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Could Elon Musk END the left’s 'CENSORSHIP REGIME'?

Thanks to the far-left striking against another private individual — this time the Libs of TikTok creator — Elon Musk's attempts to buy Twitter now is more important than ever. Glenn Greenwald, Author of 'Securing Democracy,' joins Glenn to discuss the far-left's 'censorship regime.' It has 'become a very powerful tool in the hands of the corporate media,' he explains, and it's one of the only tools they have to shut down voices that oppose it. Which is why Elon Musk — who Greenwald says wants to 'overturn the censorship regime and reinstate a framework of free speech' — is making the left PANIC.

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So we have Glenn Greenwald joining us now. Hi, Glenn.

GREENWALD: Hey, Glenn, how are you?

GLENN: I'm very good, thank you so much for joining. I don't even know where to begin. I guess I want to start with Taylor Lorenz, and the Washington Post, exposing the person behind the Libs of TikTok. I would love to hear your opinion. Mine is, this has nothing to do with anything other than that particular thread was popular. And the Libs of TikTok was making it --

GREENWALD: And conservative.

GLENN: Right. And conservative. So it's got to be shut down.

GREENWALD: Exactly. You know, this is my view on it is: If you want to have some kind of journalistic debate in the abstract about whether it's newsworthy once a person accumulates a certain level of influence on social media and begins to do things like appear anonymously on cable shows, like she has on Fox. That it somehow is journalistically justifiable to tell the public, who the person is. Who has become so influential. I wouldn't agree with that. I don't think that's a proper way, especially for corporate giants. Media giants. Like the Washington Post. Owned by Jeff Bezos. To be spending their time unmasking private citizens. But if you wanted to argue that you can fit that within the definition of newsworthiness, that's something I could swallow. Even though I wouldn't agree with it. If it would be really applied consistently. Meaning that today, I could go and find out the real life identity of some popular trans woman, who has a following -- a big follower account on Facebook. And expose her. Even though she claims her anonymity is not necessarily for her safety. Or maybe tomorrow, Fox could send a camera crew to the homes of Taylor Lorenz' parents and siblings, in order to ask questions about her, the way she did, to the family members of this private person behind this Twitter account.

But, of course, that would never be permissible. If any of that happened, the media would have a complete meltdown. They would declare some sort of National Day of Mourning. If anybody did that to Taylor Lorenz or Black Lives Matter activists or a trans person on social media, this is nothing more than an attempt to punish private citizens for having the wrong political ideology. Under the guise of journalism. So this whole extract debate about what is newsworthy. It's just a fraud. It's a pretext to cover for the fact, that this is a political operation, designed to punish somebody for making their voice heard with views that the media dislikes.

GLENN: Is this any different than the Twitter story with Elon Musk?

GREENWALD: I think in a lot of ways, there are similarities, in that, one of the things that has happened. The censorship regime that has grown so quickly, on these Silicon Valley monopolistic platforms like Facebook and Google. And Twitter. You know, I think people have forgotten that the real cascade, the first time it was done, was only three years ago, in 2018, or 2019, when these corporations united and decided they were going to ban Alex Jones and Milo Yiannopoulos from the internet. Deperson them all at once. And most people cheered, because most people don't like those two figures. And they ignored the precedent. And we tried to warn them that the president was going to create a censorship regime. And I think what has happened, the censorship regime has become a very powerful tool in the hands of the corporate media. Because it lets them silence dissidence to their orthodoxies, and people who compete with them, who develop a large audience. Liberals of TikTok has a larger audience than a lot of media people do. She's more popular. She's more influential. They want to silence her. So I think that's one big benefit. But the other big benefit of it is it's become a very valuable way of propagandizing the public.

I don't know if you saw, I reported on it yesterday, a bunch of former intelligence and national security officials issued a letter denouncing attempts in Congress to rein in the monopolistic power of big tech by saying, it's important that big tech have this power centralized in their power. The sense of the internet. Because that's how we advance U.S. national security interest. And a lot of power centers, see this as an important tool to enforce liberal orthodoxy and to be able to punish and silence and censor and banish any dissidence from it.

GLENN: Let me switch again. Talk to you just about everything. You're so plugged in. I don't know if you saw this story, I'm sure you did. About the CIA tracking Trump phones, and this seemingly -- this seemingly goes all the way back to 2014. It's my understanding CIA cannot do that, inside of America. Does anybody care?

GREENWALD: I do not think they do. Because the reality is that the contrived and fraudulent scandal that to me natured U.S. politics for five years, basically during the entire Trump presidency, and the capable, which was Russiagate. Was cooked up by the CIA. They were the ones who wanted to manufacture that false political scandal, as a way of undermining and subverting a president who they disliked, who nonetheless had been elected by the American people.

And before the 2020 election, when they were so desperate, to ensure Trump wasn't reelected, they did the same thing.

The completely false and fraudulent claim, that the Hunter Biden laptop and emails that reflected Joe Biden's business activities in China and Russia, were Russian advertise information. Despite being a complete lie. Was used by big tech to censor that reporting right before the election. Was used by the media to discredit it. And that also came from the intelligence community. Because many of the same intelligence officials that I just said, signed that letter for big tech, were the ones who signed this letter that this was Russian disinformation.

For me, this is, Glenn, the most important and the most undercover story of the last five or six years, is the increasing use of whatever you want to call it. You know, the security state, the deep state. The CIA-led blob. That increasingly, their attention is not directed to foreign countries or adversaries, or even foreign populations, which by charter, where they're required to operate. But instead, is being -- the dark guards of these agencies are being used inward, domestically to manipulate U.S. public opinion. And U.S. elections. And I can hardly think of anything more dangerous, than discriminate unelected power factions in Washington now seeking a major role, in trying to dictate how the American public thinks, and how they vote. And the outcome of elections.

GLENN: So some of the reaction to some of these things. For instance, the Lorenz and the Twitter, you know, insanity over Elon Musk. Says to me, that they are afraid. Really afraid. And people are starting to wake up.

Are we starting to turn a corner, or is that wishful thinking? Where are we?

GREENWALD: Yeah. I think that's a great question. Because if you look at every metric, there is no doubt that public faith and trust in mainstream, large media corporations is at their lowest level ever.

Nobody watches cable news. Because they don't find any value in it. They don't trust the -- the hosts with one exception. Which is Fox. It still has an okay audience. But CNN and MSNBC are completely dying.

For all these new heralded liberal digital outlets, you know, Buzzfeed and Huffington Post, Vice, and all of those are completely collapsing.

I mean, they're disintegrating rapidly. They probably won't exist anymore. It's kind of like a complete consolidation where only the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal actually commend their audience.

So they know the public has completely turned against them. Then at the same time, what you see, the rise of independent media. You know, there's a time when I would say, just a short time ago, the most influential voice in the United States and the media was yourself.

Looking at your audience. And the influence that you have. And you still have a lot of that. I would say, now the most influential media person is someone who completely is disconnected from any media corporation, or even the discourse they produce. Which is Joe Rogan. If you look at the sites that are growing, as opposed to collapsing, the way mainstream media outlets are. It's all of the independent sites that promise free speech, that promise heterodox news.

And, of course, the people who work inside media organizations are looking at this, and they're petrified. And they want to keep hold of the only things they still have, which for the moment are the ability to censor the internet, using big tech platforms. So when Elon Musk comes and says, I want to overturn the censorship regime, and reinstate a framework of free speech, of course, they panic. That's one of the few weapons they have left, to perturb the little power they have. And also the ability to banish their competitors. People of independent media. Is also something they're really desperate to keep as well.

And it does make me optimistic, but at the same time, power centers don't lose power without a huge fight.

GLENN: Right.

GREENWALD: And even though Elon Musk is the most powerful or the richest man in the world. If he were really serious about buying Twitter and really serious about allowing freedom of speech, allowing Trump back on the platform. Allowing views that are banned now to be heard. I think he would be in for a kind of a fight from the media, from the intelligence community, from the government. Unlike anything he's ever seen.

GLENN: Oh, I agree.

And I will tell you, that I think we're dealing with people that kind of had the attitude, if I can't have it, no one will.


GREENWALD: Yeah. There's so much bitterness. And professional jealousy. A columnist at Substack. And a writer. Super interesting guy. Mostly on the left, Glenn. Very independent-minded. Freddie Dabor (phonetic) wrote an article about six months ago, basically saying that the reason that these people in the media are so vindictive and they love to destroy people's lives. Like you just saw Taylor Lorenz do, by unmasking this woman, to the applause of most of her colleagues is because they absolutely have a very miserable existence. You know, they work for gigantic media conglomerates. They -- these media conglomerates. Are not doing well. Nobody is consuming their product. Which means, the pay is bad. The work conditions are bad. They're required to turn out eight to ten kind of trivial, superficial articles, a day or 20 a week.

Just to keep the content bill grinding. They're reaching middle-age. They have no job security. No one trusts them. No one likes them. The work is unfulfilling.

That's why they're so angry. And I think a lot of it is exactly what you said. That if you find success, outside of their constraints, their corporate constraints, they despise you.

That's why they're so happy to see Julian Assange being imprisoned from his journalism, even though he's broken more major stories than anyone. Because she's he's not part of their club. And if you succeed like Joe Rogan has, or anyone else, you become their target. Because that's the only thing they have left is that anger and rage, about how the public has turned against them.

GLENN: You -- or, there was a Twitter story out from Jared Rabell (phonetic). He said, I boarded a plane today with my son. And mid-flight, the pilot announces that the mask mandate is over. Flight attendants pulled over their masks, sneezed directly into their hands, while screaming, this is MAGA airspace! My son turned to me in tears and said, I don't know what to do.

Then after posting that, he got messaged from the New York Times. A journalist. That said, I would like to talk to you over the phone about what happened on your flight this evening. Can you please give me a call at this number, or let me know how I can reach you. Hope this isn't coming too late for your day. Thank you. They didn't know that it was a joke.

GREENWALD: Imagine how completely detached you have to be from just basic American conservatives. Or just ordinary people who don't -- who aren't affluent liberals who live on the coast. To believe a story like that. That conservatives are so vindictive, that they would not only celebrate the elimination of masks, which is a very reasonable thing to do. But then to start purposefully sneezing into their hands, to try to declare this is my -- how much of a caricature you have in your head, about half the country, in order to believe that. The satire was, you know, extreme. It was designed to be immediately recognizable. And the New York Times reporter, believes it. Because that's what she believes about conservatives. So this gigantic breach we have between the elite, affluent, liberal, postal elites. And the entire rest of the country. At least in my lifetime. Has never been wider. And it's one of the main reasons why no one trusts them.

Because they live in a different world and speak a different language. And their lives are completely removed from those people's experiences.

GLENN: Glenn Greenwald. If you could hold for one more minute. I just want to ask you one more question.

And that is, what is the thing that we should really be paying attention to? What is the thing that is keeping you up at night, like this is so critical that we pay attention to. We'll do that in 60 seconds.

Let me tell you about the Tuttle Twins books. The, you know, knowledge -- knowledge is power. And you need to really understand what's going on. Right now, they're blaming inflation on everybody. And you can blame inflation on the incredible spending, in Washington, DC. On both sides.

But the one that you really have to worry about is the Federal Reserve. People think, oh, the Federal Reserve. That's part of the government. No, it's not. No, it's not. It's a corporation owned by the biggest banks in the country.

They're bailing themselves out. They're -- they're printing money like there's no tomorrow. It is the creature from Jekyll island.

It is critical for every family to understand, what inflation is. How it works. What causes it. How you stop it. And what the fed's role is, in all of this. These books aren't going to last for long. I asked the Tuttle Twins, if they would make this one for free. Because I think every family needs to have it. It's the creature from Jekyll island. The Tuttle Twins. And you can get it now at TuttleTwinsBeck.com. While supplies last. The Tuttle Twins. And the creature from Jekyll island. TuttleTwinsBeck.com.

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Glenn, I am -- I am torn on stories between SEL and what's happening in our schools, to our kids.

And The Great Reset. And ESG. I don't know where to go. What is the story, or stories that you think everybody needs to pay attention to this?

GREENWALD: Well, you know, we -- you could obviously make a case on multiple different stories, as sort of the most important. I come at it from more of a civil libertarian perspective. That's how I started writing about civil liberty abuses, on American soil in the name of the War on Terror. So for me, there's a second War on Terror, that has been launched. Not with -- with very little fanfare. In the name of January 6th, that is entirely domestic in nature. And it's entailing a whole variety of rollbacks of civil liberties. The way the January 6th defendants have decreed it. When you think of the January 6 riots has been, I mean, unprecedented.

GLENN: I agree. Yeah.

GREENWALD: And it's creating all kinds of precedence about being able to turn protesters into felons, about the ability to punish people for their political views. And then at the same time, we have an actual foreign war as well, which is ostensibly between two other countries on the other side of the world, which the United States is increasingly involved in. Biden announced $500 million today, every kind of ten days. There's another $750 million just flowing to Ukraine. Weapons being bought. Given to Ukraine.

GLENN: It's bad.

GREENWALD: And, again, whatever you think of that war. With each war, there's always civil liberties rolled back. Kind of suppression of dissent. And these two parallel wars. The domestic War on Terror, against the Trump movement, in the name of January 6th. And the war against Russia, that the West is waging, is making me very concerned about people essentially losing site of everything the government is doing.

GLENN: 100 percent agree. And I am so afraid, we are getting into a war. Of convenience here. To be able to enact all kinds of things. That, you know -- that we're collapsing our economy, at the same time. And this is only hastening that. It is -- it's an interesting time to be alive.

Glenn Greenwald. Thank you so much. We'll talk again.

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Salena Zito reveals WHY Trump said “Fight! Fight! Fight!”

“I have a new purpose,” then-candidate Donald Trump told reporter Salena Zito after surviving the assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania. Salena joins Glenn Beck to reveal what Trump told her about God, his purpose in life, and why he really said, “Fight! Fight! Fight!”, as she details in her new book, “Butler: The Untold Story of the Near Assassination of Donald Trump and the Fight for America's Heartland”.

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GLENN: Salena, congratulations on your book. It is so good.

Just started reading it. Or listening to it, last night.

And I wish you would have -- I wish you would have read it. But, you know, the lady you have reading it is really good.

I just enjoy the way you tell stories.

The writing of this is the best explanation on who Trump supporters are. That I think I've ever read, from anybody.

It's really good.

And the description of your experience there at the edge of the stage with Donald Trump is pretty remarkable as well. Welcome to the program.

SALENA: Thank you, Glenn. Thank you so much for having me.

You know, I was thinking about this, as I was ready to come on. You and I have been along for this ride forever. For what?

Since 2006? 2005?

Like 20 years, right?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

SALENA: And I've been chronicling the American people for probably ten more years, before that. And it's really remarkable to me, as watching how this coalition has grown. Right?

And watching how people have the -- have become more aspirational.

And that's -- and that is what the conservative populist coalition is, right?

It is the aspirations of many, but the celebration of the individual.

And chronicling them, yeah. Has been -- has been, a great honor.

GLENN: You know, I was thinking about this yesterday, when -- when Elon Musk said he was starting another party.

And somebody asked me, well, isn't he doing what the Tea Party tried to do?

No. The Tea Party was not going to start a new party.

It was to -- you know, it was to coerce and convince the Republican Party to do the right thing. And it worked in many ways. It didn't accomplish what we hoped.

But it did accomplish a lot of things.

Donald Trump is a result of the Tea Party.

I truly believe that. And a lot of the people that were -- right?

Were with Donald Trump, are the people that were with the Tea Party.


SALENA: That's absolutely right.

So that was the inception.

So American politics has always had movements, that have been just outside of a party. Or within a party.

That galvanize and broaden the coalition. Right? They don't take away. Or walk away, and become another party.

If anything, if there is a third party out there, it's almost a Republican Party.

Because it has changed in so many viable and meaningful ways. And the Tea Party didn't go away. It strengthened and broadened the Republican Party. Because these weren't just Republicans that became part of this party.

It was independents. It was Democrats.

And just unhappy with the establishment Republicans. And unhappy with Democrats.

And that -- that movement is what we -- what I see today.

What I see every day. What I saw that day, in butler, when I showed I happen at that rally.

As I do, so many rallies, you know, throughout my career. And that one was riveting and changed everything.

GLENN: You made a great case in the opening chapter. You talk about how things were going for Donald Trump.

And how this moment really did change everything for Donald Trump.

Changed the trajectory, changed the mood.

I mean, Elon Musk was not on the Trump train, until this.

SALENA: Yeah.

GLENN: Moment. What do I -- what changed? How -- how did that work?

And -- and I contend, that we would have much more profound change, had the media actually done their job and reported this the way it really was. Pragmatism

SALENA: You know, and people will find this in the book. I'm laying on the ground with an agent on top of me.

I'm 4 feet away from the president.

And there's -- there's notices coming up on my phone. Saying, he was hit by broken glass.

And to this take, that remains part of this sibling culture, in American politics.

Because reporters were -- were so anxious to -- to right what they believed happened.

As opposed to what happened.

And it's been a continual frustration of mine, as a reporter, who is on the ground, all the time.

And I'll tell you, what changed in that moment.

And I say a nuance, and I believe nuance is dead in American journalism.

But it was a nuance and it was a powerful conversation, that I had with President Trump, the next day. He called me the next morning.

But it's a powerful conversation I had with him, just two weeks ago.

When he made this decision to say, fight, fight, fight.

People have put in their heads, why they think he said it. But he told me why he said that. And he said, Salena, in that moment, I was not Donald Trump the man. I was a former president. I was quite possibly going to be president again.

And I had an obligation to the country, and to the office that I have served in, to project strength. To project resolve.

To project that we will not be defeated.

And it's sort of like a symbolic eagle, that is always -- you know, that symbol that we look at, when we think about our country.

He said, that's why I said that. I didn't want the people behind me panicking. I didn't want the people watching, panicking.

I had to show strength. And it's that nuance -- that I think people really picked up on.

And galvanized people.

GLENN: So he told me, when he was laying down on the stage.

And you can hear him. Let me get up. Let me get up.

I've got to get up.

He told me, as I was laying on the stage. I asked him, what were you thinking? What was going through your head? Now, Salena, I don't know about you.

But with me. It would be like, how do I get off the stage? My first was survival.

He said, what was going on through his mind was, you're not pathetic. This is pathetic.

You're not afraid. Get up.

Get up.

And so is that what informed his fight, fight, fight, of that by the time that he's standing up, he's thinking, I'm a symbol? Or do you think he was thinking, I'm a symbol, this looks pathetic. It makes you look weak.

Stand up. How do you think that actually happened?

SALENA: He thinks, and we just talked about this weeks ago. He -- you know, and this is something that he's really thought about.

Right? You know, he's gone over and over and over. And also, purpose and God. Right? These are things that have lingered with him.

You know, he -- he thought, yes.

He did think, it was pathetic that he was on the ground. But he wasn't thinking about, I'm Donald Trump. It's pathetic.

He's thinking, my country is symbolically on the ground. I need to get up, and I need to show that my country is strong.

That our country is resolute.

And I need people to see that.

We can't go on looking like pathetic.

Right?

And I think that then goes to that image of Biden.

GLENN: You have been with so many presidents.

How many presidents do you think that you've personally been with, would have thought that and reacted that way?

SALENA: Probably only Reagan. Reagan would have. Reagan probably would have thought that.

And if you remember how he was out like standing outside.

You know, waving out the window. Right?

After he was shot.

GLENN: At the hospital, right.

SALENA: Had he not been knocked out, unconscious, you know, he probably would have done the same thing.

Because he was someone who deeply believed in American exceptionalism.

And American exceptionalism does not go lay on the ground.

GLENN: And the symbol.

Right. The symbol of the presidency.

SALENA: Yeah. Absolutely. And I think that affects him today.

GLENN: So let me go back to God.

Because you talked to him the next day. And your book Butler.

He calls you up.

I love the fact that your parents would be ashamed of you. On what you said to him.

The language you used. That you just have to read the book.

It's just a great part.

But he calls you the next morning. And wants to know if you're okay.

And you -- you then start talking to him, about God.

And I was -- I was thinking about this, as I was listening to it. You know, Lincoln said, I wasn't -- I wasn't a Christian.

Even though, he was.

I wasn't a Christian, when I was elected. I wasn't a Christian when my son died.

I became a Christian at Gettysburg.

Is -- is -- I mean, I believe Donald Trump always believes in God, et cetera, et cetera.

Do you think there was a real profound change at Butler with him?


SALENA: Absolutely. You know, he called me seven times that day. Seven times, the take after seven.

GLENN: Crazy.

SALENA: Talked about. And I think he was looking for someone that he knew, that was there. And to try to sort it out.

Right? And I let him do most of the talking. I didn't pressure him.

At all. I believed that he was having -- you know, he was struggling. And he needed to just talk. And I believed my purpose was to listen.

Right? I know other reporters would have handled it differently. And that's okay. That's not the kind of reporter that I am.

And I myself was having my own like, why didn't I die?

Right?

Because it went right over my head.

And -- and so I -- he had the conversation about God.

He's funny. I thought it was the biggest mosquito in the world that hit me.

But he had talked profoundly about purpose. You know, and God.

And how God was in that moment.

It --

GLENN: I love the way you -- in the book, I love the way you said that as he's kind of working it out in his own he head.

He was like, you know, I -- I -- I always knew that there was some sort of, you know -- that God was present.

He said, but now that this has happened.

I look back at all of the trials.

All of the tribulations. Literally, the trials.

All of the things that have happened. And he's like, I realized God was there the whole time.

SALENA: Yes. He does. And it's fascinating to have been that witness to history, to have those conversations with him. Because I'm telling you. And y'all know, I can talk. I didn't say much of anything.

I just -- I just listened. I felt that was my purpose, in that moment.

To give him that space, to work it out.

I'm someone that is, you know, believes in God.

I'm Catholic. I followed my faith.

And -- and so, I thought, well, this is why God put me here. Right?

And to -- to have that -- to hear him talk about purpose, to hear him say, Salena. Why did I put a chart down?

I'm like, sir. I don't know. I thought you were Ross Perot for a second.

He never has a chart. And he laughed. And then he said, why did I put that chart down?

By that term, I never turned my head away from people at the rally. That's true.

That relationship is very transactional. It's very -- they feed off of each other.

It's a very emotive moment when you attend a rally. Because he has a way of talking at a rally. That you believe that you are seeing.

And he said, and I never turn my head away.

I never turn my head away.

Why did I turn my head away?

I don't remember consciously thinking about turning my head away. And then he says to me, that was God, wasn't it?

Yes, sir. It was. It was God.

And he said, that's -- that's why I have a new purpose.

And so, Glenn. I think it's important, when you look at the breadth of what has happened, since he was sworn in.

You see that purpose, every day.

He doesn't let up.

He continues going.

And it brings back to the beginning of the book.

Where you find out, that there was another president that was shot at in Butler.

And that was George Washington. And how different the country would have been, had he died in that moment.

And now think about how different the country would be, had President Trump died in that moment. There would be --

GLENN: We're talking to -- we're talking to Salena Zito. About her new book called Butler. The assassination attempt on President Trump. And it is riveting.

And, you know, it is so good. I wish the press would read it. Because it really explains who we are, who Trump supporters are. Who are, you know, red staters. It is so good at that. She's the best at that.