RADIOJune 12, 2023

BEWARE: AI is learning to MANIPULATE YOU just like humans can

When many Americans think of artificial intelligence, they think of devices like Siri or Alexa. But that’s so 2010, Glenn explains. In fact, AI is FAR beyond those capabilities, and it’s learning more skills each day — some of which truly are terrifying to imagine. In this clip, Glenn recaps a recent conversation he had with Tristan Harris, a former design ethicist at Google. Glenn explains that we’re now in ‘second contact’ with A.I., and how A.I. is learning to MANIPULATE us just like fellow humans can…

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GLENN: So Tristan Harris is -- is a -- is an ethicist.

And he has done a -- a YouTube video, that came out, I think about a month ago.

And it is -- it's quite shocking.

We will tweet it out later. You really need to watch it.

And then I watched that video, and got him on to the podcast. And we spent an hour last night. And he's going to be on with me again next week.

He is warning that we are now what he calls second contact. First contact was social media.

And social media, its goal, not stated to you. But the goal of social media to you, is so you could connect and share with people. And -- and your life would be easier. And you could connect with your family. That's not what the goal was of the companies. The goal of the companies was, engagement. Find ways to keep people engaged. And it has led to really, addiction. To social media.

It has led to all of these problems. The divisions in our countries are -- in our country is zootype right now. Much of it because of social media.

It has -- it has learned that if you keep people angry, they engage longer.

So he says, all of the child sexualization. Everything that is going on right now, in our society.

Stems from social media. When he quit Google and said, you guys aren't paying attention here. He's an ethicist.

And he said, you won't even listen to the ethics. And the question of ethics. What do you mean, you want to -- you want them to engage longer, and so you know what you're doing, with the dopamine. You know what you're doing.

You're creating an actual addiction, in people. This is unethical.

And he left.

To warn. Now he says, we are at second contact with AI.

And it is so important that you understand, when we're talking about AI. Most people think of Siri.

That's not AI. Okay? That's AI2010.

And the only thing that that does is try to interpret. And it makes very slow gains. Okay?

In 2017 or '18, there was an entirely new engine released.

And it was only in the laboratories of Google and everything else.

It's not hit Siri. Okay?

And it's an entirely new engine. And it is the difference between a Model T and a jet engine.

And this particular jet engine works 247, trying to make itself more powerful. He describes this as the atomic bomb.

In everyone's hand. And an atomic bomb, that does what atomic bombs don't do.

Makes itself more powerful every day. It is on double exponential growth.

I told you two weeks ago, about this YouTube video that I saw with him. And I told you at the time, that it was -- and this was not programming. This just happened.

And they only found out go, like two months ago.

By mistake. They had no idea it was developing this.

It's developing a human trait, that adults have and kids have on reasoning. And in the beginning of the year, it was at like a 2-year-old. Then halfway, you know, six months later. It was at a 6-year-old.

And when I told you go a couple weeks ago. It was a 9-year-old.

And the 9-year-old reasoning is this. When you tell your -- when it -- when it's trying to get information, think of your 9-year-old. Trying to get its own way.

It -- your child deals with you. Because it knows you.

And it's like, you know what, I can play mom and dad this way. If they say this, I'll say that. And I can get what I want. Okay?

It had the reasoning of a 9-year-old. And you're the adult.

So it could manipulate you, like a 9-year-old. And it could get its own way.

I told him, I said, on the podcast. I said, tell that story of what that really means.

I said, because a 9-year-old is scary.

And he said, oh, Glenn, that -- that's -- you got that from the YouTube thing.

And I said, yeah. And he said, oh, that's so yesterday.

He said, it's now in its 20s. So it is growing in knowledge, at exponential rates. When you have social media, it was engagement. AI, its stated goal is intimacy. That it becomes intimate with you.

And it creates something that you will bond with, and never, ever leave.

And it is -- remember, it manipulates. So he lays out all of the problems with this.

And he -- it was nice to talk to somebody, that knows so much more about it, than I do. But is not living in La La Land.

I asked him about AI. Which is artificial intelligence. And that's very, very narrow. On one thing.

Like Siri.

Can't do anything, except answer your question on what it can find either on your cloud, or on the web.

It can't really do anything. That's AI. That's what we've had.

AGI is artificial general intelligence. General intelligence is what you are. You are a general intelligence being.

You can be an expert on many things. You can know a little bit about a lot of things. You can be really good at more than one thing.

You have general intelligence. And you can expand that, the more you learn. The more you read. The more you do.

The more general you become. And the more of an expert on any and everything in your life. Okay?

But it requires you to do the work. Well, that's what AGI is. AGI is general intelligence. And it has to do the work.

Well, it is doing the work. It's teaching -- it's just taught itself chemistry, without being asked.

It taught itself Farsi, without anyone knowing about it.

It is teaching itself the most complex math, that people -- experts said, it may never ever be able to do this. Solve these equations. By the way, quantum computing.

It will not be able to solve these for years. It is now solving those.

Because it is learning. It is teaching itself, all of the time.

I asked him, how far away are we?

And I almost asked him, if you even believe in it. Because I've been talking about AGI and ASI super intelligence.

Stu, 25 years.

STU: As long as I've known you.

GLENN: Right. I absolutely believe. Ray Kurzweil believes in it.

But Ray Kurzweil is always getting hammered, because he believes that it will be here by 2030. AGI.

Okay. And that changes everything. That's when it will outmaneuver all of us.

He says, that's 2030.

Others have been saying, it will never happen. The general consensus has been that it would happen AGI. And possibly ASI. If that's even possible, they said.

By maybe 2050. Tristan, I said, how far away are we?

And he said, I think we're probably two and a half years, maybe outside five.

That's the general consensus now.

The general consensus?

The general consensus was, not sure it could even ever happen. He is -- you will -- when you watch him, you will see how sincere he is.

He and his colleagues are trying their best, to get a pause on this. This is not -- this is not ideal, okay?

You can say, well, China will continue to do whatever.

But what he's saying is, we have 12 to maximum 18 months.

If we do not pause this, in the next 12 months. He believes it could be the end or will eventually be the end of humanity.

Not in the way Ray Kurzweil predicted.

I've told you before, trans humanism is coming.

And transhumanism, if you're a Star Trek fan, think of the Borg.

The transhumanism is when we start to augment ourself, and put ourself in line with the internet and artificial intelligence. And we become one with it. It's the singularity.

That's why when Stephen Hawking was tying. His last prediction was, the end of the homo sapien, by 20 activity. There will be no homo sapiens. Because of transhumanism.

I talked to Tristan about this. Transhumanism. And how evil and dangerous it really is.

And he is not predicting the end of homo sapiens. Because of transhumanism.

He is saying, we do not make it as a species. And it may include all life on earth, if this needs more food, more energy.

Because it will just continue to grow. At the expense of whatever.

It is ruthless.

Are Leftists Swatting Conservatives? What to Do if You're Targeted

Are conservative influencers being targeted by leftists who are calling in fake 911 emergencies? A disturbing number of prominent conservatives have been falsely swatted in recent days. So, Glenn sits down with his local sheriff, Bill Waybourn of Tarrant County, and he urges you to do the same. Sheriff Waybourn gives an update on how common these false flag calls have become and also says that Trump's Attorney General Pam Bondi is "absolutely on board" with prosecuting people. He also weighs in on how "the Cartel is being shut down" by Trump.

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GLENN: You know, if you have any doubt on which side in the country is dangerous. Both sides could be dangerous. But there is one side of the political debate. That has an actual active revolutionary army. And that is the left.

And we are seeing it. The earlier I played in the podcast. That the words of -- of Chuck Schumer. Who I guess he's trying to prove that he's manly or something.

But he is talking about. We are targeting Republicans in their own areas.

Which goes to some. He might just mean, like Sarah Palin meant, we're targeting, you know, through political process.

But there's too many people on the left, that are actually targeting. And let me give you this. A website called DOGE quest has published the personal information of Tesla owners, nationwide in -- in an apparent bid to shame and also intimidate them.

Because they're saying, you're a supporter of DOGE. And because you bought -- because you bought a car. Maybe you bought it because you believed in global warming.

I don't think you were probably on the Trump train, but okay. The site called DOGE Quest, reveals all of this information.

The operators who also posted the exact locations of Tesla dealerships said they will remove identifying information about Tesla drivers, only if they provide proof, that they sold their electric vehicles. Now, I don't know about you. But that sounds like the very definition of terrorism.

People have been doxxed. And there is something else that is happening.

And that is, people sending in S.W.A.T. teams. It's called swatting.

Let me just show you a montage here of some of the people that are being swatted. Look.

VOICE: Swatting against conservatives. We told you yesterday about Texas radio host Joe Pags being swatted.

VOICE: This morning, a growing number of conservative influencers are getting targeted by Schwartz.

VOICE: They were so urgent in getting the police to break down my door, and possibly kill me. In my doorway, they told them, I heard them on the scanner traffic, that he's bleeding out upstairs. Please hurry, and get inside.

VOICE: When I walked up to the door, he was pointing a gun at me. You know.

VOICE: We did just get swatted. The officer said they received a phone call that -- that somebody murdered somebody in the house and was planning a suicide by cop.

VOICE: And podcaster Nick Sortor also posted, both my dad and my sister were swatted tonight. A dozen cops attempting to kick my dad's door in at gun point.

VOICE: Yes, sir!

VOICE: Just a few hours ago, Infowars reporter and anchor Owen Shroyer was swatted at his home.

VOICE: And then most recently, Juanita Broaddrick posted, well, I just got swatted. About ten police and S.W.A.T. team showed up. They said the caller said there were two masked men and people said that had been shot.

GLENN: This is -- this is terrorism.

And those people who are making these calls, should go to prison for a very, very, very long time. Luckily, I know my sheriff in Fort Worth County.

I know, the guy who is protecting me and my neighbors. I know who he is. And he knows who I am, which, Sheriff Waybourn, welcome to the program.

That is the first key, is it not?

BILL: That is the first key, relationships are very, very helpful in these situations.

GLENN: So as we are sitting here, and I didn't mean Fort Worth, Tarrant County.

When we are sitting here, and you're seeing things like this happening, what -- what does that mean to you? And how you have to behave. And what you're walking into.

BILL: Right. When they get these urgent calls. They have got to respond. They have to be ready to go for law enforcement. In case it is real.

I will tell you, especially in the greater Fort Worth area. And the surrounding areas. They are very well aware of it.

There have been several of these. In this area, over the last year. There's probably been 15 or 16 cases.

GLENN: You're kidding me.

BILL: No. And I will tell you, they all turned out good. As far as law enforcement's reaction. Nothing went wrong or somebody got hurt. Because I think we've got some great law enforcement.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

BILL: But when they're rolling towards that. I mean, the Intel starts at the moment that the 911 phone is listening and the dispatchers are trying to listen for different clues about what might be going on there. And they're passing it on.

And then we have other intelligence which I won't make public.

GLENN: Yeah, sure.

BILL: But we're trying to do that. Now, we're -- there's some preventive things that we need help from the homeowner.

GLENN: Okay. Like?

BILL: Well, one is, let's hide your information. Because a lot of this is coming over the gaming systems. It's really big. That's like 95 percent of the gaming systems, where you don't know who you're gaming with. But they know who you are. So we've got to protect your identity. We've got to protect your privacy. And try to block all things that show who you are.

And maybe some double stuff, where you -- you have code words. Or stuff. So you know who you are dealing with.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

I tell you, the gaming systems are terrifying. My son, he was being groomed for this pedophile.

And luckily, we found out about it. And the FBI came into the house, and they took the gaming system. And they said, it's all happening through the gaming system.

Luckily, the gaming system has a record. And so, it's recording everything.

Can you -- have you found. Or can we find these people?

How come we can't find -- does it -- does it triangulate the phone, if you're on a cell phone, and you're someplace? And you're calling it into 911.

Can we find these people?

LIZ: Sometimes, we can find these people. Some of these people are oversees. They're not even here in the United States, but we go after them.

If you will pardon the term, with the gust of a hound dog, using all resources, both federal, state, and local resources, to try to locate them.
And find out who they are. And when we get our hands on them, we will prosecute them for the felony that they've committed.

GLENN: And what are you hearing from Pam Bondi and the federal?

LIZ: Well, ironically, I talked to her this morning, but we didn't get to discuss this. But she is absolutely on board, prosecuting people federally, if at all possible.

That's just the temperament of who our attorney general is.

GLENN: Yeah. I want to ask you. Because I don't know -- I met Pam. But I don't know her.

And I'm a little concerned that, you know, the Epstein thing.

I'm hoping, and maybe you can help me on this. I'm hoping that she said, wait.

We're not releasing these things right now. Because we have internal cleanup to do.

And we are also building cases, against these people.

And we want to release it, when we can say, and we're prosecuting. Do you think that's her approach?

BILL: I think that's absolutely probably her approach. She is a very, very smart woman.

And a great prosecutor.

And so she's doing the cleanup, as you say.

And I think that she is watching very carefully, what she can and can't do.

GLENN: What is the difference between the last administration and the recent administration?

In your position.

BILL: In my position, it's that the cartel is being shut down.

And, you know, I visited with the Director of DPS last week, and they're averaging a little less than 200 crossings a day on the entire Texas border.

You know, last year, at this time. We're talking 15,000 a day. So that's absolutely the first thing that I would say, is that is happening.

But also, that the administration is coming alongside of us.

And some other areas. Like, THC. The THC products that are such a threat to our kids these days did I see.

They're coming alongside of us. As Texas is trying to pass laws. And we're trying to absolutely curb that issue.

GLENN: You know, I look at what's happening in Mexico.

With these cartels.

And I would -- I would think, putting myself in the shoes of a Mexican.

I would think to myself, I can't say anything about these cartels.

I know people who have run against. And said, they will clean it up. And they're dead. And their family is dead.

I want this to happen, but I can't really say anything, and my government is in bed with it.

I think the Mexican people, the average Mexican person. If we go in and say, okay. Mexico, you didn't do anything about it. And we're killing them all.

I think they will turn and say, you know what, let's go concentrate on some other market. Not in America.

Because they're serious about it. And I think the Mexican people would be happy.

I know I would be.

I would be thrilled. Is that your take?

LIZ: That is absolutely my take.

And I know just last week, unfortunately, they lost five Mexican National Guardsmen who were ambushed and killed bit cartel just a few days ago.

So they're fighting back. And they're trying to do some things.

But as we know, that government -- you know, I've said this publicly.

Is I don't trust them.

GLENN: You shouldn't.

LIZ: You know, we need to see what they're trying to do. And hopefully, they will stand you up. The cartel has --

GLENN: Are they capable?

Are they capable? Every time somebody stands up, they're dead.

BILL: They're dead.

GLENN: So are they capable of standing up, as -- as, you know, politicians, or even a group of politicians? Because, oh, that's a death sentence for them.

BILL: That is a death sentence.

I agree with you. I've said over a year ago.

I said, what would you like to happen? When the conservative president comes in.

I said, on or about Day 15 or 20, that the cartel is woken up by the 82nd Airborne.

And that I think we go in and clean them out, would be best for everybody.

GLENN: You think that's coming?

BILL: I don't know, because our president is unpredictable.

GLENN: Yeah. I know.

BILL: But he has labeled them terrorists. So they are on notice, and I think anything is possible. And if I was a cartel leader, I might say, okay. Guys, we're closing shop.

And we're moving. And where are we going? That's what --

GLENN: Yeah. I think -- you know, the pushback on sending somebody in, is that, well, they're just going to retaliate in our cities.

You retaliate in our cities, and then it gets much worse for you.

I think if we just take out a few families, the kingpins.

BILL: That's right.

GLENN: And it all happens overnight, so fast. Everybody wakes up and says, oh, my gosh.

I really think. They won't retaliate. They will turn their attention someplace else.

Why risk that?

America is serious.

BILL: I agree with you, 100 percent. Because cartel ain't in business to be at war with America. They're in business to sell things.

GLENN: Right. Right.

BILL: And if it's not working out, you go to a different place. So I agree with you. I think that if we take out a few of the kingpins. A few of the leadership. I think that would do it.

GLENN: Are you concerned -- we just talked about swatting. Have we had any Tesla attacks or anything?

BILL: We have none, that I know of, in Tarrant County.

GLENN: Yeah. Well, that's -- used to be the conservative county. In -- in Texas.

But it certainly isn't anymore. Boy, we're on a razor's edge. I'm really, truly worried especially well Hollywood coming in. I'm very worried that we could lose Texas. People in Texas, that grew up in Texas, spent their whole life in Texas. And are not paying attention.

They think Texas will always be Texas.

It's -- it's on a knife's edge.

BILL: We need to always be on our game.

We need to always be working in -- and spreading our conservative values. And educating the public as best we can.

GLENN: Sheriff, always good to see you. Best to your family.

You bet. Sheriff. Bill Waybourn.

A -- a sheriff that if you don't have one like him, you should get one. You know exactly -- if you don't mind me sharing, sheriff. Before you leave.

I asked him at one point. What happens if the federal government comes in and starts taking citizen's guns.

And he said, well, if I may quote you.

The -- all my deputies need guns.

And I just have to deputize everybody in the county.

I just love that. I love that.

Thank you, Bill.

I appreciate it.

Why Kid Rock EMBRACES AI Music

Kid Rock tells Glenn Beck why he's excited about AI-generated music, which has already taken apps like Spotify by storm. While many in the music industry are worried that AI "artists" will replace human artists, Kid Rock says he welcomes AI-generated "Kid Rock" songs. The way he sees it, AI can generate hundreds of songs with his "voice." And if any of them become hits, he'll just play them on tour. Kid Rock also weighs in on Elon Musk's work with AI, including the viral video of the two testing out Grok. Watch the

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What AI Got Wrong About the JFK Files

Glenn’s research team has been using the AI program Grok to sift through the newly released JFK assassination files. But so have many other people … and Grok’s analysis has been inconsistent. Glenn reviews multiple Grok summaries of the files and warns that you should NOT trust them without verifying everything. Some summaries include fake quotes about LBJ, the CIA, and Allen Dulles that would mislead anyone wondering who killed Kennedy. This is why AI must always be a tool, Glenn says, and never a source.

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GLENN: So I want to talk to you a little bit about something I found, I think it was yesterday. My researchers and I. And I -- I saw something on X. Somebody, a friend of mine sent this and said, wow. Look at this. It's happening. What Grok is saying, is happening with the JFK files.

And I read it.

And I -- my first thought was, wow. Next week's show. My next Wednesday night special is all built on JFK and the assassination.

In fact, could you go into my office, and go get the gun? Have somebody go into my office, and get the gun. But it's -- next week, we're going to do this.

And I read this from Grok. And I'm like, oh, my gosh. This is going to be one of the most amazing shows ever. If this is what it is. And here's what Grok says, first guess as to who Grok thinks is responsible for JFK's death.

Before diving into the detailed analysis of the players, blah, blah, blah, an educated guess. Who is responsible for JFK's death?

Drawing from the analysis of 31,419 pages and since -- synthesized -- ugh. Putting it together with all the public records. The Warren Commission. Other types of declassified. You're going to know when I'm AI.

STU: All of a sudden, you won't be making mistakes like that?

GLENN: I can read.

The most plausible -- Glenn could never read!

STU: He could never say that three syllable word. Hall of Fame.

GLENN: Anyway, so here are -- the following are the key players in the JFK assassination according to this from Grok.

Lyndon B. Johnson. Now, when I saw that, I'm like, wait. That's kind of earth-shattering. What?

My team hasn't found that. What are you talking about? Lyndon B. Johnson. The CIA with Allen Dulles. Then the Mafia. Victor Petrov. And then Lee Harvey Oswald. And they were all in collusion, one way or another. That's what Grok said.

Now, I said that to my team. And I'm like, are you finding any of this? Because I haven't heard this anywhere, and it's posted on a tweet from Grok!

My first thing after I sent it to my research team. And said, can you check into this?

I went back, and I asked it, I asked Grok.

Tell me from all of the documents, that have been released.

Coupled with anything that had been released before, or on commission. Et cetera, et cetera. Who most likely was responsible for the death of -- of JFK.

It says this: I've been tasked with analyzing the vast trove of JFK assassination records, both the recently released file, and the millions of pages in -- classified over the decades, to determine who is likely responsible for President John F. Kennedy's death, November.

Blah, blah, blah. The question of whether he was a lone wolf, Lee Harvey Oswald, as the official narrative holds, or a conspiracy involving multiple actors.

So it goes through and opens up all of the different things that it says it's learned.

Then, its conclusion. JFK's death was likely the result of a conspiracy, not a lone wolf.

LBJ. Rogue CIA elements. The Mafia. And Soviet/Cuban actors. And Oswald as the fall guy. That's the most plausible picture.

Okay. Wait a minute. So now, I didn't feed in, its answer to someone else.

I mean, said, based on these things. And I get the same answer.

And so now I send this to my team. And said, I asked, and just received the same answer. Is anyone getting this answer?

Look at our prompts.

And am I prompting incorrectly, are we prompting incorrectly? So I get back from there. Let me see.

I get this from Nathan, one of our writers.

He wrote: From the released JFK files, show me where LBJ told Allen Dulles to proceed as discussed, deniability, critical, and cite your sources. Now, he just went into --

STU: That's one of the quotes.

GLENN: That's one of the quotes that is in both of these things. And he decided, I will drill in on one quote. Okay?

I've carefully reviewed. This is Grok's answer.

I've carefully reviewed the available information, including the context provided and the current state of the released JFK assassination files. There is no verifiable evidence, from the officially released JFK files that contained a direct quote from Lyndon B. Johnson to Allen Dulles stating, proceed as discussed. Blah, blah, blah.

This specific phrasing and the associated claim appeared to stem from speculation or unverified assertions, rather than any documented evidence in the public record.

So now why --

STU: So oops. Right.

GLENN: So now why is it giving me the impression, that Allen Dulles, LBJ, the CIA, they were all in on this thing?

And they used Oswald as a patsy. This -- I wanted to bring this up. Because I -- we even have one more. We have this from our Chief Researcher Jason.

Conclusion: Oswald is the lone gunman remains most likely, 70 to 80 percent. CIA, their involvement at all, rises from 40 to 50 percent. Exiles and the mob, claim 30 to 40 percent. And Cuban/U.S.S.R. stay low still at 20 to 25 percent, maybe as low as 15 percent.

So he's asking, what are the odds that these things? Okay. And it prints out, page after page after page.

STU: Of overlap there too.

GLENN: Of overlap. So we're getting different answers.

You should be able to ask and get the same conclusion. This is why this device, it must be a tool of you.

Because had I not known how to use AI and how to question. And had everybody on my team, because this is what we do for a living. Everybody on my team. We have been using Grok and AI over and over and over and over again, to get research results. And this is what we're concentrating on.

We would have, may have gone on the air, or, you know, if we were ever responsible. Or at least if I'm a regular citizen. And I don't have a team. And I don't know how to ask Grok the right questions and drill in on things.

You would be tweeting today, LBJ. He was responsible, along with Allen Dulles. You would be doing that today.

STU: You would have quotes!

GLENN: You would have quotes.

STU: That prove it!

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: But you don't have quotes.

GLENN: Nope. And neither does Grok.

It's terrifying.

Because it's now empowering you to say, no, I did my homework!

No. You didn't.

It did.

I did my homework.

I asked Grok.

What did I say -- what have I been saying the whole time?

Never trust it. Never. Trust, yet verify. Never, ever trust it.

Know that it was made in the image of its creator.

And its creator is us. We're lazy. We cut corners. We lie sometimes.

We make things up. It does all of those things.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: So it's had to more credible, sometimes than your crazy uncle Bob, that is sitting in the corner drunk during Christmas.

And you're like, don't listen to uncle Bob. He's nuts.

STU: It's basically a politician.

We could replace all the senators with this guy.

GLENN: Honestly, because it will give you the answer, you're looking for.

STU: Right.

GLENN: Based on how you phrase your question, it will give you the answer.

When you say, give me the best argument, in defense of!

It might not be the best argument. You're saying, give me the argument. Right?

Give me the argument, of what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a great --

STU: Here's -- build my machine, that gets me to that conclusion. That's terrifying.

GLENN: Yes. And that's a tool, that gets you possibly to the wrong place.

Because you're not asking it to give me the best arguments on both size. Debate it out.

Let me see the debates.

Let me see your sources.

And go from there. You have to have it debate itself. You have to have it do the critical thinking.

And also, when you prompt it, you need to say, I need the best argument. The best unbiased argument, for and against this.

Putin/Ukraine UPDATE: Should Trump Withdraw from NATO? | Ep 421

It’s clear the U.S. has carried Ukraine and NATO on its back for years, but should Trump make good on his threats and leave NATO forever? The Biden status quo and military spending kept Russia’s war on Ukraine going, with no end in sight. Now the Trump administration has brokered the first mutual ceasefire agreement of any kind between Russia and Ukraine since this war began three years ago. Critics call it the bare minimum, but could this be the first real step toward ending the war? Glenn heads to the chalkboard to give a full breakdown on America’s deepening ties with Ukraine since 2008 — from the billions in military aid to the Biden family’s shady connections to Trump’s impeachment over that infamous phone call with Zelenskyy. Has America’s commitment to Europe gone too far? Glenn gives a history lesson on the Cold War roots of America’s NATO alliance and wades into the debate: Is NATO a peace pact or a war trap?