RADIOJanuary 16, 2024

New video evidence TEARS APART Capitol Police testimony on Jan. 6

Blaze Media has finally secured the rights to release CCTV footage from the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021 - and it's shocking. The timestamped footage tracks the movement of Capitol Police Special Agent David Lazarus, a key witness in the government's trial against members of the Oath Keepers. In the trial, Lazarus testified that he witnessed multiple "antagonistic" interactions between Oath Keepers and Capitol Police Officer Harry Dunn. But Blaze Media investigative reporter Steve Baker joins Glenn to discuss what the footage makes clear: Lazarus wasn't even in the same building at the time of the alleged confrontation! So, Glenn and Steve ask, is this enough evidence for a mistrial for the Oath Keepers who were jailed in part due to Lazarus' testimony? Steve also discusses the likely possibility that he will soon be arrested by the FBI and reveals what the FBI told him when he asked what crime he was accused of.

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Steve Baker, who we are -- I don't say this, you know, happily, Steve. I don't mean to make this sound like something we're all excited about

But somebody that I -- I expected to be in jail already. And we're expecting that you may not last the month, before you're arrested by the FBI. Any updates on that?

BAKER: The only update we have was given to my attorney, between the week of Christmas, and January 1st. And that was a conversation he had with the new US attorney that has my case.

And that new US attorney told him that now they have moved my self-surrender date, back to mid-January. And that they would give me seven to ten days notice. Because they have -- I will tell you for two years. They respected my travel schedule.

And have at least shown that kind of courtesy.

But it's the middle of the month now. And we still haven't heard back from them yet.

Now, they did tell my attorney at the time, when he asked, can you just let us know what the charges are going to be?

And the A-USA said, no, we're not going to tell you. Well, why is that?

And I -- I kid you not, Glenn, the US attorney told my attorney, that won't tell me what my charges are, or what I'm facing. Because they said, I will tweet it out, immediately.

GLENN: Well, yeah. So what's the problem with that?

BAKER: I'm not exactly sure.

GLENN: Yeah. So, Steve, we have a lot of people listening today.

They saw what happened in Iowa last night.

They want analysis on it.

We will get that to you, in a second.

For people who haven't been following, why they're after you. It has to have something to do with the fact that you were in the building as a journalist, just like the ABC and NBC people. And you took video.

And you started to say, this isn't the story that everybody is saying it is. Then about two months ago, you put together a video for TheBlaze.

That showed Nancy Pelosi's security detail. Who is instrumental, in the convictions of a lot of these people.

Tell me, bring me up to speed. We'll play the first part of the clip. Tell me what we will hear in this clip.

BAKER: It very important for people to focus in on one thing here.

Special agent, David Lazarus. Who was on the protection detail for Nancy Pelosi.

He testified in the oath keeper's trial. That he witnessed the interaction between the Oath Keepers. And Harry Dunn. Officer Harry Dunn. Who is now running for Congress, by the way.

Yes. And that he saw this interaction. This highly antagonistic interaction between Oath Keepers and Harry Dunn.

Three or four times is what he testified, in great detail, in that trial.

The problem with that, Glenn, was -- is that special agent Lazarus, was not even in the same building.

And we secured the Capitol CCTV video, that I don't think they ever thought, we would get access to. Showing that that's the truth.

GLENN: So let me -- let me play the first part of what first broke yesterday. It's from Blaze TV. And it is an investigative report, again, by Steve Baker.

Here is the setup of what Steve said prior to. So you'll understand the importance of this videotape, in cut two. Listen.

BAKER: The story of David Lazarus on January 6 is very simple.

VOICE: Lawyers for Stewart Rhodes and the Oath Keepers on trial, have suggested that the group helped Officer Harry Dunn.

Dunn just took the stand and said flatout, quote, they didn't.

VOICE: Sentenced to four years in prison.

VOICE: Sentenced to eight and a half years in prison.

VOICE: Sentenced to 12 years in prison.

VOICE: Sentenced to 18 years in prison.

VOICE: His story that day, is he was assisting the evacuation of the Senate at that time. That the incident between Officer Harry Dunn and the Oath Keepers began.

VOICE: Outside of the rotunda, there was Harry Dunn. He was a Capitol police officer. He was freaking out. I mean, he was screaming.

VOICE: Get the (bleep) out of here!

VOICE: He had a rifle. He didn't want to -- he was going to take a bunch of people with him. He was definitely in a position where he could do some damage.

VOICE: The Oath Keepers lined up between him and the more agitated protesters, and assisted him in keeping them off of him.

STU: Dunn rejected the defense's argument, that members of the militia protected him.

GLENN: Wow.

VOICE: I don't conflate my story.

VOICE: He had two separate FBI interviews which were conflict with one another. In the first FBI interview, he actually gave a favorable story about his encounter with the four Oath Keepers.

VOICE: Add stood in front of Harry Dunn for almost six minutes.

VOICE: After he was brought in for his second FBI interview, he changed that story.

VOICE: It was fighting back insurrectionists across the Capitol, while being called the vilest, most racist names.

VOICE: So what they did, was where I in another officer, Special Agent David Lazarus to kind of bolster that story and give it more credibility. By saying, that when he arrived at the top of those stairs, that he saw Dunn standing at the top of those stairs, being hassled by these Oath Keepers.

VOICE: At the time, the Harry Dunn Oath Keepers' encounter began, he was not in the same building.

GLENN: Wow!

Now, what this video, if you're not a Blaze TV subscriber. What you're seeing on the screen, are the time stamps. There's about eight different cuts there, of where everybody is in the Capitol.

You see it on a map, through graphics. But you also then see the Capitol cameras.

What's so frightening about this, Steve. Is they didn't think that anybody would get this footage.

And the lie is -- is so clear, that it is a lie.

And basically, to put all of these people in jail. Based on that lie.

It is terrifying what our government is willing to do to its own people.

BAKER: It's terrifying that they are still trying to cover this up.

In fact, we learned just a few days ago, that Capitol Chief police Thomas Manger has stated that he has no intention to investigate this internally.

Or to investigate the actions or the testimony of Federal Agent Lazarus.

GLENN: What!

BAKER: That's correct. And what's also amazing. We showed this in this particular video. We showed a screenshot of an internal Capitol Police leadership email, that I received from one of my sources, inside the building. Who sent this to me, when back in the original release that we did, when we started talked about this, without the videos back in October.

That they were very pleased that the story was not getting traction at the time.

But now that we have the video, this thing really blew up on the social media sites yesterday.

GLENN: Okay. So tell me what we're going to see and hear now, part two.

BAKER: This basically is going to take us through the part where we see Lazarus now, emerging to the area where he claimed that he was.

But this is long after the Oath Keepers have left the building. They have certainly left the area, and are exiting the building.

But this once again, it solidifies the fact that it really brings home the fact, Glenn. That these individuals were testified against, improperly. They were lied against.

They're certainly at the very least. They're -- they're -- not only their convictions. But their sentencing was much worse as a result of the testimony between Harry Dunn and Lazarus.

And the fact is, neither one of these cops who testified in this trial, could possibly have experienced what they said.

As I said before, they gave revery specific and detailed testimonies. And both of them are not only in conflict with one another.

They are this complete conflict with the truth.

GLENN: Okay. Here's part two. This was released yesterday. Listen to this.

VOICE: Lazarus was just not there. He could not have seen -- he could not have witnessed what was taking place, because Lazarus was in another Senate office building across the street from Constitution Avenue.

GLENN: Wow.

VOICE: So we were able to track Lazarus on the Capitol CCTV cameras. Lazarus can be seen moving away from the Capitol building through a lower tunnel at 2:37:59 p.m. Lazarus continues moving toward the Senate office buildings at 2:41:49 p.m.

During Officer Lazarus' October 31st trial testimony, he stated that he began his return to the Capitol building after hearing shots fired, over Capitol Police radio.

VOICE: Shots fired.

VOICE: That occurred at 2:43 p.m.

Here, Lazarus can be seen moving back toward the Capitol at 2:45 p.m.

Dunn's encounter with the Oath Keepers began at 2:44, and lasted roughly between 5 and 6 minutes.

Here, Lazarus finally emerges from the tunnel, back to the Senate side of the Capitol building at 2:48.

Dunn falsely testified that Lazarus was already at the location, where he encountered the Oath Keepers, before he arrived.

But Lazarus can be seen at the top of the elevator, leading up from the tunnel, at 2:48 p.m. on the Senate side of the Capitol.

Over four minutes after Dunn encountered the Oath Keepers from on the House side.

GLENN: I mean, how is this not being investigated?

I guess this is where you come in.

If it is -- if it wasn't for people like you, we wouldn't know.

If it wasn't for places like TheBlaze, this story wouldn't be told. And it would just go away.

But in a surveillance state. And that's really what the Capitol grounds are.

It's a survivals surveillance.

It takes a lot of time, as you know.

But in a normal circumstance, this would mean, that those people, who were tried, and convicted, with this testimony, they would either go for a mistrial. Or they would be immediately released.

That's the way America has always worked.

And no one is doing anything about it.

They think they're going to get away with it. Is that just because people aren't aware of it.

GLENN: Well, they're not aware of it.

But I will tell you, we're working very, very closely with congressional members and staffers on this particular story. As well as the other stories that we currently have this development.

As a matter of fact, representative Barry Loudermilk, who is the chairman of the subcommittee of oversight, from House admin. They just announced a couple days ago.

That they have been given three times the number of staffers from House Speaker Johnson, for the specific purpose of investigating January 6th matters, and I can confirm that now.

But we have been -- I have sat with Mr. Loudermilk several times. I have met with his chief of staff and his staff members on many occasions now.

And I think that -- at the very least, before a committee is called. Or another J6 select committee is convened.

They are going to bring these officers in for transcripts and interviews under oath.

GLENN: Thank you very much, Steve.

I really appreciate all your work. And we pray for you.

And I ask America, pray for Steve baker. He is under threat from the US government.

Just because he's telling the truth. How do I know it's the truth?

He has the video evidence.

Steve, thank you so much. Blaze media correspondent. And investigative journalist.

And if you didn't have this video yet, you can find it online.

You can go to TheBlaze.com.

You can also find it on Blaze TV. But tweet this out. And spread this as much as possible.

This tells in a completely different story.

And there is nothing, but facts, you cannot argue this. At all.

Because everything is time stamped.

EXCLUSIVE: Chip Roy Explains His FIERY Rejection of Spending Bill

According to the media, there’s a big fight going on between Republicans over the House’s new slimmed-down continuing resolution spending bill. Some, including President-elect Donald Trump, wanted the bill to pass. But others, like Texas Representative Chip Roy, argued that it still wasn’t ready. However, is the Republican “unity coalition” really crumbling, like the media claims? Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn to explain what’s really going on. He argues that he IS trying to give Trump and DOGE a 100-day “runway” to fix the country. But he makes the case that, by increasing the debt ceiling by $5 trillion without agreeing on other cuts, this bill gives bad actors the ability to be an “obstacle” to Trump’s agenda further down the line. Plus, he reveals to Glenn that he believes some of these bad actors LEAKED false information about his stance to Mar-a-Lago.

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN:

I think we have a great opportunity today. To show you how to have a -- tough conversation, with friends, friends. Where you deeply disagree on something.

But you know that their intent is good. They know my intent is good. Or our intent is good.

And we actually have the same end goal, but we disagree on the path. And we're going to walk away friends.

Chip Roy is joining us today. And, Chip, I love you. And I always will. And I agree with your, we've got to cut spending. We have to. But Liz Wheeler is with me. And we've been talking about it all morning. It's the -- the -- the -- the system of DOGE and Trump, the call-out to the world, in saying, you've got to surrender the Capitol. You know, the bad guys are in and about to take all the money.

Surround, and tell them, come out with your hands up. And that happened. And we scored a massive win, in an entirely new way.

Ask then you stood on principle, one we both agree with.

And it failed!

And so here's -- here's what Liz and I were talking about. Here's what we want to say to you.

And then get your response.

LIZ: Hi, Congressman Roy, this is the way I see it. I want your take on it. I love you. I think you're one of the best members of Congress. I disagree with you on the process that's happening. And I think that is the difference. The process. We elected Donald Trump to be a disruptor. Because Republican members of Congress for decades have been telling they're fiscal conservatives. They want to decrease the debt SEAL. It hasn't happened.

It hasn't -- it hasn't been done. And so Donald Trump comes in with Elon Musk, and uses this DOGE process to first identify these pieces of garbage in the first 1500-page bill. And take those things to the people. We took them to members of Congress. Congress said, okay. We'll listen to you.

So that new process was very effective.

And my question to you is: Once that process was proved to be effective. Which I think is exciting and wonderful.

How do we bridge this divide, with you, to say, okay.

Let's put some faith in this new process. And trust Elon Musk and Donald Trump and the Dow Jones process, to eventually address the debt ceiling, but get this done right now?

GLENN: And not blind trust. Chip.

CHIP: So appreciate you guys. Appreciate being on the show. Particular order. I have to go through a couple of things.

GLENN: Yep.

CHIP: Number one, it's important to remember that my job and my duty is to the Constitution, to God, and the people I represent. I told them, when I came to Washington, I would not -- I would not let the credit card and the debt ceiling and the borrowing of the United States without the spending restraints necessary to offset it.

GLENN: Okay.

CHIP: Right now, all we have are promises and ideas and notions. What I know, that neither of you respectfully no, and that none of your listeners respectfully no are the people that are in the room, that I was in with yesterday. And the day before, who are recalcitrant.

And do not want to do the spending cuts that we need to do.

That I believe the president and the DOGE guys. And everybody want to do.

My job, is to force that through the meat grinder. To demand that we do our damn job. Okay?

GLENN: Okay. So hang on. Okay. So wait. Wait. You're right. You're right. You're right. Go ahead.

CHIP: Number thee, when we were going through the bill, I'm glad the bill dropped from 1,550 pages to 116 pages. Three-quarters of Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it, have been out there spreading false facts that we supported a bad bill and didn't like the better bill.

That's not true. But let's be Lear. The 1400 pages that were cut out. It's a panacea.

There were some good stuff in there. There were some bad stuff in there. There was a lot of disinformation.

There wasn't a $70,000 pay raise. There was a 3,000-dollar pay raise.

I didn't support any pay raise. I didn't support a lot of the stuff in there.

But there's a lot of misinformation. And here's the thing: The 116 pages that were left, and I opposed violently the first bill. I was leading the charge on fighting and killing the first bill.

GLENN: And I love you.

LIZ: The second bill for 116 pages. Turned off -- turned off the pay go requirement. That we slash 1.7 trillion automatically.

And added a 5 trillion that are increase.

My view was, I could not support that, without a clear understanding of what cuts we would get, in mandatory spending next year. And undo any of the Inflation Reduction Act.

The undoing of the student loans. The undoing of the crap with the food stamps.

And everything else. I yield back.

GLENN: Okay. I yield back.

Chip, you're not in a hostile room. We love you. And we agree with your end goals. It's our end goal too. We didn't make that promise that you made to the people that voted for you. So we have more wiggle room here.

But you say -- I think our big difference is, you say, I know the guys in the room.

You're right. You do. And we -- we ceded that earlier today on the show.

You are -- one of us is wrong on trust.

I don't trust any of the weasels in Washington.

But I think Donald Trump and Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy have earned enough trust, to get a grace period, here for the first -- maybe the first year.

Or at least six months.

To turn the economy around, and also reduce the size of the government.

And totally flip this thing.

And I know, as somebody who is -- you know, run a company, mainly into a ground. But run a company, and have to switch it, in the middle, and totally reshuffle. That -- that actually costs money, while you're doing it, to bridge the gap.

Because you have to fill up holes while you're filling in the gap.

You don't trust the people in the room. Neither do we.

But we do trust the system that worked on Wednesday with DOGE and Donald Trump.

Where do we disagree?

Can you give them --

CHIP: We don't disagree. And yesterday morning, I was making that precise argument in a room full of conservatives and then a follow-up room with people who will call it, less conservatives.

GLENN: Republican. Yes.

CHIP: And so we were making this argument. And then someone infamously. Something leaked out of the room, somehow out to Mar-a-Lago. That I was being resistant. Because I was negotiating trying to get the agreement to achieve the objective that you just said. I was trying to get, okay. In fact, yesterday morning, I made the argument to a group of conservatives. We need to give the president runway. We need to give him his first 100 days. We need to appreciate JD, and Vivek, and all the people -- and everybody involved. For the president to achieve the objective.

But to get there. We have to make sure that the guys in the room, that are an obstacle to that, don't have the ability to block it.

Because information flow matters. And when those guys tell the president, they can't achieve X.

Then the president will not achieve X. Our job was to force and demand, guys, we need actual understanding of what the cuts will be.

And because otherwise, we're asking us to accept a 5 trillion-dollar limit in our credit card increase. In exchange for nothing!

Literally, in exchange for nothing, but -- but hope.

So our job was to force that change.

Unfortunately, while I was trying to make the argument that we needed something in order to get the votes, someone leaked that down to Mar-a-Lago, and the president reacted.

But now I have to now manage that.

GLENN: Right. I know. I know.

CHIP: They're trying to enforce change in town.

GLENN: So hang on.

We have to leave this. Because I'm going to run against the clock.

I could talk to you all day about this. You were in a meeting this morning about J.D. Vance. Can you tell us anything about that meeting?

CHIP: That meeting happened, because despite what happened yesterday, I'm trying to get this done. Last night, talking to JD, we worked to get this meeting done. We had some good progress this morning.

But there still remains people concerned about spending. That we can work out, what agreement we can reach. On what spending cuts. We can actually get next year, in exchange for giving the vote on a debt ceiling increase.

So it remains fluid. Progress was made. But we have to keep working on it.

And I left that meeting to talk to you. Soil get an update in a minute.

GLENN: Thank you for that, by the way.

I hear there is a new bill that may be coming today.

Is that the one you're talking about?

Or is this another bill that could be another nightmare?

CHIP: Despite other people leaking crap, I refused. I can't say, because it's not been decided by the speaker.

And it's not right to talk about things they're talking about in private meetings.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's -- it's this speaker. I mean, is he really the speaker anymore, Chip, really?

CHIP: We need to hear what bill we need to get forward. And I can't talk about the private meetings. But, look, I'm going to keep fighting for what I promised people that I represent.

I'm going to fight to cut spending. I am going to represent article one.

I'm going to support the president's agenda, but we've got to do that together.

GLENN: Okay.

Chip, thank you.

I think we can -- I think we agree, but I await to see what that means to you. Because we may just have to agree to disagree on this.

But I love you. And I still want you to replace Cornyn.

CHIP: The short version is, for inflation's sake, we cannot increase the debt ceiling $5 trillion without knowing what we're getting for it.

And I don't think anybody should disagree with that.

GLENN: But you don't disagree that Elon Musk and Trump and Vivek are serious about gutting the system.

CHIP: I believe that is their objective. I believe there are obstacles to that objective. And I need to know the sincerity of how we deal with those obstacles, both structural, and human. And we have to figure that out. And that's my job.

America's Favorite Villain Is Ready for Nuclear Fallout. Are You? | Glenn TV | Ep 401

In this episode of Glenn TV — a theatrical how-to guide to survive the breakdown of society after a nuclear attack, according to the new movie “Homestead” from Angel Studios. Glenn Beck interviews the movie’s star and executive producer, Neal McDonough, who plays the head of a family trying to survive as society is breaking down in a postapocalyptic world. You’ve probably seen Neal in everything from the hit TV shows “Yellowstone,” “Suits,” and “Justified” to movies like “Captain America,” “Minority Report,” and the groundbreaking mini-series “Band of Brothers.” Glenn asks Neal what it’s like to play a villain so often, how TV and movies are changing, and how he survived Hollywood as a devoted Christian and husband who refuses to do onscreen kissing scenes with any of his female co-stars. They also discuss his battle with alcoholism, what it’s like working the legends like Sylvester Stallone and Kevin Costner, and the cultural craving for Western cinema. Note: Angel Studios is a sponsor of “The Glenn Beck Program.” Get your tickets for “Homestead” at https://Angel.com/Beck.