGE a 100-day “runway” to fix the country. But he makes the case that, by increasing the debt ceiling by $5 trillion without agreeing on other cuts, this bill gives bad actors the ability to be an “obstacle” to Trump’s agenda further down the line. Plus, he reveals to Glenn that he believes some of these bad actors LEAKED false information about his stance to Mar-a-Lago.

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GLENN:

I think we have a great opportunity today. To show you how to have a -- tough conversation, with friends, friends. Where you deeply disagree on something.

But you know that their intent is good. They know my intent is good. Or our intent is good.

And we actually have the same end goal, but we disagree on the path. And we're going to walk away friends.

Chip Roy is joining us today. And, Chip, I love you. And I always will. And I agree with your, we've got to cut spending. We have to. But Liz Wheeler is with me. And we've been talking about it all morning. It's the -- the -- the -- the system of DOGE and Trump, the call-out to the world, in saying, you've got to surrender the Capitol. You know, the bad guys are in and about to take all the money.

Surround, and tell them, come out with your hands up. And that happened. And we scored a massive win, in an entirely new way.

Ask then you stood on principle, one we both agree with.

And it failed!

And so here's -- here's what Liz and I were talking about. Here's what we want to say to you.

And then get your response.

LIZ: Hi, Congressman Roy, this is the way I see it. I want your take on it. I love you. I think you're one of the best members of Congress. I disagree with you on the process that's happening. And I think that is the difference. The process. We elected Donald Trump to be a disruptor. Because Republican members of Congress for decades have been telling they're fiscal conservatives. They want to decrease the debt SEAL. It hasn't happened.

It hasn't -- it hasn't been done. And so Donald Trump comes in with Elon Musk, and uses this DOGE process to first identify these pieces of garbage in the first 1500-page bill. And take those things to the people. We took them to members of Congress. Congress said, okay. We'll listen to you.

So that new process was very effective.

And my question to you is: Once that process was proved to be effective. Which I think is exciting and wonderful.

How do we bridge this divide, with you, to say, okay.

Let's put some faith in this new process. And trust Elon Musk and Donald Trump and the Dow Jones process, to eventually address the debt ceiling, but get this done right now?

GLENN: And not blind trust. Chip.

CHIP: So appreciate you guys. Appreciate being on the show. Particular order. I have to go through a couple of things.

GLENN: Yep.

CHIP: Number one, it's important to remember that my job and my duty is to the Constitution, to God, and the people I represent. I told them, when I came to Washington, I would not -- I would not let the credit card and the debt ceiling and the borrowing of the United States without the spending restraints necessary to offset it.

GLENN: Okay.

CHIP: Right now, all we have are promises and ideas and notions. What I know, that neither of you respectfully no, and that none of your listeners respectfully no are the people that are in the room, that I was in with yesterday. And the day before, who are recalcitrant.

And do not want to do the spending cuts that we need to do.

That I believe the president and the DOGE guys. And everybody want to do.

My job, is to force that through the meat grinder. To demand that we do our damn job. Okay?

GLENN: Okay. So hang on. Okay. So wait. Wait. You're right. You're right. You're right. Go ahead.

CHIP: Number thee, when we were going through the bill, I'm glad the bill dropped from 1,550 pages to 116 pages. Three-quarters of Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it, have been out there spreading false facts that we supported a bad bill and didn't like the better bill.

That's not true. But let's be Lear. The 1400 pages that were cut out. It's a panacea.

There were some good stuff in there. There were some bad stuff in there. There was a lot of disinformation.

There wasn't a $70,000 pay raise. There was a 3,000-dollar pay raise.

I didn't support any pay raise. I didn't support a lot of the stuff in there.

But there's a lot of misinformation. And here's the thing: The 116 pages that were left, and I opposed violently the first bill. I was leading the charge on fighting and killing the first bill.

GLENN: And I love you.

LIZ: The second bill for 116 pages. Turned off -- turned off the pay go requirement. That we slash 1.7 trillion automatically.

And added a 5 trillion that are increase.

My view was, I could not support that, without a clear understanding of what cuts we would get, in mandatory spending next year. And undo any of the Inflation Reduction Act.

The undoing of the student loans. The undoing of the crap with the food stamps.

And everything else. I yield back.

GLENN: Okay. I yield back.

Chip, you're not in a hostile room. We love you. And we agree with your end goals. It's our end goal too. We didn't make that promise that you made to the people that voted for you. So we have more wiggle room here.

But you say -- I think our big difference is, you say, I know the guys in the room.

You're right. You do. And we -- we ceded that earlier today on the show.

You are -- one of us is wrong on trust.

I don't trust any of the weasels in Washington.

But I think Donald Trump and Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy have earned enough trust, to get a grace period, here for the first -- maybe the first year.

Or at least six months.

To turn the economy around, and also reduce the size of the government.

And totally flip this thing.

And I know, as somebody who is -- you know, run a company, mainly into a ground. But run a company, and have to switch it, in the middle, and totally reshuffle. That -- that actually costs money, while you're doing it, to bridge the gap.

Because you have to fill up holes while you're filling in the gap.

You don't trust the people in the room. Neither do we.

But we do trust the system that worked on Wednesday with DOGE and Donald Trump.

Where do we disagree?

Can you give them --

CHIP: We don't disagree. And yesterday morning, I was making that precise argument in a room full of conservatives and then a follow-up room with people who will call it, less conservatives.

GLENN: Republican. Yes.

CHIP: And so we were making this argument. And then someone infamously. Something leaked out of the room, somehow out to Mar-a-Lago. That I was being resistant. Because I was negotiating trying to get the agreement to achieve the objective that you just said. I was trying to get, okay. In fact, yesterday morning, I made the argument to a group of conservatives. We need to give the president runway. We need to give him his first 100 days. We need to appreciate JD, and Vivek, and all the people -- and everybody involved. For the president to achieve the objective.

But to get there. We have to make sure that the guys in the room, that are an obstacle to that, don't have the ability to block it.

Because information flow matters. And when those guys tell the president, they can't achieve X.

Then the president will not achieve X. Our job was to force and demand, guys, we need actual understanding of what the cuts will be.

And because otherwise, we're asking us to accept a 5 trillion-dollar limit in our credit card increase. In exchange for nothing!

Literally, in exchange for nothing, but -- but hope.

So our job was to force that change.

Unfortunately, while I was trying to make the argument that we needed something in order to get the votes, someone leaked that down to Mar-a-Lago, and the president reacted.

But now I have to now manage that.

GLENN: Right. I know. I know.

CHIP: They're trying to enforce change in town.

GLENN: So hang on.

We have to leave this. Because I'm going to run against the clock.

I could talk to you all day about this. You were in a meeting this morning about J.D. Vance. Can you tell us anything about that meeting?

CHIP: That meeting happened, because despite what happened yesterday, I'm trying to get this done. Last night, talking to JD, we worked to get this meeting done. We had some good progress this morning.

But there still remains people concerned about spending. That we can work out, what agreement we can reach. On what spending cuts. We can actually get next year, in exchange for giving the vote on a debt ceiling increase.

So it remains fluid. Progress was made. But we have to keep working on it.

And I left that meeting to talk to you. Soil get an update in a minute.

GLENN: Thank you for that, by the way.

I hear there is a new bill that may be coming today.

Is that the one you're talking about?

Or is this another bill that could be another nightmare?

CHIP: Despite other people leaking crap, I refused. I can't say, because it's not been decided by the speaker.

And it's not right to talk about things they're talking about in private meetings.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's -- it's this speaker. I mean, is he really the speaker anymore, Chip, really?

CHIP: We need to hear what bill we need to get forward. And I can't talk about the private meetings. But, look, I'm going to keep fighting for what I promised people that I represent.

I'm going to fight to cut spending. I am going to represent article one.

I'm going to support the president's agenda, but we've got to do that together.

GLENN: Okay.

Chip, thank you.

I think we can -- I think we agree, but I await to see what that means to you. Because we may just have to agree to disagree on this.

But I love you. And I still want you to replace Cornyn.

CHIP: The short version is, for inflation's sake, we cannot increase the debt ceiling $5 trillion without knowing what we're getting for it.

And I don't think anybody should disagree with that.

GLENN: But you don't disagree that Elon Musk and Trump and Vivek are serious about gutting the system.

CHIP: I believe that is their objective. I believe there are obstacles to that objective. And I need to know the sincerity of how we deal with those obstacles, both structural, and human. And we have to figure that out. And that's my job.

America's Favorite Villain Is Ready for Nuclear Fallout. Are You? | Glenn TV | Ep 401

In this episode of Glenn TV — a theatrical how-to guide to survive the breakdown of society after a nuclear attack, according to the new movie “Homestead” from Angel Studios. Glenn Beck interviews the movie’s star and executive producer, Neal McDonough, who plays the head of a family trying to survive as society is breaking down in a postapocalyptic world. You’ve probably seen Neal in everything from the hit TV shows “Yellowstone,” “Suits,” and “Justified” to movies like “Captain America,” “Minority Report,” and the groundbreaking mini-series “Band of Brothers.” Glenn asks Neal what it’s like to play a villain so often, how TV and movies are changing, and how he survived Hollywood as a devoted Christian and husband who refuses to do onscreen kissing scenes with any of his female co-stars. They also discuss his battle with alcoholism, what it’s like working the legends like Sylvester Stallone and Kevin Costner, and the cultural craving for Western cinema. Note: Angel Studios is a sponsor of “The Glenn Beck Program.” Get your tickets for “Homestead” at https://Angel.com/Beck.

Biden FLOODED the Government With DEI, But Trump Has ONE Way to Win

With just weeks left in office, President Biden (or whoever’s actually calling the shots) has decided to hire 1,200 DEI officials. Is this part of a plot to undermine Donald Trump’s plans and make it harder for him to rid the government of woke Deep State bureaucrats? Glenn and fellow BlazeTV host ‪@lizwheeler‬ discuss how other Democrats have recently proposed things like this, including a UK-style “shadow cabinet” that would oppose Trump. Liz also gives her advice to Trump on how to deal with these new DEI officials, who will be paid hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to focus on things like “health equity” …

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GLENN: Okay. Where were we, Liz?

LIZ: The Biden administration. Although, not Biden. Because he can't tell the difference between a nickel and a dime, trying to sabotage the Trump administration.

GLENN: Yeah. So the latest on this is now Biden is hiring 1200. Biden is not doing it.

But he's hiring 1200 DEI officials, and putting them just under the appointed official. So there will be 1200.

Some of these people make almost $400,000 a year. $400,000 a year! That's your tax dollar!

Will you -- in your -- in your life, your average person, I don't know if you'll ever even -- if you'll ever even pay $400,000 in taxes?

So you could be working your whole life, for that one hire.

And he's hired 1200 of them.

And all he's trying to do is make sure the DEI positions just can't get cut.

I've got news for you.

Donald Trump is going to cut those positions.

He's going to. And it's going to get ugly.

I mean, the ACLU was all over this, saying, oh, we've got plans. We're going to -- we're going to -- this is obscene.

This is absolutely obscene. What the Democrats are trying to do. By thwarting the president.

And honestly, thwarting the will of the American people. Remember the speech that was given by I don't know, some boob from -- well, one of the Carolinas.

I don't want to besmirch the other one for electing a boob. But he was -- he was giving a speech in the well of the Senate. And he said, we need a shadow government. What?

Hold it. You mean a Deep State. Because we already have one of those. And he said. This is a quote.

One of the most obscene things I've ever heard from an elected representative. We failed to make our case. That our policies are better.

Now, in my world, growing up in America, the next sentence is: We need to sit down and talk and find out why we're out of step, with the American people.

His was, but we know we're right. So we need a shadow government, to make sure we put our policies in, anyway.

There's nothing more un-American than that.

By the way, Ted Cruz also said, he thinks there's criminal charges that could be lodged against Biden and his administration for the selling of the steel and the walls for the border.

I think so too. I think so too. He'll probably end up blanketing or pardoning everybody that has either lived by a Biden. Or a Democrat.

Worked for the administration. Everybody will get a pardon at the end.

Honestly, it's like, hey. Everybody, Oprah is here.

Look under your seats.

Because you've got a pardon. You've got a pardon. And you've got a pardon.

Ugh!

Now...

PAT: The Department of Health and Human Services on November 15th. This is posted immediately after President Trump has been reelected.

They advertised for the following position. A deputy assistant secretary for Minority Health. With a salary of up to 221 thousand dollars. This is the goal of this position.

Or this is the purpose of this position.

To, quote, promote health equity.

To promote health equity.

What does that mean?

It means racial criminalization in health care.

It means, if you are seeking, I don't know.

Think about during the pandemic. When there was limited resources. Limited beds in the emergency room.

Limited amounts of drugs and therapeutics, that people could access, in order to treat COVID when it's at its worse.

Well, now you will be screened based on the color of your skin.

That's what health equity is. Health equity is a word used to disguise the reality, that it's just -- it's socialism.

It's discrimination.

It requires, a government official to look at you, and make a decision about whether or not you are going to have access to health care that you might need, based on what you look like.

Not based on the severity of your illness. Not based on your ability to pay. Not based on your request for care. But based on the color of your skin. That's not only wrong and immoral and completely absurd, that a bureaucratic in that position would make over $221,000. That's evil. The left likes to pretend, that you're a racist. Or I'm a racist. Just for voting for Donald Trump. This is evil racism. This is the kind of stuff that we eradicated from our country.

And Biden is trying to plant the Trump administration. With these evil little minions before he leaves.

GLENN: I mean, why are we -- why are we surprised?

How many anti-slavery amendments do we have, to the Constitution.

I mean, it's amazing to me. With very few exception, after ten, most of these seem to be like, oh.

Yeah. Okay.

You're so stupid, you don't understand.

Slaves need to be free. Okay.

Then the next amendment is like, okay. All right.

Let me limp up to explain this once more.

That means, they're Americans, and can vote!

How many amendments are -- are just one after another, especially on slavery.

And, by the way, who was it that didn't understand that slaves should be freed? The Democratic Party.

It -- I swear to you, these amendments are just, God, we didn't think you would be this stupid.

It's already covered!

But let's lay it out clearly, for you.

You cannot discriminate by color! By race! By religion.

We thought that had already been covered, but apparently, not.

LIZ: What I would do if I were the Trump transition team. This is obviously a deliberate effort by the Biden administration. Because within the first ten days after the election, 33 of these jobs were posted on government websites.

So this was -- they were like, okay. Trump is coming in. Let's start ceding the deep state with these races. What I would do if I were Trump transition is I would say, we take racial equality, very seriously. We take civil rights very seriously.

In the administration, of the 47th president of the United States, and anybody who engages, especially a government official who engages in racial discrimination will be prosecuted. And prevent these people from even accepting these jobs. Because they will be threatened with legal action if they do.

GLENN: You can make a legal case. A solid, legal case, that that is exactly right. And that's what should be done.

They would be doing that to us, if we were -- if we were discriminating on race. If we were like, you know what, we're only going to hire white people.

We would go to jail.

Oh, you know what. We're just going to shuffle the deck here.

We're going to look at everybody.

But we lean towards white people.

Did you have Wheaties for breakfast?

If you had Wheaties as a childhood, you're in a different category. Okay?

I mean, we would go to jail. We would be shut down.

It's the same thing.

But don't expect the Democrats to get it.

Did you see the new -- or the DNC chair front runner?

The one they're thinking should be the head of the DNC?

He said, the problem with the election is, the convention should have featured pro-Hamas activists.

LIZ: I totally agree. That absolutely should have --
GLENN: At least they would have been honest.
LIZ: Think about how many Democrat voters, and really prominent people too.

I'm talking about Joe Rogan. I'm talking about Elon Musk. I'm talking about RFK Jr. These were fairly hard-core Democrats, who not only converted to being like, okay. We'll tolerate a Republican. Because it's not Joe Biden.

It's not Kamala Harris.

These people are the biggest supporters of President Trump right now, because of that kind of garbage. So DNC, if you are going to be radical, please be honest and tell us.

Thank you. It's just ushering new Republican voters right into our arms.

GLENN: I respect you, more than I respect people like Mike Johnson.

Mike Johnson doesn't tell me what -- he doesn't tell me what he really is.

What he really believes.

He tells me what I want to hear. I don't believe it. Then he's elected. Then he gets in.

And then he rapes you.

You know, I have much more respect for -- for people who are like, yeah. I'm pro-Hamas.

And you should elect me.

Well, I don't think I'm going to do it.

But thank you for telling me who you really are.

LIZ: Yeah. Great. Let's take all of the Democrat members of Congress. And let's Jamaal Bowman them, let's Cori Bush them.

Because as soon as they were honest about being pro-Hamas, voters were like, actually, we're good.

GLENN: Yep. Yep.

By the way, Hochul has come out. And she has now tried to stir up support to end the electoral college.

Because no offense, Wyoming, according to her words, New York voted for Kamala Harris.

You know, it is so dishonest. And this would -- this would have no space, if -- if we were actually teaching you students, what the electoral college is for.

You want to talk about fairness. Here's fairness: Should New York City dictate what all of New York does?

No!

They have representation. Of all the small towns.

All the farming towns.

Everything else.

New York City, should not be the one that tells everyone else, exactly how to live!

I think there should be electoral colleges in states now.

Because the cities are just devouring, all of the communities outside of those mega cities.

The electoral college is to make sure, that New York, California, and let me say, Texas, doesn't run over all of the other states!

And force how they're living in those cities, and those big states. In Wyoming!

Or Idaho!

Or Alabama!

Yeah. I don't have to live like you do in New York City.

I don't want to live like you do in New York City.

And we have completely different values than you do.

We should have a say, and an even, equal seat at the table.

That's why we have the electoral college. And we have the popular vote.

So you can see. And it's usually pretty close.

This time, however, Hochul, you lost the popular vote!

So you don't really have a case here, on the electoral college.

But you don't have a case.

If you're an American, you don't have a case on the electoral college anyway.

LIZ: Wait a second. Have we war gamed the scenario that you just proposed.

If there was an electoral college on the state level in California or on the state level in New York, what would the -- have we actually looked at a map here. If anybody has done this. Tag me on social media.

Because I am fascinated by this idea. I've not thought of this before. But I -- would we actually swing those states Republicans, if there was a state level?

STU: I bet we would. I bet we would.

You know, every time. Look at Wyoming.

Jackson Hole now controls Wyoming. Just controls it.

Who is -- who is so close to controlling Texas?

All the big cities.

You know, you don't have a chance. When these cities grow so large, they tip everything.

That's why we have an electoral college.

And it didn't used to be this way.

But our cities are becoming mega cities.

Almost states in and among themselves.

You -- you have to balance. Otherwise, the farmer and everybody else, that makes your life possible, in a city, gets screwed.

GLENN: And also think about cheating for a second. If you have a popular vote across the whole country, versus an electoral college system, it's a lot easier to impact the outcome of the entire presidential election because you can have one county somewhere with corrupt election officials.

And if they cheat by 10,000 votes, that could change the outcome of the election.

But if you're an electoral college, it doesn't necessarily.