RADIOMarch 11, 2024

WHAT?! Biden APOLOGIZES for Calling Laken Riley’s Alleged Murderer “ILLEGAL”

President Biden made a big apology related to his mention of Laken Riley and her alleged murderer during his 2024 State of the Union address. But the apology wasn’t for calling Laken “Lincoln.” He instead apologized to the illegal immigrant accused of killing her for calling him “an illegal.” “When did we start worrying about the feelings of the killer,” Glenn asks. Glenn also looks back at how Democrats used to talk about illegal immigrants, and the difference is shocking …

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: President Joe Biden, thank goodness. In step with the American people.

Apologized for describing the suspected killer of Lincoln.

A/k/a, Laken Hope Riley. I described him as an illegal immigrant during the State of the Union.

STU: I believe he just said "illegal."

GLENN: Oh, he did. He just said "illegal." And people aren't illegal.

STU: Human beings cannot be illegal!
All humans are legal!

GLENN: Illegal.

Oh, my goodness.

STU: I wonder if that applies to babies born in states that ban abortion. Is that process illegal?

GLENN: Babies born.

STU: In states that have banned abortion.

A Texas baby, that the mom really wanted to kill, just couldn't get around to it because of the law. Are those babies legal? Because they keep telling us everything about it is unconstitutional.

GLENN: Well, I'll tell you, I think, for instance, Manson. Charlie Manson.

You know, the guy with the swastika on his head.

STU: I remember him.

GLENN: Okay. He's not illegal.

STU: No human is illegal.

GLENN: Yeah. But what he did was illegal.

STU: Wait. Is that how the law works?

That human beings can have actions that are illegal. They're not illegal themselves.

GLENN: They're not illegal. If you do something. Let's say, thinking outside the box here.

Come into a country. And you're not supposed to be here. Okay?

And so you cross our border, illegally. No. You're still a legal human being.

But you've -- you've now come to cross purposes with the law.

STU: Right. So your actions are the thing that formed --

GLENN: Yes. Your actions are illegal. And shorthand, we would just call you illegal. Instead of having to explain it every time, to dummies.

STU: Although, you just did have to explain it to a bunch of dummies.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Mainly in the White House. Or in Congress. Or have a D after their name.

The D, by the way, does not stand for Democrat. It stands for dummy. So this guy killed Lincoln Hope.

She was a nursing student. He brutally killed her.

Kidnapped her. During the State of the Union address, he -- he was confronted by Marjorie Taylor Greene, who yelled, say her name. Say her name. Because he had never mentioned her name.

And that's when he called her Lincoln. Okay. No. Yeah. It's Laken, but good for you for finding a name that starts with an L.

STU: Look, he's confused with a college football coach. Of course that can happen.

GLENN: Yes, and it was another president, and he was thinking of Civil War.

STU: There you go.

GLENN: So that really upset the family of Laken.

Lincoln's mom, well, she had been dead for a long time, so she didn't even really notice it.

So here's what happened: Expect -- on itself plane on Saturday. Had to go to California to give a speech. Couldn't get out of there fast enough.

Anyway, so I'm on the plane. I land.

And I said, to somebody who was on the plane with me.

You have the headlines?

He said, yeah. Looks like President -- President Biden just apologized for the Lincoln Riley thing.

I said, well, it's only a couple days late, but at least he did it.

And then I got on to my own laptop, and started looking at -- and said, no. No. That's not what he apologized for. He apologized for calling him illegal.

It is -- I mean, I don't even -- what!

He is from Venezuela.

He crossed into the United States. Illegally.

He -- you know, of course, he was an undocumented person. He goes -- he comes here. He gets all kinds of help. They -- they catch him at the border.

They release him within an hour or so. They ship him to New York.

Where he gets free room and board.

I think he also gets a couple of extra free spaces in bingo up at the church.

And what does he do?

Breaks the law. Goes down to Georgia.

Breaks the law. Oh, well, I'm here. I may as well kill a woman.

This is a really bad guy.

And why is it the president had to apologize?

You know that was a setup.

Do we happen to have the audio by any chance?

No.

You know this was a setup.

He was on MSNBC. And the MSNBC anchor says, so do you feel bad at all? About calling him an illegal?

Now, why would you ask that?

Go ahead, here it is.

VOICE: During your response to her heckling of you, you used the word "illegal" when talking about the man who allegedly killed Laken Riley.

BIDEN: Undocumented person. I shouldn't have used the word "illegal." It's undocumented.

And, look, when I spoke about the difference between Trump and me, one of the things I talked about on the border was that is the way he talks about vermin. The way he talks about these people polluting the blood. I talked about what I won't do. I'm not treating any -- any of these people with this disrespect.

Look, they built the country. The reason our economy is growing.

We have to control the border, and more orderly.

GLENN: Right. Right.

VOICE: So you regret using that word?

BIDEN: Yes.

GLENN: Okay. All right.

This was the White House putting him in a softball situation, and tipping off the interview, hey, ask him about illegal.

STU: Yeah. 100 percent. These things do not just happen like that.

GLENN: No.

STU: Obviously, in reality, no one cares whether he said it was illegal. The fact that he didn't know the name was a bigger situation.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: Than that. And the fact that he -- you can tell he was -- she was trying to goad him into talking about this.

She wanted him to mention this story. Which he would have never mentioned, if it wasn't for her.

If it wasn't for Marjorie Taylor Greene, he wouldn't have even mentioned it in that speech.

And look, it wound up drawing more attention, which is great.

But it's incredible, that that is where we are. Where we have to give the media giving him softball interviews.

At least he's doing interviews. He avoided the Super Bowl interview. At least he's doing interviews.

GLENN: He probably didn't have a lot guarantee, that it was going to be, what's your favorite ice cream?

So he's apologizing, that he would use the word "illegal" for somebody who is here illegally.

And didn't apologize for his role in allowing this guy to be here.

I love all of this -- this lefty bullcrap, that, you know, what about all the crimes that were done by illegals?

Yes. You mean citizens.

There's lots of crime done by citizens. Absolutely. But there's absolutely no reason to import people, who are criminals, into this country. So they can do crime.

We -- we should know who is here.

You know what, he's part of a pretty vicious gang. I don't think we let him in.

And you -- Mr. President, you, Mayorkas, and everybody else involved, who has been pushing these policies. Their blood is on your hands. Period.

Period. And there's a lot of blood on your hands. I mean, should we count the number killed in Ukraine?

Because that's directly responsible. You're directly responsible for that action, of Russia.

All you had to say was, we're not going to make Russia a part of NATO. That's all you needed to say. And you wouldn't say it.

You wanted the war. So her blood. The blood of everybody else, that has been injured or killed here in America, because you opened the border. Ukraine. Oh, all the people, really, at the Abbey Gate.

Of course, the 19 Marines. You know, that blood is -- there's a lot. I don't know if I can tally up all of the blood, but there's a lot on your hands.

Do you apologize for any of that?

STU: If you're in an interview talking about the Laken Riley situation, you think at the very least, if you're going to ask the question, hey, did you say illegal wrong? You would also mention, hey, what about mispronouncing her name?

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: Right? It's almost directly related.

GLENN: Have you met her?

This is so crazy. When did we start worrying about the feelings of the killer?

Look what's happened!

Stu just brought up a very good point.

He asked about mislabeling the killer. Not about the callousness of not knowing her name. Nor, reaching out to the family, and consoling. How about that one?

STU: And, of course, when he did attempt to console from the stage. He made it about himself. Which he did every single time.

GLENN: Every time.

Really? Well, I know your son was I guess in the war. The war wasn't happening in Georgia. You know. This has and he didn't lose him in the war.

GLENN: I know that.

STU: He also lost him because of cancer. Which again, is terrible. But had nothing to do with the situation they were dealing with.

Cancer is a vicious killer. And so is this illegal.

He's a vicious killer.

More on this, in just a second. First, let me tell you about are of.

Some people seem to be born tough. Like Helen. You remember Helen?

She still here? Helen!

Yes.

STU: Hi.

GLENN: Hi, Helen, how are you?

STU: Wonderful. I'm really glad we're talking again. Any time I get a chance to talk to you, I'm very happy.

GLENN: Really. Well, why not stay in the greenroom. I can have you back every ten minutes or so.

STU: Great!

GLENN: Anyway, you have pain, right?

STU: Lots of pain. You know, the incredible surgery and shots I've been going through, seemed to leave marks.

GLENN: Really?

STU: And, yeah. The pain is excruciating.

GLENN: But had you had that female pain yet?

STU: Well, surprisingly, not really. I don't know what's going on.

GLENN: Really? That must be just you.

STU: It must be just me.

GLENN: Right.

STU: You know, I'm so feminine now. Everyone thinks immediately, I must be dealing with that, on a monthly basis.

GLENN: Right.

STU: But not -- nope.

No.

GLENN: Huh.

STU: Very male in that sense.

GLENN: Wow. Have you had the ovaries checked?

STU: You know, they can't find them anywhere.

I asked, can you put some in, so the next doctor will find them. They say, they don't do that yet.

GLENN: Wow. Okay. Well, follow the science.

STU: Hey. Just one good piece of information: You paid for my surgery. You paid for my surgery. Thank you so much.

GLENN: I paid for it? How did I pay for your surgery?

STU: Taxpayers are now paying for my surgery, which is great. I wanted to thank you, because of how much you pay in taxes.

GLENN: Yes.

STU: So just think about that -- it's come up on April soon. Think about how wonderful that will be.

GLENN: I used to think it's really great, that, you know, on April, I think to myself, maybe I bought a plane that's keeping the country safe.

STU: Nope!

You bought something much different.

And it's now in the medical waste bin.

So I love Miranda Divine from the New York Post. I love her.

I was reading this story today. I didn't know who wrote it. It was from the Post. I didn't know who wrote it.

And I went, it's got to be Miranda Divine.

She said -- about this interview on MSNBC.

The first question was gently to chide the president for using the word illegal. Not for the insult of getting Riley's name wrong, or the outrage of allowing her to kill her into the country.

Look, when I spoke about different things between Trump and me, one of the things I talked about was the border. The way he talks about vermin.

It was the same after the train derailment spilled toxic chemicals that sickened residents of East Palestine, Ohio.

Biden's studious indifference allowed Trump to ride into town with fresh water and concerned words, two weeks after the disaster.

Biden couldn't find it in him -- find the town for a year. His people said, he was too busy. But he's never too busy for long weekends in luxury vacations.

Biden likes to emote about his own tragedies, every chance he gets. And this has been misinterpreted as empathy. It's not empathy. It's narcissism.

If he had a shred of empathy, he would unwind his open border executive orders of January, February '21. And stop lying that it's the Republican's responsibility.

This is a classic example of Biden's border madness. Despite being listed in the Department of Homeland Security documents as an active member of the deadly Tren de Aragua gang. I'm not a gang member. So I don't know all of their cool names.

The Post reported, this man was set to be free, almost immediately after crossing the border illegally in September 22.

Put on a bus in New York. Bring on free room and board in a migrant shelter. He worked for DoorDash and UberEATS, with entry to the apartments of unsuspected New Yorkers to deliver food.

A disgrace for which those companies should be hauled over the court -- coals. He expressed his gratitude for America's generosity, by continuing to break our laws.

Multiple arrests in New York, and Georgia.

But no detention. No deportation. And the media bent over backward. Saying that the murder suspect, was from Athens.

No. Venezuela.

They're spelled differently.

As Trump says, they're not sending their best and their brightest to us, from Venezuela.

This is -- this is -- our perversion now of empathy, what we -- what we are doing now. Is replacing, well, good for evil. Evil for good.

Whoa, unto him. We -- we have now taken the victims, and put that title on the perpetrator.

And the bad guy now, is the victim.

There's more empathy on the left, and the president, for this illegal, than there is for the dead.

Or those she left behind. That -- that is not the country you want to live in.

And I'm saying that to Democrats.

You don't want to live in that country.

We've seen those kinds of countries come and go. And they're abominations. You have to stop misplacing the empathy.

We used to be a nation of -- of heroes, and those heroes were the people, who were the underdogs.

We've replaced the underdog. The underdog is not the individual. Not anymore. It's this big terrifying group, that says, I, as an individual have a problem.

And they've gathered themselves into groups, with clubs.

And if you don't listen to them, they're Goliath!

Leaving you the one who is supposedly holding them down. To be beaten, by this mob!

No. They're -- they're not the victim. They're not little David.

They're Goliath. The individual remains the underdog.

GLENN: Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

Glad you're here. It's a Monday.

Bitcoin is over 72,000 now. 72,300. Amazing.

STU: Oh, is that it? Crypto is still dead. I want to make sure.

GLENN: No. Crypto is dead. Well, not right now.

But the moment it starts going down, it will be dead again.

STU: I saw so many stories about people who invested when it was 60 something thousand. And then they lost everything.

And those stories were everywhere. And I don't see them as often, when it goes up. That's such a weird thing.

GLENN: You know who lost?

The people who bought it at 60. Then pulled it out of the market. Now it's at 72.

STU: Yeah. Here's a true statement. Every single person, who has ever in the entire history of Bitcoin, bought it and held it to today, has made money. All of them.

100 percent of them. Congratulations to all of you. You people who decided to sell, oh, well, sometimes that goes wrong.

But if you decided to hold it, every single person who has ever done it in human history has made money. Oh, what a terrible investment.

Crypto dead. Let's write some more articles. Where are you guys?

Let's see it all over again. I can't wait until it goes down to 58, and we have the same cycle all over again.

I can't believe -- Bob toxin of southeast, South Bend. After seeing Pete Buttigieg's battle against underbridge lighting, decided to sell his Bitcoin and be lost 11 teen dollars. And now lives under that bridge, under that wonderful underscaped lighting.

And --

GLENN: This is why government needs to regulate it. Because people get hurt.

STU: Where is Elizabeth Warren when we did her?

Where are you, Liz. I haven't heard from Liz lately, on this stuff.

GLENN: You will. You will again.

STU: She's always blabbing about something. Just, it's infuriating.

Like, I mean, look, how many -- we're well over a trillion dollars in market cap.

How many times have we seen these things go to zero after we get to a trillion? Does that happen a lot? I don't know. It's pretty rare.

GLENN: Did pets.com get to a trillion? Then no. No.

STU: I'm pretty sure no. Pretty sure no.

GLENN: By the way, may I -- may I just point out the more perplexing story of the day, from Politico?

And that is, what's up with raw milk?

Now, normally, I'm not into my raw milk stories.

STU: No?

GLENN: Doctor says I'm getting too much of -- in my diet, of stories about raw milk.

How raw milk went from a whole food staple, to a conservative signal.

This story is fascinating to me. Because it's true. We're like switching places.

If you shopped at Whole Foods, 15 years ago, you were a Democrat. Had to be. Flaming liberal, okay?

Most likely, if you were eating at Cracker Barrel. Most likely, you voted for a Republican.

I don't know who the Democrats have become.

But we are people now, that enjoy Cracker Barrel and raw milk. And I've never -- have you ever had raw milk.

STU: No. I never have. We've talked about it a bunch of times. Never actually consumed it.

GLENN: Should get some raw milk.

STU: I have no interest consuming it, per se. But I know some people really like it.

GLENN: Why?

STU: I don't know.

I think Louis did a decent job with the whole pasteurization thing. That was the whole thing.

GLENN: Good old Louie, man.

STU: I thought he did the right thing.

GLENN: Yeah. Well, I mean, it was a progressive idea.

STU: It was.

As far as --

GLENN: The stats are. Do you know how many people have died?

STU: Oh, I can guess. How many people have died from raw milk, per year? Or what's the time period you're looking for?

GLENN: Give me from 19 -- I'm looking for it here -- 1998 to 2018.

STU: Oh, my gosh. Twenty -- well, 396,000. That's -- I'm just judging on the coverage of it.

GLENN: Yes.

STU: I don't know. Well, it seems like every one who has died.

GLENN: You actually were pretty close. 300 -- what?

STU: 396,000.

GLENN: It was three -- that's it. It was three.

STU: 300 --

GLENN: But your number had a three in it.

It started with a three. So did --

STU: Started with a three.

GLENN: Starts with a three, except it ends with the three.

It's only three. From 1998 to 2018, three.

While oysters have caused hundred deaths every year! And we still eat oysters.

STU: Right. Right. We eat lots of things that could be dangerous. And I don't think raw milk is dangerous.

GLENN: No. And I don't think that -- I don't think -- I was against it, when they were coming down on the Amish.

Leave the poor Amish alone.

I like to drink it right from the teat. Okay. I don't. I don't.

STU: No.

GLENN: But that's the way you want to drink it. Go for it. As long as it's not something else. Just trying to get milk, you know what I'm saying?

STU: I kind of want to get away from the process as much as I can, on this one.

It's one of those things insular want to think about. The more raw to me, the worse.

Because I would rather have more chemicals in it, frankly.

GLENN: In the summers, I live in a town, with a few dairy farms. I don't like driving by them with my windows closed. I just don't want to think about all of that stuff.

However, I hear raw milk is good, and really good for you.

STU: Yeah. Look, if you want to have raw milk, you should be able to have it. You need to know the risks, if there are any. I guess there are some.

GLENN: Three.

STU: Three people have died.

GLENN: 1998 to 2018.

STU: You have to believe though, more people have died from regular milk. Because so many more people drink it.

So I don't know. Same risk happens every time you go to the store and buy things. We all know something can happen.

And like, if you -- I don't understand why you wouldn't allow people to consume it, if they want to.

GLENN: And how did this happen?

How are we the raw milk drinkers? And they're -- Whole Foods stopped carrying it.

STU: Really? Well, remember, Whole Foods has gone through quite a transition.

GLENN: Who bought them? Amazon.

STU: That's right. Amazon. That's right.

GLENN: So now the lefties, I love my Whole Foods. Good thing we don't have any raw milk in here, that's dangerous. And I know because a giant global corporation owns Whole Foods, and they care.

STU: Right. Now, the person who owned it back in the day was a Libertarian. Big time Libertarian. And really believed in the mission of the company. I don't know if Amazon does, or if they just find it in a nice distribution center.

GLENN: Yeah. I don't think Amazon cares about anything, except where their drones can land. You know, I think that's pretty much -- that's pretty much here -- pretty much it.

STU: How many people have died from drones in 1998 to 2003.

GLENN: More than three. More than three.

STU: By the way, Obama was president for a part of that time.

We know it was more than three.
(laughter)

GLENN: Yeah. All right.

Speaking of -- speaking of corrupt government.

Can I just take you, just for a minute, to Liz Cheney?

And the January 6 committee.

Have you heard the latest?

Liz Cheney suppressed evidence, that President Trump pushed for 10,000 national guard troops to protect the nation's Capitol.

This is now verified, by the transcript of the deposition given, and now through Freedom of Information Act, released through the Federalist?

Mollie Hemingway, wrote this unbelievable piece this weekend. We're going to talk about it coming up in great depth with some of the players. But Cheney, and her committee, falsely claimed they had no evidence to support Donald Trump ever communicated with anyone, their desire for 10,000 National Guard troops.

Now, I've heard the opposite from people. And I thought the opposite would have been in the committee!

Right? Wouldn't you think?

If they had the opposite, and it was testimony, you would enter that, as, you know, you know, no.

Actually, people also said this.

They didn't!

They didn't. Only less than half of the information, they collected, was included in the released testimony and final report.

STU: It was obviously totally one-sided.

And you had no one representing the Trump side of this.

GLENN: None.

There's three witnesses that testified, and is in the -- not the final report.

But the actual treasure trove of everything that was gathered. This has now, Republicans put -- could have been on the committee, and decided they didn't want to be part of it, which was understandable.

Also did not give them a voice to bring these things up during the committee. To me, it was a complete waste of time. And we got nothing out of it. And it was just nonsense.

So I don't know that was the wrong move. But this is the type of stuff, that they could have caught, if they were in there.

GLENN: Yeah. But I don't know if it would have made. Did you see the latest, also on Liz Cheney this weekend?

She was instrumental, in the defense chiefs all coming up, and intelligence chiefs saying, Donald Trump in bed.

This looks like a Russian operative thing. And he was involved. That was her. She was organizing all of that.

Through the Cheney name. I mean, how do you believe anything, that comes out of Washington anymore?

STU: We should note that Liz Cheney voted for Trump in 2020.

Which is the most bizarre part, she voted for him. And turned into this person that seemingly has completely dedicated to the --

GLENN: To the big state.

STU: I don't know she's even doing now.

I don't know. Is that still under conversation?

GLENN: Good luck with that, with these things coming out.

STU: Yeah, well, this might be the thing you do. Within the race, blame everything on politics.

GLENN: Maybe she put it out.

Look how anti-Trump I was.

I mean, Nikki Haley. Yeah. She's a rookie. Look what I've done.

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: Glenn Beck Program. Glad you're here. Well. We started the hour with Joe Biden, making sure he was taking care of the illegal who killed Laken. And I mean, he's been so consistent on this.

I mean, Stu, could you imagine if we could go back in time and somehow or another, find like Chuck Schumer, or Biden talking about illegals?

VOICE: Can you scare an employer in this country, whether he's an agricultural worker or housewife, into not hiring an illegal, because the punishment is so high, that if you get caught, it's a huge embarrassment to your family. And you may just get hit with a fine that will kill you.

BIDEN: That's slightly what we should do.

VOICE: Because you can't catch every --

VOICE: No. You can't. And the last part of this is that the democratic position also recognizes. You have 11 million illegal aliens here. They have to have a way to earn their way into the deal. This isn't amnesty. They're required to take 11 year's worth. They pay a fine. They have to learn to speak English. They have to pass...

GLENN: That's -- now, imagine if we could find Chuck Schumer saying the same kind of stuff.

VOICE: When we use the phrases like "undocumented workers," we convey a message to the American people, that the government is not serious about combating illegal immigration. Which the American people overwhelmingly oppose. If you don't think it's illegal, you're not going to say it. I think it is illegal and wrong.

GLENN: Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Anyway, Stu, can you imagine if we could go back in time and find stuff like that?

STU: Yeah. I mean, we don't have those --

GLENN: Those capabilities. Just all in our imagination.

STU: Yes. That was a fascinating --

GLENN: That was 2009. 2009.

STU: I was going to say, he looked pretty old for the '80s.

GLENN: 2009.

STU: Who was president in 2009? Barack Obama?

GLENN: Barack Obama, talking about, if you're not going to say they're illegal, you're not going to stop it.

STU: He's, of course, right. And he's right in how people hear that. If you won't say that, you probably won't think it's illegal.

GLENN: Well, if anybody, I don't know how anybody who vote Democrat still think that the Democrats, that the Democrats are the ones that are fighting for the little man. The every guy. They're fighting for the labor unions. The closest they get to the little guy.

The labor unions. And then the big corporations.

They're only for big, powerful things. They're not for the individual.

STU: It's a fascinating thing. What a weird transition.

We just -- it just shows we're old. We've done this show long enough together, to see them completely switch sides on like 100 different topics.

GLENN: Can you imagine, if we were on talk radio, back in like 1970s.

We would be like, wait. Johnson.

Johnson would be the guy who stopped the Civil Rights Act. You know, I can't take it anymore.

If you were living in the '60s, you went through this transition. Where all of a sudden, without any rhyme or reason, they just are like, yeah.

I know I was the one using the N-word.

And I'm still proud to use it, you know, at my home and with my friends.

But I think we should help out these inferior races. I mean, how did they pull that off?

Just like they're doing now!

The same kind of transition. Right in front of our eyes.

Why Biden's Corrupt Pardons CANNOT Stand... And Why it STILL Matters!

A new wave of sweeping “pardons” has triggered one of the most urgent constitutional alarms Glenn Beck has ever raised — not because the individuals involved are controversial, but because the actions themselves may not even qualify as pardons at all. Glenn Beck breaks down how these broad, immunity-style declarations can bypass investigations, rewrite laws by fiat, and push executive power into territory the Founders explicitly warned against. With mass clemency increasingly used as a political shield and executive actions replacing the legislative process, America is drifting toward a model of governance that no longer resembles a constitutional republic. This episode exposes how the pardon power is being stretched beyond recognition, why Congress has surrendered its role as a check, and what must happen before the nation crosses a point of no return. The question now is unavoidable: Who will stop this before the Constitution becomes optional?

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

CALLER: I wanted to talk about the pardons. Hunter's pardon was legitimate. He was actually accused of a crime. I know you're plugged in with the president. I haven't heard anybody say this anywhere. I have been watching everything.

These pardons. Forget the auto-pen. The auto-pen doesn't even matter. Because these were immunity deals. These were not pardons. None of these people were under investigation. None of these people had any crimes they were accused of.

So you can't pardon somebody for something they may have or may not have done. That's an immunity deal.

Again, I've watched everything. I don't hear anybody bring that stuff -- I don't think the auto-pen matters. I just think those things are null and void from the jump.

GLENN: Who --

CALLER: Like I said.

GLENN: Who do we have besides Mike Lee? Because Mike is always hard to get a hold of at this time. He's like, I'm working on Senate stuff, Glenn.

Who do we have that is a Constitutional scholar that we can call real quick, and see if we can get an answer on that before the end of the show? At least put a call out to Mike Lee, will you?

But I would like to know that happen at that. Because the president has. And Stu and I have talked about this for a while. This has gotten out of control. These pardons are out of control. Out of control.

It's something Constitutional. It's been there since George Washington. The President has always had this right, and it's a privilege of his. But you're right.

These things where, wait. I can't investigate this? What that does is if you're as a president doing something that you shouldn't be doing, all you have to do then is say, I pardon everyone in my administration for anything that they might have done wrong.

That can't stand. You're absolutely right on that.

STU: Yeah. You have the immunity deal. Which again, I think is -- I don't see -- I don't see how a pre-pardon is even possibly covered.
Like, it's just such an insane concept.

The way that Biden. He's right that Hunter Biden actually committed a crime and pardoning him from that in theory, obviously, outside the family interest was the way that that was supposed to work.

But they also pardoned him for multiple years of question marks, whether he committed crimes or not. Right? That was all included on that.

To go a step farther on this, I am on a bit of a personal jihad against the pardon. I'm done with it. I'm done with it personally. There's reasons the Founders were very, very smart. But the Founders were smart enough to also have a process for Constitutional amendments. And I would support one, getting rid of the part in power completely. I'm done with it.

GLENN: Wait, may I just interrupt for a second. I just want to point out. We now have verification, not only is Stu a Canadian spy, but he's also a hidden Nazi. Noticed the word he used, jihad, which translates to my struggle. Hitler's book, My Struggle, Mein Kampf. I just want to point it out.

JASON: Exposed.

STU: Just to be clear, I'm not planning a genocide on the power of pardons.

But I'm against it, strongly. But the other part I would say that I think is every worse and is never discussed, are these types of pardons where they say, you know, all marijuana crimes. They're -- everyone -- there are 17,000 people.

That is just you legislating. If I wanted to New Jersey and say, hey.

I think marijuana should be legal. I could theoretically be president.

Saying, everyone convicted of a marijuana-related crime is now pardoned.

And that's just you making laws. It's you going completely around Congress. And the entire process we have there.

At the very least. It should be massively restricted from the way it's being utilized. Not only -- several presidents in a row, I would argue.

But it's -- it should just -- I think it should just go away completely. It's the most king-like power the president has. And it doesn't make any sense to me.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

So I'm looking this up here.

Barack Obama did this.

He gave clemency for anybody who was convicted of a non-violent federal drug crime.

With no significant criminal history, while serving extraordinarily long sentences. And anybody who was a violent offender was not eligible.

And it was -- it wasn't a -- a true mass pardon. But it was pretty close to it. You know, it was -- it was mass in scale, but not blanketed.

STU: Right.

GLENN: And I think there were like 2,000 people that he parted on that.

STU: It was a law. Creating a new law.

GLENN: Yeah. You're saying, oh, by the way. That law that I personally disagree with.

We're not going to -- it's gone.

STU: The whole law doesn't count at him. We have a whole process to make laws. When someone -- when they pass a law, you can't say, eh. And shrug your shoulders. And say, I don't particularly like it.

And for some reason, that's the way the pardon power has been translated.

GLENN: The problem is the President can. The President has just always had the restraint not to do that.

STU: Right.

GLENN: Because it was bad for the country. And bad for laws.

You know, you don't just -- you don't do this. We're becoming more and more of a king. In our administration.

And it's not Donald Trump.

This has been about to go for a long time.

Barack Obama I think got really, really bad.

But this was going on before him. Obviously.

But Barack Obama kind of set something off.

And then because we couldn't get any legislation passed. We had Donald Trump try to do executive orders, to combat Barack Obama's executive orders.

Then Biden did it. And Trump. It's got to stop.

Because here's the problem. One of the things I said in our special on Wednesday.

Which was, biggest stories of the year.

And predictions for next year. I said, you will start to see rolling brownouts in places like Texas in 2026. Texans, wake up. Wake up.

But you're going to start to see rolling brownouts. But I also made another prediction. And I've just lost what I was going to say was the prediction.

Oh!

This massive swing. We're getting whiplash.

You can't -- you can't run a country like this.

You can't run a country where it's all being done by executive order.

Because look, we were all the way over to one side. When Trump was here. Then we swung way farther than that. With Biden.

Now Trump is bringing us back this way. If you don't pass laws, it's just going to swing.

And you can't -- you can't run a country like that.

This has got to stop!

We have to pass laws. Congress must do its job.

Why the Australia beach shooting should terrify EVERYONE

Two shooters opened fire on Bondi beach at a Jewish Hanukkah celebration. Glenn Beck reacts to this horiffic act of evil and also to the heroic act of a man who tackled one of the shooters.

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: So let me just cover the headlines really quickly: Brown University, yesterday, there was a shooter. Two are dead. The only one that has been named so far is the Republican Club Vice President Alec Cook. There have been nine that have been injured. They thought they had the shooter. But turns out, it's not him. He has been released. And there's just some questions on this one that are weird.

Also, al-Qaeda struck and killed US soldiers over the weekend in Syria. There will be a military response to that, I am sure. And yesterday -- yesterday, on the beach, Sydney's eastern suburbs. Sydney, Australia, it's summer there. There's locals. There are people that are coming from all over the country, all over the world, for the warmth of summer and the community celebration of the first night of Hanukkah. The rest of the world is the darkest days of winter. On the other side of the globe, it is still sunlight because it is in the middle of sunlight. But it was a dark, dark day yesterday despite the sun being up.

There were families with children. They were chasing the waves. The smell of grilled food that was drifting across the sand. Music, conversation, laughter in the air. And then around 7 o'clock, laughter was replaced with screams of terror. Two men dressed in black and armed with high-powered firearms positioned themselves atop a small concrete pedestrian bridge. It arched over the Campbell parade near the Bondi pavilion. They stood on top in the center of this bridge and rained bullets as they fired into the crowd. Shots rang out. Astonished the crowd.

VOICE: Get down. Get down. Boys, get down. Oh, my God.

GLENN: It just went on and on and on. Thousands had been gathered for Hanukkah by the Sea. They're now ducking for cover. Some trying to push children to safety, others frozen in disbelief as friends and strangers alike fell all around them.

The carnage was unbelievable. For ten minutes, these guys fired off this bridge. The beach, usually alive with surfers and sun seekers, just transformed instantly. Bodies were trampled. Frantic dash for some sort of shelter and protection, as the waves just continued to lap innocently at the shore while people were screaming for help.

Now, in the chaos, there were acts of individual courage. A fruit vendor, later named by the media as Ahmed al-Ahmed. He saw one of the gunmen firing his weapon. And in a moment of pure resolve, he vaulted from behind a nearby car, tackled the shooter from behind, and wrestled the rifle away. It was an unbelievable scene. Witnesses say -- and it was all captured on tape. There he is. Witnesses say, his bravery likely saved countless lives.

Police arrived, they started shooting at him. They shot at the two that were up on the bridge. They wounded both of them.

15 people had been killed by the time it was over. Dozens wounded. Young children to the elderly. Cherished members of the Jewish community, including Rabbi Eli Schlanger, a British-born assistant rabbi. He helped organize Hanukkah by the Sea.

The beach won't be looked at the same ever again. As the suspects went down, people from Australia just ran up on to the bridge.

And what I thought was an amazing, amazing moment that spoke volumes of our culture! The police were on top of these men, trying to administer care to keep them alive. While citizens, understandably, came up on the bridge and just started kicking them.
Police jumped on those people and pushed them away. And said, stop, stop, stop. And they did.

Because we're not a culture of death. First suspect, 50 year old, Sajid Akram, 50 years old. He's a dad. The second suspect is his 24-year-old son. Both in critical condition. Now in the hospital under police guard.

Let me ask you to imagine just for a minute, what it must feel like to be Jewish today. Not in theory. Because we -- we had an incident stopped in Amsterdam over the weekend, in Germany over the weekend, in LA, somebody, a drive-by just shot at a Jewish home with the Hanukkah candles in the window, screaming, "F the Jews." You want to know what -- you want to chant, "Bring the Intifada here," this is what it looks like.

It is here now. So what does it feel like to be Jewish today?

I don't know. I can't relate. But I want you to imagine, not as a talking point. But in quiet moments, when the phone would light up with another alert, another headline, another synagogue guarded by concrete barriers, armed police.

There's a particular fear that comes with memory. Jewish people carry history. Not as abstraction, but as inheritance. And it lives in names that are whispered at dinner tables, and photographs rescued from ash. And stories that begin with, "And we thought it would never happen here."

Europe told itself, that very thing once. So did Germany. So did France. So did polite society, everywhere, right before it happened.

And the world has been saying that for decades now. It would never happen here. And here we are again. And here we are, the worst we've seen in America.

Shadows that all of us hoped were buried forever. Hatred with organization, ideology. Hatred with teeth. Violence. Justification.

They're no longer whispers. They're shouting it now in our streets. They're shouting it in the streets of Australia. They're shouting it in the streets of Germany. And England and France. And Norway. They're burning flags. They're firing guns. They're chanting not only death to the Jew, but death to the West, death to Canada, death to the US. Death to Europe. This is no longer confined to the margins anymore. And the West is tolerating it. The west has explained it away. We have minimalized it. We have said it was a lone wolf. Sometimes we even excuse it.

Just for the day, let's just stop and look at Australia for a minute. For years, Jewish communities are warned the officials.

Anti-Semitism isn't theoretical. It's here. We're living it. We're seeing it. It's not just graffiti or angry words.

It's metastasizing into something ideological and organized and deadly. And in Australia, the officials told them, calm down.
Trust the institutions. We've got it.

Somehow or another, multi-cultural harmony would manage itself, but it didn't. Because it doesn't.

Ideology doesn't dissolve when it's ignored. It consolidates. It grows he has and it has across the Western world entirely. Europe, Britain, Australia. Canada. The United States. It's the same pattern!

Violent anti-Semitism rising Jewish schools like fortresses. Your families wondering whether visibility itself is now a liability.

And yet, all across the West, officials hesitate, to name the problem. Clearly!

So let me do it. Precisely. Precisely.

Truthfully.

Islamism.

Islamists. Not Islam. Not Muslim. If you're a Muslim, you want to live peacefully, worship freely. Raise children. Continue to, you know, live and contribute to a society. You know, and you're not an enemy of the West. I'm totally good with that. Look at the fruit cart guy. He apparently didn't hate Jews. He wasn't part of the culture of death.

He stopped it.

And millions do that every single day. But Islamism, Islamists, that's something entirely different.

Islamism is a political ideology.

It's not about faith. It is about power.

It's the belief that society has to be governed by religious law. Sharia law.

That freedom of conscience is illegitimate. That women are subordinate, that dissent is heresy, and that the world and everything in it has to submit. And it's very clear about all of this. It writes it down. It teaches it. It shouts it from the public square. For the love of Pete, it's everywhere. It chants it. It doesn't hide its ambitions. It doesn't hide behind anything. But here's what it doesn't do: It doesn't co-exist with open societies.

It replaces them and has been replacing open societies for centuries.

Any culture built on individual liberty, freedom of speech, equality before the law, it can't survive alongside an ideology that views all of those principles as sins or as an affront to Allah! In that scenario, one side must yield, or one side will be destroyed!

And history is very clear on which one does. You know, we're very different people. Even the difference between us and Canada. And us and Europe.

It might be seemingly starved. It might be we're very different. But when you look at us as a civilization, we're very different. Together, we're very different from the rest of the world.

We don't understand these things. Because we project our values, on everybody else.

We assume that everybody ultimately wants to live. And to compromise. Live side by side. We assume violence is accidental. We assume that it's a lone wolf. We assume that words like to do and dialogue mean the same thing to everybody.

But they don't! And so we tolerate politicians and newscasters and everything else that explain things away. They explain the stabbings and the truck attacks and the shootings and the riots. It's isolated incidents. They're not! We talk about finding the root cause. But we won't -- we won't name the root itself!

We call it extremism, as though it sprang out of nowhere, as though it was a weather event, instead of a worldview that's been around for centuries! I ask you to think about what it feels like to be Jewish today because of the Jewish people.
But also because, you're next. Jewish communities always pay the price first.

They always do. And believe me, you're on the list. You!

Your freedom. Your children are on the list!

And history shows this, with brutal consistency.

When a society begins to rot, from ideological cowardice.

The Jews are always the early-warning system.

They're the canary in the coal mine.

When they're targeted openly. And the state responds with hesitation.

That society is already sick and in the hospital.

It's already in trouble.

And make in mistakes.

The science is not far away.

It is already here.

Synagogues attached. Jewish students harassed on campus. Jewish neighborhoods guarded like war zones. Public celebrations requiring armed protection now. This is not normal, and it's not sustainable. And the West likes to believe and understands freedom.

But freedom is not a five! It's not a comfort. It's not the absence of conflict. Freedom is costly! And it requires moral clarity, and it requires the courage to draw a line and say, this doesn't belong here! And if we refuse to do that work now, our children will have to do it later under far worse conditions! They will have to fight, not to preserve freedom, but to recover it. And history always shows, that's much more costly. America, you're closer than you think to losing not only our country, but countries that took centuries to build!

Not through invasion. But through erosion. Through silence. Through the polite refusal to speak uncomfortable truths.

If not you, who?

If not now, when?

You're running out of time.

"You're being PLAYED": Glenn Beck exposes the TRUTH about Illinois' new MAiD program

Illinois Governor JB Pritzker has signed a bill legalizing "medical assistance in dying" (MAiD) for certain terminally ill patients. Glenn Beck rages against this "culture of death" that is sweeping America, even after it ravaged Canada.

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: So JB Pritzker in Illinois signed into law a bill on Friday, that will allow doctors in Illinois to prescribe the deaths of their own patients. First, do no harm. I'm having a hard time with that, doctors. Maybe you can tell us how you're getting around this. First, do no harm.

That is a very important concept, that our doctors are to buy into. And that we all believe.

First, do no harm. If you don't have that, all kinds of things can follow. Especially when they're couched with compassion.

And that is exactly what this is always couched in. Compassion.

Okay. So this new law goes into effect in September of next year. Terminally ill patients over the age of 18 are going to be able to get a suicide drug from their doctor. This is the 12th state in the country, that is allowing assisted suicide. And there are about 25 others that are standing in line for it. What a surprise.

Illinois is the -- is the one -- the first of this -- this batch of them coming in to say, I want to kill people!

It is a culture of death. And we are -- that's what we are battling. No matter what anybody tells you, we're not battling the Republicans or the Democrats.

It's not politics.

It's not Marxism.

It is a culture of death, that we're battling. It is evil. It is evil. A culture of death.

When you look at -- when you look at what people are saying about global warming, what is the solution?

Fewer people. How do you do that? Well, culture of death takes care of that. Right?

When you look at -- when you look at, you know, just about anything now, health care, abortion, culture of death.

Islam, culture of death. Marxism, honestly, it is a culture of death. Why would I say that know.

Well, because it eliminates people who disagree with it. And first, it just pushes them off the sidelines.

But eventually it ends in camps. But also, look what's being taught to our kids. They are killing themselves, because they're so depressed. Because it has no meaning. It completely rejects the you human aspect of humanity.

Culture of death. That's really what we're fighting. Make no mistake.

Now, Illinois and Pritzker, they're saying, well, no. No, no, no. This is going to be -- we're going to be very, very careful. You have to have two doctors. Okay. That's good. That's good.

Germany had three doctors, to give you permission. You're not even up the line of Nazi Germany, but congratulations on that. And they have to be diagnosed with having six months or less to live.

Okay. Okay.

I want you to know, Illinois, America, Western world, you're being played. This is not compassion.

I'm going to be real clear with you.

This is preparation for when the system can no longer afford to fulfill its promises, that's what this is.

They are preparing the system to be able to have the way out. And they're preparing you, so you look at this as compassion and so when it gets worse and worse, up until the very end, you don't recognize it. I mean, they're beginning to a little bit in Canada, to see what's coming their way. And why is it happening? Because they can no longer afford socialized medicine. They can't afford to fulfill the promises.

Let me just say, can America afford to fulfill its promise, that it's made for generations on all of this socialized everything?

No. In fact, there are people now, trying to double down. We can't afford anything. They're trying to double down and expand those programs, which will only collapse us faster.

When they collapse, you know, nobody likes. Well, rich people can get surgery. And as I've said to you before, I don't like that either. I really don't like that. But how else do you do it? How else do you do it? Well, we have a committee. And we -- we ration things. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Here's where you're not going to like that. You're not going to like that, because that's not the way humans work. When they ration things, either people with money or the people with power, always find a way to short-circuit so they can get to the top.

So the one that you're saying now is the poor, helpless waif that's not getting anything because of the rich people, when the system changes, that poor lonely waif is still not going to get any help because the powerful, the ones that are connected, they'll get the medical care, and the waif won't get medical care. People will find a way to short-circuit the system because people generally suck.

And when you give all the power to people, it's not good. It's usually not good. So you may not like the, you know, pay for it kind of system, but it is the best one out there. And you really don't want to give a bureaucracy the -- the ability to kill you if you become expensive or inconvenient.

Now, I know that's not what they're saying. That's not what we're doing. We're giving people out of compassion, help them end their lives. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. That's exactly what happened in Canada. Let me just tell you. It was called C14. Let me just look up the facts here. C14 in Canada. It happened in 2016.

And it -- what it -- what it meant was, you could get compassionate care, if you had doctors. Three doctors approved.

You had a terminal, I don't remember what they called it.

But basically, you could see the end in sight. Okay?

There was -- there was no way for us to repair your body and heal you.

So we could see that.

Basically, you know, you were terminal.

We could see that.

In the future. Near future.

And three doctors agreed.

And then you had a waiting period after you requested it, the doctors would approve.

And then there were ten days, before you would administer. Ten days before you would back out.

That's what it started as, okay?

That's not what it's become. 2016, that's what it was. And you had to be 18 years or older.

And you had to have full capacity. So you couldn't listen to, you know, friends or family.

You had to make the decision. And you needed full capacity.

Okay.
Then things started to fall apart.

Then we had COVID. Then we had all these expenses. Then we had people move into the country.

This is Canada. Same thing happened here. COVID. Hospitals are overwhelmed.

Medical care goes to hell.

And then you start bringing in people from all over the world.

And now you don't have hospital care. Everybody is crowded. The doctors are overwhelmed.
And so in 2021, they decided the Quebec court decided, well, you know, death in the foreseeable future. Is that really necessary?

Excuse me?

I mean -- I mean, the reasonable foreseeable natural death requirement. Do we really need that?

The court said, no, we really don't.

There are two tracks! Those who have natural death in the foreseeable future. We're going to make it a little easier for them. So beyond the request, the three doctors and the ten-day waiting period. We're going to get rid of some of that because it's not necessary.

I mean, if you're in the reasonably foreseeable future, you don't need all those safeguards. And then people whose natural death is not reasonably foreseeable. Well, we're going to make them do all of those things. Oh, okay.

And, by the way, we're removing the ten-day waiting period too. Once the doctor says, you're good, you're good.

Okay. All right.

That wasn't far enough. Now, they have a new bill, C7.

Canada bill seven.

When they -- when that removed the foreseeable requirement, they added a temporary exclusion for people whose sole medical condition was a mental disorder.

Oh, wow. So now we're into mental illness.

So your death isn't in the foreseeable future.

But you really want to die.

So does this apply to mental.

People with mental problems?

Oh, no, no, no. No. We're not going to ban it. We're just going to put a temporary ban on that one?

Why would you put a temporary ban on that?

Why would you put a temporary ban on something like that?

Let me give you the answer and you tell you what else it's done and bring it home for you here in just a second.

Okay. So why would you -- why would you remove the restriction on the mentally ill?

Remember, the first thing was -- the first thing was, you've got to be -- you've got to be fully there.

You have to be competent and aware of what you're doing.

Then they said, well, the foreseeable future thing.

Your death is inevitable. We're going to take that away.

But we're going to put a temporary restriction on mental illness.

The only reason why you would make that a temporary restriction, is because you're just trying to get the rest of the society to catch up with what you're going to do.

That's the only reason.

And that's why, it has been extended.

Okay?

It was supposed to end in 2023.

Then it was extended to March 2024.

And now, it has been pushed to 2027.

Okay?

So you're not eligible for MAID until March 2027, if you have a mental illness.

Hmm.

Huh! Now, they may push it forward again, to give it more time to convince everybody that that's what they have to do.

And how do you convince people?

Well, you convince people, because there's shortages and be that person doesn't have the capability to think they're mentally ill. They might want to tie. They're very, very depressed. They're very depressed, and so they want to die anyway.

They want to die. I need the doctor. Okay?

That's what's going to happen. That's what's going to happen.

Unless we remember who we are. Unless all of a sudden, we -- we're like, you know what, that's -- you know, that's not who we are.

That's not the West. The West is not defined by its technology.

Even by its freedom or its wealth.

Everybody thinks, oh, the West. They're wealthy.

No. That's not it.

What makes us unique in the West. The entire West Canada, included. All of Europe. This radical idea that the individual has inherent value.

That nobody is expendable.

And not because they're useful, not because they're productive, not because they're convenient.
They have an inherent right to exist, to live.
If you look at the past, you look at Athens and Rome.
Oh. I mean, they just put you -- you this put babies that were not boys, that were girls. Where they were deforming.

They throw them on a garbage barge. These barges would go down the river. With screaming babies on them. They just let them die, okay?

That's the way it does. But West through Judeo Christian ethics taught us, that's not right!

And we build hospitals before skyscrapers.

We put limits on -- on force. We teach doctors to heal. Not to calculate.

When a society like ours stops choosing life, it does not become more compassion.

It becomes more efficient. Not compassionate! Efficient!

And efficiency has never given birth 20 moral virtue.

Efficiency kills it. If that's your goal. It kills it.

Fighting this culture of death, it is the most important thing we can focus on.

A lot of people will focus on politics and everything else.

And what JB Pritzker is doing here, there, and everywhere else.

I don't even care about politics.

We have to convince one another, we have to start standing up for the principles that made the West, the West.

Because without the choice to protect life at its most fragile, we are no longer a civilization worth saving! We're just another system deciding, eh, I don't know, is that worth the trouble? And history is very clear where that society ends. That's why, last week, to me, it was so personal, and so important.

To help this woman, not just because it's the right thing to do. And because every life matters. And this happened to be a life that came across my path.

And I'm like, we've got to stop that! But because, this goes to something bigger! And it is infecting us right now. And if we buy the lies, that this is for compassion. Look! I understand. I understand pain. I understand end of life. I don't want to be in that situation.

I know, you don't want to be.

I mean, I know what it feels like with my dog, putting my dog down. It kills me. It kills me to put my dog down. So I get it on the dog level, let alone, you know, a parent level or a spouse level. I get it.

But you cannot as a society go down this road. Because once you open this door, all the other doors just start to swing open. When there's trouble!
The first sign of shortage, all those doors open up. And guess what we're headed for. Shortages.

Lee Strobel: We got this WRONG about the Christmas story

Renowned Christian author Lee Strobel joins Glenn Beck this Christmas season to discuss the new updated version of his book, "The Case for Christmas." Plus, he dives into the REAL history and facts about the nativity story, including some parts we may have gotten wrong...

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Lee, welcome to the program. How are you?

LEE: I'm doing great, Glenn. Great to be with you again.

GLENN: Yeah. I love talking to you. I'm really excited to hear the case for Christmas. Now, you were an atheist?

LEE: Yes.

GLENN: And we've talked about this before. Your eyes opened up. And how did you get to the place to where you're like, okay. Let me see if I can make the case for the baby Jesus in the manger?

LEE: Well, yeah, being an atheist. My wife became a Christian. So I decided to try to rescue her from this cult that she had gotten involved in. So that launched me on to an investigation into the historical reliability of Christianity.

I did it that for two years, until I became convinced that in light of the evidence, it would take more faith to become a Christian. So I became a Christian, ended up believing journalism and so forth.
GLENN: Amazing.

LEE: And written many books about it. But I wanted to do a book on Christmas. Because in the Christmas season, there seems to be a more spiritual openness, than any other time of the year.

GLENN: Yeah.

LEE: Even when I was an atheist, I felt more spiritually sensitive during the time of Christmas. I don't know why. I guess because it permeates the culture.

GLENN: Yeah. I think it's because we see hope. We see goodness in one another.

LEE: Yeah.

GLENN: It's different.

LEE: Yes. Exactly. But how do we know if it's based on reality?

How do we know? We can all enjoy the parties and the gift-giving and so forth. But how do we know it's really based on historical reality?

That's what really intrigues me as someone who is a history buff.

GLENN: So take me through that. How do we know?

LEE: Yeah. We have two really early, independent, but consistent reports about the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem 2,000 years ago.

One comes from the Gospel of Luke. Now, Luke, was -- I love this guy. He was an investigative reporter.

There was a companion of St. Paul, and Luke said -- he didn't say, well, I'm going to tell you about something that happened in the distant past once upon a time. No, he said, I carefully investigated everything so I could write an orderly account about the certainty that took place. He's claiming, I'm writing about what actually took place.

I believe he writes from Mary's perspective. I think he may have interviewed Mary. If he didn't, I think he interviews Hosana and Joanna, who were friends with Mary, who he mentions in his gospel. And then we have Matthew. Matthew was also -- he was a disciple. Matthew was -- was right there in the first century setting. He later became a leader in the church of Jerusalem. And one of the other leaders was a guy named James, who was the half brother of Jesus.

So James, I think communicated to Matthew, kind of the male perspective. For the birth of his brother Jesus.

GLENN: Hmm.

LEE: By the way, I was talking to a woman the other take. And she has a young child. I was talking to her about this.

And she said, yeah. If you ask my husband about the birth of my child and you ask me, you will get two different perspectives.
(laughter)

GLENN: Yeah. Yes.

LEE: It's the same birth. We're talking about the real situation.

So we've got this two really early reports. That are independent, that are consistent with each other. And then we have a very interesting report in the gospel of Mark. Now, Mark is writing based on the recollections of Peter, who is one of the inner circle with Jesus.

And he starts his gospel later in life. So he doesn't have a birth narrative. But interestingly, in Mark 6:3. He refers to Jesus as Mary's son. Now, in first century Jewish culture, you would never do that. You were always your father's son. It would have been Joseph's son.

Even if Joseph were already deceased, he would always refer to him as Joseph. And, no. He referred to him as Mary's, and I think there's a wink, that says, yeah, yeah, I know.

Joseph wasn't his biological father. And then we have John, who writes the last gospel.

He doesn't repeat a lot of the historical stuff in the first three gospels. He writes from a grand theological perspective about the incarnation. And with him was the word, and the word was with God. And the word was God.

And then the word came into our world and dwelled among us. So it was very theological. But interestingly, John had a disciple, who he mentored.

And that guy wrote the letter. And in that letter, he says, Jesus was, quote, really and truly born of a virgin. Where did he get that idea?

I think it was from John, who wrote the gospel of John.

GLENN: So is it concerning at all. Because I've heard this argument before. You know, when -- when the gospels all same say the same thing, it's pretty clear. But they can't even decide. They can't even agree on the last words of Christ when he's on the cross.

And is it -- is it -- does it matter. Should we be concerned that only two of the four gospels talk about the birth?

LEE: No. I don't think so. Because first of all, those are two solid sources historically and very early. Mark gives us a reference to the fact that Joseph was not the biological father. And he also portrays Jesus as being the Son of God. And John, of course, was a theological take on the reincarnation. He's basically saying the same thing. So, no. I don't think are a problem. And the differences in the gospels I don't think are a problem either. Because as someone trained in law, if you're in a trial, and the witnesses get up. And they all say the exact same thing, you object. And say, Your Honor, collusion.

They got together, they worked out the story, and you can't trust it.

But when you have different perspectives, people emphasize different things. There's, for instance, a technique that was used in ancient literature, that was used today.

That was called literary spotlight. What that means, somebody will focus on what one person is saying or doing. And other purpose will focus on other people who are involved in the same scene. But it's not contradictory. They're just focusing on different aspects of the same scene. So when you look at what the -- yeah.

GLENN: No. I'm sorry to interrupt. Finish. And then I have a question.

LEE: Sure. When you look at the literary techniques that were used in the first century by (inaudible) and so forth. These historians. And you use those literary techniques in writing the New Testament. These discrepancies between the gospels virtually disappear.

GLENN: So let me take you here: And I believe in the story. So, but I want to push back as hard as I can on this.

LEE: Sure.

GLENN: You know, the virgin birth is so hard for people to accept. And especially once you look at Greek mythology. This is the same story. They're just plagiarizing. This is half man, half God.

LEE: Right. Right.

GLENN: So how do you respond to that?

LEE: Yeah. I actually deal with this in my book. This is totally bogus. This was invented by German theologians in the 1800s. In the early 1900s, the Christians responded to it.

They refuted it. But now, it's come up again. I think as the internet has dredged up these old arguments. For instance, you have the most famous example is Dan Brown in his book and movie the Da Vinci Code. Where he says, oh, well, you know, crusades just copied all this stuff. He said, there was an ancient myth called Mithras. And Mithras was born of a virgin on December of the 25th.

He had 12 disciples. He tied for world peace. He was resurrected from the dead.

So now Jesus is just kind of plagiarizing. The story of Jesus was invented by people and plagiarized from Mithras. Well, I investigate that. And what do you find?

You find in the actual myth of Mithras.
Number one. He was not born of a virgin. The myth was he emerged fully grown, naked, wearing a hat out of a rock.
(laughter)

GLENN: But, I mean, it's the same thing!

LEE: Yeah, I guess you could say the rock is a virgin. But, I mean, secondly, born on December the 25th. So what. We don't know the date Jesus was born. It's not in the Bible, where the ancient records are recorded. Ancient Christians did not care about birthdays. Third, he didn't die for world peace.

He was known for killing a bull. Fourth, he didn't have 12 disciples. According to one version, he had one disciple. According to another version he had two disciples. He wasn't resurrected from the dead. There's nothing in the myth -- it's about him dying. And so nothing about a resurrection. So all of these parallels, supposed parallels disappear when you investigate what actually took place. You know, people say, well, Alexander the great. You know, there was a myth that he was conceived by Zeus.

Well, even Alexander the Great's own mother, Olympias said, it's not true. It's crazy. It's a story. It's not true.

So every one of these supposed myths that predated Christianity, none of them are parallels to the story of Jesus' birth in Bethlehem.

GLENN: All right. Let me take a break, and then I want to take ask you about one word, one Greek word that shed new light on the traditional Christmas story.

More with Lee Strobel here in just a second.

So tell me about the one, the one Greek world that opens things up.

LEE: It really does say he went about the common perception of Christmas. The common idea of Christmas that people have is it's Mary and Joseph because of a census had to go to Bethlehem to register.

And they get there. And she's about to give birth. And they go to a lodge or an inn, and they meet an old entity who says, sorry, no room, dear. And throws the door in her face. So they go off to a stable. And she gives birth among the animals and puts the baby in a manger.

Well, what that comes from. Just a second in the gospel of Luke, where he says, the baby was placed in a manger because there was no room for Mary and Joseph in the katalima.

That's the Greek word. Katalima. So the question is, what does that word mean?

Does it mean an inn? There's no room at the inn? I don't think so. And most scholars don't think so. That's how it was translated in the King James in 1611. But it's probably not the best translation.

So let me explain something. How a house looked in the first century Bethlehem. There was one large room, broken down into two parts. The larger part was the living area.

That that's where people would live, eat, sleep, and then there was a couple of steps bound to a smaller area where the animals were brought at night.

And they were like pets. They may have a couple goats, a couple sheep, and there was a manger there, but because there was a couple of stairs up.
They would sometimes come you up in the living room area. You know, how cute are they?

They're like little lambs, like pets. And so there was a manger also, in the living area. While some of the more wealthy people had a katalima, a guest room. It had a separate entrance. And it made their house bigger.

What apparently happened, is that Mary and Joseph arrived in Bethlehem. And they went to a home of a relative and knocked on the door. They said, hey. We're here for the census. And they said, oh, that's great. But you know what, we have a lot of people here for the census.

There's no room for you in the guest room, the katalima. But you can give birth in the living room. And, yes, there is a manger there, and, yes, some of the animals may have come up the stairs because of the commotion of what was going on. And, yes. There was -- the baby was probably put there in a manger.

Now, in the year 1395, John Wycliffe, who did a translation into English, in the Greek Bible.

GLENN: Right.

LEE: Translated it as a guest room.

The New International version, which is probably the most popular translation in America today, does not use the word "inn." It uses "guest room."

Now, in writing this account, he knew what word to use. Katalima. He uses it one other time. And in that other instance, it was also a room in a house. There's another word he uses, andohayan (phonetic), which is a Greek word that means an inn. And he does use that word when he talks about the parable of the good Samaritan. So he knew, if he wanted to use the word inn, he would have used andohayan, but he didn't. He used katalima.

And the conviction of most scholars, it gives me a guest room. There probably was no inn.

GLENN: Wow.

LEE: Yeah. It's kind of mind-blowing after everything we've heard. And, yeah.

LEE: The other thing is, in first century Jewish culture, the value of hospitality was so high, that -- it would have been impossible for an innkeeper to turn away a pregnant Jewish woman. I mean, he would have been ostracized. He would have been run out of town on a rail. It would have destroyed his business. You could not do that because the value of hospitality was so high.

And we don't even know there were many inns in Bethlehem. It was a small town. Five hundred people. It wasn't on a main crossroads. There may or may not have been an inn there in the first place.

So I think the majority of scholars, I think would agree, that the word really means guest room, and not an inn.

GLENN: That changes everything!

That changes your whole vision of that. You know what I mean?

That's -- that's mind-blowing. That's just totally mind-blowing.

LEE: It is! And not only that, the image we have is that Mary is on the verge of giving birth, as she's arriving. And makes it urgent.

That's not in the text either! It just says that while they were in Bethlehem, she gave birth. It doesn't say they were in Bethlehem five minutes or five days or five months. Now, where the idea, the urgency comes from is the book of fiction that was written in 200 A.D.. A lot afterwards. No real historical connection. In that fictional account, Mary Joseph are approaching Bethlehem, to get 3 miles away from Bethlehem.

And she had to give birth. And so they went into a cave. And she gave birth to some animals in a cave. That's the idea of where a cave come up. Because people to envision her giving birth in a cave. That's really fiction. That doesn't have historical reality written -- you know, way, way later.

GLENN: I have so many questions, Lee. Can I have you back next week?
LEE: Sure!

GLENN: I have so many questions on this. I would love to have you back next week on this.

Because I want to talk to you about the Old Testament. Because people say, well, they just wrote that in later. Because they knew, he was the fulfillment. So they looked, and they just jammed this story together.

But you have the answers to -- to all of that. I would love to have you back next week.

LEE: Absolutely. Just let me know.

GLENN: You've got it. Lee, thank you so much. God bless you. Merry Christmas, we'll talk to you next week. You bet. It's a fascinating book. You've got to read it. The Case for Christmas. It -- while, I mean, you just did. It will turn everything upside down. And I love those kinds of things that make you think and look at things in a new and different way.

Lee Strobel, I think he's one of the best.

He's an author for the case for Christ.

But his new book is the case for Christmas.

How you can know for sure, what was laying in that manger. And where was that manger?

Was it in the kitchen, apparently?

I don't know.