RADIOApril 12, 2023

Amazon TERRORIZED them. Now, they're sharing a HUGE WIN.

It’s a 21st century horror story: Amazon’s massively dangerous ties with our federal government resulted in the intimidation, terrorization, and near-financial destruction of one innocent family. Amy Nelson’s husband, Carl, was accused of a crime by the tech giant just months before the COIVD pandemic took root throughout the U.S. And through civil asset forfeiture, the Nelsons nearly lost everything they had. But through sheer determination, this family never gave up fighting against tyranny. In this clip, Amy joins Glenn to detail a recent, HUGE WIN over Amazon. Plus, she explains why Amazon and Jeff Bezos are FAR more dangerous than the everyday American may realize…

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Win one, for the good guys. Amy Nelson is here. She is -- she is the founder of the riveter -- riveter.com. She's also been on our show multiple times. She was on our government's completely out of control lookout show.

She was not somebody who -- I'll get it right. Amy, you weren't a fan of me, or anything before. Right?

AMY: It wasn't that I wasn't a fan of you. It's that I had been a Democrat my entire life. And been very active in progressive politics.

GLENN: So you hated me, that's what you're saying.

AMY: I did not.

GLENN: I mean, wanted to throw that in. Because we're strange bedfellows. And I think more and more people need to find themselves with strange bedfellows. Because if we have the Bill of Rights in common, we can be friends with anybody.

That's the way America used to get along.

We believe in individual rights and the Bill of Rights.

So, Amy, your husband was accused by Amazon of -- of a whole bunch of crimes. And the DOJ came into your life, and destroyed your life.

Can you give me like a 30, 40-second rundown of what happened?

AMY: Yeah. My husband works for Amazon Web Services, the cloud competing division of Amazon for eight years. He works sourcing real estate.

A year after he left, Amazon accused him of a crime. And we learned of that, because the FBI knocked on our door. My husband then spent three years, fighting these allegations. The allegations was this esoteric crime called private sector honest services fraud, which is a process crime. Like witness tampering. And over the course of three years, Amazon had the government seize all of our bank accounts. The FBI raided our home.

And then they sued my husband in the eastern district of Virginia.

GLENN: It's funny. Virginia seemed -- isn't Amazon a Seattle-based company, or did they move out to Virginia? Is that why?

AMY: Well, Amazon is a Seattle-based company, and my husband lived and worked in Seattle.

But Amazon chose northern Virginia, as its second headquarters.

You know, Jeff Bezos bought the newspaper there. He is trained by the football team there. And he is very close to the government.

GLENN: So you alleged, when you came on, that none of these things were true.

And we believed you. None of these things were true.

And that Bezos was using the government, to crucify, and prosecute your husband, so they didn't have to pay 100 million-dollar fine, on another unrelated topic, correct?

AMY: Correct.

GLENN: So last time I spoke to you, you said, it was going to -- finally going to trial. But it was a civil suit. Because the Justice Department never brought any charges.

AMY: That is correct. And the civil trial is scheduled to start on May 3rd, just in a few weeks.

GLENN: And what has happened?

AMY: Something really extraordinary happened.

Glenn, last week, the federal judge issued an order, tossing out almost all of Amazon's claims before trial. Essentially saying, these claims aren't even strong enough to warrant a jury trial. We can throw them out today.

The judge said, that my husband didn't even violate Amazon. He said, there was no fraud. He tossed out Amazon's sensational racketeering claim, which was Amazon stepping in with the DOJ and trying to prove a crime. And the federal judge said, ejector strong enough to merit a trial.

GLENN: Wow. That is a huge loss for them.

AMY: Yeah.

GLENN: He tossed out six of the seven. What did he leave?

AMY: He left a claim that is called civil conspiracy to purposefully interfere with the contract. And it's a little bit confusing. Because it's a question of, can Amazon prove that there was a conspiracy for a bunch of people to interfere with my husband's employment contract.

But, again, it's not that my husband didn't violate his employment contract. So we're still trying to kind of work through what that means.

GLENN: Okay.

So there's no jail time.

Maybe there would be a fine.

But this is a huge win, kind of. Because if you have this tossed out of court. How did Amazon get the DOJ to persecute you guys, for what? Two years. Two and a half years.

AMY: Three years. So, you know, Glenn. There's a lot of things at play here. It's a huge win.

And we have to see if Amazon even decides to go trial, to try to prove that last claim.

But I think I've been sitting here for the past few days. Amazon is too big.

They have too much money.

If a company can go and spend billions of dollars, to try to lobby the federal government to bring criminal charges, for civil forfeiture.

To deprive Americans of their bank account. And then to delay and enforce American employees to spend millions of dollars, essentially proving that he didn't break his employment contract. That company is too big. Like, that is not how this is supposed to work. Amazon employs over a million Americans. This is frightening.

GLENN: Well, it's not just a million Americans. They have all kinds of people from the Department of Justice.

And other three-letter agencies. That truly frightening.

Because they're providing the cloud servers for the US government. And for all of these agencies.

That's -- that's a lot of power.

AMY: Yeah. I think most Americans don't understand, that Amazon stores the secrets of the FBI, the NSA, CIA, everybody.

So, Of course, when they go to these agencies, and ask for something. The biases of agencies will delete them.

They want to, right?

We entrust them. We entrust Jeff Bezos with our national secrets, full stop. That's pretty terrifying, particularly when -- Glenn, I don't know how to frame it otherwise.

But it seems like this a modern day robber barons. He's out there using the courts to try to imprison his employees when they're not even liable for breaching the employment contract.

And also, what bothers me in this story, is the use of civil asset forfeiture. When the government can come in and just take people's assets. Remember, it was Jamie Dimon from JP Morgan Chase. That last week, in his shareholder meeting, said, we need to start seizing farms, because we need to rapidly grow wind and solar energy. And we can't get enough farmland

So we just need to start seizing it. Ford is seize all of these farms down south, they announced over the weekend.

The civil asset forfeiture. When they can just take things. And they don't have to return it, even.

If you're not guilty, they don't have to do anything. Did you ever get an apology for any of that?

AMY: No, Glenn. In fact, we had to agree not to sue the government in order to get our money back.

GLENN: That's crazy. That is just crazy.

AMY: Glenn, they can do it secretly. Like, we've still never seen the affidavit, that were the basis of seizing our money.

Like, we don't even know what Amazon told the government to get them to take that money.

But I do know the federal judge and the lawsuit, that he just tossed out all these cases, said that Amazon had misrepresented there were damages. There were no damages.

Misrepresented their code of conduct. And what it said.

They made all these misrepresentations. So did the government take our money based on those misrepresentations? And who gets held accountable for all of this?

GLENN: Nobody.

AMY: Nobody. Right.

And they will go and start taking American's farmlands, because they want to, they'll just find a way. Right? I think powerful people. Powerful entities. Powerful corporations and banks can really manipulate the law, the way they want to.

GLENN: So you walk away, at this point, pretty happy.

AMY: I mean, I do. But I have to say, I'm still afraid, that Amazon and its CEO, Andy Jassy might go back to the DOJ and say, please go do what we couldn't do. Get these people.

GLENN: But how?

On what?

AMY: I don't know. But, Glenn, they're -- how did they do this for the past two years?

Right. Just, I don't know.

GLENN: This is no way. This is no way for an American to live.

When you were afraid of the government, when you have done no wrong.

Because they're in bed with a corporation, that needs the -- you know, needs the trouble pinned on somebody else.

That is terrifying. That's not America.

AMY: It really is not. And I'm still afraid the FBI will knock on my door, and try to take my husband and our four daughters. And it -- there's so many things about this, right?

Glenn, your point at the beginning, you have the Bill of Rights. That's what should unite us.

And to think we're in a constant fight, between Democrats and Republicans about smaller issues. When if you look up, when you look up, corporations are really -- because many reasons, able to direct politicians of all stripes and all colors, right? Of what to do. And how to act.

And I think it's truly terrifying to me, somehow progressives are these massive supporters of the FBI.

GLENN: It's -- yeah. Go ahead.

AMY: Yeah. We look back, five, ten, 15 years ago. The Democrats are out there screaming about the FBI's overreach.

And spying on citizens.

And now I think because Democrats feel like the FBI will go after Trump for them.

That they're the good guys.

GLENN: It's really amazing to me. That I was listening to you talk about these big businesses.

And the FBI, right before you -- you brought this up.

And I thought, you know. Ten years ago, 15 years ago.

I would have been thinking right now, oh, jeez.

This is not going to fly well with the audience.

Because you'll sound too progressive.

Now, you don't sound like a progressive at all.

You sound like a conservative. It's so bizarre.

AMY: It's a strange world. And I find myself out there talking to my progressive friends about this all the time now. And I really feel like Americans of all political persuasions are being distracted to forget our freedoms, to forget our freedoms.

Right?

And it's terrifying. Because our freedoms really matter. They really do.

GLENN: Amy, thank you so much.

Tell us what happens. Keep us up to speed, when you -- when you get that last one, cleared up.

And my best to you and your family and the kids.

AMY: I know.

Thanks for telling our story, Glenn.

GLENN: You bet. Amy Nelson. She's from TheRiveter.com.

It's an amazing American horror story.

Could passengers have SAVED Iryna Zarutska?

Surveillance footage of the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in Charlotte, NC, reveals that the other passengers on the train took a long time to help her. Glenn, Stu, and Jason debate whether they were right or wrong to do so.

Transcript

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GLENN: You know, I'm -- I'm torn on how I feel about the people on the train.

Because my first instinct is, they did nothing! They did nothing! Then my -- well, sit down and, you know -- you know, you're going to be judged. So be careful on judging others.

What would I have done? What would I want my wife to do in that situation?

STU: Yeah. Are those two different questions, by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, they are.

STU: I think they go far apart from each other. What would I want myself to do. I mean, it's tough to put yourself in a situation. It's very easy to watch a video on the internet and talk about your heroism. Everybody can do that very easily on Twitter. And everybody is.

You know, when you're in a vehicle that doesn't have an exit with a guy who just murdered somebody in front of you, and has a dripping blood off of a knife that's standing 10 feet away from you, 15 feet away from you.

There's probably a different standard there, that we should all kind of consider. And maybe give a little grace to what I saw at least was a woman, sitting across the -- the -- the aisle.

I think there is a difference there. But when you talk about that question. Those two questions are definitive.

You know, I know what I would want myself to do. I would hope I would act in a way that didn't completely embarrass myself afterward.

But I also think, when I'm thinking of my wife. My advice to my wife would not be to jump into the middle of that situation at all costs. She might do that anyway. She actually is a heck of a lot stronger than I am.

But she might do it anyway.

GLENN: How pathetic, but how true.

STU: Yes. But that would not be my advice to her.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Now, maybe once the guy has certainly -- is out of the area. And you don't think the moment you step into that situation. He will turn around and kill you too. Then, of course, obviously. Anything you can do to step in.

Not that there was much anyone on the train could do.

I mean, I don't think there was an outcome change, no matter what anyone on that train did.

Unfortunately.

But would I want her to step in?

Of course. If she felt she was safe, yes.

Think about, you said, your wife. Think about your daughter. Your daughter is on that train, just watching someone else getting murdered like that. Would you advise your daughter to jump into a situation like that?

That girl sitting across the aisle was somebody's daughter. I don't know, man.

JASON: I would. You know, as a dad, would I advise.

Hmm. No.

As a human being, would I hope that my daughter or my wife or that I would get up and at least comfort that woman while she's dying on the floor of a train?

Yeah.

I would hope that my daughter, my son, that I would -- and, you know, I have more confidence in my son or daughter or my wife doing something courageous more than I would.

But, you know, I think I have a more realistic picture of myself than anybody else.

And I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure what I would do in that situation. I know what I would hope I would do. But I also know what I fear I would do. But I would have hoped that I would have gotten up and at least tried to help her. You know, help her up off the floor. At least be there with her, as she's seeing her life, you know, spill out in under a minute.

And that's it other thing we have to keep in mind. This all happened so rapidly.

A minute is -- will seem like a very long period of time in that situation. But it's a very short period of time in real life.

STU: Yeah. You watch the video, Glenn. You know, I don't need the video to -- to change my -- my position on this.

But at his seem like there was a -- someone who did get there, eventually, to help, right? I saw someone seemingly trying to put pressure on her neck.

GLENN: Yeah. And tried to give her CPR.

STU: You know, no hope at that point. How long of a time period would you say that was?

Do you know off the top of your head?

GLENN: I don't know. I don't know. I know that we watched the video that I saw. I haven't seen past 30 seconds after she --

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: -- is down. And, you know, for 30 seconds nothing is happening. You know, that is -- that is not a very long period of time.

STU: Right.

GLENN: In reality.

STU: And especially, I saw the pace he was walking. He certainly can't be -- you know, he may have left the actual train car by 30 seconds to a minute. But he wasn't that far away. Like he was still in visual.

He could still turn around and look and see what's going on at that point. So certainly still a threat is my point. He has not, like, left the area. This is not that type of situation.

You know, I -- look, as you point out, I think if I could be super duper sexist for a moment here, sort of my dividing line might just be men and women.

You know, I don't know if it's that a -- you're not supposed to say that, I suppose these days. But, like, there is a difference there. If I'm a man, you know, I would be -- I would want my son to jump in on that, I suppose. I don't know if he could do anything about it. But you would expect at least a grown man to be able to go in there and do something about it. A woman, you know, I don't know.

Maybe I'm -- I hope --

GLENN: Here's the thing I -- here's the thing that I -- that causes me to say, no. You should have jumped in.

And that is, you know, you've already killed one person on the train. So you've proven that you're a killer. And anybody who would have screamed and got up and was with her, she's dying. She's dying. Get him. Get him.

Then the whole train is responsible for stopping that guy. You know. And if you don't stop him, after he's killed one person, if you're not all as members of that train, if you're not stopping him, you know, the person at the side of that girl would be the least likely to be killed. It would be the ones that are standing you up and trying to stop him from getting back to your daughter or your wife or you.

JASON: There was a -- speaking of men and women and their roles in this. There was a video circling social media yesterday. In Sweden. There was a group of officials up on a stage. And one of the main. I think it was health official woman collapses on stage. Completely passes out.

All the men kind of look away. Or I don't know if they're looking away. Or pretending that they didn't know what was going on. There was another woman standing directly behind the woman passed out.

Immediately springs into action. Jumps on top. Grabs her pant leg. Grabs her shoulder. Spins her over and starts providing care.

What did she have that the other guys did not? Or women?

She was a sheepdog. There is a -- this is my issue. And I completely agree with Stu. I completely agree with you. There's some people that do not respond this way. My issue is the proportion of sheepdogs versus people that don't really know how to act. That is diminishing in western society. And American society.

We see it all the time in these critical actions. I mean, circumstances.

There are men and women, and it's actually a meme. That fantasize about hoards of people coming to attack their home and family. And they sit there and say, I've got it. You guys go. I'm staying behind, while I smoke my cigarette and wait for the hoards to come, because I will sacrifice myself. There are men and women that fantasize of block my highway. Go ahead. Block my highway. I'm going to do something about it. They fantasize about someone holding up -- not a liquor store. A convenience store or something. Because they will step in and do something. My issue now is that proportion of sheepdogs in society is disappearing. Just on statistical fact, there should be one within that train car, and there were none.

STU: Yeah. I mean --

JASON: They did not respond.

STU: We see what happens when they do, with Daniel Penny. Our society tries to vilify them and crush their existence. Now, there weren't that many people on that train. Right?

At least on that car. At least it's limited. I only saw three or four people there, there may have been more. I agree with you, though. Like, you see what happens when we actually do have a really recent example of someone doing exactly what Jason wants and what I would want a guy to do. Especially a marine to step up and stop this from happening. And the man was dragged by our legal system to a position where he nearly had to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I mean, I -- it's insanity. Thankfully, they came to their senses on that one.

GLENN: Well, the difference between that one and this one though is that the guy was threatening. This one, he killed somebody.

STU: Yeah. Right. Well, but -- I think -- but it's the opposite way. The debate with Penny, was should he have recognize that had this person might have just been crazy and not done anything?

Maybe. He hadn't actually acted yet. He was just saying things.

GLENN: Yeah. Well --

STU: He didn't wind up stabbing someone. This is a situation where these people have already seen what this man will do to you, even when you don't do anything to try to stop him. So if this woman, who is, again, looks to be an average American woman.

Across the aisle. Steps in and tries to do something. This guy could easily turn around and just make another pile of dead bodies next to the one that already exists.

And, you know, whether that is an optimal solution for our society, I don't know that that's helpful.

In that situation.

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Max Lucado on Overcoming Grief in Dark Times | The Glenn Beck Podcast | Ep 266

Disclaimer: This episode was filmed prior to the assassination of Charlie Kirk. But Glenn believes Max's message is needed now more than ever.
The political world is divided, constantly at war with itself. In many ways, our own lives are not much different. Why do we constantly focus on the negative? Why are we in pain? Where is God amid our anxiety and fear? Why can’t we ever seem to change? Pastor Max Lucado has found the solution: Stop thinking like that! It may seem easier said than done, but Max joins Glenn Beck to unpack the three tools he describes in his new book, “Tame Your Thoughts,” that make it easy for us to reset the way we think back to God’s factory settings. In this much-needed conversation, Max and Glenn tackle everything from feeling doubt as a parent to facing unfair hardships to ... UFOs?! Plus, Max shares what he recently got tattooed on his arm.

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Are Demonic Forces to Blame for Charlie Kirk, Minnesota & Charlotte Killings?

This week has seen some of the most heinous actions in recent memory. Glenn has been discussing the growth of evil in our society, and with the assassination of civil rights leader Charlie Kirk, the recent transgender shooter who took the lives of two children at a Catholic school, and the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska, how can we make sense of all this evil? On today's Friday Exclusive, Glenn speaks with BlazeTV host of "Strange Encounters" Rick Burgess to discuss the demon-possessed transgender shooter and the horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk. Rick breaks down the reality of demon possession and how individuals wind up possessed. Rick and Glenn also discuss the dangers of the grotesque things we see online and in movies, TV shows, and video games on a daily basis. Rick warns that when we allow our minds to be altered by substances like drugs or alcohol, it opens a door for the enemy to take control. A supernatural war is waging in our society, and it’s a Christian’s job to fight this war. Glenn and Rick remind Christians of what their first citizenship is.