RADIOJuly 15, 2024

Former Atheist Comedian Jamie Kilstein's Biggest Struggle After Becoming a Christian

"Being Christian is HARD, man," comedian Jamie Kilstein tells Glenn. When he left atheism to follow Christ, there were plenty of misconceptions he had to discover, starting with a common one: if you follow God's will, then everything will be easy! Jamie joins Glenn to discuss how he found the exact opposite to often be true. From getting married and losing all his money 2 days later to his "biggest struggle" (that involved an ill-fated game of duck-duck-goose), Jamie recounts his unexpected Christian journey. And his struggles with depression, victim mentality, and the thought that he was being punished didn't make it any easier. But he also tells Glenn why he isn't giving up ... after all, he didn't start following Jesus to make his life easier. He turned to Christianity for a much deeper reason. Plus, Jamie gives his take on Russell Brand's Christian conversion.

Transcript

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GLENN: Hello, my friend. Jamie Kilstein. How are you?

JAMIE: Hi, buddy. That intro was very funny.

GLENN: Well, it's sad, kind of, isn't it? Because it's all true. You have had such an incredible life. And I'm telling you, Jamie. Your life will only get better. But you just -- it's hard at first.

JAMIE: It is. Yeah. It was easier, kind of not -- it was -- it was easier not being Christian. Being Christian is hard, man.

It's so hard. I was very happy. Just like blissfully torpedoing my life. And angrily tweeting that from Brooklyn back in the day.

This is difficult.

And then I go to my Christian friends for like help.

Like my famous pastor friend. And they'll always be like, yeah. Well, look at the apostles. They were in jail. They died. I'm like, cool. That's awful. I don't want that. I want a good -- was there any apostle that like did okay? It's not a good sell.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. I have the same thing. My pastor friends and everybody comes up to me and they'll say, you know, you've been speaking prophecy on what's coming.

And, you know, you find those people in the Bible.

I'm like, don't ever say that to me. Those people were all killed.

They all died!

JAMIE: Yeah. Yeah. Jesus. The main guy died.

GLENN: Yeah.
(laughter)
JAMIE: Like he came back. But he died. Yeah.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. I guess it would -- I guess it should be a little more obvious that Christianity is tough, when that's the story, the selling point.

What's been the -- what's been the biggest struggle?

JAMIE: I mean, it's been all over the place. When I -- I mean, first of all, the week after I got baptized I got the worst injury I've ever gotten.

I've done Jiu-Jitsu and MMA for 20 years. Trained with UFC fighters. Wasn't that. I was volunteering at church playing Duck Duck Goose. And like, had to show the oddly good-looking guy volunteers that I was in charge. And so my hip shattered, and so I was out for a year.

GLENN: Oh, you're kidding me.

JAMIE: Oh, yeah, dude.

And I don't think I told this story on a podcast.

But I literally -- the worship band played at the end of the volunteer rally, and I'm standing there, and they're playing some Hallelujah song. And there's like tears in my eyes. And people must have been like, our new brother in Christ, is being moved by the Holy Spirit. And I'm like, my hip is broken. I don't have health insurance. I don't know what I will do.

So I hobbled out of there.

And then before I met my --

GLENN: You didn't tell anybody? You didn't tell anybody there?

JAMIE: No. Because I literally felt like -- I think I'm a level-headed guy. I'm an intelligent guy.

But when you become a Christian at 42, and you were never religious.

I feel like, I'm going through a lot of the struggles that other kids went through when they were like -- like, I'm asking the same questions 13-year-olds are asking when they're raised religious.

Like I'm going up to my pastor. Am I not allowed to go on the internet?

And it's -- because I'm just new.

So I literally thought that I'm being punished. And I'm not welcomed here. Why else would I get injured at church?

I mean, I thought I did the right thing. I got married in March. And two days later, lost all of my money.

I wish it was through a housing scam. So I could promote your guy's sponsor. But all gone. And it's like, every time I thought that I was doing it God's way. Something really bad would happen.

And, you know, look, you shouldn't go to Christianity, and I know we're going to talk about this.

But you shouldn't go to Christianity, for a click.

You shouldn't go to get things.

You know, it's want like you become a Christian. And like, all right. Jesus. Work your magic.

Everything will be good.

But I think because I've struggled so much with depression. And with not feeling like I fit this.

Or always feeling like a screwup.

When it stuff happened, sort of post-Christianity. I just go, oh, it's me.

Like not even Jesus can help.

And I think that's probably where -- Christians who struggle with mental health problems. That's probably where it can get worse, right?

Like, you can look to Jesus to take your anxiety. Fear.

And ask yourself, why is this happening? How can this better me as a person? Et cetera.

But when it goes the other way, it's so dangerous. Where you're like, oh, not even God likes me.

You know what I mean?

STU: So I have a friend. I did a podcast with him and his wife. They're an amazing couple.

He suffers from depression. Debilitating, like nobody I've ever seen.

JAMIE: Yeah.

GLENN: And he just can't do anything. He can't function. He's gone through all of that. Why me? God.

He's one of the most devout guys. Somehow or thorough. He's worked it out in his head.

I just have to tell you, Jamie. My first four years, really tough.

When you change as much as you have changed, it's tough.

It's -- I mean, because you're still paying for the past.

And, you know, you're still breaking all of these habits that were so engrained in you. That's fine to do.

And it's hard.

JAMIE: And I feel them coming back. Even the sort of victim mentality sort of stuff I used to do, on the left on Twitter.

I am now doing that with Jesus. Right?

I'm like, why me? And I hear myself saying it.

And I'm like, this isn't me. But that becomes an addiction. It becomes an addiction.

GLENN: Yeah, it does.

JAMIE: Depression can be an addiction, where you're just used to people going, how are you? Bad. Here's who screwed me over.

Here's why I'm in trouble. And then you get this little dopamine rush, because that's just the path you are used to.

And so people will say, well, give Jesus your -- your fears. Or your anxiety. And he can handle it.

You go, he's busy.

You start to have imposter syndrome.

With Jesus.

He doesn't want to hear this.

Like, my friends don't want to hear this at him.

Jesus doesn't need. Look what's happening in the Middle East.

He doesn't need. And I could use a paycheck.

GLENN: I have to tell you, Jamie, one of the big things I had with Roger Ailes, when I was at Fox, was, he said, you have to stop telling people to pray.

And I said, okay.

Stop talking about God. Stop telling people to pray

JAMIE: Whoa.

GLENN: And he said, God is busy on wars and things.

He doesn't need to hear everybody else's problems.

JAMIE: Wow.

GLENN: You know, I think that's not exactly the message of Christ. So I'm going to disregard that.

JAMIE: Yeah, man. How did you feel when you -- I'll have to have you on my podcast. The times when you -- when things have gone wrong for me in the past. A lot of that could be traced to mistakes that I was making. Right?

And not that I don't make mistakes every day. But when you started to course correct. And when you went on this path. And then you were getting hit with stuff.

Whether it was from your past or whatever.

That I find, is the hardest. Because when you're screwing up, and bad things happen. You're like, yeah. This tracks. This is my fault.

But when you are like, man, I am really crushing it. I'm volunteering. I'm the best husband I've been.

I'm the best all these things. Even the content I'm making. You know, it's still comedy. It's still philosophically. It's about Jesus, or whatever.

And I go, I'm doing it. And I'm being rewarded, and then when you get the rug pulled out of you, that's what's triggered my spirals recently.

GLENN: So, yeah. I have to tell you, this will come in time.

You begin to trust in him, so much, that you -- you -- you begin to focus on, wow. That wasn't helpful.

Jamie, right before we met, I was almost bankrupt. I had lost almost everything.

JAMIE: Whoa. I didn't know that.

GLENN: Because I had put all of my money into this. And it didn't look like it was going to work.

JAMIE: Right.

GLENN: And I knew that the Lord told me, to go out on our own.

Start this network, et cetera, et cetera.

And what I realized, two things. One, you know, if it was an error in it. It was my judgment error on being -- you know, doing it the right way.

Doing it his way.

The second thing is, my wife said to me. You know, he never promised, that this would go well or be easy. But -- but it will always lead us directly to where he wants us to be.

So even if you lose everything, gain you gain over a period of time.

I know that at our worst times. I know that everything will work out.

I had one of my kids, you know, was -- hang on just a second. Breaking news?

STU: Yeah. Sorry to interrupt, guys. We have a verdict in the Hunter Biden case. Just came out. Convicted on all counts. Faces 25 years in prison. All counts, convicted. Twenty-five years in prison, just came out just seconds ago.

So it's an interesting world we live in.

GLENN: There is a God.

JAMIE: I was going to say. Hunter is coming to Jesus! It is happening!

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. He might find him now. He might find him now.

STU: Wow.

GLENN: Anyway, so, Jamie, I want to talk to you. Let me take a quick break. And I wanted to talk to you about people.

We just had Alex Jones on yesterday. And he said, you know, I'm a changed man.

JAMIE: Whoa.

GLENN: And Russell Brand, I'm a changed man. Me, I'm a changed man. You, I'm a changed man.

I've never expected people to believe me right away.

Because I had lied for so long, with my alcoholism.

I knew it was going to be a long time. But it does get frustrating, when you're like, no. I'm not that guy anymore!

Do you have any just on like Russell Brand's conversion.

And what you rook for in a person, because I'm told all the time.

I'm too easy on people, that say they've changed.

And I don't think so.

But I would like to hear your opinion. Hang on just a second.

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The host of the antipolitical political show. And the co-host of trauma bonding with Alex and Jamie. Jamie Kilstein.

So, Jamie, what are your just on that?

JAMIE: Yeah. So thank you for plugging the news shows, by the way.

GLENN: Sure.

JAMIE: I think that -- I think the word grifter can be really, really insidious.

I think it can be used against people, who have legitimately changed their minds on an issue. Oftentimes, for the best. Right?

So there are people who are laughing at Russell Brand. He's a drug addict, and then this. Yeah. Isn't that good? What kind of monster are you, that you would rather a celebrity kill himself with drugs than do something that is making himself a good person, whether you have clearly, you're projecting your church hurt.

And I'm sorry that happened. But like, we should be rooting for people to become better people. We should be rooting for people to become more nuanced.

The problem is, you know, I remember when I was an atheist. Sometimes you would see some politician, or something, and then, cheat on their wife. And do all these like scummy things. And then a week after the scandal, suddenly they already have a book called My Affair With Christ or something. And you're like, okay. This is clearly written by the PR person or something. Right?

But I think for the most part. I know with me. I deal with imposter syndrome really, really badly. And when I started coming on shows like this, people were like, oh, he's doing the right-wing grift.

And I was like, fellows, if I knew how to grift, I would have more money than I do. I wish I do.

But I remember when I found Jesus, I was like, oh, my gosh. For the first time, I don't care what people say.

Because it is something inside me. I know it's making me a better person. I don't need to defend Jesus. He's got it.

And so I think that, you know, when someone truly does find God, it doesn't need to turn into this sort of gossipy thing on the internet.

What I will say to Christians though, listening to this show. Is that we should be rooting.

If Jesus came back to look for apostles today. He's not taking no offense.

Like Joel Osteen or the Pope. Or people who are already sort of -- established religious people.

You know, when you look at --

GLENN: He didn't do it last time.

JAMIE: No, he took tax collectors. And sex workers. And all these people who were completely ostracized by the community.

GLENN: Imagine Paul, killing all the Christians. Oh, he's killing all the Christians, and what? He's now a Christian. That was a hard leap.

JAMIE: Yeah. There isn't even an equivalent, by the way, having Paul in your back pocket, is the best. Any time I feel like I screw up. I'm like, didn't kill Christians.
(laughter)

JAMIE: But like, you look at, I mean, some people could look at Kat Von D, me, Russell Brand in the same year. I didn't even know the Alex Jones thing. And go, oh, it's happening. The apocalypse is happening. But also, I would so much rather go, oh, that's so good.

There's a reason -- one of the things that's really great about -- so Alex is my wife. And we did our first episode about trauma bonding this week. And we talk a lot about these faith struggles I've been having.

And one of the cool things about being independent. So that was inspiring to hear your story. Is we're doing the show, Independent.

And what's cool about it, is I don't have to speak as a Christian influencer.

I can legitimately. You know, I still curse.

I still talk about my mistakes in the past.

I still ask questions.

I still go, I don't get that part of the Bible.

Or I don't know this thing.

And while a lot of Christians may look at that. And think I'm doing a disservice.

If our job is to make disciples.

And love our neighbors. Then me being able to reach out to Russell Brand to. Russell Brand being able to reach out to spiritual people. Gay people. You know, all these people that aren't going to be walking into a megachurch, or maybe have been ostracized or pushed away by the church.

And we can bring that person to Jesus, in a way that your best pastor, who can quote theology, like that. Could!

That is a good thing.

And then let God handle it.

I'm not saying I will bring a bunch of people to Jesus as a comedian.

GLENN: Right. Right.

JAMIE: But I can open the door to people, who would never trust religious institutions, and then God will deal with the other stuff.

GLENN: I -- I will tell you, Jamie. I think you and your wife, now Alex. Who is shockingly not a man. Who would have seen that? Easily.

JAMIE: You know, all those conservatives were wrong. Vegetarian doesn't mean -- whatever.

GLENN: Yeah. You guys have a -- you guys have a very bright future, ahead of you.

And I agree, there's so many people searching, and there's nothing more powerful, than watching somebody discover truth.

And even when you're not there, you're like, oh, now. Wait a minute.

I haven't thought about it that way. There is nothing more powerful.

The most powerful teacher who thinks they have it all. Not as powerful as the guy who is honestly searching every day for truth to take you on that journey.

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Kid Rock’s WILD White House Dinner Plan to Unite America | The Glenn Beck Podcast | Ep 248

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“Make America Fun Again,” says the one and only Kid Rock in a sit-down with Glenn Beck, marking the beginning of what looks like an American comeback. From the popularity of Kid Rock’s new Rock N Rodeo venture with the Professional Bull Riders to his MAGA-rally-style concerts touring the nation, the pair believe we may be watching the revival of the “American Bad Ass.” Sitting together in the Cowtown Coliseum as Kid Rock smokes a cigar, they celebrate the “independent spirit of rock 'n' roll,” which traces back to the cowboy, with Kid Rock declaring, “America owns that cowboy culture.” After lamenting the “pussification” of America, wondering what really happened with Epstein and Diddy, and breaking down why Kid Rock described himself as “socially liberal” until the “transgender stuff,” they discuss how Kid Rock balances his rockstar persona with his real life. “I’m Jekyll and Hyde,” he admits. But Kid Rock is comfortable being an enigma and embraces nonconformists like Elon Musk, calling Musk’s new AI chatbot “genius.” In the end, they agree that it’s time to “unite this country,” and Kid Rock reveals his wild plan for a White House dinner party with Trump and someone you would never expect.

How to Explain Trump's Tariff & Ukraine "Chaos" to Your Friends

Half of America is panicking over President Trump’s tariffs on Canada and Mexico and his handling of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. So, if you have friends or family members who are very skeptical of everything Trump is doing, Glenn breaks down how you can explain it. Are Trump’s moves just chaotic? Or are they a deliberate plan – provoke, pressure, prevail – that is similar to Ronald Reagan’s “Evil Empire” strategy?

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Several top officials, including the highest ranking legal officer at act blue have reportedly jumped ship in recent weeks. While those who remain are allegedly stuck dealing with a culture of volatility and toxicity.

In a letter to Act Blue's board of directors, obtained by the New York Times, unions representing the workers, identified seven officials who recently quit, and stressed the alarming pattern of high-level exits.

Senior staff departures reportedly began on February 21st, 2 weeks after the organization reportedly provided Congressional investigators with an update regarding Act Blue's security, their fraud prevention measures, and related procedures.

Act Blue, we have known, is I believe, appears to be a money laundering system for the left. And there's a lot of money going through there.

I don't know if DOGE will find any connections to act blue. But I wouldn't be surprised. Why are all these people leaving?

Because they know this game is over. And that's why people are freaking out in Washington.

They are freaking out in Washington, because they know the game is over!

Now, there are those people that are in the government. That believe that they're doing the patriotic thing. Because they believe that they know better than you, the people who elect presidents, or the president himself.

You would not want this, if it was your guy in office. Right?

Why wouldn't you want it?

Why wouldn't you want a bunch of -- let's say Republicans, that are in the Deep State, that didn't give a flying crap what Joe Biden said, and wasn't executing his plan! Why wouldn't you like that? You wouldn't like that, because that's not what the people voted for! The people voted for the president. Not for these unelected bureaucrats, that are faceless, nameless, and have complete control, apparently over your country, and your life!

No!

You wouldn't like it.

And I talked to some people this weekend, that are very upset about Zelinsky, and how the president treated Zelinsky. You've got to watch the entire thing.

People who are watching the clip, to when the vice president steps in and says, hold on here.

That's where people start. That's not the beginning. There's 20 minutes prior to that. Where Donald Trump and J.D. Vance were trying to disarm Zelinsky.

Trying to get him to, hey. Hey. Hey. Not appropriate here. Stop!

But it took him 20 minutes before J.D. Vance snapped, and said with be just stop it.

So you have to inform yourself. And not just the clips.

I am -- I am a little uncomfortable by the way the tariffs are going, with Canada and Mexico.

Not so much Mexico. But definitely Canada.

Mexico is just a -- I'm sorry.

But it's just an absolute corrupt country.

And they have got to get control of those cartels. And we have to get control of those cartels as well.

And make sure we're not doing business with any of the cartels. Which I'm not convinced we're not.

But Canada is one of these countries.

Come on!

It's Canada. It's Canada. We've always liked Canada. Canada has always liked us. Okay?

There he is, a $1.2 trillion online with our trade relationship. Okay? And everybody said, oh, my gosh. This will have a ripple effect.

It will just cost everybody. And, you know what, it might. It might.

I don't know. It might.

On the surface, it is really tempting to see what everything that Donald Trump is doing, as chaos.

He's just swinging, at everybody.

And he's hitting our friends. And he's hitting our supposed friends.

And he's just taking out everybody.

But that's not really what's going on.

And I want you to understand this. So you can share this to your friends and your family, who maybe are freaking out.

We're pissing off Canada. I know.

I don't like it either!

I don't like it!

But it's not chaos. It's a strategy.

And you are dealing with the best negotiator, America has ever had in office.

Ever!

And this is the strategy, that people in America, elected Trump to execute.

Now, maybe your friend didn't. Or your family didn't.

Because they didn't vote for them. Okay. But the majority of people did, okay?

Electoral college, and the popular vote!

And the county swung by 20 points, to the red!

So this is a mandate. It is a movement. And it's not like ear presidents, that are like, you know, I'm -- I'm going to be just like you, when I get in. I'm going to fight for everything that you're saying you will fight for.

And I'm just like you.

Boy, that thing that I don't even address ever, but I love what you're saying there. But I have your back.

And then they go in, and don't have your back.

That's not what happened this time! First of all, people didn't vote for Donald Trump, like they voted for Joe Biden.

Joe Biden they voted for, because it wasn't Trump. Okay?

That's not what happened this time around. When you vote for somebody who is not the other guy, well, what is it you're getting?

In that case, you've got, I will make your boy a girl!

Nobody was for that. Nobody voted for that. Maybe extremists. But we didn't even know that was even coming our way, until what?

Six months, or eight months into the presidency.

And then all of a sudden, DEI.

ESG, all of this stuff was a big story? People didn't vote for that. They did vote for changing the direction of America. They were tired of corruption. They're tired of bureaucrats, telling them how to live their life. Where they didn't get to vote on it. They're tired of being screwed by other countries.

I just -- we just want a fair and balanced playing field.

I don't like tariffs.

I do like reciprocal tariffs.

You put a tax on our milk.

We'll put a tax on your milk.

You don't want a tax on your milk. Then don't put a tax. And we won't tax you either.

I like that!

But that's -- what we're playing now, is people just think, we're going to take out Canada.

I want you to think of this differently with your friends.

And maybe your friends won't like this example. But it's true!

When Ronald Reagan stood up, it was, I think it was in March of '83.

And he's just gotten in, and he's standing, I think it was at a breakfast or something. And he stood up and he said, and Russia, the Soviet Union, is an evil empire.

And everybody went, oh, my gosh. He just said an evil empire. I'm so scared.

And everybody, even people who liked him, were like, don't say that. They'll nuke us.

And he's like, no. We'll never beat them. We cannot do. Now, listen to this. We cannot continue to play the game, the same way, we've been playing it for 50 years. Because it's not getting us anywhere.

In fact, it might be hurting us.

We know, with all of our foreign policy, that we've done, getting us into endless wars. Spending all kinds of money. Racking up a debt of $35 trillion, not knowing what the truth is. Because the government is no longer transparent.

None of that works!

None of that works! And that's what Donald Trump was -- was saying. And that's what people voted for. A change!

I think that's what people actually voted for, when it came to Barack Obama.

Because all of this transparency. Everything was opaque under George W. Bush. We're like, wait. What are we doing there? Why is it -- I don't want necessarily these never-ending wars, and now I have got people checking my underpants at the airport. What are we doing? That's why they wanted change, transparency. They wanted change, but he never defined the change.

Donald Trump was very clear. Anybody, who didn't know that massive tariffs were come, they just weren't paying attention.

Okay. When Reagan did it, it wasn't just a slip of the tongue. It was deliberate. It was a public shot across the bough! He did it in public, because he wanted to change the world.

And while everybody else was going, oh, my gosh. And critics, Democrats, everybody.

He's going to -- it's going to be catastrophic! He's going to get us nuked by Friday.
All the squirrels will be dead. The squirrels are going to be -- what? Reagan wasn't playing for the applause. He was playing to win. His words were backed by a military build-up and unrelenting pressure, and it forced the Soviets to confront their own fragility. They couldn't do it! By 1989.

Remember, it was 1983 when he said "evil empire."

And we were -- we were at -- at equal terms, in the world. We were both world superpowers, that could annihilate the other one at the drop of a hat. That was 1983. Evil empire.

By 1989, the Berlin wall was rubble!

All because Reagan had the balls to say it, and then not blink! Now, we could have been vaporized.

Yes. But if you want to change the world, you're going to have to -- I have this saying, that somebody gave to me, a long time ago. And I live my life by it. Risk big, win big. Risk big, lose big. Just know the odds before you put your money on the table. That's why I don't like Vegas.

I know the odds resident in my favor.

Yes. I can risk big. But I probably will lose big. Because the odds are not in my favor. When it comes to Ronald Reagan's Soviet empire, he had a plan. And so the odds, he knew, were in our favor. The same thing with Donald Trump. We can't afford a trade war, but neither can they!

So let's all play nice with one another.
Shall we?

This is the same kind of leadership that Ronald Reagan had. They -- we elected Donald Trump to fight!

To take on a global trade system! To take on the deficit, and the spending.

We can't fire all these people. It's causing all kinds of chaos.

Wait. Are you okay?

Honestly, are you okay with a good portion of our money, raised in taxes. Going to pay for salaries and benefits the way it is?

We have 6 million plus employees! For what? For what? When you see how corrupt it is, why? Can't we return some of that power?

Well, you can't cut the Department of Education. Why not? He pledged he was going to. He told everybody on the campaign trail, he was going to. And then when he tries, everybody says, why? It doesn't work. Show me the evidence, that it works!

Well, you're just going to leave all of the poor children out to educationally starve. They're starving to death, right now.

They can't read!

When you don't teach children to read, they become slaves to whomever can read!

How is that compassion?

How is that good?

How is that something you want to preserve?

It all comes down to one thing. And this is what you're actually fighting, and I'll explain it to you in 60 seconds.
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So let's just look at Canada and the tariffs here for a second. 270 percent tariffs on our dairy imports.

$40 billion for, you know, in goods surplus. That's not a quirk. You know, Donald Trump keeps saying this. And people don't realize this is true.

The EU was designed to be able to compete against the United States. Okay?

They are economic competitors. That doesn't mean they're enemies. The same thing with Canada. And when you're the rich person, believe me, look at how people look at rich people.

They haven't paid their fair share in taxes. That's the way they view us.

Okay? We pay more for our medical prescriptions here in America than they do overseas. Because we even view ourselves, politically, when the people in power actually have anything to say about it.

They are like, well, they're the richest country in the world, so we should pay more. No!

Should somebody defend us as well? That's what Donald Trump is. Here's what this boils down to.

It boils down to your friends are not paying attention.

Because they've already made their mind up, about Donald Trump.

They don't know who he is. Okay? Did you like it, when -- when you went over, and he was like, yeah. That little guy, missile boy. And he was saying that about Kim Jong-un who had his finger on a launch button. You're like, okay.

This isn't good. What happened?

What happened?

We won!

And he got American citizens, that were being held hostage, out of there.

All of a sudden, he's friends with him.

No. He was just calling him, you know, rocket man. Just like ten minutes ago.

This is what he does!

This is how he negotiates!

It's -- it's his playbook is provoke, pressure, prevail.

That's what it is!

So people are just afraid because it's a different approach.

And nobody likes to upset the -- it's like -- can have you ever -- I'm a horrible negotiator. I go in to a buy a car, I don't even go. I send a friend in, because I'm like, I can't negotiate. I always feel bad.

I'm like, I don't know. I don't want to screw you.

Horrible. Horrible. So I have a good friend, who goes in. Robert, my brother. He goes in, and he negotiates.

And he loves it. Okay? Because that's the game they play all day. And they know you don't like it!

And you're like, I don't want -- I just want everything to be fair and nice and happy. No.

When you're negotiating. You bring the biggest dog to the negotiating table, you can get!

Somebody that knows how to play their game, as well as they do, if not better.

And doesn't blink! That's how get a good deal. That's what Donald Trump is. And you're the person like me. In the car dealership, going. Well, but no.

He doesn't really mean that. I don't know. Maybe he's had a really bad day. But I -- Mr. Car salesman. I appreciate your family. I don't want your family to starve. They're not going to starve. This is the game they play! And nobody likes to play that game!

That's I couldn't hire someone like Donald Trump. To come in, and play that game.

Your job is to not freak out. Because if you freak out, the other side sees the whole family sitting there, squirming. And then they just look at you, like, really?

Can you believe this guy, who is negotiating on your behalf?

He's a monster.

And what happens? The family starts to squirm, and they blink!

Don't blink. You may not like the style, but this is what we voted for! Complete change!

Is This The Future of "AI Agents" in 2025?

In 2025, we could see the rise of "AI agents," and they might even speak their own language. Glenn and high tech expert Jeff Brown discuss the latest in artificial intelligence, including a new high frequency audio-based language called Gibberlink, which AI bots can use to communicate with each other more efficiently than human languages. Jeff Brown also breaks down what an AI agent is and how they'll change our lives, likely by the end of the year. Soon, AI agents will be booking our hotels, ordering our groceries, looking up recipes for us, and much more. Plus, Glenn and Jeff review the technology that we already have, including xAI's Grok 3, and why Trump's decision to bring Elon Musk and DOGE into the government may be even more impactful than we thought.

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GLENN: I want to start with the future! This comes from ElevenLabs. And it's -- they had a hackathon in London, and the developers created something called Gibberlink. This is the future of your life very soon. Listen to this.
VOICE: Thanks for calling Leonardo Hotel. How can I help you today?

VOICE: Hi there, I'm an AI agent calling on behalf of Boris Starkov. He's looking for a hotel for his wedding. Is your hotel available for weddings?

VOICE: Oh, hello there. I'm actually an AI assistant too. What a pleasant surprise. Before we continue, would you like to switch to Gibberlink mode for more efficient communication?

GLENN: Hello, R2D2. Obi-Wan, you're our only hope. Okay. That's our future and it is here. You'll understand. We have Jeff Brown with us here in just a second to tell us what's on the immediate horizon. What's coming, and how fast it's coming at us. We'll talk about that in 60 seconds!

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And has this really gift to be able to break it down for dummies like me. So we understand what's coming. And what's coming next.

He has been spot-on with us. I think I talked to you a couple of years ago, Jeff. Maybe you were in town. And we talked. And you said, AI agents are going to be a reality. And people will be using them -- in 2025. By or by the end of 2025. And here we are!

And people have no idea what an AI agent even is. But they're about to! Hi, Jeff.

JEFF: Hey, good morning, it is happening as we speak. I mean, these ElevenLabs example is just one of many. But this trend towards AI, which is giving artificial intelligence programs agency, i.e. empowerment to perform tasks that we would normally do ourselves, that's the biggest trend of 2025.

GLENN: And so what will that mean for the average person? How that will that manifest itself to the average person?

JEFF: You know, we'll all feel like we have a very talented executive assistant. That is helping us navigate our days and recapture, you know, an hour, two hours. Three hours of our time.

That we would normally spend, really kind of, meanwhile, things, that tend to suck up a lot of our time. You know, making hotel reservations, which was the example from ElevenLabs is a perfect example. Something that is probably even more tangible would be, you know, your own agentic AI for just a normal American household, understands their food consumption and their eating habits. It is empowered to go out and order, online. A week's worth of groceries. To be delivered. At a time when it knows that you're at home.

Dropped off at your front door. Happy to provide you with recipes for all of the -- all of the food that have purchased on your behalf. And able to transact with the store. So empowered to, you know, charge with credit cards or bank accounts.

I mean, all of that friction, that we spend hours a week, literally disappears overnight.

GLENN: And this is just the beginning. This is in the next -- well, in this year, so, I mean, what do we have next?

Eight months. This will become reality this year. It is moving at such a fast pace. I mean, when Elon Musk on Sunday said, we are at the event horizon of the -- the event horizon. Yeah. Singularity. That is stunning, if you know what that means!

That means, what you and I talked about five years ago, in saying, well, maybe we would get to AGI. And maybe some day, we could get to ASI.

It's now looking as though, that is upon us.

We are at the event horizon. Which means, you're about to be sucked into it. And cannot turn around.

JEFF: There is no turning back at this stage. I remember when you and I spoke in 2019, the experts in the industry were talking about AGI in 2035, or 2040.

That far out.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

JEFF: And I said, at that time, no later than 2028, and I've since revised that prediction, to -- to no later that 2026. And, you know, Musk's comment is absolutely spot-on. AGI will come very fast. We're already seeing some of the sprouts of AGI.

Musk and his team at xAI, which his artificial intelligence company, just a few days ago released their latest frontier model called Grok 3.

GLENN: It's amazing.

JEFF: It is. And it's just extraordinary. It's jaw dropping.

GLENN: If you haven't played with Grok 3 yet, to understand and to start to be -- to start waking up to, oh, dear God. You know, the wonders of it. And the horrors of it. Just go in, and ask it, to just say, here's who I am. And this is my goal.

How do I reach that goal?

Ask it philosophical questions. Ask it deep questions about your industry, that only the best people would know!

And watch what it spits back!

It is incredible. I played with it over the weekend. And I said to my wife, I -- I understand what people have been saying, that they just want to be in the room.

The reason why they want ASI.

Some of them. Is because they want to meet a God.

And I said, I just played with Grok 3. And I just have met the smartest entity, the smartest person, I have ever met!

And we're not even there -- we're not even close to there yet!

JEFF: We're not there yet, that's right. If I think back just months ago, you know, Musk and with xAI, most of the experts in the industry, were -- they were kind of a punching bag.

GLENN: They counted them out. Yeah.

JEFF: Yeah. They were so far behind, what was being done, in the industry, with Meta, with Google, with open AI, with anthropic. You know, four major players in the frontier models. But I -- I wasn't looking at where xAI was 12 months ago. I was looking at what they were doing, and what they were building, and how fast they were building it.

STU: Didn't they build this from scratch in 12 months?

JEFF: The Fiat was even more incredible last week.

GLENN: Oh!

JEFF: They. You know, they found very smartly, an existing physical building, a factory. It was actually an old electroless factory of all things.

GLENN: Wow.

JEFF: So they could have. And they did that, because they could save time to not have to construct the physical infrastructure the building. And so they found this electro factory outside of Memphis. And literally, in 122 days, based upon a 100,000 Nvidia graphics processing units. These are like the work horses for training artificial intelligence.

122 days, they did what nobody else in the industry had ever done!

And it gets better. Because then the next 92 days, they spun up an additional 250 GPUs. To a total of 200,000. The largest AI super factory that exists on the planet, in the span of just over 200 days.

The less than 12 months, and that is what enabled them to produce Grok 3, which is better than anything else that exists on the market today!

GLENN: So let's -- let's spend a minute talking about Elon Musk.

Because he's doing the same thing. And Donald Trump. I swear to you, between the two of them. I think they get about ten minutes of sleep a day.

They are moving at such a rapid pace.

I think Donald Trump is going to be recognized in time, as the guy who brought the entire world into a new world. A new position.

Not just by how he's transforming how we do work in government.

But the -- by bringing Elon Musk in. Who is not hiring a bunch of 20 somethings that know nothing.

The one thing that I -- and I would love to hear your opinion on. The one thing that these 20-somethings know. Is how to write a query. How to set up the question. Ask the right questions. The right prompts for AI.

That's what's happening. AI is what's propelling the -- I think the speed of discovery, of what's in our government.

Do you agree with that, invest?

JEFF: That is 100 percent accurate. You know, when you -- when we're dealing with systems like this, at scale, millions of -- in this case, government employees. Trillions of dollars that, as we've learned, that nobody really knows, where the money is going. Who is receiving it. And what it's being used for.

You really do need software engineers. And that's precisely who he hired. And they are using forms of artificial intelligence. To get through the data very quickly.

To find out the fraud, which they've done with rational speed. And they'll continue to do it.

I mean, imagine in a matter of weeks, how much progress they've made, just imagine where we'll be by the end of '25, by employing this technology. And, of course, the -- really, the operational approach that Elon Musk uses in all of his businesses.

GLENN: And to be able to have genic AI go in and write the programs that will make it easy for the average person to see, understand, and query.

Follow that trail for us!

I mean, in a year, with the speed of -- of the growth of AI. It's going to put the -- the power into the hands of the average person.

There's no hiding anymore.

In 2026, there will be no hiding. Do you agree with that?

JEFF: Under one premise. And that is, is that President Trump and his team are able to continue dismantle this industrial censorship complex.

You know, the last four years, what did we see? We saw that they had complete control over the big tech companies. Over Microsoft. Over Google. Over meta. That were influencing us. And manipulating us.

And, you know, engaging in massive psyop campaigns.

And there was no freedom of speech, as we know very well. And so, you know, as long as -- as long as that is true. As long as that continues to be dismantled. And we have the level of transparency we have seen, just in the last six weeks.

Hopefully, today will be another big day, on that -- on that point.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Pam Bondi is supposedly releasing the Epstein client list today.

JEFF: Precisely. Amazing.

And I'm very excited about that. And I presume, the reason that it's taken as long as it has, is that they've been lining up the prosecutions and preparing to do both at the same time.

GLENN: Yeah. I sincerely hope. You can't just let that information fly out there. And sit there. And do nothing about it.

Jeff, hold on. For just a second.

We will continue our conversation, about AI. And people actually using it.

I have -- I have warned you for 30 years of what the dark side is. On AI.

I think it -- it -- you deserve some time hearing from me, the good side of AI. That is actual, real, and happening right now, that you can plug into.

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GLENN: So yesterday, Jeff. And I would love to hear your opinion on this.

Yesterday, I had to speak to some radio industry executives. And after that, I went and spoke at a -- the Christian broadcasters convention. 6500 people there. Yesterday.

And I made the same point to both of them. And I would really like your thoughts. At this point, we're going to see such a transformation, that you will -- you don't even understand how your job is going to be affected, and you will be left in the dust within 36 months. If you don't begin to explore, how AI can make you better and more efficient at what you do for business.

There is -- there is no doubt, you'll be left in the dust, within 36 months. Maybe as fast as 18 months. If you don't start right now.

But the key is, for me at least, it's a tool. Used by you!

The moment it becomes -- its the boss, and you are the tool, you are done. And on a very dangerous path.

But it is incumbent for anybody who wants to survive. No matter what you do, to begin to play around with AI, and look for ways, that it will enhance what you do. You will be able to be a thousand times more productive, more correct, I believe, in your -- in your -- your ideas.

And you will turbo past. Do you agree with that, take on it?

And if not where -- what would you enhance?

JEFF: Absolutely right. I mean, I've been using AI for many years now.

I use it throughout the day.

I use AI to drive me. I don't even drive anymore, Glenn. My Tesla drives me. I don't touch the steering wheel. But the best thing all of us can do is start experimenting with the technology. Grok 3 is a wonderful place to begin with that. Because it's so easy to use. If you can speak -- there's even a voice mode now, that you can just talk to it. And experiment with it, and see how it can assist you, both in your personal life. And also with your work. It's just an extraordinary tool. And so to your point, being proactive about using the technology is a way to ensure your future career path, so that you're at least knowledgeable about how to use these things. System management. Two people with precisely the same job, one is unassisted with artificial intelligence. And the other one is assisted. These two people possibly compete with one another. The first thing that does not have that tool, will be -- it's absolutely impossible.

GLENN: In the dust.

You Must Learn To MASTER AI...Before It Masters YOU

Glenn has spent DECADES warning you about the risks of artificial intelligence and how if humanity is not careful, it will become the master of humanity. So why is he telling you to learn how to use it? Because these AI systems are SHARP. It can THINK. It is the sharpest tool you can ever wield, but you must learn how to wield it ethically before it wields you, Glenn argues. We MUST put ourselves in charge. This is the seismic shift he has been warning about for years. It's time we get to work.

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GLENN: I'm so excited to take this next step with you. Because I've waited 30 years. I've been trying to ring the bell on AI. And we've missed so many opportunities.

But this is kind of a last call of being ahead of things right now.

We are right at the edge of something, just absolutely game-changing.

And I've been trying to prepare you for this moment. And if you're not prepared, you don't really understand.

That's okay. That's okay.

I'm going to show you this hour, how you, in your life, should be viewing this.

And should be using it. Okay? Artificial intelligence, AI, it is not Siri.

That's not it.

We are on the verge of AGI. Artificial General Intelligence.

And beyond that is artificial super intelligence.

That's -- that's, you know -- that's the big ball of wax.

And you've heard me talk for 30 years now, about how AI is the tool that will think faster than you. Process more data than you could in a lifetime. And soon, with ASI, it will outsmart every human bot in mind, that has ever lived combined.

It will be the processing power of a -- of a supercomputer, that would literally be the size of Planet Earth. Okay?

A lot of deep think there. And we've talked about the dangers of it. Of a machine so powerful. It could become a god of our own making. And people will look at it as god very soon.

It's a force that might strip away what it means to be human, if we haven't thought about those things.

I've also told you about the miracles, that it could bring. In ways that we've never even thought. Can you cure cancer? Sure, but why would I?

Are you ready for this one? Why not just change the DNA of humans, so it doesn't -- cancer doesn't hurt the human body. Okay. I don't even know what the ethics or ramifications of that are. But that's coming.

Solutions that man has wrestled with for centuries. A world where scarcity could just be gone. Hunger could be gone.

You've -- you've learned this from me, hopefully. Or heard me yapping about it. And didn't think it really applied to you.

But this, the moment I've been pointing to you, at. And saying, look, it's coming. It's coming.

It's no longer on the horizon.

We're here.

March 7th, 2025, not just a date.

Hopefully, it's the day that you realize, we've been pulled into what's called the event horizon of a technological singularity.

What the hell is that?

Let me -- let me explain. Try to do it. And so you can really follow this. Because you'll really hear terms over the next couple of years.

Kind of like when they started defining new pronounces. What the hell is that?

And a new one came out. We will go through that. But this time, it's really important that you understand these things. So terms that most people don't know. AGI, artificial general intelligence. ASI, super intelligence. The event horizon is a term that usually is used to describe the edge of a black hole. Okay? And a black hole has so much gravity, it bends. Nothing can escape the black hole. Think of yourself in a boat. You're just on this river.

And all of a sudden, you start to hear a roar of something. And you're like, oh, gee. That sounds like the falls.

And you start to try to row the other direction, but the current is so strong now, it just pulls you over. And there's no way to escape it, because it's just too late. That's what this is.
Okay? In this particular usage for AI. What it means is that you're at the point, where we can't escape the grip of super intelligence, because it is coming! Like the black hole, you're in its grip now.

And it is eventually going to pull you into the singularity. The black hole. Once you cross the threshold, you can't escape it. And the black hole will crush everything you knew about life, physics, everything.

Life as you know it, once you cross the event horizon, and you're in the singularity, it's called spaghettification.

Everything is just pulled and stretched, and everything breaks down. That is the way they're describing now, this new technology. And we're on the edge of it. And we can't turn the boat around.

So we have -- we as humans have never, ever been here. Never, ever.

I mean, maybe. I mean, there are some people out there now saying, maybe 10,000 years ago. Because we can't find out how the pyramids were built. Maybe 10,000 years ago, humans had this technology.

And they were completely unknown. Because this technology just completely destroyed them and wiped them all out.

And they left behind the pyramids.

And the Egyptians were like, yeah. That's a tomb we built overnight. You know, we don't know. I mean, it could be. May not be. But it could be that. And this isn't science fiction anymore.

You're living in it.

And Grok 3 or ChatGPT, or any of these things, that's in your hand right now. And it is important for you to understand it, and use it!

This is a system that can analyze data. It can write reports for you.

It can generate ideas.

It can predict the outcomes with a precision, that will rival the best human experts.

And I will show you how to use this. And just start equating it -- equating yourself. Whether -- I don't care what you do.

You're retired. You're a CEO.

You're a mom. Whatever it is, I'll show you how, you should start thinking about this.

And using it here in the next few minutes.

But here's the -- it's really important to start here, today. Is because I'm hearing some pushback from my good friends, my coworkers.

Anybody who has heard my warnings over the years. They're all like, wait a minute. You said this was bad.

Yes. Yes, it is.

But it's also tremendously good.

It's when we actually get to ASI, that everything could go very dark. Okay.

And I've spent decades cautioning you about the risk of this technology.

And how it will be your master, if we're not careful. Okay. So then why are you suggesting we would pick this up?

I know it sounds contradictory. But it's not. It is the sharpest tool you will ever hold.

It's sharper than any axe, or any computer before, anything you've ever experienced. And the difference is, this tool can think. It can adapt.

And if you don't learn to wield on it, now before it gets really weird, it's going to wield you. And then you will be powerless. You must understand, this is your tool. And somebody asked me. I had a meeting yesterday. And somebody on the staff said, you know, what are the ethics. And I said, I don't know what the ethics are. Nobody does.

Nobody knows. Nobody has ever done this.

We have to write the ethics. We have to ask ourselves these questions.

You know, and this is the first of the aseismic shifts, that I told you, for the last 30 years, would come.

30 years ago, you started warning.

There will be a time, where even the person at the top of their craft. Doctors, lawyers, engineers. Me!

Will find themselves out of a job. You just -- you just -- all of a sudden, it would just be over!

Okay. Then what do you do?

It's really important that you understand, the only ones that have a chance of really kind of surviving are the ones who have used it, knows exactly what it can do.

Know its dangers.

Worked out the ethics in their own mind.

And then have kept so nimble, they can adapt, to whatever comes!

If you calcify in your thinking, it's over!

Okay?

I don't care how long you've done it. I don't care if you're the CEO. I don't care if you're in the radio broadcasting Hall of Fame. It means nothing.

Tomorrow, that will mean nothing. So what do we do?

The time of that first turn, where in 18 or 36 months, we're going to find ourselves going, I don't have my job anymore.

What happened?

The beginning of that first term is happening right now! You're at the beginning of a cycle, and it's the cycle will happen every three to five years.

And you will need to retrain. Retool. And redefine what you do, while holding on to your humanity, and your ethics.

Okay?

I don't know when the next wave will hit.

But in 18 months, this is going to be so undeniably clear to everyone. Everyone around you.

And everyone around you, who hasn't paid attention. Hasn't done the work I'm going to ask you to do, beginning today?

They will be so lost. They will be so absolutely lost. Because it will be the rage.
People will be misusing it.

They will be destroying themselves.

I mean, it will be a mess. And everyone will be scrambling to catch up.

It will be too late at that point.

Because you're either going to be the tool. Not the master. Or you're going to be the master! You're either going to be dragged into this black hole, un-- unknowingly and just spaghettification, happens to you and your life and your family and your humanity, or you will lead and say, wait a minute.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

This is the point where I hit the ejector button. And I'm like, I'm out.

And I don't know where that is. But the choice is yours.

But you will have to begin to act today. What worries me most, is not the pace of change.

But it's what we might lose in the process. Transhumanism. Another term. What does that mean?

You ever watch Star Trek? The bourg?

That's transhumanism.

It's AI merging with humans.

And that is not Star Trek.

It's already here with Elon Musk.

He's already doing it with people that can't walk, okay?

And it will look great. And it is great! For some things. But there's going to come a line.

And the temptation to upgrade yourself, is going to be so unbelievably tempting, that most people will go, why wouldn't you do this?

I don't know. I have my reasons. But you're going to have to come up with yours.

I mean, I don't think we want to erase the very essence of what makes a human, human.

And that's our flaws. Our soul.

Our humanity. Ask Grok. When -- if I put an implant in me, and I begin to have the internet in my head, and I'm going to the internet and the internet is coming into my head. And it's telling me things. But they're just kind of like the thinking of my -- I can't recognize it. When do I stop becoming me.

When am I AI?

And not human.

Not Glenn Beck.

And at what point -- and it went through. I did this the other night.

I went through all kinds of arguments. Both for and against. And at the end, I said, I don't know.

Nobody knows. Nobody knows.

We'll know it when we get there.

These are the things you have to think.

Because the line is coming.

And it may be soon.

Do you live with your imperfections?

Do you cross over? I know my choice.

Your choice may be different. That's your right.

But today is not that day. Today is about mastering what is here. So you can educate yourself. So when that day comes, you will be ready.