RADIOMarch 15, 2022

Dave Ramsey: Don’t let FEAR derail your financial plans

Dave Ramsey, financial expert and host of ‘The Ramsey Show,’ joins Glenn to discuss how fear of our unknown future may be affecting how some Americans invest or plan their finances today. It’s always best to assess risk in the marketplace, Ramsey explains, but ‘when the fear kicks in it coats your brain and lowers your critical thinking skills.’ Plus, Ramsey describes the three components of inflation we’re experiencing today, and he predicts how much further inflation may go…

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GLENN: So if it isn't Dave Ramsey. Hi, Dave, how are you?

DAVE: Great, my friend. How are you is this?

GLENN: I'm very good. But I do want to thank you for the pleasure of having my wife come home, who listens to you every day, and say, honey, see, I told you, you were crazy.

Dave Ramsey said you were crazy. Thank you for that, Dave.
(laughter)

DAVE: Any time, my friend. I am just here to help. I'm a big Glenn Beck supporter.

GLENN: Yeah, no. No. We don't even have to go down this road. We are good friends. We have been for a long time. I have a lot of respect for you, and I know it goes the other way. Here's what I do want to do. You were talking about the Great Reset.

You're in a different business, really, than I am.

You give financial advice. I don't. I always say, this is what I'm doing. But don't listen to me. Because I have no idea, what I'm talking about.

I wanted to get from you, what you think The Great Reset is.

DAVE: Well, the irony of this is, is that both our books came out the same day. January the 11th.

GLENN: Yeah. That's right.

DAVE: And both of them were on the best-seller list, at the same time.

Baby steps, millionaires. That actually started this conversation this morning too. Because what happened, a guy followed our baby steps, and became a millionaire.

Completely out of debt.

Has a net worth of $100 million. Calls in. And says, hey. I'm thinking about not investing anymore, because of the Glenn Beck reset. That's what started --

GLENN: Hold on. Hold on. Just a second. First of all, it's The Great Reset. Not the Glenn Beck reset. And I have never said that. I still -- I said, if you are concerned about it, spread your money out as wide as you can, because I don't know what will hold.

But I still have my house. I still have money in the stock market. I'm very careful on who I invest with. I don't want to invest with BlackRock. Although, if you want to make money, that's what you should do.

If you want to make money.

DAVE: Well, if you have no principles.

GLENN: Yeah.

DAVE: So, you know, no. I'm not an expert on the great reset.

You are. You wrote the book on it. And diversification, what you're talking about there. Spreading your money out.

The Bible says, spread your portions to seven, yes, to eight. For disaster, make them upon -- diversification is the oldest financial rule ever. Never put all your eggs in one basket. Some dude has the basket, and he's been smoking pot. Do not put all your eggs in one basket. Correct?

GLENN: Correct.

DAVE: So that's what we're talking about. And, certainly, we would espouse that as well. What I was trying to do was keeping the guy from freaking out. Becoming scared that the world was coming to an end, and trashing all his investments, that caused him to become a millionaire in the first place.

GLENN: Yeah. So, Dave, this is one of the reasons why I'm thrilled to have you on. Because honestly, you know, I don't know if you know what stakeholder capitalism is. But that's the driving force, or the theory behind The Great Reset.

And you've got the Treasury. You have Yellen saying, this is what we're doing. We're going to have stakeholder capitalism. That's 21st century fascism.

And if you don't mind, not telling your school board, I think you're wrong.

Then you're not going to have a problem with ESG scores.

But you have to play ball, exactly the way, they are telling you. Down the road. With digital money, which is something that the executive order came out last week on.

And so I don't know what it's going to look like on the other side of this.

I have no idea. What's going on. I do know, just with inflation, we have got to batten down the hatches. So what should people do, to batten down the hatches?

DAVE: Well, when we go back in history, the thing we always want to avoid. We always want to be safe. We always want to assess risk in the marketplace. What you want to talk about. We always want to be wise then. The storms are coming. We perceive a storm. Here's where people get crazy. When the fear kicks in, it coats your brain and lowers your critical thinking skills, and they go nuts.

And so I'll give you an old example, I was thinking of this morning, knowing I was going to be on here.

In 1982 Peter Crase (phonetic) was put on the Grace Commission by Ronald Reagan, to study government overspending.

And the deficit, and the damage of the deficits. His cochair on that was a guy named Harry Figgie.

Both of them were billionaires at the time. And Figgie wrote a book later that year, called Bankruptcy 1995, predicting the end of the American economy as we know it because of the deficit increase. Apparently, he was wrong.

Larry Burkett wrote a book called The Coming Economic Earthquake that was predicted in 1992, the world was going to come to an end, and the economic crisis was going to cause America to end as we know it. And, apparently, was wrong.

My good friend, Robert Kiyosaki who wrote a wonderful book called Rich Dad Poor Dad, wrote a book called Rich Dad's Prophecy, where he predicted the end of the stock market as we know it in 2016. Apparently, he was wrong.

So I don't want people to not invest because of fear, by going -- swinging the pendulum too far to the other side. But it is wisdom, there in the middle, to say, hey. I don't like what's going on. I smell fascism. I smell Fauci running the economy. You know, I'm a Libertarian. Leave me free.

Because a free man will drive an economy. But when you start tinkering around in the background, in the back rooms with these things, is there something to be concerned about?

Sure. So you have to be wise about it. But don't oversteer the car, and flip it.

GLENN: Absolutely.

But let me ask you a couple of things.

First of all, I was called a fearmonger in 2006 and '7, when I said, this housing stuff, with the banks, it doesn't work.

There's going to be a collapse. Everybody called me crazy.

As he know, what happened was the crash of 2008. Now, it wasn't as bad as I thought. And that is only because of TARP.

Which was something that is absolutely unconstitutional. And unthinkable, before that crash.

DAVE: No question. No question.

GLENN: Now, I haven't read Kiyosaki's book, but I know him and I respect him.

DAVE: He's the guy.

GLENN: But there's a difference between the end of America and the end of, as he said, the stock market, as we know it.

Because I look at the stock market today, and it makes no sense. We're closing down all of -- you know, all businesses in America, and the rest of the world?

And the stock market continues to go up?

That's not the stock market that I know.

DAVE: Well, the stock market on the short-term is driven by profits. And profits are very, very real right now. In spite of all the economic crap out there. The profits are very real.

But to predict the end of the stock market. Is to predict every household name, that we know of, evaporating.

GLENN: Right. Right.

DAVE: Home Depot. Microsoft. Apple. McDonald's. Coca-cola are all zero. That's the end of the stock market. That's the end of America.

GLENN: Yes, it is.

But what I'm asking you is, the end of the stock market as we know it. I don't know what he wrote. And maybe he wrote, it will be at zero. I don't believe that.

I believe there are companies that will -- just like in the Great Depression. Companies that will fall away. Companies that are tried and true. And rock solid. And they will continue.

DAVE: Yeah. Well, any time stupid is stress tested. We get to see it's stupid. So that's what happens.

I think in '08, maybe you and I were arguing about gold if you remember. Or I was arguing with somebody about it, because everybody was buying gold in that crash. And I just pulled this up a minute ago.

I told people, don't buy gold. I've always told them not to buy gold.

So in the last 10 years, gold had a 3.71 percent rate of return, and the stock market has had a 12.2 percent rate of return.

GLENN: So I don't --

DAVE: Don't buy gold.

GLENN: Well, I disagree with you. The 3.5. When I started talking about it, it's up 10X. However, I don't buy it as my get rich thing. And I say this all the time. I don't buy it for investment. I buy it for insurance against insanity. It's the same reason why China just purchased 220,000 tons of gold. In the end, when the madness of printing becomes clear, the world generally resets, to some sort of a commodity, usually gold.

That's what they're doing now, in China.

DAVE: It completely melts down, it resets to a barter economy. Then a currency will erupt. And you will see that, on a completely collapsed economy. Venezuela or Nazi Germany, when hyperinflation. And it was a wheelbarrow load of money to buy a loaf of bread. So you have hyperinflation kick in. What happens is, currency is based on trust. So it's actually a spiritual animal, in that sense.

And so when you quit trusting that a piece of green paper, with the president's face on it, will buy something. Then you have to trust that something else will work.

And if you trust gold will work, that's fine.

But in a completely melted down economy, people really want bullets, water, blue jeans, and gasoline.

GLENN: So what do you say about the reset of a currency? Which Russia and China are doing clearly, trying to take the petrodollar apart.

So half the world would go that way if their plan would work. And a reset to a digital dollar.
DAVE: Well, it can happen. Again, the thing that has to happen for these things to occur is trust has to evaporate.

You have to no longer believe -- when a certain number of people believe that a bitcoin is worth something, that's the only thing that makes it worth something.

It has no intrinsic value. Actually, a bar of gold has no intrinsic value. Any more than a piece of paper does. It's when people are fighting over it. Arguing with it about. Negotiating for it, that gives it value. That's the trust factor.

You can move trust around in currencies. And that's why -- and I don't recommend trading currencies. I don't trade currencies. But if you will trade on the yin, you would say, all right. What is the outlook for China's economic conditioning?

GLENN: Right. So I'm not talking about trading currencies. I'm talking about the trading of currencies.

DAVE: Well, it's the same thing.

GLENN: The average person loses about 40 percent on their dollar. If you read Yellen. Yellen is talking about, this time it will be different because it will be an equitable exchange, when the new currency would be introduced.

Which scares the hell out of me.

DAVE: Sure. That's all socialism language. That's just BS. The thing that will happen --

GLENN: Wait. Wait.

When you say BS. You mean, it will not happen.

DAVE: She does not have the power she thinks she has. There's too many of us that really trust and believe in the free enterprise system. That really trust and believe in America for a couple of -- handful of socialists to actually run the dadgum thing. We're not going to tolerate it.

You think people would have stayed in their houses much longer off of Fauci? We were about done, boy? I mean, we were all about done, weren't we?

Were we about to come out of our houses with pitchforks and torches?

GLENN: I don't know. I live in Texas, so it was fine. I live in Texas, so it was fine here. But I think the rest of the country was.

DAVE: Yeah. If we go to back to work, and I was trying to kill my employees. So it was nutty. Just nutty. So the bottom line is, there are enough critical thinkers out there that are capitalist, that do believe in this.

That it's harder to take over the world than it sounds, in my opinion. I don't know. It's a fun discussion, because I love you. You have such a great brain. I love talking to you about this stuff. And, again, if we know it's a friendly territory, because we've got so much respect for each other over the years.

But so I think that I'm not going to write a book, that predicts a crash.

Because I've seen too many books written.

GLENN: Written. Sure.

DAVE: And I'm not predicting that on you, by the way. I'm just saying, I'm not going to change my investment strategy, dramatically, because I am fearful of the world as we know it, to quit operating.

GLENN: Well, I will tell you, that there's a lot of people out there, that having advice. That I think are morons.

I agree with your advice.

Because you are built around, get out of debt.

DAVE: Yeah. Sure.

GLENN: And there's nothing that you could do, that is better for preparedness, for any eventuality. Good or bad.

DAVE: And the funny thing, that works when you're prospering, and the economy is going bonkers good. And it works when there's really bad times. And these people in control are fascist and nutty.

It's hard to foreclose under my house, under current law, when I don't have a mortgage.

GLENN: Real quick.

I only have about a minute. Minute and a half. Your thoughts on inflation?

DAVE: There's two components to it right now.

The energy component is 100 percent on Biden's desk. He's completely screwed the pooch on this.

It's a supply/demand problem. He cut the faucet off, trying to be all greeny, and he drove gas prices through the roof.

He single-handedly did it. It's an administrative nightmare. There's another portion he had nothing to do with, but he's getting blamed for. And that was, we shut everything down, factories and everything for 90 days. Or 120 days. Or six months.

And we screwed up the supply. Then we screwed up the supply chain. Then there was an earthquake at sea, and when the tsunami hit, it was everybody came out and started buying stuff, and there wasn't any stuff to buy.

So the supply/demand curve drove prices through the roof. That wasn't his fault.

Then the third piece is the labor disruption.

Part of that is his fault, because he paid people to sit on their butts at home, when they should have gotten back to work.

If they had gotten back to work, we could have gotten the economy moving again in a proper way.

Instead, they're coming back. We're paying people $20 an hour at Target. Guess what, Target marks up the price of those goods on the shelf, to govern the $20 guy putting them on the shelf. So you're paying for his living wage.

GLENN: How much -- how much worse does it get?

DAVE: Yeah. I -- you know, I think it's going to smooth out pretty quick. The energy thing is the most disturbing. He could be controlled. He could fix it really quick. But he's not going to.

GLENN: Dave. I love you. Dave Ramsey. I mean, I disagree with you on almost all of this. The name of his book is Baby Steps.

DAVE: Agree with. What good say friend you agree with all the time?

GLENN: Baby Step Millionaires is the name of the book. It's a New York Times best-seller. As if that means anything anymore.

DAVE: No, it does not.

GLENN: Baby Steps Millionaires. If you've never listened to the show, you should. It's a great way to get your house in order. Dave, thank you very much. God bless.

DAVE: Love you, bro. Be good.

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Salena Zito reveals WHY Trump said “Fight! Fight! Fight!”

“I have a new purpose,” then-candidate Donald Trump told reporter Salena Zito after surviving the assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania. Salena joins Glenn Beck to reveal what Trump told her about God, his purpose in life, and why he really said, “Fight! Fight! Fight!”, as she details in her new book, “Butler: The Untold Story of the Near Assassination of Donald Trump and the Fight for America's Heartland”.

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GLENN: Salena, congratulations on your book. It is so good.

Just started reading it. Or listening to it, last night.

And I wish you would have -- I wish you would have read it. But, you know, the lady you have reading it is really good.

I just enjoy the way you tell stories.

The writing of this is the best explanation on who Trump supporters are. That I think I've ever read, from anybody.

It's really good.

And the description of your experience there at the edge of the stage with Donald Trump is pretty remarkable as well. Welcome to the program.

SALENA: Thank you, Glenn. Thank you so much for having me.

You know, I was thinking about this, as I was ready to come on. You and I have been along for this ride forever. For what?

Since 2006? 2005?

Like 20 years, right?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

SALENA: And I've been chronicling the American people for probably ten more years, before that. And it's really remarkable to me, as watching how this coalition has grown. Right?

And watching how people have the -- have become more aspirational.

And that's -- and that is what the conservative populist coalition is, right?

It is the aspirations of many, but the celebration of the individual.

And chronicling them, yeah. Has been -- has been, a great honor.

GLENN: You know, I was thinking about this yesterday, when -- when Elon Musk said he was starting another party.

And somebody asked me, well, isn't he doing what the Tea Party tried to do?

No. The Tea Party was not going to start a new party.

It was to -- you know, it was to coerce and convince the Republican Party to do the right thing. And it worked in many ways. It didn't accomplish what we hoped.

But it did accomplish a lot of things.

Donald Trump is a result of the Tea Party.

I truly believe that. And a lot of the people that were -- right?

Were with Donald Trump, are the people that were with the Tea Party.

SALENA: That's absolutely right.

So that was the inception.

So American politics has always had movements, that have been just outside of a party. Or within a party.

That galvanize and broaden the coalition. Right? They don't take away. Or walk away, and become another party.

If anything, if there is a third party out there, it's almost a Republican Party.

Because it has changed in so many viable and meaningful ways. And the Tea Party didn't go away. It strengthened and broadened the Republican Party. Because these weren't just Republicans that became part of this party.

It was independents. It was Democrats.

And just unhappy with the establishment Republicans. And unhappy with Democrats.

And that -- that movement is what we -- what I see today.

What I see every day. What I saw that day, in butler, when I showed I happen at that rally.

As I do, so many rallies, you know, throughout my career. And that one was riveting and changed everything.

GLENN: You made a great case in the opening chapter. You talk about how things were going for Donald Trump.

And how this moment really did change everything for Donald Trump.

Changed the trajectory, changed the mood.

I mean, Elon Musk was not on the Trump train, until this.

SALENA: Yeah.

GLENN: Moment. What do I -- what changed? How -- how did that work?

And -- and I contend, that we would have much more profound change, had the media actually done their job and reported this the way it really was. Pragmatism

SALENA: You know, and people will find this in the book. I'm laying on the ground with an agent on top of me.

I'm 4 feet away from the president.

And there's -- there's notices coming up on my phone. Saying, he was hit by broken glass.

And to this take, that remains part of this sibling culture, in American politics.

Because reporters were -- were so anxious to -- to right what they believed happened.

As opposed to what happened.

And it's been a continual frustration of mine, as a reporter, who is on the ground, all the time.

And I'll tell you, what changed in that moment.

And I say a nuance, and I believe nuance is dead in American journalism.

But it was a nuance and it was a powerful conversation, that I had with President Trump, the next day. He called me the next morning.

But it's a powerful conversation I had with him, just two weeks ago.

When he made this decision to say, fight, fight, fight.

People have put in their heads, why they think he said it. But he told me why he said that. And he said, Salena, in that moment, I was not Donald Trump the man. I was a former president. I was quite possibly going to be president again.

And I had an obligation to the country, and to the office that I have served in, to project strength. To project resolve.

To project that we will not be defeated.

And it's sort of like a symbolic eagle, that is always -- you know, that symbol that we look at, when we think about our country.

He said, that's why I said that. I didn't want the people behind me panicking. I didn't want the people watching, panicking.

I had to show strength. And it's that nuance -- that I think people really picked up on.

And galvanized people.

GLENN: So he told me, when he was laying down on the stage.

And you can hear him. Let me get up. Let me get up.

I've got to get up.

He told me, as I was laying on the stage. I asked him, what were you thinking? What was going through your head? Now, Salena, I don't know about you.

But with me. It would be like, how do I get off the stage? My first was survival.

He said, what was going on through his mind was, you're not pathetic. This is pathetic.

You're not afraid. Get up.

Get up.

And so is that what informed his fight, fight, fight, of that by the time that he's standing up, he's thinking, I'm a symbol? Or do you think he was thinking, I'm a symbol, this looks pathetic. It makes you look weak.

Stand up. How do you think that actually happened?

SALENA: He thinks, and we just talked about this weeks ago. He -- you know, and this is something that he's really thought about.

Right? You know, he's gone over and over and over. And also, purpose and God. Right? These are things that have lingered with him.

You know, he -- he thought, yes.

He did think, it was pathetic that he was on the ground. But he wasn't thinking about, I'm Donald Trump. It's pathetic.

He's thinking, my country is symbolically on the ground. I need to get up, and I need to show that my country is strong.

That our country is resolute.

And I need people to see that.

We can't go on looking like pathetic.

Right?

And I think that then goes to that image of Biden.

GLENN: You have been with so many presidents.

How many presidents do you think that you've personally been with, would have thought that and reacted that way?

SALENA: Probably only Reagan. Reagan would have. Reagan probably would have thought that.

And if you remember how he was out like standing outside.

You know, waving out the window. Right?

After he was shot.

GLENN: At the hospital, right.

SALENA: Had he not been knocked out, unconscious, you know, he probably would have done the same thing.

Because he was someone who deeply believed in American exceptionalism.

And American exceptionalism does not go lay on the ground.

GLENN: And the symbol.

Right. The symbol of the presidency.

SALENA: Yeah. Absolutely. And I think that affects him today.

GLENN: So let me go back to God.

Because you talked to him the next day. And your book Butler.

He calls you up.

I love the fact that your parents would be ashamed of you. On what you said to him.

The language you used. That you just have to read the book.

It's just a great part.

But he calls you the next morning. And wants to know if you're okay.

And you -- you then start talking to him, about God.

And I was -- I was thinking about this, as I was listening to it. You know, Lincoln said, I wasn't -- I wasn't a Christian.

Even though, he was.

I wasn't a Christian, when I was elected. I wasn't a Christian when my son died.

I became a Christian at Gettysburg.

Is -- is -- I mean, I believe Donald Trump always believes in God, et cetera, et cetera.

Do you think there was a real profound change at Butler with him?

SALENA: Absolutely. You know, he called me seven times that day. Seven times, the take after seven.

GLENN: Crazy.

SALENA: Talked about. And I think he was looking for someone that he knew, that was there. And to try to sort it out.

Right? And I let him do most of the talking. I didn't pressure him.

At all. I believed that he was having -- you know, he was struggling. And he needed to just talk. And I believed my purpose was to listen.

Right? I know other reporters would have handled it differently. And that's okay. That's not the kind of reporter that I am.

And I myself was having my own like, why didn't I die?

Right?

Because it went right over my head.

And -- and so I -- he had the conversation about God.

He's funny. I thought it was the biggest mosquito in the world that hit me.

But he had talked profoundly about purpose. You know, and God.

And how God was in that moment.

It --

GLENN: I love the way you -- in the book, I love the way you said that as he's kind of working it out in his own he head.

He was like, you know, I -- I -- I always knew that there was some sort of, you know -- that God was present.

He said, but now that this has happened.

I look back at all of the trials.

All of the tribulations. Literally, the trials.

All of the things that have happened. And he's like, I realized God was there the whole time.

SALENA: Yes. He does. And it's fascinating to have been that witness to history, to have those conversations with him. Because I'm telling you. And y'all know, I can talk. I didn't say much of anything.

I just -- I just listened. I felt that was my purpose, in that moment.

To give him that space, to work it out.

I'm someone that is, you know, believes in God.

I'm Catholic. I followed my faith.

And -- and so, I thought, well, this is why God put me here. Right?

And to -- to have that -- to hear him talk about purpose, to hear him say, Salena. Why did I put a chart down?

I'm like, sir. I don't know. I thought you were Ross Perot for a second.

He never has a chart. And he laughed. And then he said, why did I put that chart down?

By that term, I never turned my head away from people at the rally. That's true.

That relationship is very transactional. It's very -- they feed off of each other.

It's a very emotive moment when you attend a rally. Because he has a way of talking at a rally. That you believe that you are seeing.

And he said, and I never turn my head away.

I never turn my head away.

Why did I turn my head away?

I don't remember consciously thinking about turning my head away. And then he says to me, that was God, wasn't it?

Yes, sir. It was. It was God.

And he said, that's -- that's why I have a new purpose.

And so, Glenn. I think it's important, when you look at the breadth of what has happened, since he was sworn in.

You see that purpose, every day.

He doesn't let up.

He continues going.

And it brings back to the beginning of the book.

Where you find out, that there was another president that was shot at in Butler.

And that was George Washington. And how different the country would have been, had he died in that moment.

And now think about how different the country would be, had President Trump died in that moment. There would be --

GLENN: We're talking to -- we're talking to Salena Zito. About her new book called Butler. The assassination attempt on President Trump. And it is riveting.

And, you know, it is so good. I wish the press would read it. Because it really explains who we are, who Trump supporters are. Who are, you know, red staters. It is so good at that. She's the best at that.