In 2025, we could see the rise of "AI agents," and they might even speak their own language. Glenn and high tech expert Jeff Brown discuss the latest in artificial intelligence, including a new high frequency audio-based language called Gibberlink, which AI bots can use to communicate with each other more efficiently than human languages. Jeff Brown also breaks down what an AI agent is and how they'll change our lives, likely by the end of the year. Soon, AI agents will be booking our hotels, ordering our groceries, looking up recipes for us, and much more. Plus, Glenn and Jeff review the technology that we already have, including xAI's Grok 3, and why Trump's decision to bring Elon Musk and DOGE into the government may be even more impactful than we thought.
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GLENN: I want to start with the future! This comes from ElevenLabs. And it's -- they had a hackathon in London, and the developers created something called Gibberlink. This is the future of your life very soon. Listen to this.VOICE: Thanks for calling Leonardo Hotel. How can I help you today?
VOICE: Hi there, I'm an AI agent calling on behalf of Boris Starkov. He's looking for a hotel for his wedding. Is your hotel available for weddings?
VOICE: Oh, hello there. I'm actually an AI assistant too. What a pleasant surprise. Before we continue, would you like to switch to Gibberlink mode for more efficient communication?
GLENN: Hello, R2D2. Obi-Wan, you're our only hope. Okay. That's our future and it is here. You'll understand. We have Jeff Brown with us here in just a second to tell us what's on the immediate horizon. What's coming, and how fast it's coming at us. We'll talk about that in 60 seconds!
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And has this really gift to be able to break it down for dummies like me. So we understand what's coming. And what's coming next.
He has been spot-on with us. I think I talked to you a couple of years ago, Jeff. Maybe you were in town. And we talked. And you said, AI agents are going to be a reality. And people will be using them -- in 2025. By or by the end of 2025. And here we are!
And people have no idea what an AI agent even is. But they're about to! Hi, Jeff.
JEFF: Hey, good morning, it is happening as we speak. I mean, these ElevenLabs example is just one of many. But this trend towards AI, which is giving artificial intelligence programs agency, i.e. empowerment to perform tasks that we would normally do ourselves, that's the biggest trend of 2025.
GLENN: And so what will that mean for the average person? How that will that manifest itself to the average person?
JEFF: You know, we'll all feel like we have a very talented executive assistant. That is helping us navigate our days and recapture, you know, an hour, two hours. Three hours of our time.
That we would normally spend, really kind of, meanwhile, things, that tend to suck up a lot of our time. You know, making hotel reservations, which was the example from ElevenLabs is a perfect example. Something that is probably even more tangible would be, you know, your own agentic AI for just a normal American household, understands their food consumption and their eating habits. It is empowered to go out and order, online. A week's worth of groceries. To be delivered. At a time when it knows that you're at home.
Dropped off at your front door. Happy to provide you with recipes for all of the -- all of the food that have purchased on your behalf. And able to transact with the store. So empowered to, you know, charge with credit cards or bank accounts.
I mean, all of that friction, that we spend hours a week, literally disappears overnight.
GLENN: And this is just the beginning. This is in the next -- well, in this year, so, I mean, what do we have next?
Eight months. This will become reality this year. It is moving at such a fast pace. I mean, when Elon Musk on Sunday said, we are at the event horizon of the -- the event horizon. Yeah. Singularity. That is stunning, if you know what that means!
That means, what you and I talked about five years ago, in saying, well, maybe we would get to AGI. And maybe some day, we could get to ASI.
It's now looking as though, that is upon us.
We are at the event horizon. Which means, you're about to be sucked into it. And cannot turn around.
JEFF: There is no turning back at this stage. I remember when you and I spoke in 2019, the experts in the industry were talking about AGI in 2035, or 2040.
That far out.
GLENN: Uh-huh.
JEFF: And I said, at that time, no later than 2028, and I've since revised that prediction, to -- to no later that 2026. And, you know, Musk's comment is absolutely spot-on. AGI will come very fast. We're already seeing some of the sprouts of AGI.
Musk and his team at xAI, which his artificial intelligence company, just a few days ago released their latest frontier model called Grok 3.
GLENN: It's amazing.
JEFF: It is. And it's just extraordinary. It's jaw dropping.
GLENN: If you haven't played with Grok 3 yet, to understand and to start to be -- to start waking up to, oh, dear God. You know, the wonders of it. And the horrors of it. Just go in, and ask it, to just say, here's who I am. And this is my goal.
How do I reach that goal?
Ask it philosophical questions. Ask it deep questions about your industry, that only the best people would know!
And watch what it spits back!
It is incredible. I played with it over the weekend. And I said to my wife, I -- I understand what people have been saying, that they just want to be in the room.
The reason why they want ASI.
Some of them. Is because they want to meet a God.
And I said, I just played with Grok 3. And I just have met the smartest entity, the smartest person, I have ever met!
And we're not even there -- we're not even close to there yet!
JEFF: We're not there yet, that's right. If I think back just months ago, you know, Musk and with xAI, most of the experts in the industry, were -- they were kind of a punching bag.
GLENN: They counted them out. Yeah.
JEFF: Yeah. They were so far behind, what was being done, in the industry, with Meta, with Google, with open AI, with anthropic. You know, four major players in the frontier models. But I -- I wasn't looking at where xAI was 12 months ago. I was looking at what they were doing, and what they were building, and how fast they were building it.
STU: Didn't they build this from scratch in 12 months?
JEFF: The Fiat was even more incredible last week.
GLENN: Oh!
JEFF: They. You know, they found very smartly, an existing physical building, a factory. It was actually an old electroless factory of all things.
GLENN: Wow.
JEFF: So they could have. And they did that, because they could save time to not have to construct the physical infrastructure the building. And so they found this electro factory outside of Memphis. And literally, in 122 days, based upon a 100,000 Nvidia graphics processing units. These are like the work horses for training artificial intelligence.
122 days, they did what nobody else in the industry had ever done!
And it gets better. Because then the next 92 days, they spun up an additional 250 GPUs. To a total of 200,000. The largest AI super factory that exists on the planet, in the span of just over 200 days.
The less than 12 months, and that is what enabled them to produce Grok 3, which is better than anything else that exists on the market today!
GLENN: So let's -- let's spend a minute talking about Elon Musk.
Because he's doing the same thing. And Donald Trump. I swear to you, between the two of them. I think they get about ten minutes of sleep a day.
They are moving at such a rapid pace.
I think Donald Trump is going to be recognized in time, as the guy who brought the entire world into a new world. A new position.
Not just by how he's transforming how we do work in government.
But the -- by bringing Elon Musk in. Who is not hiring a bunch of 20 somethings that know nothing.
The one thing that I -- and I would love to hear your opinion on. The one thing that these 20-somethings know. Is how to write a query. How to set up the question. Ask the right questions. The right prompts for AI.
That's what's happening. AI is what's propelling the -- I think the speed of discovery, of what's in our government.
Do you agree with that, invest?
JEFF: That is 100 percent accurate. You know, when you -- when we're dealing with systems like this, at scale, millions of -- in this case, government employees. Trillions of dollars that, as we've learned, that nobody really knows, where the money is going. Who is receiving it. And what it's being used for.
You really do need software engineers. And that's precisely who he hired. And they are using forms of artificial intelligence. To get through the data very quickly.
To find out the fraud, which they've done with rational speed. And they'll continue to do it.
I mean, imagine in a matter of weeks, how much progress they've made, just imagine where we'll be by the end of '25, by employing this technology. And, of course, the -- really, the operational approach that Elon Musk uses in all of his businesses.
GLENN: And to be able to have genic AI go in and write the programs that will make it easy for the average person to see, understand, and query.
Follow that trail for us!
I mean, in a year, with the speed of -- of the growth of AI. It's going to put the -- the power into the hands of the average person.
There's no hiding anymore.
In 2026, there will be no hiding. Do you agree with that?
JEFF: Under one premise. And that is, is that President Trump and his team are able to continue dismantle this industrial censorship complex.
You know, the last four years, what did we see? We saw that they had complete control over the big tech companies. Over Microsoft. Over Google. Over meta. That were influencing us. And manipulating us.
And, you know, engaging in massive psyop campaigns.
And there was no freedom of speech, as we know very well. And so, you know, as long as -- as long as that is true. As long as that continues to be dismantled. And we have the level of transparency we have seen, just in the last six weeks.
Hopefully, today will be another big day, on that -- on that point.
GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Pam Bondi is supposedly releasing the Epstein client list today.
JEFF: Precisely. Amazing.
And I'm very excited about that. And I presume, the reason that it's taken as long as it has, is that they've been lining up the prosecutions and preparing to do both at the same time.
GLENN: Yeah. I sincerely hope. You can't just let that information fly out there. And sit there. And do nothing about it.
Jeff, hold on. For just a second.
We will continue our conversation, about AI. And people actually using it.
I have -- I have warned you for 30 years of what the dark side is. On AI.
I think it -- it -- you deserve some time hearing from me, the good side of AI. That is actual, real, and happening right now, that you can plug into.
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GLENN: So yesterday, Jeff. And I would love to hear your opinion on this.
Yesterday, I had to speak to some radio industry executives. And after that, I went and spoke at a -- the Christian broadcasters convention. 6500 people there. Yesterday.
And I made the same point to both of them. And I would really like your thoughts. At this point, we're going to see such a transformation, that you will -- you don't even understand how your job is going to be affected, and you will be left in the dust within 36 months. If you don't begin to explore, how AI can make you better and more efficient at what you do for business.
There is -- there is no doubt, you'll be left in the dust, within 36 months. Maybe as fast as 18 months. If you don't start right now.
But the key is, for me at least, it's a tool. Used by you!
The moment it becomes -- its the boss, and you are the tool, you are done. And on a very dangerous path.
But it is incumbent for anybody who wants to survive. No matter what you do, to begin to play around with AI, and look for ways, that it will enhance what you do. You will be able to be a thousand times more productive, more correct, I believe, in your -- in your -- your ideas.
And you will turbo past. Do you agree with that, take on it?
And if not where -- what would you enhance?
JEFF: Absolutely right. I mean, I've been using AI for many years now.
I use it throughout the day.
I use AI to drive me. I don't even drive anymore, Glenn. My Tesla drives me. I don't touch the steering wheel. But the best thing all of us can do is start experimenting with the technology. Grok 3 is a wonderful place to begin with that. Because it's so easy to use. If you can speak -- there's even a voice mode now, that you can just talk to it. And experiment with it, and see how it can assist you, both in your personal life. And also with your work. It's just an extraordinary tool. And so to your point, being proactive about using the technology is a way to ensure your future career path, so that you're at least knowledgeable about how to use these things. System management. Two people with precisely the same job, one is unassisted with artificial intelligence. And the other one is assisted. These two people possibly compete with one another. The first thing that does not have that tool, will be -- it's absolutely impossible.
GLENN: In the dust.