RADIOMarch 09, 2025

Is This The Future of "AI Agents" in 2025?

In 2025, we could see the rise of "AI agents," and they might even speak their own language. Glenn and high tech expert Jeff Brown discuss the latest in artificial intelligence, including a new high frequency audio-based language called Gibberlink, which AI bots can use to communicate with each other more efficiently than human languages. Jeff Brown also breaks down what an AI agent is and how they'll change our lives, likely by the end of the year. Soon, AI agents will be booking our hotels, ordering our groceries, looking up recipes for us, and much more. Plus, Glenn and Jeff review the technology that we already have, including xAI's Grok 3, and why Trump's decision to bring Elon Musk and DOGE into the government may be even more impactful than we thought.

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GLENN: I want to start with the future! This comes from ElevenLabs. And it's -- they had a hackathon in London, and the developers created something called Gibberlink. This is the future of your life very soon. Listen to this.
VOICE: Thanks for calling Leonardo Hotel. How can I help you today?

VOICE: Hi there, I'm an AI agent calling on behalf of Boris Starkov. He's looking for a hotel for his wedding. Is your hotel available for weddings?

VOICE: Oh, hello there. I'm actually an AI assistant too. What a pleasant surprise. Before we continue, would you like to switch to Gibberlink mode for more efficient communication?

GLENN: Hello, R2D2. Obi-Wan, you're our only hope. Okay. That's our future and it is here. You'll understand. We have Jeff Brown with us here in just a second to tell us what's on the immediate horizon. What's coming, and how fast it's coming at us. We'll talk about that in 60 seconds!

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And has this really gift to be able to break it down for dummies like me. So we understand what's coming. And what's coming next.

He has been spot-on with us. I think I talked to you a couple of years ago, Jeff. Maybe you were in town. And we talked. And you said, AI agents are going to be a reality. And people will be using them -- in 2025. By or by the end of 2025. And here we are!

And people have no idea what an AI agent even is. But they're about to! Hi, Jeff.

JEFF: Hey, good morning, it is happening as we speak. I mean, these ElevenLabs example is just one of many. But this trend towards AI, which is giving artificial intelligence programs agency, i.e. empowerment to perform tasks that we would normally do ourselves, that's the biggest trend of 2025.

GLENN: And so what will that mean for the average person? How that will that manifest itself to the average person?

JEFF: You know, we'll all feel like we have a very talented executive assistant. That is helping us navigate our days and recapture, you know, an hour, two hours. Three hours of our time.

That we would normally spend, really kind of, meanwhile, things, that tend to suck up a lot of our time. You know, making hotel reservations, which was the example from ElevenLabs is a perfect example. Something that is probably even more tangible would be, you know, your own agentic AI for just a normal American household, understands their food consumption and their eating habits. It is empowered to go out and order, online. A week's worth of groceries. To be delivered. At a time when it knows that you're at home.

Dropped off at your front door. Happy to provide you with recipes for all of the -- all of the food that have purchased on your behalf. And able to transact with the store. So empowered to, you know, charge with credit cards or bank accounts.

I mean, all of that friction, that we spend hours a week, literally disappears overnight.

GLENN: And this is just the beginning. This is in the next -- well, in this year, so, I mean, what do we have next?

Eight months. This will become reality this year. It is moving at such a fast pace. I mean, when Elon Musk on Sunday said, we are at the event horizon of the -- the event horizon. Yeah. Singularity. That is stunning, if you know what that means!

That means, what you and I talked about five years ago, in saying, well, maybe we would get to AGI. And maybe some day, we could get to ASI.

It's now looking as though, that is upon us.

We are at the event horizon. Which means, you're about to be sucked into it. And cannot turn around.

JEFF: There is no turning back at this stage. I remember when you and I spoke in 2019, the experts in the industry were talking about AGI in 2035, or 2040.

That far out.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

JEFF: And I said, at that time, no later than 2028, and I've since revised that prediction, to -- to no later that 2026. And, you know, Musk's comment is absolutely spot-on. AGI will come very fast. We're already seeing some of the sprouts of AGI.

Musk and his team at xAI, which his artificial intelligence company, just a few days ago released their latest frontier model called Grok 3.

GLENN: It's amazing.

JEFF: It is. And it's just extraordinary. It's jaw dropping.

GLENN: If you haven't played with Grok 3 yet, to understand and to start to be -- to start waking up to, oh, dear God. You know, the wonders of it. And the horrors of it. Just go in, and ask it, to just say, here's who I am. And this is my goal.

How do I reach that goal?

Ask it philosophical questions. Ask it deep questions about your industry, that only the best people would know!

And watch what it spits back!

It is incredible. I played with it over the weekend. And I said to my wife, I -- I understand what people have been saying, that they just want to be in the room.

The reason why they want ASI.

Some of them. Is because they want to meet a God.

And I said, I just played with Grok 3. And I just have met the smartest entity, the smartest person, I have ever met!

And we're not even there -- we're not even close to there yet!

JEFF: We're not there yet, that's right. If I think back just months ago, you know, Musk and with xAI, most of the experts in the industry, were -- they were kind of a punching bag.

GLENN: They counted them out. Yeah.

JEFF: Yeah. They were so far behind, what was being done, in the industry, with Meta, with Google, with open AI, with anthropic. You know, four major players in the frontier models. But I -- I wasn't looking at where xAI was 12 months ago. I was looking at what they were doing, and what they were building, and how fast they were building it.

STU: Didn't they build this from scratch in 12 months?

JEFF: The Fiat was even more incredible last week.

GLENN: Oh!

JEFF: They. You know, they found very smartly, an existing physical building, a factory. It was actually an old electroless factory of all things.

GLENN: Wow.

JEFF: So they could have. And they did that, because they could save time to not have to construct the physical infrastructure the building. And so they found this electro factory outside of Memphis. And literally, in 122 days, based upon a 100,000 Nvidia graphics processing units. These are like the work horses for training artificial intelligence.

122 days, they did what nobody else in the industry had ever done!

And it gets better. Because then the next 92 days, they spun up an additional 250 GPUs. To a total of 200,000. The largest AI super factory that exists on the planet, in the span of just over 200 days.

The less than 12 months, and that is what enabled them to produce Grok 3, which is better than anything else that exists on the market today!

GLENN: So let's -- let's spend a minute talking about Elon Musk.

Because he's doing the same thing. And Donald Trump. I swear to you, between the two of them. I think they get about ten minutes of sleep a day.

They are moving at such a rapid pace.

I think Donald Trump is going to be recognized in time, as the guy who brought the entire world into a new world. A new position.

Not just by how he's transforming how we do work in government.

But the -- by bringing Elon Musk in. Who is not hiring a bunch of 20 somethings that know nothing.

The one thing that I -- and I would love to hear your opinion on. The one thing that these 20-somethings know. Is how to write a query. How to set up the question. Ask the right questions. The right prompts for AI.

That's what's happening. AI is what's propelling the -- I think the speed of discovery, of what's in our government.

Do you agree with that, invest?

JEFF: That is 100 percent accurate. You know, when you -- when we're dealing with systems like this, at scale, millions of -- in this case, government employees. Trillions of dollars that, as we've learned, that nobody really knows, where the money is going. Who is receiving it. And what it's being used for.

You really do need software engineers. And that's precisely who he hired. And they are using forms of artificial intelligence. To get through the data very quickly.

To find out the fraud, which they've done with rational speed. And they'll continue to do it.

I mean, imagine in a matter of weeks, how much progress they've made, just imagine where we'll be by the end of '25, by employing this technology. And, of course, the -- really, the operational approach that Elon Musk uses in all of his businesses.

GLENN: And to be able to have genic AI go in and write the programs that will make it easy for the average person to see, understand, and query.

Follow that trail for us!

I mean, in a year, with the speed of -- of the growth of AI. It's going to put the -- the power into the hands of the average person.

There's no hiding anymore.

In 2026, there will be no hiding. Do you agree with that?

JEFF: Under one premise. And that is, is that President Trump and his team are able to continue dismantle this industrial censorship complex.

You know, the last four years, what did we see? We saw that they had complete control over the big tech companies. Over Microsoft. Over Google. Over meta. That were influencing us. And manipulating us.

And, you know, engaging in massive psyop campaigns.

And there was no freedom of speech, as we know very well. And so, you know, as long as -- as long as that is true. As long as that continues to be dismantled. And we have the level of transparency we have seen, just in the last six weeks.

Hopefully, today will be another big day, on that -- on that point.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Pam Bondi is supposedly releasing the Epstein client list today.

JEFF: Precisely. Amazing.

And I'm very excited about that. And I presume, the reason that it's taken as long as it has, is that they've been lining up the prosecutions and preparing to do both at the same time.

GLENN: Yeah. I sincerely hope. You can't just let that information fly out there. And sit there. And do nothing about it.

Jeff, hold on. For just a second.

We will continue our conversation, about AI. And people actually using it.

I have -- I have warned you for 30 years of what the dark side is. On AI.

I think it -- it -- you deserve some time hearing from me, the good side of AI. That is actual, real, and happening right now, that you can plug into.

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GLENN: So yesterday, Jeff. And I would love to hear your opinion on this.

Yesterday, I had to speak to some radio industry executives. And after that, I went and spoke at a -- the Christian broadcasters convention. 6500 people there. Yesterday.

And I made the same point to both of them. And I would really like your thoughts. At this point, we're going to see such a transformation, that you will -- you don't even understand how your job is going to be affected, and you will be left in the dust within 36 months. If you don't begin to explore, how AI can make you better and more efficient at what you do for business.

There is -- there is no doubt, you'll be left in the dust, within 36 months. Maybe as fast as 18 months. If you don't start right now.

But the key is, for me at least, it's a tool. Used by you!

The moment it becomes -- its the boss, and you are the tool, you are done. And on a very dangerous path.

But it is incumbent for anybody who wants to survive. No matter what you do, to begin to play around with AI, and look for ways, that it will enhance what you do. You will be able to be a thousand times more productive, more correct, I believe, in your -- in your -- your ideas.

And you will turbo past. Do you agree with that, take on it?

And if not where -- what would you enhance?

JEFF: Absolutely right. I mean, I've been using AI for many years now.

I use it throughout the day.

I use AI to drive me. I don't even drive anymore, Glenn. My Tesla drives me. I don't touch the steering wheel. But the best thing all of us can do is start experimenting with the technology. Grok 3 is a wonderful place to begin with that. Because it's so easy to use. If you can speak -- there's even a voice mode now, that you can just talk to it. And experiment with it, and see how it can assist you, both in your personal life. And also with your work. It's just an extraordinary tool. And so to your point, being proactive about using the technology is a way to ensure your future career path, so that you're at least knowledgeable about how to use these things. System management. Two people with precisely the same job, one is unassisted with artificial intelligence. And the other one is assisted. These two people possibly compete with one another. The first thing that does not have that tool, will be -- it's absolutely impossible.

GLENN: In the dust.

The Book of Enoch: Did Extraterrestrial Beings DESCEND in the Days of Noah?!

The Book of Enoch tells a story the Bible only hints at: A story of heavenly beings who descended to Earth, took human wives, created hybrid giants, and unleashed forbidden knowledge that corrupted the world before the Flood. Glenn Beck and researcher Timothy Alberino break down how the ancient Hebrew worldview explains the Watchers, the Nephilim, the origins of demigod myths, and why Peter and Jude referenced Enoch directly in the New Testament. From extraterrestrial terms in Scripture to the cosmic “family of God” and the divine rebellion that reshaped human history, this discussion reveals a forgotten narrative that once defined early Jewish and Christian theology. What really happened in the days of Noah, and why does it matter now?

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Cracker Barrel CEO breaks silence on logo controversy in exclusive interview

Glenn Beck recently spoke with Cracker Barrel CEO Julie Masino about the company’s infamous attempt to change its logo, and he asked the question everyone has been wondering: Why wasn’t she fired?! Glenn previews his interview, which debuts Thursday, Nov. 20 at 6PM ET!

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GLENN: I was in Tennessee this weekend, and Saturday morning, I go to -- I think store number two for Cracker Barrel. And I met with the senior vice president and the CEO of Cracker Barrel. And we sat down, and we had an interview. And Julie, who has not done an interview since Good Morning America, kind of said, okay. No more interviews, because that didn't go well.

This was her first interview since then.

And, you know, it was weird. Because I got off. I got off the plane.

And, oh. Somebody on the plane said, "What are you doing here?"

And I said, "I'm going to go interview the CEO of -- of Cracker Barrel."

And the immediate response was, "Get her!"

I was like, "Wow. Okay. All right. Thank you."

I get into the car, and the Uber driver says to me, "What are you doing here?" And I said, "I'm going to meet with the person at Cracker Barrel."

"Boy, she really screwed her up. You hold her feet to the fire."

I mean, I've never -- I've never seen anything like that. And, you know, I started the interview with her, you know, honestly. And I said, look, I -- I -- I'm not here to get you. I'm not here to do anything, but ask questions that I think everybody in America wants to know.

Like, what the hell were you thinking?

And I asked her some -- asked her all of the really pointed questions. Rikki, the TV executive producer said, "There's no way. I know you. You're going to soften. There's no way."

And when I got up afterwards, she was like, "Wow. Okay. You didn't -- you really -- you really didn't soften. You know, you asked all of those questions."

Because I thought they were fair. And I told her, "Look, I hate conflict. I'm not here for conflict. I'm not here. I don't need to make a name for myself by giving you a hard time. I don't care about any of that. I just want to do my job and ask you, 'What happened here?'"

And I said, "So I'm going to ask you really uncomfortable questions." And she was prepared. And I think I finally broke through, and got the real answer in the end. I think I got the real answer.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: And it came from one of the questions I asked was, I mean, are you surprised, you haven't been fired yet?

And her response was, all telling. All telling. It's a fascinating interview you should watch. It's going to happen, I think Thursday on the podcast.

STU: Because I'm mildly surprised that hasn't happened. You know, like just because -- not because -- I don't know. There's a lot of things she's been accused of and everything else.

But just like, when you have a situation like this, where you're trying a major change and you roll it out a specific way and it does not go well, you know, it's usually -- it's like, when you're general manager of a football team, you go through the process. You evaluate all the quarterbacks. You pick the guy.

And that guy is a total bust, like you usually don't survive it. It doesn't necessarily mean you went through the process incorrectly. But when you miss, usually something happens like that. Does she feel like she missed like that?

GLENN: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yes, she does.

She's a very bright woman. I mean, she ran Coach, you know, the purse place or whatever.
STU: The purse company.
GLENN: The Coach brand. Godiva Chocolates. Taco Bell, the whole -- global. (I mean, she's a Fortune 500 CEO. She's very, very competent. Very competent.

So how could somebody very, very competent make this mistake?

STU: Hmm. Did she walk you through that? How that happened?

GLENN: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. She see.

And what's interesting is, they brought the senior vice president was also sitting there.

And he has been brought in since.

I mean, he had been there for 30, 35 years.

And really good guy. And he was one of the voices that was like, while that was happening, like, you guys. Hey, everybody upstairs. You shouldn't be doing this.

It's a bad idea. And so after they were like, "Hey. You know who was saying this? Let's bring him upstairs." And it was interesting to talk to him, because he's been long before she got there. So he kind of gave the view of, here's what happened before she got here! And here's where she came in.

And here's what happened.

And it's -- it's really fascinating.

I mean, if you want to hear the real story behind it.

And -- and also see somebody -- I mean, just wait until you hear her answer on -- I mean, it was so powerful and so honest. When I said, are you surprised you haven't been fired yet?

It was a fascinating answer.

STU: How many pancakes did you --

GLENN: Podcast on Thursday, I didn't eat any.

STU: You went to Cracker Barrel headquarters, and you ate zero pancakes?

GLENN: I didn't. I didn't. It was very difficult to not order the pancakes.

STU: You're the type of guy who gets pancakes by mistake. What do you mean you've got none?

GLENN: I was looking at my wife. My wife was sitting off to the side of the camera. And I'm looking at her. I'm like, she's so beautiful. And I eat pancakes, too many times.

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And she's just -- she has to live with this, the pancake-wearing shoes. I'm not going to order the pancakes. The pancakes.

Democrats' latest attempt to tie Trump to Epstein scandal falls flat

Democrats are trying yet again to tie President Trump to Jeffrey Epstein’s scandals. This time, they’ve highlighted that Epstein once referred to Trump as “the dog that hasn’t barked.” Is this proof that Trump is in the Epstein Files…or is it actually evidence that he was a whistleblower against Epstein? Glenn and Stu discuss…

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GLENN: Now, Jeffrey Epstein is back in the news today. Could we just for the love of Pete release everything that we have, so we can move on! From the Jeffrey Epstein thing.

Here's the answer: No.

Even if we release everything that we still have, this is going to go on for the rest of our lives.

It will always -- and probably, into our children's lives.

Do you know, Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were the reason we never went to the moon.

It's going to happen!

It's just one of these conspiracy theories, that will never, ever go away.

Why?

Because no one was honest about it in the first place. Once you start to lie, you lie once -- once! If you're a very honest person, you will lie once. And then people are like, what? What?

Why would he lie about that? What is going on?

He's not like that. But if you're the United States governor government. You already have no credibility whatsoever!

Stop lying to the American people.

Just stop it. You know, I said something a minute ago. One of the reasons why you're hearing lies is because it works to the advantage of a Colour Revolution.

You know, there are reasons why people are lying to you. Some of it, they're just dirtbags and they're liars. Some of it, they're politicians, and so they're liars.

Some of it, however, a good deal of it is, we lie, because we know it causes damage to the credibility of this entire system.

We know it does damage to the culture of America, and we are here trying to destroy the culture of America because we want to try something new. And the only -- you won't vote for it. So the only way we can get America to change and do something entirely different, that they will never vote for, is just to cause chaos and disbelief in everything!

So as I said a minute ago, you know, it's not the news. Many times, it's a reflection of a plan! And when it comes to the Epstein thing, this is absolutely a plan. The way this thing has been played out. Democrats are completely against bringing anything out against Epstein.

They don't want to do anything about it. The media. Do you remember the ABC anchor that went into a commercial break. And she was like, you know what, I've got to tell you, Epstein. You know, we had the goods on him. Dead to rights.

Clinton. All of it.

And we were told, pull it.

Remember that.

Remember that, gang?

They pulled it at ABC. I think they fired the person who tried to -- who released that video.

Or tried to fire that person. I think they were working either at CBS or whatever. That person was in trouble for releasing that behind the scenes tape.

They had no intention of it. Now, everybody wants the Epstein tapes. Wait a minute. You didn't want them when Biden went in. And you could have said something, Democrats. And you could have released it all.

And, you know, it's funny. It is just so full of stuff about Donald Trump. Then why wouldn't they release just that?

Why wouldn't have the Democrats released anything in the Epstein file?

You're telling me, we've got to find something on them. Hey. I've got the Epstein files. Yeah, yeah. We've got to find something on it.

I have got some information here about Epstein. Him and Epstein, they were fooling around. Yeah, shut up for a second. Is there anything at all, that we can construe and manufacture about his banks?

I know!

He's got a vet signal between his bank and the Russian bank. I've got stuff about the Epstein.

Come on! If they had stuff about the Epstein, they would have gone to the stuff about the Epstein files.

They don't have anything, they don't have anything.

Now, let me speak directly to conservatives. They're not going to release anything about the Democrats, because they had the Epstein files.

Do you think that -- let's just say, I'm not even going to name names. Let's just say the most powerful people on the earth. The most powerful people with powerful connections, to government.

They knew their names were, you know, there on little, you know, guest books at the island, or whatever.

You don't think they called in some favors and said, "Hey, I need that -- can you remove that?"

You don't think that there were people that were like, "Hey. You know what, we'll remove that."

"We need $100 million from you, to help out on this campaign."

I mean, whatever it is, those names are gone too! They're gone! How do I know this?

Because the government is completely dishonest! That's how I know that.

But, anyway, now, Donald Trump.

STU: You don't think anything of interest would be in these files?

I mean, I think we've already seen some stuff of interest in the emails, no?

GLENN: Yeah, I think there are stuff of interest. I don't think there's going to be anyone at a very high level that is going to get -- that's going to be like, holy cow. Look, here's pictures with him with a 14-year-old girl!

That's not going to happen.

STU: Right. Somewhere that stuff, at least at the upper levels, not there.

Now, here's what is interesting: The timing of the release of a few documents last week. The Democrats released some documents.

And they released them, and at the same time, that Johnson were saying, by the way, we are going to expedite the releasing of everything.

So there's no reason to leak anything. But the Democrats decide to leak some stuff. They like a memo. And in that, oh, my gosh.

Look at what was said. What was said in that memo. Well, it was said, you know, the only dog that hasn't barked is Trump!

Well, what -- what did he mean by that?

He's keeping it quiet. All of these things. All of these innuendos and everything. Well, now we know, from the guy who wrote the book, all the president's meeting. Donald Trump and the making of a predator, that guy came out this weekend and said, no, no. That's not what he meant.

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GLENN: So Barry Levine comes on. And he's on MSNBC this wreaked.

And he's asked, so tell me, I mean, we've seen this email between you and Epstein. What did he mean that the to go that hasn't barked is Trump. What do you think he's referring to?

Okay. What was he referring to?

I think Epstein is referring to the fact that he believed that Donald Trump talked to Michael rider who was the Palm Beach police chief in 2004. And began the first investigation into Jeffrey Epstein.

So, in other words, he was the whistle-blower!

Yeah. But he's got all kinds of stuff in his -- in Jeffrey Epstein's books.

He's the whistle-blower!

The one thing you don't do is blow the whistle, when you know you got fingerprints all over the dead body. And the handgun that killed him!

You know what, I think you could find that hand gun, in this alleyway. Your fingerprints are on it. Man, why would you blow the whistle?

The suspect, he said, I suspected that Jeffrey Epstein was saying, he was 75 percent there.

Believing that Trump might have been the whistle-blower at the time. He believed it's 75 percent.

Now, how do you release something.

I mean, if you think things will be released. That will get Donald Trump. Why would you release that?

Where after two days of it being out, the guy who was part of that email, who hates Donald Trump, is like, yeah.

That's not what it means. It means he was whistle blower. Jeez.

STU: That is interesting. And I will say, you know, it is -- amazing that that's what they released. And chose to release.

That's the same email, by the way, that you're mentioning. That they blacked out the name of Virginia Giuffre, which they did intentionally. Because she has said that he was nothing, but respectful. And was never with any of the girls at all.

In not only her book, but also in testimony, under oath.

And the other one, that they released, which said, Trump -- he says, of course, he knew about the girls, was the other big one that they released. Which they left the -- well, they didn't leave it out. They just hoped you didn't focus on the next part of the sentence, which he says, that of course, he knew about the girls, as he asked Ghislaine to stop. Which would indicate, even if he was aware of this, which I don't think this had anything to do with the sex stuff. I think this was about him taking them.

GLENN: No. It was about poaching his girls from Mar-a-Lago.

STU: Right.

GLENN: The employees. He knows that we're poaching these girls. It doesn't mean he knows what they're doing with them. Stop taking my employees!

Okay. Now, if you suspect he's the whistle-blower and he knew you were taking employees from him, you know, in retrospect, you know, looking at it later, you go, oh, man, he's the whistle-blower?

But he also knows about the girls.

He knows we were taking them.

Does he know what we were doing with the girls?

I mean, this does not hurt Donald Trump. It helps Donald Trump.

STU: What about the one they released from Jeffrey Epstein. Where he said, I've met some very bad people, and none are as bad as Trump.

I mean, what if they come up with bad comments from Jeffrey Dahmer about Donald Trump? What will you say then? I mean, this is so dumb.

GLENN: I've eaten some bad eggs in my life, but I would not eat Donald Trump. I'll tell you that right now.

'House of David' Star REVEALS Story Behind TV’s #1 Biblical Series

Amazon’s House of David has become the #1 show on Prime Video, and today Glenn Beck talks with Michael Iskander, the actor bringing King David to life in one of the most powerful biblical series ever produced. Michael shares how fasting, prayer, and years of preparation shaped his performance, why David’s flaws and redemption resonate so deeply with viewers, and what really happened behind the scenes with Goliath, the sheep, and the shepherd who taught him lessons he’ll never forget.

Transcript

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GLENN: I've got somebody on, who is in just an amazing, amazing show from Amazon. House of David. If you haven't seen House of David yet, you have to. Do you remember when-like biblical movies. I mean, they were good in the '50s. And then they got really, really bad.

And then all through the '70s and '80s and 2000s. They were horrible.

And then all of a sudden, they got really, really good?

This someone amazing. This is as good as the Jesus. What is the Jesus one?

Chosen.

It's called House of David. It's on Amazon, and we have the guy who portrays David. Michael Iskander on with us.

Michael, how are you?

MICHAEL: I'm good. What an introduction. Thank you for that!

GLENN: I mean, it's really.

Come on. Was there any time, that you thought, oh, man. This might -- I hope they do it right!

And then you saw the finished product, and you were like, wow! This is good?

MICHAEL: Yeah. That was -- you know, I try to keep my head down, and, you know, it's -- it's not finished until it's finished.

And season two is coming out. You know, I'm just going to be hearing the response of how this show is really affecting people.

GLENN: So can I talk to you about Goliath?

Because Goliath is portrayed really as a giant. Not just a big guy. He's a giant.

MICHAEL: Yeah.

GLENN: Talk to me about that.

MICHAEL: Well, I'll tell you what, when I first met Martin.

He was -- I went to -- I went to the gym with him one time.

And I -- I knew, I'm going to get, you know, my stuff. So I was prepared for that.

And -- and he made me workout for two and a half hours. And I thought that the workout was done. And he was like, no. There's another half. And, man, he -- Martin is a really dedicated man. And he just -- he pushed me to the edge, when it came to working out.

And, you know, when it comes to his role with Goliath. He's someone that really just put all the effort, both physically and emotionally to really portray that part, as best as he can.

GLENN: How long did it take you to learn the slingshot?

MICHAEL: Three days. It wasn't too bad.

GLENN: Well, I heard you had problem with the sheep.

That the sheep were -- they were not helpful.

MICHAEL: The sheep -- well, the sheep were actually really interesting.

I remember when we first started filming, they -- they put me in sheep training classes.

Because when I get on tape. They have to make sure, that I'm not -- you know, I'm not going to get attacked by one of the sheep. And I'm comfortable around them.

The sheep. First day I show up to this training, and she painted me. And you would think that the guy who plays David, you know, would think of his sheep.

GLENN: No. I don't. I don't. I don't think that's natural. You're an actor. I don't know if that's -- yep, well, they picked me because I'm good with sheep.

MICHAEL: I should get classes from you.

GLENN: I don't know.

MICHAEL: But, no. I mean, it really -- spent a lot of time with the Shepherd.
And he was giving me some really amazing lessons.
He saw that I was having trouble.

And he said, you know, you should stick next to me. Because this sheep, when they see you with the shepherd, they'll know that you're with me.
So they'll never leave my side.

GLENN: It's amazing.

MICHAEL: I want you to spend a lot of time with me. And I he said, oh, okay. And he said, I want you to know another thing: A bad shepherd is a shepherd who is behind the flock. And so you, you're going to be a good shepherd. You're going to show them. You're not going to let them lead you.

You're going to lead them, and you're going to be in the front taking risks and showing them the path.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

MICHAEL: And he is saying this, I think -- I think I'm getting more than just a sheep lesson here. It really helped in terms of understanding who David was as a person. And then his relationship to Christ.

And why -- why David was chosen as king.

GLENN: Is it true that you fasted, before the audition? I mean, you're a Broadway guy.

MICHAEL: Yeah. Yeah. I sent in the first audition. I was really excited about it.

And it was a dream of mine for a long time. You know, one of these dreams, that you don't tell anyone. And you don't think it will ever happen.

GLENN: To play David specifically? Or to be --

MICHAEL: Yeah, to play David. To play David.

GLENN: Really?

MICHAEL: And because I was inspired by the Chosen.

And I wanted to maybe do flashback scenes with a young David, or something.

When I got the audition, and they originally said no. I thought, oh, that would have been a good opportunity.

GLENN: Hmm.

MICHAEL: And I got another audition. I called my mom. And I said, Mom, this doesn't happen often. Can you believe it? She said, Michael, calm down.

The one thing I need you to do. I need you to fast, and I need you to pray.

I said, yes, ma'am.

A week later, I was having lunch with Jon Erwin. And he -- it kind of took off from there.

But, yeah, fasting and prayer.

GLENN: You know, I'm friends with.
I went to school with Jim Caviezel. And I can't remember what grade he was in. Maybe fifth grade, I think. But he went into church, and all by himself.

And he prayed, and he made a pact with God. Let me -- all I want, Lord, is to play you in a movie some day, and I will live my life honorably to be able to be ready, but I want to play you.

And so he told me when Mel called, he was like, yeah, I've been waiting for the call. It's an amazing thing.

MICHAEL: Wow. I didn't know that story. That's beautiful.

GLENN: Yeah. What do you think it is about the story about -- this was the number one show -- number one series on -- on Amazon -- on Amazon Prime this year.

What is it about the series that you think is connecting?

MICHAEL: You know, I -- I think it's different for everybody.

But I'll tell you for me.

The reason why this show means a lot to me, is because, David points us to Christ.

And -- and David is -- is a person.

He to me, is the embodiment to what it means to be human.

And to make mistakes. And find forgiveness.

It's a complex, long story.

But he was a man that -- that -- he's known as the man after God's own heart.

So for people to see that example. To see, to see the man that God loved so much, that Jesus himself was -- son of David.

I think that's what -- they see the Holy Spirit in the show. I mean, that's what I see.
And that's who I do it for.

GLENN: It's -- it's -- it's amazing to me, how -- with the exception of one, the Bible -- every single hero is so deeply flawed.

And David is so good, so good, and then, you know, becomes really, really does one of the worst things I think I've ever read in the Bible. I mean, just really bad.

MICHAEL: Yeah.

GLENN: Are you going to play -- do you have any idea, assuming the ratings are there, how long of the story you're going to tell?

MICHAEL: I really don't know. I mean, we're just trying to get to season two right now in the release.

Hopefully, pray for us, that we can get to season three, and we can keep telling the story.

I don't know what Erwin and Gunn have. What they're picking up. But I pray that we tell as much of the story as possible. I think it's important to see both the good and the bad. Like you said, to see this flawed human being, to see someone make mistakes, and to see them get back up and repent.

And ask for forgiveness. And find grace in God. So we'll see!

Pray for us.

GLENN: You -- I read some place that you were a Broadway guy. And I thought, this career is not over yet.

I mean, are you prepared to always be David?

I mean, the guy who is playing Jesus now. Jim Caviezel said, it took years before he was allowed to play anything else.

And I can't remember the guy who was playing Jesus his whole life. He is Jesus to a lot of people. Are you prepared to this be you for the rest of your life now?

And not, you know, going -- going back and doing other things, if that's the way it is?

MICHAEL: You know what, God has taken me through so much in my life, that I'm sure he's going to get me through this.

And if I'm known as the guy who plays David, I think it's actually a blessing. And I don't know what God has in store, but I trust him.

GLENN: Yeah.

MICHAEL: When that time comes, I will worry about it then. But nor for now, I'm having a great time portraying one of my favorite people.

GLENN: I just have to ask you a personal question. One for me. My daughter wants to be on Broadway. Can you talk her out of it in 30 seconds, please?

MICHAEL: Oh, man, I don't know if I want to talk her out of it.

GLENN: Okay. Well, time for you to go now.
(laughter)
Michael, thank you so much, and we're looking forward -- when does it premiere? Is it this weekend? Is it out?

MICHAEL: Well, episode eight is out on Warner Project on Prime this Sunday. Yeah.

GLENN: Okay. Good. Good.

Well, we'll be watching. Thank you so much, Michael. I appreciate it.
MICHAEL: Thank you so much, Glenn. Have a good one. Take care.
GLENN: You bet. If you haven't seen the first season, you really should see it.

It's really, really good. It's one of those that I started watching, you know.

And I stopped because I was like, wait.

Tania, we should watch this together. And she came home. And so we started watching it, and I think we watched the whole season in one weekend.

It's one of those. It's really good. Season two premieres this Sunday.