Is the Republican Party’s “unity” collapsing? The legacy media insists that Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and Rep. Chip Roy are tearing each other apart over the continuing resolution spending bill. But Glenn and fellow BlazeTV host ‪@lizwheeler‬ argue that this isn’t the truth: “How lucky are we that 2 months ago, we were debating ‘good vs evil.’ And now, we’re debating ‘good vs better.’ It also shows you that the DOGE process is working.” Glenn and Liz break down what’s happening with the spending bill debate and why Republicans are disagreeing over the debt ceiling.

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GLENN: I want to talk about the collapse of the unity. Can you give this story, to me, Liz, without -- with just the details of everybody's arguing and hating on each other.

LIZ: Yes. It is, of course.

If you listen to the mainstream media. It's a circling firing squad. Between Chip Roy. Donald Trump, and Elon Musk.

I don't view it that way at all.

I actually like to see this kind of contention within the Republican ranks. Because how lucky are we, that two months ago, we were debating good versus evil.

And now we're debating good versus better. This is a wonderful thing.

It also shows you, that the DOGE process is -- is working.

Elon Musk said, listen. Go ahead.

STU: Okay. So before we get there, explain.

Because I was on a plane yesterday. So I must see the bill, that was presented.

And I get off the plane, and everybody is hating on each other. Like, wait a minute. Wait a minute.

What just happened. Mike Johnson proposed his bill on Wednesday. And that went to hell in a handbasket.

Thank God we got rid of that!

That would have been a nightmare. Then they proposed a second bill.

And it increased the debt ceiling. Which has to be done by June or July of this year.

Increased it by $5 trillion. And all of the conservatives. And, quite frankly, conservatives like me.

And I think you, that have been for stop raising the at the time ceiling. Let's get out of debt.

We started having this debate about the debt. The debt ceiling has got to be -- has got to go up, unfortunately, in -- at this time.

Well, let me finish the -- what actually happened first, before we get into that.

So people like Chip Roy stood up and Donald Trump had endorsed this. They say it was a clear CR. But if I'm not mistaken, wasn't there some other stuff in there? Like protection for the January 6ers?

Was that left in, or was that taken out?

Do you know, Jill? Liz. Sorry.

LIZ: It was mostly clean. The objectionable parts you raised your voice against last couple of days, the reauthorization of the global engagement center, the vaccine passports. That kind of garbage was taken out.

It did increase the debt ceiling. Technically, I think it was the extension of the already increases -- automatic increases.

And I understand in principle. Most of us don't want to increase the debt ceiling.

However, however, it became an argument last night, about that specifically.

Which distracts from what I think is the bigger pictures.

The bigger picture being for a long time in Washington, DC, and Congress. The people who have said they were fiscally conservative. Haven't been effective in making that happen or making cuts.

What Donald Trump did, is he hired what he considered to be the most brilliant man in our country to say, retool this process and do it better.

Elon Musk came in. With DOGE. And said, what we're going to do is be transparent with you.

We will tell you exactly what your tax money is being spent on.

Then we will leave it to you, to lobby your congressional members to cut that.

And, Glenn, that's exactly what happened this time.

We looked at that 1500-page bill that Speaker Johnson had put forward.

We identified five or six things in that bill. Said no. And effectively, we were victorious.
We got that bill killed. Which is, I think very exciting.

GLENN: Right.

LIZ: And then we had this clean version. And then that's when --

GLENN: Yeah. That's -- because -- because there are -- and I am one of them.

They have been so tired of, oh. We're going to raise the debt.

But then we're going to cut. I don't believe anybody in Washington.

However, I do believe Donald Trump. I do believe Elon Musk. I do believe Vivek Ramaswamy.

I do believe just for survival reasons alone, Donald Trump has got to take a hatchet to the size of this government.

Okay?

So let's just look at it from I will be killed. Or I will be thwarted, by this giant government.

And I've got to reduce the size, so it doesn't have octopus arms everywhere, trying to choke me out.

So I believe that he wants to cut the size of government, and I believe he has a plan to do it.

I believe that Elon Musk is a guy. I mean, Donald Trump got famous for saying, you're fired.

Elon Musk is famous for actually firing people.

And cutting all of the nonessential.

So those two together. Have reasons.

One is, hey. This just needs to run like a sound operation.

And the other one is that, plus, oh, and it's trying to kill me.

So I believe they're incentivized unlike anyone else in my lifetime, to cut the size of the government.

Donald Trump, to me, and I love Chip Roy.

I love him. I hope he replaces John Cornyn. I love him.

However, at this point, I believe Donald Trump should be given the benefit of the doubt, for this reason.

He's got to do. If he wants to fix America, and make it truly great. He can't do what the Democrats have done.

And that is just, start spending money like arise. And pushing money out the door. He's got to return the money to you.

So he has to have these tax cuts. And he has to have them right now.

When he walks through the door, he has to have them.

So you're going to have this period, where you're flipping the entire company of the United States the government, upside down.

You're in a transition period. And so we're going to need to spend more, as we cut more.

But you can't -- you cannot shut off the debt. We're a trillion dollars. Every 100 -- I'm sorry. Not a trillion.

Yeah. A trillion dollars, every 100 days.

A trillion, every 100 days!

We're a trillion dollars a year, just in interest now.

You can't -- 5 trillion is not a lot, when you're playing with these numbers.

It's obscene to even say that!

We have to cut trillions out.

But Donald Trump to be able to pull this off, he has got to make people's lives better, quickly.

And the two ways to do it, is to first return money to the people, ask. Then to make it actually last, cut all of the regulation. And all of the size of the government.

That one, we don't want to be fighting two battles. We want to fight one battle.

And in my opinion, Donald Trump has shown me, he's willing to take a bullet for the Constitution and the United States and for us.

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, coupled with Elon Musk, because I believe their intentions are aligned with my intentions and desires.

Does that make sense?

LIZ: Yeah. I think that's right. Like I said, it's a funny situation. Because they're both right. Chip Roy is correct in principle that we should cut spending. And Donald Trump and Elon Musk are correct in practice.

GLENN: It's timing. It's just time.

LIZ: It is timing. They actually are both going to achieve -- or they hope to achieve the same thing.

I concur with your analysis. I have hope that Donald Trump is -- I mean, he's a changed man.
We've all seen this, since he took a bullet to the ear.

He's viewing his own world differently. He's viewing his duty to us, differently.

He's viewing his stewardship of our country, differently. He is doing something groundbreaking.

He is upending, disrupting the process this Congress, that has been business as usual.

And it can be messy. And maybe not everyone in Congress, even if they're principally correct, has quite grasped. Oh, this is the new way, we will do things.

I think Donald Trump has this right.

STU: Yeah. I do too. And I think the Republicans -- the fiscally responsible Republicans.

And it could turn out, you're right and I'm wrong.

But I really, truly believe disruption is where we're going.

And this -- this did disrupt.

And if we don't all stand together, they will disrupt us.

And I am not one to believe that the spending is going to magically go down.

I don't believe that. But if you were a family, and you were a business, and you were running debt, and you just didn't want -- you didn't know what to do. How do I stop the hemorrhaging?

Who in the world would be the best adviser that you could get?

Who in the world could you say, I need somebody to look at all these finances. Figure out what's what.

And how to cut. And how to make my business stronger.

I can't imagine anyone better than Elon Musk. So let's listen to Elon and Donald Trump. And, by the way, if anybody thinks Elon is taking over. Did you read how the tweets are coming out?

He went to Donald Trump. Trump and the vice president were working together, on a statement.

And Elon came in and said, hey. I want to release this.

Is it okay if I release this?

And Donald Trump read it, and said, yeah. Go for it.

That's where we are. Go for it.

So Elon is not leading the president.

Believe me, the president has a plan.

Let's give him all the opportunities we can, to let him execute it.

Because we've all come up with other plans. And none of them have worked.

This one has as many of the best minds in the world on it.

Let's let them do their job.