RADIOSeptember 02, 2024

EXPLAINED: What happens if Trump wins from PRISON?

Special counsel Jack Smith has revived his classified documents case against Donald Trump. But why is he doing this so close to the election? Will the Supreme Court's immunity ruling apply here? And what would happen if Trump wins the election from prison? Former U.S. DoJ Assistant Attorney General and Center for Renewing America senior fellow Jeff Clark joins Glenn to break it all down: “I would not be surprised if [this judge] sentenced President Trump to prison.” But he also explains why he believes the American people will see through the Left’s attempt to “criminalize politics” and realize that we have become a banana republic.

Transcript

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GLENN: Jeff Clark, he is a senior fellow at the center for renewing America. And he knows this case, quite well.

The case against Trump. The latest indictment filed against special counsel Jack Smith.

Jeff, I have been trying to understand this story.

It's very complex. Can you just break it down for dummies, like me?

JEFF: Glenn, thanks for having me.

And, you know, you're definitely underestimating yourself, Glenn, but hopefully I can help the audience to understand the case.

GLENN: Okay.

JEFF: So, look, obviously this case was filed a way back.

And it's resulted in several important decisions, first as the district court, and then in the DC circuit, holding that President Trump was not immune.

You know, they tried to last that argument out of the lower courts, especially with this ridiculous SEAL team six hypothetical.

The idea that President Trump could order Seal Team Six to assassinate his political rivals.

And so the argument goes. You know, because that would not make any sense.

Therefore, he can't have any form of immunity. And I always thought that hypothetical was totally ridiculous, when the case eventually reached the Supreme Court. In a case called Trump v. United States, which was decided by the Supreme Court. Six to three, most of it, on July 1st of this year.

GLENN: Right.

JEFF: They gave that argument, short trip too. And they held, consistent with the fact, that every branch of government, has some form of immunity. That the president of the United States, and the one that was just applied to Donald Trump, it was applied to all presidents of the United States. Have to have, you know, a set of immunities. And the immunities they decided that he had, were basically a -- in a trichotomy.

So the first tier is that the president exercises his core executive powers.

You know, the things that are at the heart of being president. He is absolutely immune from those.

Full stop. Then second, per anything else that he does. Which is not within his core powers.

So that would include things like speaking, using the president's bully pulpit.

He's immune to the outer boundaries of his office. As long as it has the nexus to his official duties, which a lot of things do. And that there he has presumptive immunity. And in order to overcome it, you have to show that it would really make no impingement or inroads into the executive power. You know, to -- to be able to pierce that immunity. So that's also a very strong form of immunity.

GLENN: But that would be something like he's saying, you know, WWE is real. And somebody sues him. And says, it's not real.

It has nothing to do with the presidency. Right?

JEFF: Exactly right. So it certainly -- to my mind, let's take the speech, that he gave, you know, outside the -- the White House. On January 6th. He was clearly talking about matters of public concern, which the president can express himself on. And I think that that is presumptively immune. And I think to tell a president that he could not set out his views about an election, would be an inroads into the presidency. And therefore, he would also be immune for that.

GLENN: Yeah.

JEFF: So the left category, and the trichotomy is a category for which a president would not be immune, Glenn. That's the category of -- of an unofficial act. An act in a private capacity.

And so, after the Supreme Court's decision on July 1st, you know, it -- it kind of goes down each step. It steps down to the Court of Appeals level.

And they remand it back to the district court to Judge Chutkan.

And then Judge Chutkan started to set proceedings. More -- more on that in a minute.

And then what's ultimately come, once she now has jurisdiction back in the case, is that Jack Smith was off to the side, working with an entirely different grand jury, and he got this superseding indictment that came out yesterday.

And in -- in a phrase, what that indictment is, you know, new indictment. Meet the old indictment. You know, it's just the same as that old indictment.

He's just reformulated to try to make it consistent with and fit everything into the third box.

The box of everything President Trump did. That he had indicted before.

The first time. Is actually -- as opposed to a set of official acts.

And therefore, Jack Smith argues, he's not immune.

GLENN: So are they doing this, to smear him yet again. So late in the campaign.

Or is this a plan just in case he wins, they think this will keep him out of office?

JEFF: I think, Glenn, that they're doing it for all of those reasons. Right? Because they absolutely want to block him any way they can.
So this is election interference. There's no way you should be issuing a new indictment like this, using a new grand jury.

This close to a major presidential election. Especially --

GLENN: Correct.

JEFF: And it also shows me that this was being concealed. So what happens is that the court was told.

Because it was ready to go. Trying to set deadlines to try to march back toward a trial.

And Jack Smith made a filing. The last couple of weeks. Saying, no. No. No. Hold on. I need more time.

We're doing consultations inside the Justice Department.

Well, I'm sure they were doing consultations inside the Justice Department. But that's not the real reason. It's now clear, that the real reason is that he was actually in secret grand jury proceedings, getting this superseding indictment.

GLENN: Jeez.

JEFF: And the media, right? The media has been all over, watching the DC courthouse.

I mean, back in the real height of this, a year ago, you know, no one could walk into the courthouse, even if it was for an entirely different reason.

And not have the media report X, Y, Z. You know, this person went in. They must be going to the grand jury. Or there was speculation. But for this proceeding, for some reason, it surprised someone.

All the mainstream media, purported to say, well, Jack Smith was just consulting inside the Justice Department.

I think that that was essentially running a cover story for the fact that they were conveniently not -- purporting not to watch the courthouse.

Because they would have seen the prosecutors, regularly going to the grand jury to get this new indictment. And yet there was entire radio silence on that, until the surprise of yesterday.

GLENN: So what is supposedly new in this one, that changes the ground?

JEFF: It's not. It's essentially just a reformulation, right?

So the original indictment started out by saying, you know, Donald Trump, president of United States. You know, from -- from these dates, to candidate Trump.

So everything has been reframed. In the light of trying to fit it into the third box of being a private unofficial act.

GLENN: Person.

JEFF: Yeah. And otherwise, it's the same. It's the same four counts. There are -- even, you know, particularly remarkable to me, Glenn. Is not just that they have the -- trying to repackage the allegations, right? To go against Trump in his private capacity.

But the fact that two of the allegations were to this statute -- 28. I'm sorry. 18USC1512.

And that statute went to the Supreme Court, also this past term, involving the January 6ers. And the Supreme Court decided that -- that 1512C2, about obstruction with official proceeding, which I'm sure you and many of our your listeners would have heard of. You know, a statute, that really, they stretched to try to apply to January 6th. Even though they didn't. The Supreme Court held, that it did not apply to the January 6ers. And it remanded.

So, you know, Jack Smith has never said aye. He's still using 1512. Many commentators thought that after the Supreme Court's Fischer decision, that's the one about 1512C2, that he would drop the 1512 counts. And he would just go with the conspiracy counts.

Two conspiracy counts. There's 118USC371, conspiracy to defraud the US.

And then the second conspiracy count is a conspiracy against civil rights. But, no. He's using exactly the same four counts that he used before.

That's why I say, you know, the new indictment is really the same as the old indictment.

GLENN: I have to tell you, I don't think the Rosenbergs went through this kind of trial and tribulation. That Donald Trump. I've never seen anybody treated like they treat Donald Trump.

Never. What -- what the courts have done to him, what the prosecutors have done to him, in these cherry-picked courthouses and districts is absolutely obscene.

And I -- I would love to them your point of view, Jeff. I think they will put him in jail in September.

JEFF: Well, I'm actually, Glenn, making preparations to go up there, to be in Judge Merchan's court in Manhattan, on September 18th if the sentencing goes forward.

Look, two days before that time, on September 16th, Judge Merchan is supposed to issue his decision about whether the Supreme Court's immunity decision, Trump v. the US, that I've been talking about.

Whether that essentially requires a new trial to be granted. And I don't see how it couldn't possibly -- you know, you could come to any other conclusion, to the fact that it requires a new trial. Because President Trump is immune for his official acts. And there's even, in addition to the three tiers of immunity that I've described to you.

The Supreme Court created a new exclusionary rule, and said that, in terms of liberation inside the executive branch, are -- are protected. And they cannot be presented in court, as evidence against the president. And so the Alvin Bragg prosecution, it presented precisely such prohibited evidence. It had Hope Hicks in the Oval Office, talking to the president. And testifying about various things.

The jury heard that. And you can't unring that bell. They produced a verdict, based on hearing that evidence.

Alvin Bragg is trying to argue. Oh, it's all harmless error. Right?

We would have gotten that, even if we hadn't presented that evidence. Well, who knows? No one knows that. And I don't believe it. And so he needs a new trial.

So I predict, sadly, you know, for the same reasons you say that the lawfare is just so intense and unprecedented against President Trump. And it really is a dagger at the heart of the republic, that I bet, you know, Judge Merchan is going to go ahead and deny the unite-based motion for a new trial. And then he will do the sentencing. And I actually would not be surprised if he sentenced President Trump, to prison.

And maybe he tries to, you know, soften it a little bit at the end. Just by saying, this sentence wouldn't begin to run until after the election, or something like that.

Or if you really wanted to go full bore, right? You can say, no, you're remanded into custody immediately. Or you're remanded into home confinement immediately. He has a lot of different options.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh. I have to tell you, I think the American people will lose their mind.

Both Republican and Democrat. And especially I think independents. I think there are a lot of people who are sick of this. And they will see, this is a banana republic.

JEFF: I agree. It's already gotten to a banana republic level in terms of the level of lawfare directed at President Trump, at myself.

GLENN: Right.

JEFF: You know, at Steve Bannon, and Peter Navarro. You know, all of my folks down in Georgia, with Fani Willis.

GLENN: It's crazy.

JEFF: Now they have a new case out in Arizona, which they're trying to press on. You know, it's relentless.

It really is something that is trying to criminalize politics. And criminalize the ordinary operations of laughter. And pretend that Donald Trump was the chief executive of the United States.

That he -- you know, some unprecedented threat, that requires a level of treatment, that no one has ever gotten before, in the history of our country.

Just take, Glenn, the Mar-a-Lago raid. Right?

What did they do with Vice President Pence and President Biden? They negotiated an agreement to go and search through their -- their homes, right? But did President Trump get that treatment?

No. He got a jackbooted raid. With armed agents. That wouldn't even show the president's lawyer, Christina Bobb at the time, the warrant initially, until she basically had to pry it out of him.

GLENN: Would you hold on just a second, Jeff?

Because I have to take a 60-second break. And then when we come back, I would just like to know, what happens if he go to jail? Can he be president of the United States?

How would that work? Does Secret Service go with him?

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From the Center for Renewing America, he's the senior fellow there. Also, former US DOJ Assistant Attorney General Jeff Clark is with us.

So if they put him in jail, can a president be in jail?

If he -- let's say he wins the election. But he's in jail. What happens?

JEFF: So there are two periods, right? One would be a period, prior to inauguration. There to answer your question, right before the break.

You know, the Secret Service would still protect him.

And, you know, indeed, Alvin Bragg had been talking to the New York jail system, about trying to make accommodations for that.

And then in the period after he's inaugurated, then I think all of the -- any kind of imprisonment would have to be ended for suspended.

It would be what lawyers call preempted by the Constitution since he would be the dully elected and inaugurated president of the United States.

He can't be kept from exercising those functions by a state conviction.

GLENN: That is absolutely unbelievable.

I mean, I don't think our Founders ever -- they -- I don't think they ever saw something like this happening.

I mean, you know, our -- our checks and balances are so far out of whack. And the administrative state is so strong now.

That, you know, almost anything can happen. It is really crazy. Jeff, thank you. Go ahead.

JEFF: Thank you. Yeah. I was going to say, you're absolutely right. The republic is hanging by a thread at this point. Hopefully Judge Merchan will come to his senses. And I think the Supreme Court is always in the background to make this all come out right, like they did in the Trump immunity case on July 1st.

GLENN: Hmm. Jeff Clark, thank you very much. I appreciate it.

You can follow him on Twitter, @JeffClarkUS. @JeffClarkUS. Thanks, Jeff. Appreciate it.

I mean, can you imagine, Stu?

STU: Yeah. I was thinking about that, as you were playing out the situations.

What if -- you putting them in jail, would send a message.

I think, as you pointed out. I think would backfire on them.

Could you see them do House arrest?

So he can't campaign anywhere.

He can't do any rallies. They put an ankle bracelet on him. I don't know. That one, I could see.

Especially if they're losing. I think the more -- the more dire they feel their situation is. The more likely that happens. That he goes to prison.

Because, you know, they will see this as, well, I mean, we've got this other card to play. Why not give it a shot?

We're losing. Right now, I don't think they feel like they're in that situation. I feel like they think they're winning, and why would they shake it up?

GLENN: I have to tell you though, I think if Donald Trump was under House arrest and he couldn't leave his house, first of all, he could do video from his house. I'm sure.

And there would be people like me. You know, I would be willing to take a hiatus and go campaign for the man, if he couldn't campaign himself. And not -- and not because, well, he's a Republican or anything.

Because --

STU: It's wrong.

GLENN: -- this is an American that has been wronged. And we all have to stand up for it.

I mean, they are out of control.

STU: That's going to be fascinating to see.

GLENN: Can you imagine if they win?

Oh, my gosh. Can you imagine how much trouble we're in if they win, Stu.

I mean, everything we've ever talked about, is happening right now.
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As Jeff just said, a republic hangs by a thread. Who is going to rush in and save it?

Well, I will tell you, it will only be good and godly people.

Because it's got to be people of merit, that are trying to find favor in the eyes of God.

And say, we will be a fruitful nation. And we will bear good fruit, otherwise, he will curse us and we will whither on the vine. Quickly.

Will America’s immigration crisis COLLAPSE us like the Roman Empire?

“No one can deny that the Roman Empire fell apart because it lost its borders.” Author Spencer Klavan joins Glenn to draw the parallels between the fall of Rome and what’s happening now in America and the Western world. But if everyone knows what happened to Rome, why are our leaders flooding our countries with immigrants? And is it still possible to correct our course?

Transcript

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GLENN: I want to finish up from where we were last hour, on how our country is just being taken apart. Piece by piece.

And they're telling you they're doing it. They're telling you, what the goal is.

But they always deny it. Even though, it's all out in papers. And it's all out on websites. Their websites.

They won't -- they'll always say, that's a conspiracy theorist. But we're now seeing, these conspiracy theory, come true. And it's been bothering me the last couple of days. And, quite honestly, I'm so lazy. I didn't grab Gibbons. And look it up.

But if I remember right, wasn't the -- the decline and fall of the Roman empire?

Didn't it really start to come down. Once they opened the gate to the -- I don't know. The gates to the mongrels. Or the muskrats.

Or the Haitians. Or whoever they let in.

I mean, I know this. Wasn't that the beginning of the end. They let everybody in.

And then they made everybody a Roman citizen. And then Rome didn't. Citizenship must mean anything.

STU: It sounds familiar. I'm no expert on this.

GLENN: That's where I was too.

So I decided to call somebody, who actually knows. Because he's smart.

Spencer Klavan, a books associate editor and author of Light of the Mind, Light of the World.

Spencer, how are you, man?

SPENCER: I'm doing very well, Glenn. Thanks for having me on.

GLENN: Okay. Again, I just have to say, talk town to me a little bit. Not too much. But just a little bit.

Am I right on that? I'm trying to remember, one of the last straws. I thought it was opening up the gates, and making everybody citizens.

SPENCER: Okay. So not only are you right about this, you actually don't even need somebody like gibbon to prove your point.

This is something that basically everybody, even the most liberal scholars of the Roman empire and its history. Nobody can deny, that the Roman empire fell apart. Because it lost its borders.

Its borders were effectively dissolved, by tyrants. And especially by -- I think you're probably thinking of as Capra Calah (phonetic).

GLENN: Yeah.

SPENCER: An edict made everybody a citizen. And this is a guy -- one of the notorious tyrants of history.

Compared during the French revolution to Louis the 16th. Given calls him the common enemy of mankind. So that will tell you a little bit about the sort of people that want to dilute the concept of citizenship.

They always make themselves out to be very magnanimous and generous, and kind.

Whereas, in fact, there's always something in it for them. And that was no different in Rome.

GLENN: So, Spencer, if everybody knows this, what could possibly -- what possibly could be the reason to do this, all across the Western world?

SPENCER: Well, I think like with everything. You have to look for elite interests. In Rome. The problem of citizenship is something they had going back even before the empire, to the days of the republic.

And right from the jump there. When the republic started to fall apart. It was because there wasn't enough land to go around.

The citizens, and those who fought in the army were supposed to get a certain amount of land that they could cultivate as private property. But while they were away at war, the wealthy and the elites, effectively conspired to do an end run around the law. Why?

So that they could have cheap labor, and vast tracks of land.

Terra Cala (phonetic), there are different theories about why he did what he did.

But you don't have to look around too far for reasons why. In fact, there are almost too many reasons why he would have been able to levy taxes on these new citizens. He could have conscripted them into the army.

And all of this came at the expense, and this is important. It came at the expense of the people who were already the Roman citizens. Our word citizen, comes from a Greek word and so does our word city.

So this is a local thing, originally, designed for specific people, who get particular rights, yes.

Things that they can do. Like vote in elections. But also, they get responsibilities. You have to contribute to society. And be committed and devoted to the idea of Rome. The project of Rome.

Once that starts to fall apart, you basically just have the rich and the strong, trying to give out benefits packages, essentially. Goody bags. To whomever they can get on their side. So they can grow their military.

And sustain the military machine. And I think a lot of that, we can see going on, as well, with some of our leaders. Unfortunately.

GLENN: So you're a historian.

You love history. You study history.

How -- how is this time period. Right now. The point where we're at, right now.

Before this election.

How is this going to be looked at, by historians?

SPENCER: It's always hard to write history in the present tense, they say. But if you put a gun to my head. And I had to make a guess. I would say, this is going to be one of those moments, where people look back, and they either say, how could they possibly have let it all go?

What -- what went wrong? What trove them so insane?

And there will be studies written of how we were led up to this point, gradually overtime.

Or -- or we'll -- we'll look back, and we'll say, this was a crisis, like the ones that Rome had faced. Like others had faced in the past.

And we pulled back from the brink.

It's not too late.

Despite the dire situation.

It's not too late to do that.

We're not an edict of territory, just yet. Although, that certainly was the open borders crowd.

And the Kamala Harrises and the Joe Bidens of the world would like.

It's not yet the case. That just anybody under American influence is an American citizen. With all the rights and privileges that that --

GLENN: It's darn close. We're moving in that direction rapidly.

SPENCER: Yeah. You're right about that. So I think we're at a major crossroads with this election.

GLENN: So what -- I mean, now I'm going to ask you to predict, and you feel free to back out. And say, I didn't sign up for this, dude.

What do you see, coming? What does history teach you, that is most likely, coming?

Because I honestly. I can think of a million ways, this falls apart.

SPENCER: Right.

GLENN: I have a hard time finding that very narrow path, especially without God, of where it comes together. And we heal?

SPENCER: I mean, it's really important that you mentioned God, I think, and the Christian God, specifically. Whom the Romans, until later on in their history, did not worship.

Because that is something that makes us distinctive.

And, you know, Glenn, you've asked me this question a couple of times. Are there any examples of people that fall out of these crisis?

And it's hard, because, in fact, when you end the concept of citizenship. When you destroy your borders. You have destroyed, your country, by definition.

So it's not like we're not flirting with the sorts of things, that bring republics, and empires down.

But I will say, that whereas, I can't think of any example from history, of civilization. That wound back the clock.

That undid these problems.

It is possible in history, to correct course.

And move forward, in the world that we live in. In a better direction.

And I think for us, as Americans. And as a nation that was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. The key to that, is our belief in the universal creation of man, in the image of God.

Now, that might sound a little ironic. Since I'm talking about closing down our borders.

And taking care of our citizens. And the open borders crowd. Likes to make use of Christian slogans. To pretend that they're loving their neighbors. They're loving everybody.

But we're limited human beings. And the Christian in front of us, is not how we extend every benefits of the whole world. It's not in our power.

The question is, how do we love one another as American citizens. And our superpower. That the Romans did not have, is racial assimilation. If we're able to get a grip on our border

If we dwell on this election. And other elections going forward. Then we can accommodate some of the things that have gone down the pike.

And have a better track record, than any country in history. At course correcting and recalibrating with exactly these types of issues.

But the first thing, we have to understand what we're about.

And that's not the world. And not humanity in general.

But America, and the humans that live here.

GLENN: What book are you writing right now?

SPENCER: I mean, finished a book that's coming out in October. You mentioned this. Light of the mind.

Light of the world. Which I'm really excited for people to read.

It comes out in October.

And this is a story about the history of science, told from a religious perspective.

Because I think people have a sense, that there's just -- no way you can be a smart, rational person, who believes in science, and also believes in God.

And what I'm saying, in this book is. Not only is that wrong. It's also really outdated. And that a sophisticated, modern understanding of where science comes from.

And where it's going. Points us back to the truth.

And the God of the Bible.

So that's the book.

And it will be out in October.

GLENN: Fantastic.

Preorder it now. Light of mine. Light of the world. Do me a favor.

Send it to me. Because I want to have you on. But I want to -- Reddit, you know, before I talk to you so we can have an intelligence conversation on it.

Spencer, thank you so much. Say hi to your dad for me. Spencer Klavan, Andrew Klavan's son. And, boy, if -- if Andrew ever feels like, I don't know if I did a good job as a dad.

Sit and talk to Spencer for a while. It's pretty amazing.

The REAL reasons Springfield, Ohio, residents are concerned about Haitian migrants

What’s really happening in Springfield, Ohio? Are Haitian immigrants eating ducks, geese, and pet cats, as internet rumors have claimed? Glenn speaks with Blaze Media National Correspondent Julio Rosas, who traveled to Springfield to find the truth. He tells Glenn that while he can’t speak to how widespread the issue of missing pets and ducks is, it has been raised by citizens “for months.” However, that’s not the only thing. “ANY ISSUE that the residents have been raising over the 20,000 Haitians being put into their city…a lot of the residents feel that the city commission is just not listening to their problems, or they’re not willing to do anything about it because there is a lot of MONEY involved in the decision.” Julio describes what he heard from residents — women feeling unsafe, the city not enforcing fire codes, landlords renting out BEDS, not houses. Plus, he explains why some residents have either started to embrace the “new normal” or are afraid to speak out.

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GLENN: Julio now is at -- in Springfield, Ohio.

Talking about the Haitian influx. To see what's really going on. He's our national correspondent. Julio Rosas, welcome.

JULIO: Yeah. Glenn. Thanks for having me.

GLENN: You got there yesterday?

JULIO: I got there late Monday night.

GLENN: Okay. Okay. So what have you found on the ducks and the geese and everything else?

JULIO: Well, I can tell you that it is an issue, that has been raised to the city for -- for months -- months before this -- this got brought to the national attention, you know, last week and into this week.

You know, I can't speak to how widespread it is. But it's been enough of a problem that people have been saying, hey, you know -- like, we've been seeing this. Like, I've heard about this.

Can the city look into it? And from my understanding, not just the duck issue -- you know, the pet issue.

But overall, any issue, that residents have been raising over -- over the 20,000 Haitians being put into their city.

A lot of the residents feel that the city commission is just not listening to their problems, or they're unwilling to do anything about it because -- because there is a lot of money, being involved in decisions. Because, you know, they're -- these -- these Haitians, they have jobs. That's why they're able to be here legally. They have protected status.

GLENN: Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. They have jobs?

JULIO: Yes. That's --

GLENN: How did they do job placement for 15 or 20,000 Haitians?

JULIO: It's through a temp agency called First Literacy. It's based here in Springfield. And that's one of the tension points within the American citizens here. Is that everything seems to be revolved around accommodating the Haitians first. And the American citizens second.

And that's why they're upset at city commissions. Because the city commission appears that they want to make Springfield seem as accommodating as possible to the Haitian population.

Which includes, not towing cars of unlicensed drivers. Surrounding -- or, having to do that.

Because, you know, they're not very great drivers admittedly. It's called some people to be killed. There have been some accidents on the road. But Springfield in the past, have not been willing to toe their cars. Whenever there's an accident or whenever they're indicate driving recklessly. So that's one of the reasons why people no longer drive into Springfield.

I was in Fremont City, just five minutes to the North.

They no longer go to the Kroger or the Walmart in Springfield. They go to the cities up North to do the shopping. Because they say, even being on the road, it's too dangerous.

GLENN: I -- I've got to believe that a town that small. I mean, Kamala last night said, it was a mid-sized town.

No, it's not. That's -- 50,000 people is a small town in America. And I got to believe, you put 20,000 immigrants from anywhere, that are not, you know, looking to blend in. And be part of society.

I've got to believe, that has totally changed the culture. And if I were a resident, I would be pissed.

Who is the federal government to do this to my town?

Is that the feeling you're getting from people.

JULIO: Right. Yes. I was at the city -- so while most people were getting back from the debate last night, I was at the city commission meetings that they have.

And a few people spoke, to -- during the public comments portion, where one woman. She's 58. She's elderly. She lives on the south side of town. The south side of town is where most of the Haitians have been put. And are living at right now.

And she said, she doesn't even leave her house right now. Without her gun and her 120-pound pit bull. Because she has been followed. She has been groped by Haitians. She's been accosted verbally. And she said, I'm very worried about the women of this town, because they're very aggressive towards women. And it's -- and, you know, that was just one person. But there's a lot of -- you know, yes. The pet issue is one thing.

But even on the housing alone, what's been happening is that landlords have -- you know, you say you have a family of four. The landlords don't renew their lease with them.

And then they replace them with up to 15 Haitians.

They're not even renting.

They're not even renting the house.

They're renting -- they're charging them, I've been told, $200 a week for just the bed.

And it was explained to me, that the bed never gets cold because there's just a constant rotation of people that use it for those late hours.

Then they go to work. And then they come back, and it just starts all over again.

So you put -- you know, two sets of bunk beds in a room. That's six people. Right?

GLENN: That's the way it works in China.

JULIO: Yeah. Yeah. Can and so the landlords are getting a lot more money from this. And the city is not enforcing the fire code.

So that's a fire hazard.

When you have that many people, crammed into one -- you know, a two-bedroom, a one-bedroom place. And -- but you have 15 people inside. That's a fire hazard. But the city has refused to enforce the codes.

Again, to try to accommodate the Haitians as much as possible.

And American citizens, who haven't been able to afford to leave. They have ended up homeless.

There's encampments that spring up -- sprung up around Springfield.

It's not because of just homeless people, like Los Angeles, that are drugged out.

It's, they can't afford anything else.

And that's their only option.

GLENN: I have to tell you, if this were happening in my city and somebody came to enforce some sort of ordinance, you know, I was building a house. And they were like, you've got to get a permit for this.

Because we have to know for fire safety. I would tell them, go to hell.

When you decide to have everybody if along with your rules.

Then you can come see me. I mean, this is -- this is -- this is a -- a -- a national nuclear bomb, that is about to go off.

People are not going to tolerate this.

You know, I heard a guy yesterday, he was a vet.

And he was in Chicago. And he said, what is happening here?

We have vets on the street!

I'm barely making it.

We have homeless people. You're doing more for these -- these illegals, than you're doing for us.

And then he said, the key words.

He said, you need to do that, for us. As well.

Well, that's universal everything.

And they're pushing us into this.

This is -- you cannot push these cities to the brink like this.

This is Cloward and Piven.

And the result will be Communism. If Kamala has her way.

This is extraordinarily dangerous. What can be done to help Springfield, Julio?

JULIO: Well, that's interesting. Because, again, during the public comment section of the meeting last night.

I would actually say more people spoke in favor of just saying, well, the Haitians are here. There's nothing we can do about it.

We just need to work through it. As opposed to saying, we need to stop accepting Haitians.

GLENN: You've got to be kidding me.

JULIO: So it kind of appears, you know, from -- there's a sizeable amount of people who have just resigned themselves to this new reality.

And it doesn't seem like -- and, you know, obviously, that's just one snapshot of the community. But it -- but I also -- I also think that people are afraid of speaking out on the issue.

Because -- because of the national attention.

And just because of the environment that we're in.

They're afraid they will be called racist. They are afraid they will be called bigoted and everything else.

It's a small town. So everybody knows everybody.

And so I think that's part of the issue. But that in and of itself is a big problem. Because if you're not going to speak out about it. Then the loudest voices will get their way. Right? So in terms of what could be done with Springfield.

Nothing will change. Nothing will change, if Harris takes back the White House. And it's not going to be just Springfield. It will be more -- it will be, yeah, cities across the country.

And so I think it's significant, that -- I started my reporting, on the border crisis. It was always on the border.

And, you know, now we're hearing the end of the Biden/Harris term.

Her term. And I'm having to do immigration stories in America's heartland.

GLENN: Every town is a border town. We've been saying that for years now.

JULIO: At first, it sounded a little corny. You know, it didn't sound very -- but it is -- it is 100 percent true. And it's not just Chicago. It's not just New York City. It's not just Denver.

It is any -- any town can face this, within the next couple of years.

GLENN: Julio, we'll talk to you again, maybe tomorrow.

Thank you so much for the update. I appreciate it.

Julio Rosas. He's TheBlaze media national correspondent.

Now, let me say something. You're not going to fix this. Nothing will change, if you just acquiesce.

If you just go along with it. Well, there's nothing I can do.

Do you see that they're testing you again?

This is like COVID. Wear a mask, 6 feet apart. Stay in your house. No kids going to school.

They're -- they know what they could get away with on that. Now, what are they doing?

They're taking jobs. And giving them to illegals. Without taking care of our own people, first!

And you're just resigned to that?

Nothing will change, in this country. And, you know what, I believe Donald Trump was saved by the Lord. I believe that was a miracle, that he turned his head.

When you see the picture, of the bullet, as he's turning his head, that's a miracle.

It's a miracle that that guy got up, it's a miracle that that guy got up, and said, stand your ground.

Fight!

It's a miracle that that guy goes on stage every day.

He's actually in the fight.

And we're going to say, I don't want to be called racist.

That word has no meaning anymore.

No meaning. No words have meanings. If I may quote my mother, sticks and stones will break your bones.

But words will never hurt you.

You've got to stand up. If you don't, you will get what you deserve.

You will first become part of the problem. And then you will be part and parcel with the wrong side.

You know what's right. You must stand up.

Megyn Kelly EVISCERATES ABC Debate moderators for Kamala bias

@MegynKelly‬ joins Glenn Beck to react to the ABC News Presidential Debate. At no point was it Donald Trump vs Kamala Harris, she argues. It was Trump vs EVERYONE. As a former presidential debate moderator herself, Megyn tears into the ABC News moderators for "fact-checking" Trump while letting Kamala get away with lie after lie: “The only time you should weigh in as a moderator is if the integrity of your question is attacked. These ABC News moderators didn’t understand that, or they just didn’t care.” Plus, Megan explains why she believes Harris' performance at the debate didn't win her any votes: "The person who’s going to be [our first female president] is not going to be an emotionally unregulated, harrumphing, sighing hysteric.”

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Megyn Kelly, welcome to the program. How are you, Megyn?

MEGYN: Enraged. Angry. Just in disbelief at what our imagery has become.

GLENN: It was state-run media.

For her to go in and say so many lies. She -- that proves, this is state-run media.

She knew she could get away with saying lie after lie after lie after lie.

I've never seen anything like it.

And no corrections.

MEGYN: I could have lived with that. Politicians lie all the time. But the one-sided, quote, fact-checking was so outrageous.

I would have been fine. They have done what CNN did. Which is just be quiet. Dana Bash and Jake Tapper did not try to fact-check the candidates. They let them do that to each other. Which is totally appropriate in a presidential debate. It's actually the way it should be. It's not our job to set the record straight.

The only time you should weigh in as a moderator, is if the integrity of your questions is attacked. Right? Like they're attacking the underlying foundation for what they're asking. But as for the answer, that's for the other candidate to do.

And these ABC news moderators didn't understand that, or they just didn't care. If CNN actually got hammered by the left for doing that, the left wanted them to get out there and criticize Donald Trump. And they said, oh, no, you said this. And that's wrong and so on. And ABC News clearly watched that and said, oh, well, that can't be us.

We've got to pander to our base. And so they only fact-checked him. Their fact-checks were incorrect and/or were opinion.

And then you had the assist by the rest of the media, and back to CNN. And its absolute credence, named Daniel Dale.

Who is fact-checked after the fact. Was that Trump lied 33 times. And she lied once!

GLENN: Once!

MEGYN: That's what we're up against. Yes!

GLENN: What was the one he picked?

Was it like a lottery? You put all the lies into a little basket, and you twirl it around, mix it up.

B17. What was the lie?

MEGYN: Yeah. He didn't make that clear. Because on Twitter, he called her out for trying to claim that she had reversed her -- her personal stance on fracking in 2020. You know, she wanted to ban it. And then in 2020, she has been claiming she didn't want to ban it, which isn't true.

In 2020, the VP debate, she said Joe Biden would not ban it. She has never put her stance on it.

But nothing about the Charlottesville, both sides lie, about the bloodbath, about the 2025 nonsense, about saying Trump is against IVF.

Nothing. No, that's fine.

GLENN: So, Megyn, what she had to do last night was assure people, that -- that hadn't seen her, act presidential, to appear to be strong, tough, and presidential.

Did she do that, for enough people?

MEGYN: Well, you added that phrase at the end. Which makes me say, no.

"For enough people." I don't think it was a game-changer last night. I think most people will say, she won the debate. But here's what I saw.

I saw somebody who engaged in nothing, but personal ad hominem attacks against Donald Trump throughout.

I mean, at every chance she could. She went low, insulted him personally. And on that, he actually didn't take the bait. He took the bait on every other thing. You know, on the subject of immigration, and suddenly, we're off topic about rally size. And he went there.

Okay. But on the personal attacks, he didn't. I saw somebody who couldn't control herself emotionally. She was on screen, right? Harrumphing. Rolling her eyes. Hands up on the chin. Like, oh, aren't you so interesting?

GLENN: Oh, my gosh. That was -- I've never seen anybody actually put their hand up on the chin, and rest their elbow on their other hand.

I mean, it was --

MEGYN: And let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. This country has not elected a female president in 250 years. The person who is going to be number one is not going to be an emotionally unregulated, harrumphing, sighing, hysteric. And that's how she appeared in the split screen for the first half an hour of the debate. She's not a controlled leader. I cannot believe that the people sitting at home, don't forget this election is coming down at the margins to men versus women.

Men are for Trump. And women are for Kamala. That these men sitting at home, are going to say, I'm going to vote for her.

I can sit at home, on Election Day, and let her win. I just think they're going to be motivated by how extreme she is. Yes, on policy. Which Trump failed to point out last night.

But her behavior. She's not a strong leader. She's the opposite of a Margaret Thatcher. And I think her schoolgirl attacks on him personally. You know, trying to undermine the dignity of this man who served as president. And who almost was assassinated a month or two ago. And her eye rolling and so on.

Which telegraphs, I can't control myself. Were a real turnoff.

GLENN: Let me ask you.

I was personally offended. And I can't imagine that the American people weren't.

When he was talking about how people are suffering.

And you can't afford, you know, the groceries, at the grocery store.

When she laughed and rolled her eyes, at that. I saw that, and I'm like, oh, my gosh. You -- you're in, A, such denial, that that is happening.

Or you just don't care!

Do you think that -- did that play on you?

MEGYN: Yep. It was moment that she laughed. She laughed when he was raising what was happening in Springfield, Ohio.

She openly laughed. These four people, if you can accept the testimonials or not, they have not, in fact, been debunked. You have one city manager, who says he can't prove any of that.

He hasn't found the proof of it.

That doesn't mean it didn't happen. Another totally inappropriate quote, fact checked by David Muir. What we have here is a "he said, she said" situation. It's not up to the moderators to try to fix it.

But she laughed at it. She rolled her eyes. And what is she laughing at? Immigration. What's happening in our cities, because of the minimal. This has what has been documented. 10.4 million illegals, who have come under her watch.

2.3 million under Trump's four years. 10.4, minimum, not counting gotaways, under hers.

And when the question is raised, look at what's happening to American cities, because of it. She laughed.

You know who is not laughing? The family of Laken Riley, the family of that 12-year-old little girl who was murdered by illegals down at the Southern border, who Trump went down and spent time with.

That's the kind of stuff, Trump needed to raise and didn't.

But at a minimum, his team now today, needs to be showing cackling Kamala, back at it, on the two worse issues for her: The economy and immigration.

GLENN: Yeah. Can you run for president?

You would make a really good president. You would. You would make a really good president.

MEGYN: Thank you. I'm too happy a person for that.
(laughter)

GLENN: So you agree that Trump -- she came out immediately and said, let's do another one.

I think he should say, sure. Let's do five.

MEGYN: Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, that would be amazing.

And you know what they should say, I'll do it. And I'll pick one moderator. And you pick the other.

Why don't we do that?

Don't give it to -- if Trump agrees to go on another mainstream -- and that's a fake term. That is just a BS term. What is mainstream about these people?

GLENN: I think we should start calling them state media. It's state media now.

MEGYN: True. This is one example. How many questions did we have on 2020 election denialism and so on? And how many questions did we have about what's being done to young girls in this country, and about the cutting off body parts of kids who are just confused, because their parents got a divorce.

Not one. They don't care. They're in favor of that. That's not mainstream. So, anyway, if he agrees to go back on the air and do a debate with another state-run media company -- NBC, CBS, obviously ABC is out -- they ought to be out forever. No Republican should ever agree to that again.

GLENN: Ever. Ever.

MEGYN: MSNBC. Then he deserves what he gets. He deserves what he gets. It should be, if they do anything at this point forward, there's no moderator. They go mono a mono. Or he picks one, and she picks one.

GLENN: But he has got to expose her, because nobody else will. And she will crumble eventually. I mean, she just -- she's arrogant now.

She came in after five days of memorizing all of these lies. Really well-prepared.

MEGYN: Yes. Uh-huh. That's what was so frustrating, Glenn.

You can see it, couldn't you.

She was like an automaton. Giving these lies. She heard this before the DNC.

Mark Halperin reported that she's been getting help -- he did it sort of tongue-in-cheek, so you had to read between the lines.

But it was CAA. And Brian Lord who was one of the heads of CAA. One of the most powerful agencies or one of them. Talent agency, in the country.

And that they were bringing in top Hollywood actors and actresses, to coach her, on delivery.

That's what she -- it takes to make her salable to the American people. But I really believe that the people sitting in Ohio, know that. They watched that. And there's just no way, they looked at her, and thought, yeah. This is the genuine person who cares about me.

She barely talked about them.

Her whole -- debate performance was to convince them -- by the way, same stance of the moderators. How terrible Trump is.

It was not, your first day in service. She tried to say, oh, I'm middle class. And I understand your problems.

It was not about them, or the economy.

GLENN: One last thing.

When she was calling him week, and remember, she said -- you're going to hear nothing, but name-calling tonight. Well, yes, from her.

But when she kept saying over and over again, you know, you're weak. You're weak. You're weak.

She was just trying to get the under his skin, the entire time. And I have to tell you, I don't know if I could have been as restrained as he was last night. You know, 90 minutes of lies.

MEGYN: I don't.

GLENN: I don't think I could have contained myself. I would have lost.

MEGYN: I agree. I agree.

I mean, my blood was boiling. His blood had to be boiling. Obviously, this was her plan. But the -- the number of personal emasculating attacks, she launched on him.

If he had done anything like that, to her. He would be getting lectured all day, about his misogyny.

GLENN: Yes.

MEGYN: But she got away with it entirely. And all I could think of when I looked at Trump, this is like a soldier in -- in a foxhole. Surrounded by enemy fire.

GLENN: Yeah.

MEGYN: Trying to return fire, you know, one by one by one. But the hits we him were uniform.

It was a pile-on. It was non-stop. And when I looked at the way ABC handled it.

100 percent as effective and strong as a competitor to him, as she was.

All I could think was, ambush.

This is an ambush. They laid a trap for him, by assuring him, they could be fair.

He fell for it. He walked in there. And all they did was ask him horrible questions for him.

If he didn't answer it. You know, he tried to bridge. Or he had his own messaging. On him, they would follow-up. The question was this. The question was this.

On her, they never did that. And then they would try to fact-check him. And nine times out of ten. Their fact-check was incorrect.

And they never once fact-checked her.

And all of the topic selection was left-wing anti-Trump. I mean, every single question they asked, maybe two were normal.

GLENN: It was. It was.

MEGYN: So he was like the soldier that was ambushed.

And now, I do have a belief.

I know it's contrarian.

But I really have a belief. That the average American at home, who watches that, gets it on a visceral level.

And I just don't expect any sort of big bounce for her.

GLENN: From your lips to God's ear. Thank you so much, Megyn.

You can hear Megyn and, you know, her whole opinion on Sirius XM, immediately following this program on Triumph.

Thank you so much. Appreciate it, Megyn.

MEGYN: My pleasure.

GLENN: You bet. Buh-bye.

OUTRAGEOUS! Glenn Beck REACTS to Harris/Trump ABC News Presidential Debate

"I have never heard as many LIES in any debate." Glenn Beck rails against the "state-run media" immediately after watching the ABC News Presidential Debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. Not only did Harris spew lie after lie, but the ABC News moderators ONLY fact-checked Trump! Joining Glenn for analysis on the panel are fellow BlazeTV hosts Stu Burguiere of‪@studoesamerica‬, Sara Gonzales of‪@saragonzalesunfiltered‬, ‪@lizwheeler‬, and Steve Deace‪@sdeace‬‪@sdeace‬.