RADIOJanuary 22, 2024

DeSantis would WRECK the Left with THIS Trump cabinet seat

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has dropped out of the 2024 presidential race and endorsed former president Donald Trump. Glenn explains why he believes this was a good move. Plus, he asks Trump to do one thing: "Consider Ron DeSantis as your Attorney General." If he announces this soon, Glenn believes it would give Trump "huge momentum."

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GLENN: So looks like Ron DeSantis is out. Kind of a surprising move, don't you think?

STU: A little bit. Just because, you think, if he's going to do this, why not after Iowa?

Why wait?

I guess that's the line.

GLENN: And you could say, because they're arguing back and forth. And deciding what to do. But this was my advice. What was it?

Thursday or Friday. My advice was, he should drop out now. Do no more damage to his name.

You don't want to look like you lost over and over and over again.

Get out now. Stop the damage on the reputation.

And I'm torn on that, because I'm not sure what's going to happen with Donald Trump.

I mean, you could make a case that he's going to go to jail. You could make the case, that he's going to hang himself with paper sheets.

I mean, God only knows what these people are willing to do to stop him from being president of the United States.

And I -- I would like to have somebody, that -- that has delegates that can broker at the convention.

Now, here's what I really would like to say, today. About Ron DeSantis. And that is.

47.

Mr. President, listen carefully.

Please, will you consider Ron DeSantis, as your attorney general?

I think he will do more food as attorney general even, than he would as your vice president.

Make him, and, Ron, please, if it's offered. Please, take it.

Ron DeSantis has law experience, up the wazoo. He's a proven fighter.

He knows the Deep State. If there's anyone who could go in, and clean up the Justice Department. And then start cleaning up all of the -- the nightmares, and return justice, back to the Justice Department. I think it's Ron DeSantis. And I think if -- if he would accept that, and Donald Trump would announce that now, you would have huge momentum, with Ron DeSantis voters.

You would also have it with Trump voters.

And I think you begin. I think Donald Trump should start announcing his team.

And perhaps, the least important one is vice president. Maybe that's me.

GLENN: That's interesting.

He would be very good at that, I think. That's an interesting fit.

A lot of people are like, oh, well. He said a lot of bad things -- the fact that, not only he dropped out.

The key part of this. He also endorsed Donald Trump. There were people who were like, maybe he'll endorse Nikki Haley, which was never going to happen. But he could have done what Chris Christie did.

Right? Where you drop out.

You don't say anything about an endorsement. And then I guess you have 14 hamburgers, or whatever Christie did after he dropped out.

But you could have done that. And, you know, that would have been a plausible thing for him to do.

But he just went ahead and admitted what I think everybody knew for a long time. That Donald Trump is a -- is probably the person who will win this.

And why not get on board now?

GLENN: Yeah. Can we just -- can we stop with this analyzing, and reanalyzing Ron DeSantis? And what did his team do wrong?

You know, there's many things you can point out. But biggest thing you can point out is, Donald Trump once he was indicted, that race was over.

It didn't matter how -- it didn't matter if he had the dream team behind him.

Or if he had the Keystone Cops behind him.

Rob DeSantis didn't have a chance to win, as soon as Donald Trump was indicted.

The mood of the country and the voter, changed. And people began to see Donald Trump for really, who he is.

He's kind of like us. If they'll do that to him, they'll do it to us. So he's kind of fighting for him and us, at the same time. They see him as a man who has been wronged. Who could have given up.

And is now on the verge of losing absolutely everything. Everything.

And yet, what?

We're going to go for somebody else?

No. At this time, the American people, a majority of Republican voters see that, as something, that they feel they should support. Because he's the guy supporting them.

And fighting the same fight, that they're going to have to fight.

So Ron didn't have a chance.

STU: I'm glad you brought that up.

Every single piece of analysis that I've been seeing and reading has been talking about the DeSantis campaign problems.

And, look, there were some.

Like do you want infighting at your super PAC?

No, you choose not to have that, if you have the choice.

However, if you think, well, if everybody at the super PAC were really good friends, he would have won in Iowa.

I mean, that's just -- what are you talking about?

Like -- it's like everyone is analyzing the 20 percent of the problem. When the 80 percent of the problem is being left unstated. Eighty percent of the problem is that Donald Trump is a very unique figure. That has a lock on a lot of the voters in the party, who has a lock on even more of them.

And an insurmountable amount, when he got indicted. And the sort of conservative mind. You know, the Jonathan Haidt, going to that analysis of how conservatives think. Loyalty is a really big part of that. Fairness is a really big part of that.

And a lot of people think, look, Donald Trump deserves another chance here. I don't know that is ever going to be overcome.

PAT: Because I've heard this from some people who even liked Donald Trump big Trump supporters.

And it's like, okay.

Well, Ron DeSantis shouldn't have done this. He shouldn't have said this.

If his online supporters did this or that, or whatever.

And I get all that. And you can criticize some of that stuff fairly. But at the end of the day, if Ron DeSantis ran a perfect campaign, was he going to beat your guy?

And not a single guy would say yes. They would all say, of course not!

And they're right most likely.

I don't know that a perfect campaign could have won in this particular circumstance.

GLENN: No.

STU: It's like arguing the best album of all time is from Beyonce, and you're talking to an audience that's 70 percent Swiftie. It doesn't matter how good Beyonce's album is, you're never going to win that argument.

GLENN: Look, here's the thing. No matter what he did. You know, Ron DeSantis had good numbers. Before the indictment.

And when we were just looking at candidates. But what the Democrats did, right or wrong. I mean, it's definitely wrong. But strategy-wise, right or wrong, I don't know.

Because I don't know what their real thought was, on why to indict him, for 7 billion years of prison time.

But once they did that, all bets were off. And Donald Trump has something else.

And I'm not saying Ron DeSantis doesn't have this. Or anybody that was running, doesn't have this.

But this was in real question right now, from most people.

Does this politician even like America.

Do they like America?

Donald Trump, the one thing you cannot question is: He loves America.

Loves it.

And that is kind of -- it's strangely kind of a baseline.

You have to have that stone, put into your foundation.

And it has to be rock solid.

And the one thing about Donald Trump is: You know he loves America.

And that's want to slight anybody else. It is to slight some of the Democrats.

But it's not to slight, anybody else that was running. It's just so very clear. That Donald Trump is sincere in his love for America.

And I think that goes a very long way.

STU: I think so too.

And look, people believe that he is going to be the guy. I mean, a lot of this is, you look to a person, who is -- has done the job already.

He's basically an incumbent to the Republicans. Right?

This is -- already those advantages are built-in. He has an incredibly prominent profile. One of the most famous outside of maybe Taylor Swift.

Probably the most famous person in the world.

And he's a guy that people are lining up behind.

Because most of the voters in the Republican voting populace, believe he's being targeted and wronged. In a major way. And the fact that they're want only trying to take away his presidency. His legacy.

His future prospects. But also his life. They want to take his life, and throw it into prison.

GLENN: I think even. I think we're approaching a new time. Where we could go further than that. I hate to say that. And I don't want to assign that to anyone.

I'm not saying that it's the Democrats or anyone else.

But I do think there are those who hate Donald Trump so much. And are sick.

They're absolutely sick. And that wouldn't mind, ending his life. Unfortunately.

STU: That's a dark place, I don't want to go to.

And I know you don't as well.

The question becomes. Number up, Nikki Haley has a chance to play out the string here.

She has a chance to be competitive, and win over New Hampshire.

The polls aren't particularly optimistic on that fact. But she will get a decent percentage in that state.

And, you know, have a chance to move on to South Carolina. It's her home state. She deserves the chance to play out the string. I don't want to act like it's completely over.

But, you know, for all intents and purposes, it probably is.

We talked about that tier one, tier two primary. Right?

The tier one is the normal campaign. The normal way things play out. Everyone competes to win.

That one, to me, is largely over.

You still have tier two, though, which is what happens to Donald Trump. And what happens after, if they throw him in prison. And who knows on that one. What's interesting about Haley, there's really no reason to drop out, right?

I don't know. Maybe I'm not going to see this the same way she had. But if you're here. Why not keep your campaign alive, and keep these delegates coming in at 25 and 30 percent. She will probably get 25, 30 percent in most of these states. She'll be able to bag delegates, and if something happens to Donald Trump --

GLENN: You have a say.

STU: You have a say. And I don't know what the downside is. And this leaves only Ryan Binkley left, Glenn.

And if I -- I have thought about this. I have not been able to figure out a way to do it. But if I can figure out a way to right now bet on Ryan Binkley being second place in the delegate count, I would do it. Because the most likely thing that happens here, Haley drops out. He's the only one left.

And he just -- if you don't know who he is, he is running for president on the Republican side.

GLENN: That really doesn't help me, knowing who he is. That's what he's doing currently.
I still have no idea who Binkley is.

STU: He's a Dallas businessman and pastor, and has been running the whole time.

Again, I don't think there's any reason for him to drop out.

Whoever isn't Donald Trump, is going to get some delegates here.

Haley, you would think would be -- well, why not me? I can stick around. If this thing falls apart at the top, which is possible. Again, we keep talking about how serious these threats are for Donald Trump.

It's not impossible that some of these legal threats wind up working out in a way that -- you know, we all know.

We're going in the Supreme Court, with him being on the ballot or not. My complete belief, is that the Supreme Court would be correct on that. And placed on the ballot in these states. But it's not impossible.

And if these things go the wrong way for Donald Trump. There has to be somebody there.

What might happen, the party comes together, and they just do something. And that's ugly.

If you're Nikki Haley, you have a bunch of delegates. You at least have an argument at that table.

When we're talking about leadership of the free world here, you know, I don't know.

What part of her reputation is she really going to protect by dropping out?

EXCLUSIVE: Chip Roy Explains His FIERY Rejection of Spending Bill

According to the media, there’s a big fight going on between Republicans over the House’s new slimmed-down continuing resolution spending bill. Some, including President-elect Donald Trump, wanted the bill to pass. But others, like Texas Representative Chip Roy, argued that it still wasn’t ready. However, is the Republican “unity coalition” really crumbling, like the media claims? Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn to explain what’s really going on. He argues that he IS trying to give Trump and DOGE a 100-day “runway” to fix the country. But he makes the case that, by increasing the debt ceiling by $5 trillion without agreeing on other cuts, this bill gives bad actors the ability to be an “obstacle” to Trump’s agenda further down the line. Plus, he reveals to Glenn that he believes some of these bad actors LEAKED false information about his stance to Mar-a-Lago.

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GLENN:

I think we have a great opportunity today. To show you how to have a -- tough conversation, with friends, friends. Where you deeply disagree on something.

But you know that their intent is good. They know my intent is good. Or our intent is good.

And we actually have the same end goal, but we disagree on the path. And we're going to walk away friends.

Chip Roy is joining us today. And, Chip, I love you. And I always will. And I agree with your, we've got to cut spending. We have to. But Liz Wheeler is with me. And we've been talking about it all morning. It's the -- the -- the -- the system of DOGE and Trump, the call-out to the world, in saying, you've got to surrender the Capitol. You know, the bad guys are in and about to take all the money.

Surround, and tell them, come out with your hands up. And that happened. And we scored a massive win, in an entirely new way.

Ask then you stood on principle, one we both agree with.

And it failed!

And so here's -- here's what Liz and I were talking about. Here's what we want to say to you.

And then get your response.

LIZ: Hi, Congressman Roy, this is the way I see it. I want your take on it. I love you. I think you're one of the best members of Congress. I disagree with you on the process that's happening. And I think that is the difference. The process. We elected Donald Trump to be a disruptor. Because Republican members of Congress for decades have been telling they're fiscal conservatives. They want to decrease the debt SEAL. It hasn't happened.

It hasn't -- it hasn't been done. And so Donald Trump comes in with Elon Musk, and uses this DOGE process to first identify these pieces of garbage in the first 1500-page bill. And take those things to the people. We took them to members of Congress. Congress said, okay. We'll listen to you.

So that new process was very effective.

And my question to you is: Once that process was proved to be effective. Which I think is exciting and wonderful.

How do we bridge this divide, with you, to say, okay.

Let's put some faith in this new process. And trust Elon Musk and Donald Trump and the Dow Jones process, to eventually address the debt ceiling, but get this done right now?

GLENN: And not blind trust. Chip.

CHIP: So appreciate you guys. Appreciate being on the show. Particular order. I have to go through a couple of things.

GLENN: Yep.

CHIP: Number one, it's important to remember that my job and my duty is to the Constitution, to God, and the people I represent. I told them, when I came to Washington, I would not -- I would not let the credit card and the debt ceiling and the borrowing of the United States without the spending restraints necessary to offset it.

GLENN: Okay.

CHIP: Right now, all we have are promises and ideas and notions. What I know, that neither of you respectfully no, and that none of your listeners respectfully no are the people that are in the room, that I was in with yesterday. And the day before, who are recalcitrant.

And do not want to do the spending cuts that we need to do.

That I believe the president and the DOGE guys. And everybody want to do.

My job, is to force that through the meat grinder. To demand that we do our damn job. Okay?

GLENN: Okay. So hang on. Okay. So wait. Wait. You're right. You're right. You're right. Go ahead.

CHIP: Number thee, when we were going through the bill, I'm glad the bill dropped from 1,550 pages to 116 pages. Three-quarters of Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it, have been out there spreading false facts that we supported a bad bill and didn't like the better bill.

That's not true. But let's be Lear. The 1400 pages that were cut out. It's a panacea.

There were some good stuff in there. There were some bad stuff in there. There was a lot of disinformation.

There wasn't a $70,000 pay raise. There was a 3,000-dollar pay raise.

I didn't support any pay raise. I didn't support a lot of the stuff in there.

But there's a lot of misinformation. And here's the thing: The 116 pages that were left, and I opposed violently the first bill. I was leading the charge on fighting and killing the first bill.

GLENN: And I love you.

LIZ: The second bill for 116 pages. Turned off -- turned off the pay go requirement. That we slash 1.7 trillion automatically.

And added a 5 trillion that are increase.

My view was, I could not support that, without a clear understanding of what cuts we would get, in mandatory spending next year. And undo any of the Inflation Reduction Act.

The undoing of the student loans. The undoing of the crap with the food stamps.

And everything else. I yield back.

GLENN: Okay. I yield back.

Chip, you're not in a hostile room. We love you. And we agree with your end goals. It's our end goal too. We didn't make that promise that you made to the people that voted for you. So we have more wiggle room here.

But you say -- I think our big difference is, you say, I know the guys in the room.

You're right. You do. And we -- we ceded that earlier today on the show.

You are -- one of us is wrong on trust.

I don't trust any of the weasels in Washington.

But I think Donald Trump and Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy have earned enough trust, to get a grace period, here for the first -- maybe the first year.

Or at least six months.

To turn the economy around, and also reduce the size of the government.

And totally flip this thing.

And I know, as somebody who is -- you know, run a company, mainly into a ground. But run a company, and have to switch it, in the middle, and totally reshuffle. That -- that actually costs money, while you're doing it, to bridge the gap.

Because you have to fill up holes while you're filling in the gap.

You don't trust the people in the room. Neither do we.

But we do trust the system that worked on Wednesday with DOGE and Donald Trump.

Where do we disagree?

Can you give them --

CHIP: We don't disagree. And yesterday morning, I was making that precise argument in a room full of conservatives and then a follow-up room with people who will call it, less conservatives.

GLENN: Republican. Yes.

CHIP: And so we were making this argument. And then someone infamously. Something leaked out of the room, somehow out to Mar-a-Lago. That I was being resistant. Because I was negotiating trying to get the agreement to achieve the objective that you just said. I was trying to get, okay. In fact, yesterday morning, I made the argument to a group of conservatives. We need to give the president runway. We need to give him his first 100 days. We need to appreciate JD, and Vivek, and all the people -- and everybody involved. For the president to achieve the objective.

But to get there. We have to make sure that the guys in the room, that are an obstacle to that, don't have the ability to block it.

Because information flow matters. And when those guys tell the president, they can't achieve X.

Then the president will not achieve X. Our job was to force and demand, guys, we need actual understanding of what the cuts will be.

And because otherwise, we're asking us to accept a 5 trillion-dollar limit in our credit card increase. In exchange for nothing!

Literally, in exchange for nothing, but -- but hope.

So our job was to force that change.

Unfortunately, while I was trying to make the argument that we needed something in order to get the votes, someone leaked that down to Mar-a-Lago, and the president reacted.

But now I have to now manage that.

GLENN: Right. I know. I know.

CHIP: They're trying to enforce change in town.

GLENN: So hang on.

We have to leave this. Because I'm going to run against the clock.

I could talk to you all day about this. You were in a meeting this morning about J.D. Vance. Can you tell us anything about that meeting?

CHIP: That meeting happened, because despite what happened yesterday, I'm trying to get this done. Last night, talking to JD, we worked to get this meeting done. We had some good progress this morning.

But there still remains people concerned about spending. That we can work out, what agreement we can reach. On what spending cuts. We can actually get next year, in exchange for giving the vote on a debt ceiling increase.

So it remains fluid. Progress was made. But we have to keep working on it.

And I left that meeting to talk to you. Soil get an update in a minute.

GLENN: Thank you for that, by the way.

I hear there is a new bill that may be coming today.

Is that the one you're talking about?

Or is this another bill that could be another nightmare?

CHIP: Despite other people leaking crap, I refused. I can't say, because it's not been decided by the speaker.

And it's not right to talk about things they're talking about in private meetings.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's -- it's this speaker. I mean, is he really the speaker anymore, Chip, really?

CHIP: We need to hear what bill we need to get forward. And I can't talk about the private meetings. But, look, I'm going to keep fighting for what I promised people that I represent.

I'm going to fight to cut spending. I am going to represent article one.

I'm going to support the president's agenda, but we've got to do that together.

GLENN: Okay.

Chip, thank you.

I think we can -- I think we agree, but I await to see what that means to you. Because we may just have to agree to disagree on this.

But I love you. And I still want you to replace Cornyn.

CHIP: The short version is, for inflation's sake, we cannot increase the debt ceiling $5 trillion without knowing what we're getting for it.

And I don't think anybody should disagree with that.

GLENN: But you don't disagree that Elon Musk and Trump and Vivek are serious about gutting the system.

CHIP: I believe that is their objective. I believe there are obstacles to that objective. And I need to know the sincerity of how we deal with those obstacles, both structural, and human. And we have to figure that out. And that's my job.

America's Favorite Villain Is Ready for Nuclear Fallout. Are You? | Glenn TV | Ep 401

In this episode of Glenn TV — a theatrical how-to guide to survive the breakdown of society after a nuclear attack, according to the new movie “Homestead” from Angel Studios. Glenn Beck interviews the movie’s star and executive producer, Neal McDonough, who plays the head of a family trying to survive as society is breaking down in a postapocalyptic world. You’ve probably seen Neal in everything from the hit TV shows “Yellowstone,” “Suits,” and “Justified” to movies like “Captain America,” “Minority Report,” and the groundbreaking mini-series “Band of Brothers.” Glenn asks Neal what it’s like to play a villain so often, how TV and movies are changing, and how he survived Hollywood as a devoted Christian and husband who refuses to do onscreen kissing scenes with any of his female co-stars. They also discuss his battle with alcoholism, what it’s like working the legends like Sylvester Stallone and Kevin Costner, and the cultural craving for Western cinema. Note: Angel Studios is a sponsor of “The Glenn Beck Program.” Get your tickets for “Homestead” at https://Angel.com/Beck.

Biden FLOODED the Government With DEI, But Trump Has ONE Way to Win

With just weeks left in office, President Biden (or whoever’s actually calling the shots) has decided to hire 1,200 DEI officials. Is this part of a plot to undermine Donald Trump’s plans and make it harder for him to rid the government of woke Deep State bureaucrats? Glenn and fellow BlazeTV host ‪@lizwheeler‬ discuss how other Democrats have recently proposed things like this, including a UK-style “shadow cabinet” that would oppose Trump. Liz also gives her advice to Trump on how to deal with these new DEI officials, who will be paid hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to focus on things like “health equity” …

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GLENN: Okay. Where were we, Liz?

LIZ: The Biden administration. Although, not Biden. Because he can't tell the difference between a nickel and a dime, trying to sabotage the Trump administration.

GLENN: Yeah. So the latest on this is now Biden is hiring 1200. Biden is not doing it.

But he's hiring 1200 DEI officials, and putting them just under the appointed official. So there will be 1200.

Some of these people make almost $400,000 a year. $400,000 a year! That's your tax dollar!

Will you -- in your -- in your life, your average person, I don't know if you'll ever even -- if you'll ever even pay $400,000 in taxes?

So you could be working your whole life, for that one hire.

And he's hired 1200 of them.

And all he's trying to do is make sure the DEI positions just can't get cut.

I've got news for you.

Donald Trump is going to cut those positions.

He's going to. And it's going to get ugly.

I mean, the ACLU was all over this, saying, oh, we've got plans. We're going to -- we're going to -- this is obscene.

This is absolutely obscene. What the Democrats are trying to do. By thwarting the president.

And honestly, thwarting the will of the American people. Remember the speech that was given by I don't know, some boob from -- well, one of the Carolinas.

I don't want to besmirch the other one for electing a boob. But he was -- he was giving a speech in the well of the Senate. And he said, we need a shadow government. What?

Hold it. You mean a Deep State. Because we already have one of those. And he said. This is a quote.

One of the most obscene things I've ever heard from an elected representative. We failed to make our case. That our policies are better.

Now, in my world, growing up in America, the next sentence is: We need to sit down and talk and find out why we're out of step, with the American people.

His was, but we know we're right. So we need a shadow government, to make sure we put our policies in, anyway.

There's nothing more un-American than that.

By the way, Ted Cruz also said, he thinks there's criminal charges that could be lodged against Biden and his administration for the selling of the steel and the walls for the border.

I think so too. I think so too. He'll probably end up blanketing or pardoning everybody that has either lived by a Biden. Or a Democrat.

Worked for the administration. Everybody will get a pardon at the end.

Honestly, it's like, hey. Everybody, Oprah is here.

Look under your seats.

Because you've got a pardon. You've got a pardon. And you've got a pardon.

Ugh!

Now...

PAT: The Department of Health and Human Services on November 15th. This is posted immediately after President Trump has been reelected.

They advertised for the following position. A deputy assistant secretary for Minority Health. With a salary of up to 221 thousand dollars. This is the goal of this position.

Or this is the purpose of this position.

To, quote, promote health equity.

To promote health equity.

What does that mean?

It means racial criminalization in health care.

It means, if you are seeking, I don't know.

Think about during the pandemic. When there was limited resources. Limited beds in the emergency room.

Limited amounts of drugs and therapeutics, that people could access, in order to treat COVID when it's at its worse.

Well, now you will be screened based on the color of your skin.

That's what health equity is. Health equity is a word used to disguise the reality, that it's just -- it's socialism.

It's discrimination.

It requires, a government official to look at you, and make a decision about whether or not you are going to have access to health care that you might need, based on what you look like.

Not based on the severity of your illness. Not based on your ability to pay. Not based on your request for care. But based on the color of your skin. That's not only wrong and immoral and completely absurd, that a bureaucratic in that position would make over $221,000. That's evil. The left likes to pretend, that you're a racist. Or I'm a racist. Just for voting for Donald Trump. This is evil racism. This is the kind of stuff that we eradicated from our country.

And Biden is trying to plant the Trump administration. With these evil little minions before he leaves.

GLENN: I mean, why are we -- why are we surprised?

How many anti-slavery amendments do we have, to the Constitution.

I mean, it's amazing to me. With very few exception, after ten, most of these seem to be like, oh.

Yeah. Okay.

You're so stupid, you don't understand.

Slaves need to be free. Okay.

Then the next amendment is like, okay. All right.

Let me limp up to explain this once more.

That means, they're Americans, and can vote!

How many amendments are -- are just one after another, especially on slavery.

And, by the way, who was it that didn't understand that slaves should be freed? The Democratic Party.

It -- I swear to you, these amendments are just, God, we didn't think you would be this stupid.

It's already covered!

But let's lay it out clearly, for you.

You cannot discriminate by color! By race! By religion.

We thought that had already been covered, but apparently, not.

LIZ: What I would do if I were the Trump transition team. This is obviously a deliberate effort by the Biden administration. Because within the first ten days after the election, 33 of these jobs were posted on government websites.

So this was -- they were like, okay. Trump is coming in. Let's start ceding the deep state with these races. What I would do if I were Trump transition is I would say, we take racial equality, very seriously. We take civil rights very seriously.

In the administration, of the 47th president of the United States, and anybody who engages, especially a government official who engages in racial discrimination will be prosecuted. And prevent these people from even accepting these jobs. Because they will be threatened with legal action if they do.

GLENN: You can make a legal case. A solid, legal case, that that is exactly right. And that's what should be done.

They would be doing that to us, if we were -- if we were discriminating on race. If we were like, you know what, we're only going to hire white people.

We would go to jail.

Oh, you know what. We're just going to shuffle the deck here.

We're going to look at everybody.

But we lean towards white people.

Did you have Wheaties for breakfast?

If you had Wheaties as a childhood, you're in a different category. Okay?

I mean, we would go to jail. We would be shut down.

It's the same thing.

But don't expect the Democrats to get it.

Did you see the new -- or the DNC chair front runner?

The one they're thinking should be the head of the DNC?

He said, the problem with the election is, the convention should have featured pro-Hamas activists.

LIZ: I totally agree. That absolutely should have --
GLENN: At least they would have been honest.
LIZ: Think about how many Democrat voters, and really prominent people too.

I'm talking about Joe Rogan. I'm talking about Elon Musk. I'm talking about RFK Jr. These were fairly hard-core Democrats, who not only converted to being like, okay. We'll tolerate a Republican. Because it's not Joe Biden.

It's not Kamala Harris.

These people are the biggest supporters of President Trump right now, because of that kind of garbage. So DNC, if you are going to be radical, please be honest and tell us.

Thank you. It's just ushering new Republican voters right into our arms.

GLENN: I respect you, more than I respect people like Mike Johnson.

Mike Johnson doesn't tell me what -- he doesn't tell me what he really is.

What he really believes.

He tells me what I want to hear. I don't believe it. Then he's elected. Then he gets in.

And then he rapes you.

You know, I have much more respect for -- for people who are like, yeah. I'm pro-Hamas.

And you should elect me.

Well, I don't think I'm going to do it.

But thank you for telling me who you really are.

LIZ: Yeah. Great. Let's take all of the Democrat members of Congress. And let's Jamaal Bowman them, let's Cori Bush them.

Because as soon as they were honest about being pro-Hamas, voters were like, actually, we're good.

GLENN: Yep. Yep.

By the way, Hochul has come out. And she has now tried to stir up support to end the electoral college.

Because no offense, Wyoming, according to her words, New York voted for Kamala Harris.

You know, it is so dishonest. And this would -- this would have no space, if -- if we were actually teaching you students, what the electoral college is for.

You want to talk about fairness. Here's fairness: Should New York City dictate what all of New York does?

No!

They have representation. Of all the small towns.

All the farming towns.

Everything else.

New York City, should not be the one that tells everyone else, exactly how to live!

I think there should be electoral colleges in states now.

Because the cities are just devouring, all of the communities outside of those mega cities.

The electoral college is to make sure, that New York, California, and let me say, Texas, doesn't run over all of the other states!

And force how they're living in those cities, and those big states. In Wyoming!

Or Idaho!

Or Alabama!

Yeah. I don't have to live like you do in New York City.

I don't want to live like you do in New York City.

And we have completely different values than you do.

We should have a say, and an even, equal seat at the table.

That's why we have the electoral college. And we have the popular vote.

So you can see. And it's usually pretty close.

This time, however, Hochul, you lost the popular vote!

So you don't really have a case here, on the electoral college.

But you don't have a case.

If you're an American, you don't have a case on the electoral college anyway.

LIZ: Wait a second. Have we war gamed the scenario that you just proposed.

If there was an electoral college on the state level in California or on the state level in New York, what would the -- have we actually looked at a map here. If anybody has done this. Tag me on social media.

Because I am fascinated by this idea. I've not thought of this before. But I -- would we actually swing those states Republicans, if there was a state level?

STU: I bet we would. I bet we would.

You know, every time. Look at Wyoming.

Jackson Hole now controls Wyoming. Just controls it.

Who is -- who is so close to controlling Texas?

All the big cities.

You know, you don't have a chance. When these cities grow so large, they tip everything.

That's why we have an electoral college.

And it didn't used to be this way.

But our cities are becoming mega cities.

Almost states in and among themselves.

You -- you have to balance. Otherwise, the farmer and everybody else, that makes your life possible, in a city, gets screwed.

GLENN: And also think about cheating for a second. If you have a popular vote across the whole country, versus an electoral college system, it's a lot easier to impact the outcome of the entire presidential election because you can have one county somewhere with corrupt election officials.

And if they cheat by 10,000 votes, that could change the outcome of the election.

But if you're an electoral college, it doesn't necessarily.