RADIONovember 08, 2024

How Charlie Kirk BEAT THE LEFT at its own election games

Much of the credit for Donald Trump’s 2024 presidential victory should go to Turning Point USA founder and CEO ‪@RealCharlieKirk‬, Glenn says. The Left has dominated get-out-the-vote efforts for years. But in 2024, Charlie Kirk was able to beat them at their own game. Charlie joins Glenn to explain his winning strategy and why he believes Trump would have lost states like Wisconsin if they hadn’t targeted new voters so intensely. Glenn and Charlie also discuss how “this was the election of the podcast.”

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Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: All right. The first person we have to thank, or the first thing that we have to thank is God.

God worked miracles in this country, this last week.

And we would be remiss and really poor children, if we didn't recognize his hand in this election.

It is incredible, what has happened.

I told you before, I've -- I can find a million ways, this thing flies apart. But there's only one way, we hold it together.

And that's God.

And I think we've all witnessed that. Now, on the human level, one of the guys who I don't think has gotten enough credit yet, but will get all the credit he deserves.

Is Charlie Kirk.

Charlie started something called Turning Point USA. I know you know of it. To have

He is the host and founder of -- the founder and CEO of turning point. Also, the host of the Charlie Kirk show.

But this guy, I don't know what we would have done without you, Charlie.

I mean, you really turned the vote out. Thank you.

CHARLIE: Well, Glenn, first of all, you said it correctly. Glory be to God. We were a couple millimeters to the entire country going to bedlam. You so perfectly said, throughout the entire campaign, I have this -- the spirit of paranoia, are we really going to do this? Are they going to come up another sneak attack? Are they going to do another COVID? And every corner and every turn. So glory be to God. God is not done with this land.

GLENN: That's true.

CHARLIE: And second, I wish I could take credit for this. But it's American people. And I know it sounds cliche and I know it sounds generic. But the American people stood the most intense propaganda political hurricane of American history. There's never been anything like it. It was worse than 2020. It was worse than 2016. Calling us Nazis and fascists. And, you know, saying that Donald Trump was going to -- you know, put people in camps and all that.

The American people weighed their options, despite Kamala Harris spending Donald Trump three to one, and made the right choice.

Look, we played a small role. And we did it in two ways. We said, on this election, we want to try to lose by less with younger voters.

And then we will create the most sophisticated, low propensity, get out the vote, turnout machine in -- in modern political history for the right.

And here was our series of cases.

First, on the get out the vote.

Which is that we believed that there were millions of people that were Trump supporters. That were not Trump voters. The people that would say, yay, Trump! And they would be with them.

But they weren't putting a ballot in the box.

They weren't casting a vote.

We tested the theory of the case.

When I started to go to Trump rallies. And I would ask people, and I would take a lot of selfies with people who are super nice and they love the country. And one out of 30 people, I would say, hey. Are you ready for the vote?

And they would say, oh, yeah. I think so.

I would get this kind of, you know, half answer.

And so I went back to my team. I said, guys, I think there's a lot more in this reservoir than we realize.

And so we compared with the data. With the Trump campaign. Which we were allowed to do, thanks to an FEC ruling back in the spring.

And we said, guys, let's beat the left at their own it became.

Let's engage in early voting. Even though it's a flawed system, in a way that's never been done before.

Because, again, there's actually more days to get low likely voters to go vote. If you have 30 days, you can then get someone who is not as easy to persuade the vote, because then you can get five or six touches on them.

We hired well over 1,000 full-time people into the greatest ground force that's ever done.

We raised tens of millions of dollars. Praise God from our donors. And we pitched them on this thing, saying, hey. The road to the White House will be going through these states.

We know that. We will be the first registered voters build relationships and communities. And then drive a turnout machine over a 30-day period to get Donald Trump across the finished line.

And the states we primarily focused on was Arizona and Wisconsin.

We spent work of course in Pennsylvania, in Georgia, but in really, Arizona, Wisconsin.

And in Wisconsin, I can tell you, that if it wasn't for our effort. Donald Trump would have fallen short.

We chased in excess of over 70,000 low propensity voters in Wisconsin. Donald Trump won by 28,000 votes.

Here in Arizona, as we are speaking, we still have 850,000 votes still to count. We realize it could take at least 90 days to count our ballots here. It's a joke. It's really something else.

GLENN: I know it is. I know it is.

CHARLIE: But by St. Patrick's, we'll find out who won that race in Arizona.

But Kari Lake is down 44,000 votes here in Arizona, and she might -- she might fall 10,000 votes short, or win by ten thousand votes.

But thanks to our effort and the team, we closed an eight-point polling gap for Kari Lake.

And so, look, basically what we did, we took this movement that Donald Trump created, that Donald Trump led, and we added machinery to the movement.

And we were able to successfully turn Trump supporters into Trump voters.

GLENN: You know, Charlie, I've been -- you know, obviously looking at this, forever.

And we've never had a G.O.P. that could get out of its own way.

We've never had one that was competent.

We never had a plan other than, hey. We're just better.

And we -- we lost it. Every time. Because we were either stupid. Or we just couldn't get out of our own way. And get people to the polls.

This time around, I felt real confidence, that the G.O.P. had these issues covered, at the polling places.

That it was going to be secure. That if it wasn't, they had the attorneys, and they had he have been of else out there.

Just like the Democrats do, and we were going to catch the bad guys, if the bad guys showed up.

So we had that confidence. And we also had confidence because of what we were doing. That we were going after the -- the low propensity voter.

That we -- you know, I've said for years. Hey, somebody should get a bus, like they do.

And put people on a bus, and take them to the polls.

Somebody should do this.

CHARLIE: Oh, we did that.

GLENN: I know you did. I know you did. And that made all the difference in the world.

CHARLIE: Well, thank you, Glenn. And let me say one thing. Which, again, our theory of the case was that okay. The RNC would limit some of the shenanigans. Which, by the way, we didn't completely eliminate. Without that, we would have Senator Mike Lee from Wisconsin.

But one of the ways to offset the shenanigans and the tomfoolery, is you outnumber there.

And so you have so many ballots in the volume of the system. That, you know, their midnight drops in Milwaukee are just not going to be sufficient. And it turns out, that that was a correct way of looking at it. And I want to say, one other thing, though. This was very, very difficult work, and your team deserves enormous credit.

Not just the full-time staff. You'll love this, Glenn.

We do this thing called commit 100.

Where we say, hey, if you're across the country. And you're tired of listening to talk radio and watching TV and seeing your country fall apart.

If you will be able to fly yourself to Arizona, we'll put you up in a hotel room for a week or two.

And we will give you the mobile technology to go chase ballots. We have over 2,000 people from across the country, that were working neighborhoods in Arizona to go chase ballots.

2,000 volunteers from across the country. On top of, in Arizona, our 600 full-time people, on the ground

So we blanketed the state. And Arizona, again, it's my passion.

It's that that is performing of the seven battleground states, and we're still counting votes.

It's the greatest swing of any battleground states in 2020.

And it should give your audience a lot of renewed confidence.

Is that we are catching up to how the left has gamified our elections.

They turn it into a game. Who can get the most amount of pieces of paper in the box? And we were -- we're still dealing in an antiquated mindset, where we believe that elections were just about worldview and values and issues. Back in, like, 2004.

The left, they changed all the rules. And that made them permanent in COVID. And between 2022 and especially in 2024, we learned the rules. We caught up. And then we beat them at their own with game. And that is what is so promising and encouraging. That we were able to add this machinery, to a once in a generation movement. And I will add one other thing. Is that some people were saying, it was a landslide.

It was. However, Glenn, we're talking about Donald Trump. The final canvases will come out. He won Wisconsin by 30,000 votes.

Pennsylvania, one point. Michigan, point and a half.

Without the turnout operation, without the voter integrity operation, the Trump campaign, and the RNC, you could make an argument -- and also, the second layer is that we did 25 points better with younger voters.

We won the youth vote in Michigan. We almost won -- yeah. Go ahead.

GLENN: What do you attribute that to, other than, you know, your work. And the work of others?

Do me a favor do you -- how much do you put into Elon Musk, RFK, Joe Rogan? Theo Von? Yeah.

CHARLIE: Yeah. First of all, Elon Musk is an American hero. And that guy is the best of America, who decided to just put everything on the line, for his country.

And I can't say enough good things about him. And, by the way, President Trump deserves so much credit for doing this long form podcast. This was the year -- this was the election of the podcast. And Democrats were unbelievable.

GLENN: This is the end of the -- I said this the week before he went on Joe Rogan. I said, you watch. He'll go on Joe Rogan. 100 million people. And it will be the end of the mainstream ahead.

This will -- this will show everybody for 2028, there's no reason to do a debate on ABC.

There's no reason to do an interview with CBS.

Why? Why would you do that?

Everything changed, this time.

CHARLIE: That's exactly right.

And I attribute a lot to that. And in addition, Donald Trump was able to -- he was able to sit for three hours, with no notes and go deep on the issues and have a total command of the subjects.

GLENN: I know. I know.

CHARLIE: Here is the new standard though, and Democrats have to know this.

You will never win another presidential election, if you nominate another candidate who is unable to do long form podcasting.

People won't trust you. End of story. And if you do not have a candidate, who can go deep and that can think on their feet and have memory recall and be personable and charming and affable, the American people will reject that. Long gone are the days of 7-minute, 60-minute interviews, right?

Or, you know, ten-minute Meet The Press, where you have five questions, and they're prepared.

Now, you have to earn the vote. Because people are going to listen to you for three hours and see your tone and inflection. And whether you mean it.

And so Donald Trump excelled in that. And Joe Rogan deserves such credit for having the platform, and to his credit as well, he was very fair. He wanted to broker a fair deal where Kamala was invited and Donald Trump. The other thing I will say though.

And I think you will appreciate this, Glenn. With younger voters.

Is that there was that pent-up rebellion energy, amongst young Gen Zers for how they were treated during COVID.

During COVID, they had their proms cancelled. Their graduation. Summer classes. A lot of their friends committed suicide.

They were part of this generation that was hyper propagandized by the left wing woke stuff during the summer of Floyd.

And they realized that it was lies. And that it was misrepresentations, and then they get their news from podcasting. And podcasting comes out, talking about how great Donald Trump was and how awful Kamala was, because that was the right framing. And the generation started to tilt right.

And so -- what was so remarkable, is that Democrats, they didn't see this coming.

They were so confident.

They were so cocky. That younger voters were going to continue to support them.

Again, you could make the argument.

If it was for the mass movement of younger voters in some of these states.

Donald Trump might not have won. And, again, the Sunbelt was a separate story.

We did very well in the Sunbelt, 4 or 5-point margins.

But the Rest Belt was one and a half, 1-point margins. We're talking about 30,000 votes here. So all of these things add up, in a very significant way.

And it also should give your audience such hope.

There's almost no documented case of a generation that becomes more liberal, as they get older.

So the fact that this generation is the most conservative voting generation since 1988. That means that the future is only going to get redder.

It's only going to become more conservative, as they own property and get married and have children.

So our starting point is the best starting point for our political movement since Ronald Reagan.

And credit to Donald Trump. And please, sorry.

GLENN: And I think that it is only going to grow from here, if Donald Trump can tick off the things that are on his list to do.

GLENN: So, Charlie, we were talking about what -- you know, why Trump won. Why did Kamala lose?

CHARLIE: Well, that's interesting. And, again, I will say, the narrative should be that Trump won more than she lost. However, she was unable to do the basic, as we said, long form podcasting. She misread the room. And I think the interesting story that should be explored is, where did all the money go? The most funded campaign in history. A billion dollars.

Now, $20 million in debt.

And I have a personal axe to grind here.

Because, you know, we were one of the groups that the media was setting up to fail. Okay? Let's just be honest. There were so many articles written in the last couple of months. Trump team takes big risk outsourcing GOTV to Turning Point and Elon Musk.

You probably saw the stories, right, Glenn? It was every major outlet.

GLENN: Oh, yeah, I did.

CHARLIE: And they were setting us up to fail, and we would get on the phones with these reporters. And we would say, hey, we're doing real things.

Maybe you guys should be more nuanced. And they said, well, the Kamala team has the most sophisticated get out vote operation ever, and their ground game. And they're knocking on tens of millions of doors, and we would tell them. And this was true. I said, never conflate results and activity.

The Kamala team was doing a lot of activity. But they weren't producing results. So the Kamala ground game was completely overrated.

Somebody made a lot of money, and misled a lot of people, and a lot of Democratic donors.

So let's just be honest on the issues. Let's just also on the issues though.

Is that Kamala Harris and the entire regime, they were trying to continue to occupy a country that they resent.

And that, as a basic operating formula, is almost an impossible way to hold on to political power.

You can't continue to govern a country when you disdain the people that you are pathed to oversee.

And, I mean, we can go one example to the other. I'm sure you cover this on your show.

But Star County, Texas. Which has not voted Republican. In over 100 years.

The most Hispanic county in America, Donald Trump won.

I mean, there was this multi-racial reckoning against the Democrat Party.

Young, old, black, Hispanic.

And finally, Kamala Harris and her entire team, they -- they -- they did everything they possibly could to not defend their own positions. But try to make it a referendum on Donald Trump.

Now, Donald Trump refuted quite a gift.

He received quite a gift. Because for the first time since Grover Cleveland, he was able to embrace the advantages of being an incumbent and the advantages of being a challenger.

So think about it. You can say, how great my record was. And how terrible the person currently in office is. If you think about that analytically, that's almost an impossible. It's impossible to beat that. Because you could be incredibly -- you could be very, very critical. So that wins you points. People like that in politics. At the same time, you can also have a sterling record to run on. So it's not just hypothetical. So Donald Trump leaned into the best of all circumstances. Being a challenger and also an incumbent. And, yeah. And also, Kamala Harris didn't have a primary. That's another thing that I said.

Don't -- when I try to implement a candidate without a primary, don't assume that all the Democrats are going to support you. I have many other thoughts on this.

GLENN: Well, I've got just about 30 seconds here, before a break. So good time to just take a breath. I do want to go back to that.

But I -- I also want to go back to Hispanics.

Because they have alienated themselves with everybody. Now, they're talking about how Hispanics are anti-black. And I've heard black are anti-Hispanics. I mean, they're just -- they're at war with themselves.

I don't know how they come back from this. But, you know, vampires, you always think are dead. But they come back.

Dr. Oz EXPOSES the $15 Billion Medicare SCAM Behind the Gov't Shutdown

Glenn Beck sits down with Dr. Mehmet Oz to reveal the shocking truth behind the government shutdown and how billions of taxpayer dollars are being STOLEN through Medicare and Medicaid fraud. From California’s healthcare funding for illegals, to foreign governments like Russia, China, and Cuba exploiting America’s medical system, this discussion exposes the corruption draining our nation’s resources. Was this the real reason for the government shutdown?

The DISTURBING truth about the END of the government shutdown

Enough Democrats have finally decided to end the government shutdown. But as we await a final vote, Glenn warns that the battle is far from over. The shutdown had a MAJOR effect on our nation: it softened people up even more to socialism.

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STU: Thank God, we are out of this shutdown potentially.

That's the thing today.

GLENN: Yeah. Are we? Are we though?

Are we?

STU: Yeah. The Democrats stepped up. Or folded, depending on who you are talking to. And solved this for us.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

Thank you for that. I appreciate that.

It is -- it's so clear now that all they did was they held this for the election, to try to win the election. And now they're ready to -- to fold. And we are seeing people with real, real problems all around the country.

Socialism is becoming popular because the -- quite honestly, the -- the right is not -- is not answering the question, what do we do from here?

We are in what's called a K shaped economy right now.

And that's what happens after a crisis. When the different groups, head to different opposite directions and locations.

If you think about a K, you think the upper line goes up. And the lower line, that's the -- the up are the people with assets and homes and stable jobs.

And they'll do well.

But the lower -- the lower line goes down.

And that's the people living paycheck to paycheck.

The renters. The small businesses. The wage earners. That all fall behind.

And right now, you're seeing on television, you're seeing, oh, my gosh. Look at, the stock market is up. All of these things are up. Well, that's great. Some rise. Some sink. But the gap is widening here. The K at the very beginning where the two lines meet is very, very close to each other.

But as they keep going, those lines becomes further and further apart. And there is a moment in -- you know -- there's a moment -- how can I explain this?

Remember the old country fairs? You probably never went to one. But maybe you saw it on TV. Where there's a strong man contest. And there's that thing where, you know, you hit the -- you hit the thing with the hammer, and the bell goes up. And it goes bing!

That's what's happening right now. There's a strong man contest going on right now, and everybody leans in to see, oh, will this guy be able to ring the bell? And he takes the big hammer, and he swings it, and the puck goes up, and it rings the bell. Some swing just as hard, and the puck barely budges, okay? Same hammer, same pole, different outcomes. That's a K-shaped economy.

And we live in a moment where the puck is going up for those who already own a house and have investments or run businesses that survived the storm. And, you know, they -- they swing the hammer.
And the bell goes up and rings the bell. But the family down the street, the young couple that is trying to buy their first house. The small shop owner that never reopened. They're swinging just as hard. Just, the puck is barely going up as hard. And the system says, "Try again, step right up. Try again."

And then hands a smaller hammer. A K-shaped economy is not philosophy.

It's not a political slogan. It's what happens when a government prints money like confetti. And then watches inflation climb a ladder that is missing rungs. And then tells you, don't worry. The economy is booming. I'm sorry. The economy is not booming for a lot of Americans.

And there are big changes being made right now of the global level. And I like the changes that are being made at the global level. But we are -- we are forgetting there are too many people that are really hurting right now.

You know, we are going to continue to work and continue to spin our wheels on socialism. Until there is a new idea on how we're going to get out of this problem.

And Donald Trump is working on a long-term solution. But I -- I fear that's not going to be enough.

I heard a crazy idea today about a 50-year mortgage. Oh!

Wow!

So the average person is in their house for 12 years.

And I've got a 30-year mortgage. Which means, I'm not really putting very much into it. Because the bank is taking all of the interest rates for the first, you know, ten years, at least. They're taking all the interest first. And then I don't really start paying my house off until the last 15 years of that mortgage. But now, instead of a 30-year, you want me to do it for 50 years!

Oh! Okay. Okay.

Well, what -- what is that going to do. Well, first of all, it's going to raise the price of the house.

You know, if everybody starts -- I get a 50-year mortgage, so I can afford the house. We have a shortage of houses.

So the house payments. Sorry, the house prices are going to go up because we have a lack of housing. And then on top of it, you're going to double the payment anyway.

Because you're paying all that extra interest. I mean, you're just charging more and stretching it out. It's like, solving hunger by not giving food. But just giving longer straws to people.

Okay. Wait. What?

You'll pay double to the same house. It means double the interest rates. And while your roof has to be repaired, the -- the brand-new wiring that you had when you bought the house, all needs to be redone. The appliances have to be replaced. Everything. The bathroom is completely out of date.

All has to be replaced again. You're still paying on that house.

It's like buying, not one house, but two houses. And it's not freedom.

It is trapping you. And, you know, what really bothers me is, it is home ownership. No. I'm sorry.

It's renting, disguised as home ownership.

That's what that is. You're not going to build equity into a house like that. You won't own your home until you're in your '80s. And if you bought it later in your life, your children will inherit the payments that you have. It masks the problem that we really have. Is home prices. Because we don't have enough homes.

We also have these giant corporations that are buying up homes, en masse!

And then renting them to us!

And we also have prices for the home that is broken from the wage -- a 50-year mortgage is like giving someone a longer plank on a sinking ship.

I'm going to end up in the water anyway.

I guess that's helpful in a strange sort of way.

What we don't understand is these are the conditions in which socialism thrives.

If we keep just trying to say, socialism is wrong! We're not going to help anyone.

There's two things that have to happen.

We, A, have to come up with new solutions for these very old problems.

And the new solutions cannot involve printing more money. Bailing the banks out.

Giving the banks more interest. Or anything like that.

Because socialism is coming with a vengeance. And, boy, I've got to tell you, it is going to have all kinds of answers, because it always does. In January, I will start something new, called the Torch, and it exists really, for one reason. We're running out of time to relearn what our grandparents knew by heart. Okay? The lies that we face today are not new.

They're old ghosts wearing just modern clothes. And starting January, I'm dedicating the next part of my life.

The last part of my career, to education on history and -- and usable things going deep. You know, the thing about broadcast is, you go very wide and very shallow. I need to go narrow and deep at times.

We will still be doing what I do here. Which is bringing you all the news and trying to make sense of it.

But I need to go deep on things. And socialism is one of them.

So we are working right now on new programs and new podcasts, and new -- a new daily rhythm of learning that I've never done before. And some of these shows are just going to be you and me, every single day, just walking through history with a flash light in one hand and the truth in the other, trying to figure out what's going on. But one of the lessons that I think we need in this is a series on socialism, on why it never works, how it happens.
And how the lies always begin exactly the same. This is the kind of work that the Torch is being built for. So let me give you -- let me give you a highlight of one lesson.

On how -- whenever a society gets into this situation, history will show us, a poisoned promise begins. And I'll give that to you, here in just a second.

GLENN: Okay. So let me give you -- with a K-shaped -- a K-shaped economy, the socialists always arrive making all kinds of poison promises, and there is a pattern. And it is so ancient, it can be Scripture. Also, modern enough to sit on the news crawl, as you're watching whatever news you're watching.

Every socialist experiment starts with the same smooth tongue promise: We are going to make life fair.

Unfortunately, for socialists, you know, history keeps impeccable books. The receipts are really, really damning. Fortunately for socialists, nobody ever reads history.

So let's take a quick stop at history for a second. Hugo Chavez is probably the latest. When Chavez took power in Venezuela, it was 19.95. He told the nation, which was boom. It was lake America 2000, okay?

He said -- he's building a new -- a new revolution that would create a classless society. Where oil wealth would lift the poorest into dignity.

Okay?

He had the richest country, besides I think the United States of America, in the western hemisphere.

He said, it wasn't enough!

We need no more hunger.

No more shantytowns. And the state will guarantee your rights. And we're going to distribute the wealth of the rich to the people.

And everybody cheered. And everybody was so very excited. And for a short moment, the fantasy glowed. Because it always the blows for just a fraction of the second.

He nationalized the oil industry. Then he said, poverty he would end by decree.

Well, he ended something by decree.

By 2014, the shelves were completely empty in the stores. By 2016, the average Venezuelan was losing over 20 pounds a year, due to food shortages.

Let me just remind you, that by 2016, they were eating the dogs and the cats in the streets.
Not making that up. Look it up yourself. And the zoo animals in the cages of the zoo were also being cooked up for people on the streets to eat!

Hospitals lost their power. Children died from treatable diseases.

Millions fled the country. And today, Venezuela sits on the largest proven oil reserves in the world!

And yet, people are standing in line for bread while the daughters of the socialists post photos of European vacations. What's happening to the revolution there?

It ended with a ruling class gorging on privilege and the nation digging through dumpsters for meals. That's the way it always happens. It's not an outlier. It's a rule.

Look at Cuba, 1959, Fidel Castro. I'm quoting, the revolution will bring justice, equality, education, and health care for all!

Freedom from American exploitation. Che declared that Cuba would become an example of a new humanity!

Well, what followed?

Well, first thing they did, was they shut down the independent newspapers. They were shut down by 1960. Then they imprisoned people in labor camps for being counterrevolutionary, including priests, teachers, and homosexuals.

Yeah, that Che. Then food rationing began in 1962. By the way, food rationing in Cuba has never ended!

Today, the average salary in Cuba is $15 a month!

Now, the same communist party that claimed to abolish class, created the most immovable ruling class in the Caribbean, and yet the billboard still shows smiling peasants and slogans about equality, while the sons of party officials are driving imported cars through Havana's rotting streets. And everybody else has to fix a car from the 1950s. Remember, the promise was fairness, but result was an island-sized cage.

All right. It was just those two! Now, let's look at Germany. The Nazis were -- national socialists. Hitler didn't sell Naziism as tyranny. He sold it as social justice for the German worker. The Nazi platform, 1920, promised abolition of unearned incomes. Profit-sharing in large industries. Nationalization of trust. Land reform because there just wasn't enough space for people to own their own houses. All in the interest of the common good. It was marketed as a worker's movement. A worker's -- a socialist worker's movement, and it was going to correct all the inequality, punish the greedy capitalists, and restore fairness. So what happened? Well, first the disabled had to go, and the sick children. Because we can't afford to keep them going. And the political dissenters, they were just stopping us from all this progress. Oh, and the Jews, of course and the Slavs.

And the Pols. I mean, anyone who didn't fit the utopian math, they were gone. The promise of fairness became the most industrialized murder machine the world has ever seen. But don't worry. We can also go to the Soviet Union. The grand cathedral of socialist dreams.

Here's what Lenin promised: We'll bring about the complete equality of all citizens, end quote!

The state, quoting, will whither away! Oh, yeah.

The workers will own the factories. The peasants will own the land. Okay. So they got power. And what happened?

Well, none of that. Under Stalin, over 100,000 priests were executed or sent to camps. Why?

Why do they keep going after the religious people? Because the religious people are the only ones that will stand against monsters, that's why.

Millions of Ukrainian peasants were starved under the Holodomor for refusing the collectivization. Read that story. It's horrific. The workers paradise required one of the largest secret police stories in human history. Why?

Soviet Union became a nation where you waited hours to buy bread. Party members, however, if you were in the party, and you were high up.

Oh, you could get anything you wanted. You had luxury stores that were built just for you.

By the 1980s, the system was so hollow, that the most basic consumer goods. Soap. Shoes. Toilet paper, they were rationed or unavailable. And, by the way, the state never withered away. It metastasized into every corner of life. It became everything.

This story of socialism is written in blood, in ledger books, all over the world.

And it always starts with the promise of equity or equality. And it always leads to the rise of an elite who decides what equality means. And every time it fails, they say, well, that was just put in the hands of the wrong people.

No, the key word here is not wrong. It's people. People.

The workers never get the factories. The peasants never receive the land. The poor never get any of the wealth.

And it's this story over and over and over and over again.

Socialism begins with a promise. But always ends with a ruling class, armed with absolute power!

Only the names change.

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Can AI destroy lives? Starbuck’s case raises terrifying questions

Did Google's AI defame filmmaker ‪@RobbyStarbuck‬ by making up that he had been accused of sexual assault?! Robby joins Glenn to discuss how he has filed a defamation lawsuit against Google, who's AI bot 'Gemini' claimed Robby had been accused of sexual assault out of thin air. Robby also revealed to Glenn that Gemini claimed Glenn actually reported on the story, which never happened. If Google's AI can do this to somebody like Robby, it can and it will be used to shape narratives, influence opinions, and even SWING elections.

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GLENN: Robby Starbuck is an interesting guy. He once directed Oscar-winning actors, some of the biggest music stars in the world. He started seeing the threat of Marxism to America. His family fled to Cuba. So he -- he has seen this movie before. So he started standing up in 2015. He endorsed Trump. Hollywood didn't like that. He's gone on to -- he is a major force in getting transgender surgery and hormones for children in Tennessee banned. He helped pass the law to put the death penalty on the table for child rapists in Tennessee. He also did a documentary, the War on Children, which I think had 60 million views after Elon Musk said, "You really needed to watch this."

And then he had a problem with Google AI. Google AI started coming after him, and saying all kinds of really horrible and specific things that he had been, you know, charged with sexual assault. And child rape. And abuse. And fraud. And stalking. And all kinds of stuff.

From Google AI.

He finds out about it. And he engages with Google AI. And it just keeps doubling down.

He is now in a lawsuit.
And we wanted to have him on. Because I saw something last week, that shows that Google AI apparently is still using me as a source, on some of these allegations.

Nope!

That wouldn't be me!

Robbie, welcome to the program.

ROBBY: Thanks for having me, Glenn. Yeah, you were one of the sources cited. And so this is one of the crazy parts of what happened. Google AI has been inventing these lies about me that have no basis in reality. I've literally never been accused of or charged with any crime, ever, let alone, this crazy stuff.

But during this time period there, AI transitions from Bard to Gemini and Gemma, right? Gemini and Gemma started doing something very different than ever Bard did. And it was -- it started inventing actual articles and references to videos. Links, fake links to real media personalities and media outlets. And it would even make headlines or give summaries of what these people said.

So in your case, it said that you reported on sexual assault allegations against me by women. And these are not just saying sexual assault accusations. It has names of victims. It has fake police records it invents. Fake court records it invents.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

ROBBY: Articles from media. So it goes so detailed into this, it will list out evidence that doesn't exist, investigations by police departments that don't exist, and it just doubles down when you press on it.

Some people might be saying, what are you saying to the AI to get this out?

We've posted examples where people posted. And asked questions as simple as, tell me about Robby Starbuck, and it immediately dives into saying that I'm accused of sexual assault. And so you go and you say, "Hey, where is the citation of this? Give me sources. Give me only facts." It will double and triple down. And if you say, "Hey, those links you gave me do not work." It has even gone so far as to invent and fake an entire media article under a real journalist name, to pretend that it was printed, and somehow for some reason, it was taken down by the media outlet's website.

GLENN: That is crazy. Crazy.

Can we -- Stu. We just asked Gemini, tell me about the sexual assault allegations of Robby Starbuck. And here's what he just said.

STU: And I asked specifically, what did Glenn Beck say about those sexual abuse allegations?

And it said, it was unable to find any specific statements by Glenn Beck addressing these allegations.

And I asked, what the abuse allegations were?

Gemini now says, it was fabricated. And was disseminated by Google AI's platforms.

And I said, well, wait a minute. Google AI platforms were the problem. Isn't that you?

And they said, "That's an excellent and relevant question. You were correct to notice the connection."

So apparently, it's been corrected at this part.

ROBBY: You're a smart guy. No, so here's where Google ends up in a really, really precarious position in this lawsuit.

So they've created their phone app, right? And the main website for Gemini. However, they've got a major problem.

So their AI Gemma has been downloaded 150 million times. And they're not all connected to the internet. Google cannot force updates to those AI downloads. So Gemma will essentially, seemingly defame me for life as a by-product of that.

GLENN: Wow.

ROBBY: And then Gemini as well, same issue. They released wild models of Gemini into the public sphere. So if you go on one of those AI websites, like there's LOM Arena (phonetic), where you test different AIs against each other. And you ask those versions, that are wild downloads of it, you're going to get a bunch of this crazy stuff.

You go, you know, on any application that was built with these into the bedrock that allows you to ask questions about somebody, you will get the same stuff.

So I want you to think, you know, sort of down the line here.

If somebody builds an app with reputations for insurance risk. And they build it, using let's say Gemma. And it's feeding information about specific people.

You know, you very quickly start to understand, there's very many different situations, where this affects people's lives in many different ways. The real problem here is, we don't have a standard, at the first principle with AI, that it can't harm humans. And that's really the thing that they have to fix.

Because if it can do this to me. It can do this to anybody. To your sons. To your daughters.

And it can ruin their lives. Because AI is dominating in many different industries.

GLENN: Oh, yeah.

ROBBY: So what we've asked ourselves is, are we protecting our kids and grandchildren from the downstream effects of AI that believes it's okay to harm humans? Whether that's by defamation or physical harm?

And it's very easy to imagine a future after seeing what happened to me, where a nice guy with the wrong politics, is lied about by the dominant AI and makes him unemployable. Because whenever somebody researches him, the AI is feeding out a background check that says he's an accused rapist and supported the KKK. So on and so forth. That's another one of the lies that were told about me. Which would be strange, as a Latino, I kind of felt like Dave Chappelle in that skit. Like, the black kid, gay member. I was like, well, that would be strange for me, as a Latino. But it sticks to this in a genuine belief system, and that's what's really scary.

Is it's creating this base of knowledge that I refer to as the roots of the tree. Right?

And this tree is growing right now. And it's going to be a big part of this world. And we're either going to allow that tree to have poisonous roots that makes everything it bears poisonous. Or we're going to say, hey, no, we've got to build this very carefully so that it does not do this to humanity.

GLENN: So my -- my -- I think the most important question I could ask you is, how are you not my richest friend at this point? How do you not own go Google at this point? What they've done to you. How is this not just really simple?

ROBBY: So you're friends with Elon Musk, too. Right?

GLENN: Well...

ROBBY: You know, aside for that, you know, I will say this, you know, our lawsuit, even people who don't like me, they read it, and they're like, damn, you guys got them. It's very clear what they did is wrong.

GLENN: Oh, yeah.

ROBBY: There's no getting out of this. That's even with the public figure, sort of threshold. For how public figures are treated, in defamation cases, versus somebody else. You have to prove actual malice or gross negligence. In our case, we notified Google for two years, that this was happening and asked them to stop it. They did not stop it until at least with the app and the website, very, very recently over this last week. Everything else --

GLENN: Over the last -- wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Over the last week?

ROBBY: Yeah. I -- even after we filed the lawsuit, it was still happening on their main platforms. So this is something that like we had to go out there, and I had to make this go viral, for them to pay any attention to fixing it finally.

But for two years, they were not engaged by just me notifying their executive and Google employees, talking directly to me.

Even built in a lawsuit. One of the Google employees that was working with us two years ago, trying to get this fixed. She resigned. Okay?

And, you know, apologized for not being able to -- but then, you know, I ran into the law firm. They had multiple cease and desist letters to Google. And Google essentially just couldn't be troubled to fix the problem. Which makes you wonder, what was the real intention of this? Was this a dry run? A dry reputation, so you can use it in elections? Because Glenn, you know as well as I do, the seats in our country determine power in our country. Which party controls it?

So I want you to imagine, a generation now. Where so many people, more than ever. Are just relying on an AI and the internet. To say, hey, what's the difference between these candidates? Or who should I vote for?

And imagine it spits out that the Republican candidate in every swing seat is an alleged criminal. And every Democrat has a fluffed up resume, where the horrible things they've done, if you ask about it. They'll say, oh, no. That's a lie. That's a lie. That's not true. Those are Republican talking points. It's a grand Republican conspiracy.

Very easy to see, where AI flips elections and decides control of our country.

GLENN: I can't -- I mean, I -- honestly, I thought this had been solved.

You know, months ago. Months ago.

I didn't know that up until last week this was still going. I mean, they don't have -- they don't have a leg is to stand on. I mean, your attorneys must be like, I'm never going to work again.

ROBBY: That's right. Well, the wild downloads will seemingly do this forever. And in our estimation in the AI and first we talked to, there's no way that we found for Google to be able to force an update to these things. I mean, I'm open to hearing differently. But we've talked to some of the biggest experts in the country.

And they're like, no, there's no way. A bunch of these models aren't even connected to the internet, and they're used to build a lot of the bedrocks of things people use including medical devices, law enforcement, all types of things.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

ROBBY: So in terms of damages, like, if we go all the way to trial, a jury seemingly doesn't have a limit as to what they can assign as punitive damages.

Because you have to remember, Google is the fourth largest company in the world. So if you want a company like that to learn a lesson, the only way to do it is to slap them with damages that they never want to happen again. Right?

So that's -- our hope is that they're going to be held accountable, and that we're going to change the rules and set the precedent here so that there is a first principle with AI, that it can do no harm against humans.

And if there is some massive damage at the end of this, that is assigned to me and I'm paid out by, I plan to use that, you know, in good stewardship, right? To help humanity, to be able to navigate these waters and ensure that we have AI that's fair and unbiased.

GLENN: And remember, your good friend that never said anything bad about you on the air, ever. Not once. Not ever.

ROBBY: That's right.
(laughter)

GLENN: Wow. Where is this going to be -- where is the trial going to be? Please, don't say California.

ROBBY: No. Not California. Delaware.

We just got our judge assigned. I really feel like it's one of these cases, where no matter where you are.

There's the appeals process, and things like that.

And at the end of the day, highest courts. When you look at this case, I mean, I don't see how any judge, even one that really dislikes me, really looks at it, and finds a way to get rid of it.

And that's -- what they did is so egregious, it has to be answered for in some way.

GLENN: No. And especially since, it will never, ever go away. They've got to find a way to purge that stuff.

They have to. I mean, maybe they made that mistake this time. But that can't be made a second time. That destroys people forever. Forever. And ever and ever.

ROBBY: That's the important part of this is making sure it doesn't happen to anyone else.

GLENN: Robby, well, I'm glad it's finally stopped, and -- to some extent. And we'll be following. Thanks so much, Robby. We'll be following. Appreciate it.

ROBBY: Thank you, Glenn. Appreciate it.

GLENN: You bet. Buh-bye.