RADIOOctober 09, 2024

We asked “60 Minutes” why they CHANGED Kamala’s answer on Israel

CBS News’ “60 Minutes” recently aired an interview with Vice President Kamala Harris about her 2024 presidential run. But keen-eyed social media users noticed that “60 Minutes” edited down her answer about Israel to cut out all the rambling and make her sound more coherent. However, it wasn’t just a simple edit. They appear to have copy-pasted an answer from another question! Glenn’s team reached out to CBS News for clarification, but has yet to receive a response. So, Glenn reviews what happened and how it appears to fit a growing trend: Kamala Harris is suddenly doing more interviews, but they’re more like propaganda pieces! Just this week, she had a beer with Stephen Colbert and was introduced as “the next president” by The View. But at least she answered one question honestly during that interview …

Transcript

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GLENN: Okay. So yesterday, president Trump's campaign insisted that 60 Minutes. CBS News released an unedited transcript. They must release an unedited transcript, of vice president Kamala Harris' entire 60 Minutes interview.

Now, this came after her word salad about Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was cut from Monday's broadcast.

And it looks as though, it was a cut and paste job.

The dramatic edit was made after 60 Minutes correspondent, Bill Whitaker noted that it seems like Prime Minister Netanyahu is not listening.

So her response to Monday night's show, was completely different. And far more coherent, than her rambling answer showcased in the preview clip that was released on Saturday.

So we wrote to 60 Minutes. We gave them until 9 o'clock Eastern to respond. We said, we want to give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you edited the clip down for time.

As often happens, in these pretaped interviews, but we looked into it for ourselves.

And sure enough, the answer she originally gave, and then CBS aired on Face the Nation, doesn't match what made it into their final edit of 60 Minutes, and it wasn't due to time.

Listen, here's her original answer.

VOICE: Does the US have no sway over Prime Minister Netanyahu?

VOICE: The aid that we have given Israel, allowed Israel to defend itself, against 200 ballistic missiles, that were just meant to attack the Israelis and the people of Israel.

And when we think about the threat that Hamas, Hezbollah presents, Iran.

I think that it is without any question, our imperative to do what we can, to allow Israel to defend itself against those kinds of attacks.

Now, the work that we do diplomatically. With the leadership of Israel. Is an ongoing pursuit, around making clear, our principles. Which include the need for humanitarian aid. The need for this war to end.

The need for a deal to be done, which would release the hostages. And -- and create a cease-fire.

And we're not going to stop, in terms of putting that pressure on Israel, and in the region.

Including Arab leaders.

VOICE: But it seems that Prime Minister Netanyahu is not listening.

KAMALA: Well, Bill, the work that we have done, has resulted in a number of movements in that region by Israel, that were very much prompted by -- or a result of many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region.

GLENN: What? What does that -- okay.

STU: Huh.

GLENN: Now, here's what it sounds like, on air.

With their totally unbiased editing magic marker, a day later.

VOICE: Does the US have no sway over Prime Minister Netanyahu?

KAMALA: The work that we do diplomatically with the leadership of Israel, is an ongoing pursuit.

Around making clear our principles.

VOICE: But it seems that Prime Minister Netanyahu is not listening.

KAMALA: We're not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for the United States to be clear about where we stand on the need for this war to end.

GLENN: Wow!

STU: That's from a different part of the interview.

VOICE: -- ally in Prime Minister Netanyahu?

KAMALA: I think with all due respect, the better question is, do we have an important alliance between the American people and the Israeli people?

And the answer to that is yes.

GLENN: Sound more coherent? Sound more certain. Sound more presidential.

Yes! That answer, by the way, Stu was right. Is from a different part of the interview.

What we ask 60 Minutes to explain, their apparent in kind contribution to the Harris campaign. We said, greetings. An X user noticed severe edits to VP Harris' answer to the 60 Minutes interview regarding Netanyahu from the time the clip aired on Face the Nation to the final export yesterday.

That we attached both the edited and unedited.

It doesn't appear to be edited for time. Rather, a cut and paste answer from a different question.

Can you provide an explanation to the Glenn Beck Program and Blaze news, as to why this edit was made?

There are claims of bias and selective edits to makes Vice President Harris' answer appear more coherent. Our deadline is 9:00 a.m. Eastern tomorrow. We have not received, surprise, surprise, a response, from CBS News.

So are you getting anything, that is real?

Well, JD Harris pointed out. Or J.D. Vance pointed out yesterday, that, yeah. You -- you did get an honest answer from The View. Listen to what he said.

VOICE: But she walks into The View, and you would think that would be an interview. And you think that would be an easy question.

Really, propaganda. They said, can you name a single thing, where you disagree with Joe Biden?

Now, let's back up for a second. Because remember, Kamala Harris' entire campaign is to pretend that she hasn't been the vice president for the past three and a half years. You know, she stands up before crowds. And she will say on day one.

We will tackle the affordability crisis. On take one, we will secure the border. And you listen to her for five minutes. And you think, Kamala, are you going to vote for Donald Trump? Because you've been president for 1400 days. You haven't done anything.

(applauding)
So you think, after all this time, all this time, of thinking about how she would do things differently from Joe Biden.

She would have a well-prepared answer, for the interviewers on The View.

Well, they ask her one thing you would do differently from Joe Biden. You know what she says? I can't really think of anything off the top of my head.

GLENN: Wow.

VOICE: Now, in her defense, I'm not sure she could think of anything off the top of her head, whether about Joe Biden's policies or anything else.

GLENN: That is an incredible statement, that she made.

Now, Brian Stelter, who strangely is back on CNN.

STU: Yeah. Yeah.

GLENN: Said that he called The View, before she went on. Here's what he said. Cut two.

VOICE: She's also on The View tomorrow, talking to producers of The View last night.

They have some sharp questions for her as well. And let's remember, sometimes it's these non-traditional formats, that actually reveal a lot about a candidate.

GLENN: Uh-huh. So here is the View introducing Kamala.

VOICE: Please, welcome back the next president of the United States.
(applauding)

GLENN: Very sharp.

STU: Oh, yeah. Very sharp question.

GLENN: Very, very sharp.

STU: I will say, I agree with Stelter on that point though.

Oftentimes, it's not some big adversarial interview, where you get these good moments. I mean, this is the best moment of any of the things she's done so far. The thing that J.D. Vance was just highlighting.

Her admitting that, which is a massive strength for her campaign.

So far, she's been able to avoid responsibility, for Joe Biden.

And the fact that she just threw that out there, with no exceptions.

I mean, I don't know.

I think partially because she feels like she's in a safe zone.

She's able to kind of just let down her hair a little bit.

And blurt out things that are really helpful to her opponent.

GLENN: But can I ask. She's. Most of America is not in a safe zone right now.

I mean, you have the results of one hurricane. And another one, coming tonight.

Massive. Could be one of the biggest ones that has hit Tampa, in Florida. Of all time!

And she's last night, on Steven Colbert.

STU: Oh, yeah.

GLENN: Drinking a beer with him. Listen to this.

GLENN: But elections are won on vibes.

They just want someone they can have a beer with.

GLENN: Would you like to have a beer with me, so I can tell people what that's like?

This was. Now, we asked ahead of time. I can't just be able to drink to the vice president of the United States. You asked for Miller High Life.

I'm just curious.

KAMALA: Okay. The last time I had beer was at a baseball game with Doug. Okay. Cheers.

VOICE: There you go.

There she is. Cheers for drinking a beer.

VOICE: It tastes like the city of Milwaukee.

KAMALA: The champagne of beers.
VOICE: There you go.

STU: How pathetic. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Like she's picking her beers based on swing states?

GLENN: Right. Right. Right.

STU: It's like, give me a break.

GLENN: But I really like that small brewery, right there in Nevada, and another one really in Arizona is very, very good.

STU: Don't sleep on Georgia and North Carolina.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: Yeah. No. It's pretty pathetic.

GLENN: So what is -- you said this earlier.

What is the strategy change?

Why is it that she's suddenly doing all these interviews?

I think it is because they know they're in trouble.

I think there's been a shift in the polls.

And so she is doing all of these television shows, all friendly.

STU: Uh-huh. Not all -- well, yeah.

Look, there are -- nothing adversarial. You could argue 60 Minutes should be at least is a mainstream normal candidate type environment.

GLENN: Until they edit it.

STU: Until they edit it.

She did face the nation, I think too. Over the weekend. And then she did, of course, the podcast. She's done now the late night shows.

She did The View. She's going everywhere.

This is a massive change in strategy. They have been running this campaign for two or three months. The exact same way.

Keep her out of -- off TV. Just keep her on script, in front of an audience.

Get her in and out. Never have her face a question. The strategy was clear, for multiple months.

Now, all of a sudden, she's everywhere?

That is a massive change. This is a huge development in the campaign.

GLENN: So my gut would say, that the hurricane has changed an awful lot.

STU: Okay.

GLENN: But I'm not sure.

I haven't watched. I have been so busy, all over, everywhere.

I haven't watched mainstream media.

Are they even covering?

Or are they just debunking. Saying. No. FEMA is everywhere.

These are crazy Trump supporters that are saying that. Is there any -- is there any peek behind the curtain, from the mainstream media?

STU: My impression is that they are covering the hurricane. And what's happening to people.

But they are not associating it with a bad response for Kamala Harris.

Or Joe Biden, or anybody else.

I haven't seen that type of coverage. Outside of conservative media.

But they are covering it.

I don't think they're hiding.

I have seen a lot of coverage about it. I had some theories about it. Run them by you.

You pick one. You kind of already selected one. Let me give it to you already. Why has Kamala Harris, all of a sudden, on TV, all the time, doing interviews everywhere?

One, could be public pressure finally getting to the campaign. We've been talking about it for months. Why isn't she doing interviews?

Why isn't she doing interviews? She's even being asked in the occasional interviews that she does, why aren't you out there anymore?

Maybe that finally got to her campaign. Possibility one.

Possibility two. Could be a planned shift in strategy.

Could be that she said, at the outset of this campaign. Let's wait. Let me get up to speed. On all these things.

She wasn't planning on doing a million interviews.

Maybe she's slow walking it.

And doing a blitz in the last month.

It was a planned change in -- change in strategy from the beginning of the campaign.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Possibility number three.

Could be Kamala Harris.

Frustration behind the scenes. Now pushing back against her handlers.

We have seen this. We saw it with Joe Biden. Of course, it was the same strategy with Joe Biden, no. Don't go out there. Don't do anything. He was behind the scenes saying, I can do it. You're not letting me go out there. You're not letting Joe be Joe. And he pushed himself out there.

And, of course, wound up blowing up his campaign.

Could be the same type of thing from Kamala. She may be thinking, you're restraining me.

That's why I'm not winning by more.

Number four, could be that they're looking at internal polls and indicators. And thinking to themselves.

We're in real trouble here.

Something has changed in the past couple of weeks.

Maybe it's the hurricane. Maybe it's something else. We're in real trouble.

Another possibility.

I mean, I'm just kind of throwing these things out there.

GLENN: I've got one for you.

STU: Okay. You've got another one?

GLENN: Maybe the polls are so good. They don't care. They're internal polling.

Now, I don't believe that.

STU: You think it's so -- why would you change strategies, if things were so good?

GLENN: Because I agree with the one, you know, she's like, look, I could be winning by a large margin. You're restraining me.

STU: So kind of the sister of that one. Yeah.

GLENN: And they think they're safe. So why not?

I don't believe that. But that is another possibility.

STU: Another possibility for you, pressure from donors.

You know, maybe donors are like, look, we're not giving you more money, until you actually go out there and get your message out there. We think it's important. That does happen with donors sometimes. It's kind of like, you see this in foreign countries, when there's a war going on.

There's a bunch of people who are kind of pressuring the administration to do X, Y, and Z. Could be the donors are coming to the table. Hey, you're not blowing them out. Because you're sitting back there. And everyone knows you're hiding.

GLENN: Could be. Let me get your answer on this, here in just a second.

First, let me tell you about the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.

It has been a year since the October 7th mask in Israel. By Hamas. One year since 1200 Israelis were murdered.

And more than 250 were taken hostage.

Did you see that Hezbollah is now saying, okay. Okay. Okay.

We give. Uncle. Uncle. Uncle. And Israel is saying to Lebanon. Until you completely renounce Hezbollah. We're not stopping.

I mean, they are fighting to win. Unlike we have seen anyone do, maybe since World War II.

The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, is there, just purely as humanitarian. And letting the Israeli people know, that we are there.

And we are serving you. They have -- they have built bomb shelters.

They're providing flak jackets for people that are on neighborhood watch.

They're doing everything that they can, to support. Ambulances that are -- are bomb proof.

And bulletproof.

I can't believe you need those. But you do there. Let them know, you stand with them.

That we're not the same people, that, you know, we're around in the 1930s and '40s. Call to make your 100-dollar -- 150-dollar gift right now.

All of this will go right directly to help provide food and other necessities, to help these families survive.

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Or call (888)488-4325. Ten-second station ID.
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STU: So...

GLENN: Which one do you buy?

STU: The other one I put, the belief is maybe this campaign is actually hurting her.

And I certainly wouldn't select that one.

I think it's probably a combination.

But I do think that, they probably are seeing this, and seeing some internal indicators, thinking that they're seeing the beginning signs of trouble.

They probably are polling on the issue, and saying, and asking the question.

Internally.

Do -- is Kamala. You know, a version of essentially. Is Kamala Harris hiding?

Do you think Kamala Harris is not putting her positions out there?

Is she not speaking enough?

That stuff you can kind of test. And they might see negative reactions on this.

You look at this. You could say, it might be a tick ahead. You could say it's tied.

But they certainly don't believe that it should be tied.

They think Donald Trump is the worst person of all time.

GLENN: Right.

Well, here's another reason.

Here's Kamala Harris on Howard Stern. Listen to this. Cut 22, please.

KAMALA: To your point, I literally lose sleep. And have been over what is at stake in this election. I mean, honestly, I -- I end the day, pretty much every day, these days, asking myself, what can I do more?

STU: You know, there's a lot of reporting from inside the Kamala Harris campaign, about disappointment, that she is not doing more.

That she is not doing a lot of public events. That she is taking days off, all over the place.

Leading up to this campaign. And that also could be fueling this media blitz.

GLENN: Donald Trump is a machine, man.

STU: He's all over the place. And J.D. Vance is all over the place.

GLENN: Everywhere. Everywhere.

I mean, I went to North Carolina, then I went to Kansas City.

And I had to do the show in between all of those.

So I was just not getting much sleep. I was exhausted yesterday.

And I thought, how is Donald Trump holding this schedule for this long? And he's bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. The guy has not slowed down. It's amazing.

STU: It's hard to argue that about Trump.

GLENN: He is a machine. He is a machine.

Will the Big, Beautiful Bill’s Medicaid changes really “KILL” people?

Democrats claim that the Big, Beautiful Bill will take Medicaid and Medicare away from many Americans and even “kill” people. But is any of this true? Glenn Beck and Stu Burguiere review just the facts and explain who’s actually affected by the changes.

Transcript

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GLENN: Can I address some of the hyperbole around the big, beautiful bill, just a little bit.

If there's anything in the big, beautiful bill to worry about, it's the increase in spending.

Because the spending ourself into oblivion is an actual threat.

To the country. But that's not what anybody is talking about. What everybody seems to be talking about is the tax cuts. Which were already there. Or the tax cuts like no tax for tips. Which you would think the party of the little people. You know, the Democrats. Would all be for. But they're not.

Because they're not party of the little people anymore. And those had to be offset.

Okay. Offset. By what?

Well, by cutting spending. But cutting what spending?

Not cutting spending. Let me just say this. If I said, you know, I made $250,000 a year. And this year, we were going to spend $300,000.
Okay?

And you would say, immediately, Glenn. You can't do that.

And I would say, I've been doing that for 30 years. Okay. You might say, the bank is not going to give a loan.

But then if I came to you and said, yeah. I'm spending $300,000 a year. And my wife and I make 250 or 200,000 a year. But, you know, next year, I was going to spend $500,000.

Did you get a raise? No. I didn't get a raise. I still make 250,000 dollars a year between my wife and I.

But I'm going to spend 500 and not 300. And then somebody came in, like an accountant with some muscle.

And they said, Glenn, you cannot spend $500,000 a year!

Would it make sense if I went back to spending 300, not 200, which I had.

But 300, which I had been spending every year, would it make sense to you to -- for me to say, my children are now going to starve? My children are now going to starve.

Look at the austerity program that I am on.

My gosh, they just -- no. They didn't cut anything. They must cut thinking.

They cut the increase inning spending.

That's what they cut.

And, Stu, could you please explain Medicare.

I mean, all of the people. I know they warned us.

I didn't believe the death squads would actually go out.

And, you know, they want these people off Medicare so badly.

Or Medicaid.

They just sent out death squads. Trump is not waiting for them to die, because he's not waiting for them to get their prescriptions now he just wants them slaughtered in the street.

STU: Yeah, that's the efficiency of the Trump administration. He wants these people dead so badly, he's just killing them in the streets. Actually, no, none of that is happening.

And the Medicaid cuts as you point out, are largely cuts to future increases that have not occurred.

The biggest chunk of this is the work requirements. You've heard this, Glenn.

And, you know, I went through this. And I was like, this can't possibly be what they mean.

I said, wait a minute. When they say work requirement cuts, what does that mean?

So I dove into it a little bit. Basically, what they're saying, you, if you're an able-bodied adult, so that does not include old people, does not include people who are sick and can't work. And it also does not include people who have small children, even if they are able-bodied.

And when I say small, I mean 12 and under. So if you have a 12-year-old. You're completely exempt from this.

But able-bodied adults.

GLENN: Okay. On people in wheelchairs.

STU: No. Gosh, again, I know this is tough. Yeah, this is where it gets difficult.

GLENN: Wait. I'm having a hard time following this. What now?.

STU: So you're an able-bodied adult, that does not have small children.

GLENN: No small children.

STU: You would be required to get Medicaid, to work 20 hours a week.

Now, you might --

GLENN: Twenty hours a week.

STU: Or 80 hours a month.

GLENN: Or 80 hours a month.

That's almost half a full-time job.

STU: Now, you might say to yourself. And this is actually true.

Some people can't get jobs. Right?

I'm sure, there are people trying to get part-time jobs. And maybe can't get them.

Those people will just lose their Medicaid. Well, as you may understand.

Of course not.

Because what you have to do then is go through a process, that you're basically telling them, you're attempting to get a job. Or you're volunteering somewhere, to meet that requirement.

So basically, you have to fill out -- yeah. It's like unemployment.

You have to at least fill out some paperwork here.

GLENN: It's the exact opposite.

Let me see if I have this right.

It's the exact opposite of unemployment which we've had forever.

Which if you're looking for a job, but can't get it. You can still have unemployment.

But it's the exact opposite. Right?

Especially if you're nursing sextuplets.

STU: Again, you're not very close to the truth.

You're a little bit off on this one.

GLENN: No. Huh!

STU: By the way, Glenn, you might say to yourself, wait. How is that a Medicaid cut?

Because they're not cutting anyone's eligibility here. Unless they don't want to meet the requirement.

Of course, there's always been requirements to all of these programs.

So meeting the requirements have always been part of getting on to Medicaid.

This requirement, if you decide basically not to do it. And not participate. And not fill out the paperwork.

Then, yes. You will lose your Medicaid coverage.

What they're saying, hold on. All right.

GLENN: No. I just want to make sure I have it right.

STU: Yes.

GLENN: If you are blind, you're deaf.

STU: No. Again, no.

GLENN: You have no friends, and you can't get out of the house, and you've been on Medicaid, somehow or another, you signed up for that. But now, you don't even know, because you can't hear the news. You certainly can't fill out a form. Because you have no eyes.

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: They just come in and rip your Medicaid away?

STU: No. None of what you said is accurate.

Though, it is calm considering some of the accusations -- comparisons made bit left right now.

But, yeah.

So if you are an able-bodied adult that decides, you know what, I don't feel like filling out the paperwork, or I don't feel like going to job interviews, or I don't feel like volunteering, then yes. You could lose -- but that's what they're saying the cuts are.

They think 317 billion dollars worth of people will not bother doing those things. For whatever reason. Maybe because they had more money than they said. Maybe because they're lazy.

Maybe because -- I'm sure there's some case where some -- I don't know.

I can't think of the case.

GLENN: Blind person.

STU: Because the ailments are covered here.

But, yes. Maybe it's some particular skin color. Then they would reject you.

I don't know.

And it's not just that. There are other cuts. For example, some of the cuts are, they're eliminate duplicate Medicaid enrollment.

If you happen to have Medicaid.

GLENN: I can't double-dip.

STU: In two different states. They're going to try to stop you from having it in two states.

And instead, make you have it one state. Uh-huh.

GLENN: Hold on just one second.

I have two legs. I have two arms. I have two eyes. I have two nostrils. I have two ears.

I can't have two Medicaid coverages. It's insane!

STU: I know.

It's really, really brutal.

GLENN: I have two kidneys. I can only have one kidney now, you know, repaired?

STU: Now --

GLENN: Is that what you're saying?

STU: That's not what I'm saying. But, yes. I'm sure that's what's being reported out there by Dana Bash.

Another one, I will give you here, Glenn. They talked about immigrants.

You know, immigrants getting on their Medicaid cut. Now, this is tough. What this bill does, I want you to hold on to your hat here, Glenn.

GLENN: Okay.

STU: If you have green card holders and other certain immigrants, some will lose their coverage. Or actually, sorry, eligibility will -- retain for those people.

Certain other immigrants may lose their coverage. The current law says, all who are lawfully present.

That will kick in after a -- how many year waiting period?

Let me guess, it's a five-year waiting period.

So it will be the next president who has to deal with this, when future Congress will just put it right back in. And it's not a savings at all.

And then you have Medicaid death checks. They're going to require --

GLENN: They're checking on whether your debt? Look at this! It's crazy.

STU: It's brutal. It really is.

GLENN: You're going to kick all of the immigrants off in five years.

STU: No.

GLENN: And then you're checking to see if old people are dead!

When will you leave these people alone?

STU: I know. So, anyway, we can go through this stuff all day. But as you point out, most of this stuff is not at all, what the left is saying it is.

It's not the desperate Medicaid cuts that are going to ruin everybody's lives. A lot of them are just really common sense stuff, making sure you don't have them in two states. I don't know what the positive argument is for that. But they'll make it.

GLENN: Well, they don't have one. That's why they don't make it about that.

Liz Wheeler BLASTS Pam Bondi’s Epstein deception

The Department of Justice and FBI are now claiming that there NEVER was any Epstein client list and nobody else needs to be charged. But what about Attorney General Pam Bondi’s previous claim that the list was on her desk?! BlazeTV host Liz Wheeler, who had been given one of Bondi’s ill-fated “Epstein Files” binders, joins Glenn Beck to discuss how the MAGA movement should react to the claims made by Bondi, Kash Patel, and Dan Bongino.

Transcript

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GLENN: Liz Wheeler. Liz wrote to me early today. Let me see if I can -- may I quote you here, Liz?

LIZ: Yes, you may. Thanks for having me, Glenn.

GLENN: Okay. Yeah. You bet. She said, give me one good reason why I shouldn't scream for Pam Bondi to be fired today? And this was at 5 o'clock in the morning. And I said, I'm sleepy. But I don't think I can.

I don't think I can give you a reason not to -- not to call for her firing today. But I want you to explain, why do you feel this way?

LIZ: It's not something that I say lightly. I didn't say it immediately after the White House, Epstein binder debacle. And I want to very prudently and judiciously make this case to you today and to make this case to President Trump too. Because Pam Bondi has become a liability to her administration, despite her loyalty in other areas. So let's start with the announcement from the Department of Justice last night.

A lot of us have a lot of questions about this announcement. It just doesn't ring true with a lot of us. We see a lot of evidence before our eyes that contradicts what we're being told without evidence to believe by the FBI and the Department of Justice. And it grates on us.

Because like you mentioned, we are friends with Kash Patel and Dan Bongino.

They're the good guys. We trust them.

And yet, we have to use our critical thinking faculties and look at the evidence before our eyes.

So it smells fishy. You'll notice it says nothing about whether Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence asset.

Which, as you mentioned, Alex Acosta, the attorney who cut the sweetheart deal originally with Epstein. Said he was, before Accosta's emails mysteriously disappeared. So we have questions about that.

There are also outstanding, important questions about Kash Patel and Dan Bongino's definitive pronouncement, that Epstein killed himself.

I'm sorry. I don't think the video that they released proves definitively that they were stating that case.

GLENN: Why?

LIZ: Because it does not show what's happening in the cell. It just shows the cell door. We don't actually see him kill himself.

GLENN: Right. But we know that nobody came in.

LIZ: Through that door.

GLENN: Where are they going to go true, the little bars? Little drag la? A little bat.

LIZ: I don't know what the internal cell looks like. I don't know what they have. I don't know if they have fire escape routes. I don't know if they have adjoining doors. I don't know if they have emergency exits. I don't know if that video was doctored or not.

I don't know enough about that, to simply take that one piece of evidence.

GLENN: Okay. So that's a good point.

Just show us the room. Show us what's inside the room.

LIZ: Yes. We need more evidence.

GLENN: That's reasonable.

LIZ: One piece of evidence.

It's not enough.

GLENN: Yeah.

LIZ: The other thing, I wonder with Kash Patel and Dan Bongino are relying too much on the FBI's prior investigation to the FBI of old is a reliable narrator. I don't know who conducted those investigations, or if it was done soundly. I doubt it was done soundly.

GLENN: So may I just interject here.

LIZ: Yes.

GLENN: I talked to Dan Bongino a few weeks ago about this off-air. And, Glenn, we are turning over every stone. We are going to get to the bottom of it.

We are -- so, I mean, he led me to believe that, and I believed him. And I still do.

That he was using new resources. Opening the investigation in -- in a new way. Following it closely.

And I do believe Dan Bongino is one of the good guys.

LIZ: I do too. And I've been told the same thing by high-ranking officials in the FBI. Who I trust. They're trustworthy people.

I do think, that it might not be possible at this point, to piece together everything, because we know there have been reports of evidence, destruction.

So my issue with that definitive statement was the definitive nature of it.

This 100 percent happened this way. Epstein killed himself. Instead of saving, we don't have enough evidence to piece this together, or the evidence we have points to this.

All that being said, though, I want to talk about what happened last night.

Because this brings to us attorney general Pam Bondi, who just months ago said she had the Epstein client list on her desk.

When I went back to look at that video, the clip of her on Fox News, again, this morning, to make sure that there was not context that I was lacking, that there was not bungled phraseology, maybe nerves being on the air.

I went back and listened to it. She said definitively, she had the Epstein client list on her desk.

Now, fast forward to yesterday, she says that it doesn't exist, that they don't have it.

That is a really big problem. If I'm president today --

GLENN: Okay. Let me play this, from Bondi. This is back in February. Here is the actual statement she made.

Listen.

VOICE: The DOJ may be releasing the list of Epstein's clients. Will that really happen?

VOICE: It's sitting on my desk right now, to review.

That's been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm reviewing JFK files. MLK files. That's all in the process of being reviewed, because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies.

VOICE: So have you seen anything, that you said, oh, my gosh?

VOICE: Not yet.

VOICE: Okay. Well, we'll check back with you.

GLENN: Okay. So now let me take you back to Kash Patel. Because something similar was said to me. Here he is. Cut 12.

So who has Jeffrey Epstein's?

VOICE: Black book? FBI.

GLENN: But who?

VOICE: Oh, that's under direct control of the director of the FBI. Just like the manifesto from the Nashville school shooting. The Catholic school. We still haven't seen that, right?

It's not the Nashville police or PD saying, we don't want this out. The FBI airmailed into that operation and said, this is not getting out. Because they do that because this is another government gangster operation.

All these local law enforcement communities get funding from the DOJ and FBI from local programs. And if you don't cooperate, you're not getting your million dollars for this.

That's a lot of money from these local districts. That's how they play the game. That's why you don't have a black book.

GLENN: Because the black book, it's not just sitting. That's Hoover power times ten.

VOICE: And to me, that's a thing I think President Trump should run on. On day one, roll out the black book.

And not just that, on day one, all the text messages and communications we were told were deleted. On day one, play the rest of the video of the pipe bomber.

You know, he needs -- one of the reforms I talk about in government gangsters.

Is you need a central node to be continuously declassifying. This is another thing they do. They overclassify.

They are not telling you -- as a former number two in the IC, they overclassify 50 percent of the stuff there to protect the Deep State.

Oh, no.

You can't see that. Nothing to see here.

Gina was a master at it. Of doing it. And we haven't seen half of the Russiagate report we wrote. Still under lock and key.

On how the ICA was originally constructed. We went -- we put 10,000 man-hours against John Brennan's team that did it.

And we found out why they came up with their bogus conclusions. We couldn't sell it with the world.

Because we couldn't talk about it. And the government cancers came in and buried it.

All of these things, there needs to be a continuing central power whether it's the White House or off-site that says, every request that comes in.
Just right out the door. As long as it's not awe major threat to national security.

VOICE: Liz, they're both very clear.

It existed. But Pam Bondi did not say, she had any names in it.

She kind of made me feel like she hadn't really looked at it.

Kash Patel gave me the impression, he had seen it. Or at least he knew about it.

So how do we go from here?

VOICE: Yes. Listen.

People care deeply about the Epstein files because there was a grisly crime that we know for a fact that was committed.

Epstein was convicted of that.

It wasn't speculative. He was convicted of that. People feel that there's evidence of a cover-up. Not -- we're not inventing a conspiracy. There's evidence of a cover-up of this crime.

Pam Bondi as attorney general has exacerbated this trust. And it gives me no pleasure to say this. Because I like to give the benefit of the doubt to people that are on our side.

But going back to that day in the White House, this February. I haven't told this part of the story before.

Attorney General Pam Bondi, when we met with her. We weren't at the White House to meet with her. We just met with her while she was there.

Pam Bondi bragged to us about making that cover sheet on the binder, the one that read the most transparent administration in history.

She said, she had made it. She had printed it. She was proud of it. She placed it on that binder.

Glenn, to call that a severe lack of judgment would be the understatement of the year. There is no way, in my mind, and I've tried every way to Sunday, to square that behavior with the announcement that we got last night with the Department of Justice.

Pam Bondi told us at the time, she said, I've requested the Epstein files, the files in the binder, were the ones given to me. Nothing was in them, she told us at the time. Then a whistle-blower told her, she told us. And said the FDNY was hiding other files. That's the story she had told us, that there's been a Deep State cover-up. So at the time, after we were given these binders, we waited. Right? You give your side the benefit of the doubt. Maybe Pam Bondi will come up with the goods, even though the rollout was botched to say the least.

But she -- this is another thing I have not discussed publicly before. She said, she had not seen the FDNY documents at the time that she was telling us about them.

I asked her directly that day in the White House. When she said, a whistle-blower told us about these truckloads of FDNY documents. I said, have you seen them? She said no, she sent the request and they're brining them to her.

So contextualizing all of this, suddenly this seems like unforgivable behavior.

How could she give the American people -- not just me. I don't care about how this impacts me. How can she give the American people those binders that contain nothing, while at the same time, bragging about the cover sheet that she made.

The most transparent administration in history. And tell us that the FDNY had the real goods, that the binder was just proof of a Deep State cover-up. That was the real story she told us. Only now to say, sorry, there's actually nothing.

So it leaves us with this situation. What are the options? The options are, well, was she herself set up by some Deep State FBI officials trying to make a fool of her? It's possible, maybe even probable.

GLENN: Possible.

LIZ: But here's the thing, if you're smart, if you're savvy, if you're sharp enough to be Attorney General of the United States, you verify such information.

You don't assume its veracity and publicize it for clicks. And that's what she did.

So then we get to the point, that we think, okay. Well, what does this say about her judgment?

Is she just click thirsty? Is she wanting to be a Fox News star? Did she get out over her skis, trying to make news, being a mega champion with those binders, that maybe she had not verified the contents of, and she definitely hadn't verified the contents of the FDNY truckload. You can't square this announcement with the binders. With the binders in February, unless you allow for the idea that Pam Bondi could be operating in a way that is unacceptable, when on Fox News. Said she had a client list on her desk to review, when she hadn't looked at the documents.

And was just saying that to be a television star. I say this. In somewhat sorrowfully. If I'm President Trump, I would not tolerate this behavior anymore. She's become a liability to the administration. I think the administration is probably just now coming to the realization of how much goodwill this whole debacle has cost them with their voters.

And Pam Bondi is not worth it. She's a liability. It's time to move on.

The INCREDIBLE TRUE Story of Benjamin Franklin

Was Benjamin Franklin the greatest and most modern Founding Father? This July 4th week, “The Greatest American” author Mark Skousen joins Glenn Beck to tell the incredible and true story of Benjamin Franklin.

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GLENN: Dr. Mark Skousen, friend of the program, friend of mine. America's economist.

He is -- he has written a new book on the greatest American and the greatest American, he says is Ben Franklin. And I tend to agree with him. He's at least in the top five greatest Americans. Welcome to the program, Mark. How are you?

MARK: I'm doing well. We're out here in the Mediterranean Sea right now on a cruise, but isn't it great technology that even Ben Franklin would love?

GLENN: You know, I don't think people really understand the genius of Ben Franklin. I mean, there's this great article in the times of London.

I don't remember when. But he was going back to London. He was going to challenge the king.

And he was going back. And they said, don't let his boat come in to dock.

Because he's been working with electricity, and he has a ray gun, and he will vaporize, you know, all of London.

I mean, he was -- he was the Elon Musk of his day, but he was almost more magical, because people didn't understand it.

Back then. What did you find in writing this book about Ben Franklin, that you think most people just don't know?

MARK: Well, this is the thing. So when I wrote the greatest American, I thought to myself, everybody -- lots of books have been written on his biography.

So what I did was I came up with 80 chapters on how he is the most modern of all the Founders. And how he could talk about the modern issues of today, whether it's trade or taxes or inflation or war. Discrimination. Inequality.

I have a chapter on each one of these, in the greatest American.

And, you know, he was a Jack-of-all-trades.
And the master of all, on top of it!

So one of the things I thought would be really cool, if you put my book, on every coffee table in America, and people came in to visit, they would look at this book. And there might be an argument, as you say, as to who is the greatest American. Whether it's George Washington or Elon Musk, or what have you.

GLENN: Whatever.

MARK: When they see the picture of Ben Franklin, they sit there and nod their head. And say, wow. This is the guy I want to sit down with and talk to.

And have a beer with.

Because if you sat with some of the other Founders, they would get in an argument with you. Or they would refuse to answer the question. Or what have you.

But Franklin was willing to talk to a janitor, as well as the king of France. And that's pretty unique.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. He could.

He was an amazing guy. So tell me, in your research of him, you know, you always hear that, oh, Ben Franklin was a notorious womanizer, and everything else.

And he abandoned his wife. Deborah? Was that her name?

MARK: Yes. Deborah. That's correct.

GLENN: Did that -- what's true, or what's not true about that?

MARK: So he certainly was the most liberal-minded when it came to the sexual revolution.

That's why I say, he's the most modern of the Founders. Because he was not prudish like John and Abigail Adams, who thought he was a reprobate. And sinner. And not a churchgoer. And stuff like that.

GLENN: Right.

MARK: So, yes. He was -- the ladies loved him. And he loved the ladies.

There's no question about that, that he was a bit of a playboy. And, in fact, he even admits in his autobiography, of having an illegitimate child, William. But then he settled down. He married Deborah. And, yes, Deborah and him, they did separate because -- and it was really more her fault than his, because when he went to London as a London agent, she had extreme aversion to going out on this -- the seas. It was a dangerous time period.

So it's kind of like people don't like to fly on airplanes today. So they did grow apart. There's no question about that.

But they maintained their -- their love for each other.

And, as a matter of fact, when Franklin died, he's buried right next to Deborah. So I think that's an indication of their -- their love and so forth. But they were very different personalities. She was very focused on -- on more of the home issues. She was not a public intellectual.

She would not feel comfortable in the same conversations that Franklin would have with scientists.

And with public thinkers, and stuff like that. So they definitely differed in their personality.

GLENN: The -- the story about his son William is one of the saddest chapters.

I mean, you know, Thomas Paine kind of looked at him as a father figure. And he -- you know, Ben Franklin did have a son, William, as you said. And they -- they had a really bad falling out.

Can you quickly tell that story?

MARK: Yeah. So I have a chapter on that very issue. Because who were his enemies, and he did have a number of enemies, including John Adams, at one point. But in the case of William, he, Franklin, arranged for William to be the governor of New Jersey. And he maintained his loyalty. He was a loyalist. Billy was throughout the American Revolution!

And at the end of the American Revolution, or during the American Revolution, Franklin writes his son and he said, it's one thing to -- we can differ on various issues.

But when you actually raise money, raise armaments to attack me, this was beyond the pale.

This is not something that you should have done. And then at the end of his letter, he says, this is a disagreeable subject!

I drop it. So you can feel that emotion, that anger.

And, yes. He removed him from -- from his will.

So there -- there -- Franklin got along with almost everyone.

And I have a whole chapter on how to deal in the greatest American. How to deal with enemies and be how to make your enemies, your friends.

But this was one example where he just couldn't cross over and forgive him. For what the -- for what we had done.

GLENN: I don't think --

CHIP: Just like you are saying.

GLENN: I think I would have a hard time doing that too if my son was raising funds and military against me. It would be kind of hard to forgive.

Mark, thank you so much for your work. It's always good to talk to you.

The name of the book is by Mark Skousen. And it is called The Greatest American. It's all about Ben Franklin. If you don't know anything about Ben Franklin, you will fall in love with him. You will absolutely fall in love with him. Mark Skousen is the author. The name of the book again, The Greatest American.