BLOGJune 21, 2017

The Twisted Logic the Federal Reserve Wants You to Believe

The stock market is at record highs, the unemployment rate is low, home prices are growing and wages are down. Collectively, what does it all mean?

Danielle DiMartino Booth, former insider at the Federal Resserve and author of Fed Up: An Insider's Take on Why the Federal Reserve is Bad for America, joined Glenn in studio to explain why the Federal Reserve is worried and what it means for the average Joe.

"The last time the unemployment rate was where it was, wages were growing at about four percent. Today, with the same unemployment rate, wages are running at two and a half percent. Yawn. We wonder why there's a shadow economy. We wonder why people are driving Uber at night. There's a reason. Their wages aren't growing. Their paycheck has barely moved and not kept up with inflation," DiMartino Booth said.

In a recent speech, Bill Dudley --- second in command at the Federal Reserve --- expressed concern about the unemployment rate crashing, causing run away wage inflation.

"The average working Joe wants their paycheck to go up. There's nothing intuitive about the reasoning right now at the Fed, nothing," DiMartino Booth said.

Enjoy the complimentary clip, listen to the full segments or read the transcript for details.

GLENN: Hello, America. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

You have so much to worry about, trying to hang on to your job, trying to educate your kids, just trying to make it through -- I don't know about you, but there are days that I just go -- I get up in the morning. I'm just like, my goal for today is just to make it back here to go back to bed. Maybe that's just me.

But life is tough. We want to arm you with information so you can prepare yourself for what's coming, both good and bad. A lot of great things happening in the world of technology. A lot of great things on the horizon.

But there's also some really big bumps in the road, as well. We are thrilled to have back with us Danielle DiMartino Booth. She's the author of Fed Up. She's a woman who worked on Wall Street and then said, "This is sickening." Got out, started to expose it for the Dallas Morning News.

The Fed here in Dallas, run by Richard Fisher, or was run by Richard Fisher at the time, he was I think brilliant and one of the really good guys in the Fed. And he saw her work and said, "Hey, she should come to work for her." She was working for the Fed, kind of in a lower position. She was ringing the bell about 2008 and the collapse. Most people made fun of her for that. The collapse happened, and Richard Fisher said, "You need to be my right-hand man for information and what is coming." So that's what she did. He left the Fed. She left the Fed. She is now ringing the bell on what's next. What's coming. Another 2008? She'll describe what she's saying in the last few weeks and last couple of months since we saw her last. We begin there, right now.

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GLENN: Welcome to the program, Danielle --

DANIELLE: Let's get your circulation going.

GLENN: Yes. Welcome to the program, Danielle DiMartino Booth. How are you?

DANIELLE: I'm doing great. How are you doing?

GLENN: Very good.

A lot has happened since we last talked. The world is in a crazy place that we are just --

DANIELLE: Uh-huh.

GLENN: -- we are literally, last week, dodging bullets that could change the world.

DANIELLE: Oh, yeah.

GLENN: We have Syria and Russia this week, with a downed Syrian jet that we took down. And Russia said, "Oh, yeah, by the way, we're canceling our hotline. And if you cross the Euphrates, we'll shoot you down." So we have that on the horizon.

We have North Korea, with now three aircraft carriers, and they just dumped basically this poor kid out of Cincinnati -- they just dumped a practically dead body on our doorstep.

DANIELLE: Well, he is now.

GLENN: Yeah. Like -- you know, almost like a Don Corleone move, just saying, "Hey, here's -- here's your trash."

DANIELLE: The aftermath of years of doing nothing.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

And then last week, a shooting that could have changed the world. I don't know if you heard last hour. But I presented a scenario --

DANIELLE: Yeah.

GLENN: Any thoughts on that scenario? How crazy did that scenario sound to you?

DANIELLE: It didn't sound so crazy. I mean, there is something called the Plunge Protection Team, and it's dragged out in times of extreme market duress.

GLENN: Was that -- was that around, or was one of the first times we did in the '30s? because I know we the Rockefellers of the world, the Astors of the world kind of stepped to the plate and said, "I'm going to dump money in, and you're going to do it too."

DANIELLE: Right.

Well, bear in mind, before 1913, with the establishment of the Federal Reserve, when there were economic calamities, somebody like JPMorgan would bring people together in his parlor room and say, "Okay. Guys, we got to write some checks here. We got to save the world."

GLENN: Right. Right. Right.

DANIELLE: It was his realization that he was mortal, that brought about the Fed, after the Panic of 1907, really.

But even if you go to modern history, you know, Hank Paulson, others, they brought the biggest banks into a room and they said, "We've got trouble. You're all going to have to pony up." And a lot of the banks were saying, "No."

GLENN: I know.

DANIELLE: And Uncle Sam looks down and says, "No is not an option."

GLENN: You know what's really crazy is I have a friend who was in that room that night, that Sunday night, and he and his bank said, "No, we're not doing it."

DANIELLE: Don't need the money.

GLENN: Right. We don't need the money. We're not doing it.

And the banks get blamed. And I think the banks deserve a lot of blame. But the banks get blamed for this, when it really was the United States government, the Treasury, that said, "No, you are taking it."

DANIELLE: Right.

GLENN: In fact, the exact quote from Paulson is, "No one is leaving this room until you sign."

DANIELLE: Yeah. Until you brandish your scarlet letter. Put it on. Take the blame.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

Okay. So you said a few weeks ago, when you were here, that the one thing you were looking for -- I asked you for signs of the economy.

What do we look for as a sign that things are not going well?

DANIELLE: Uh-huh.

GLENN: If you pay attention at all to the Fed, as I do -- and I think this -- I'm a little more than the average person, to where I'll actually just read what Yellen has done, but I'm not going to read deeply.

DANIELLE: Uh-huh.

GLENN: The story that I heard last week was -- or, was it this week? Things are going so well.

DANIELLE: Oh, things are great.

GLENN: Right. The economy is so well.

DANIELLE: Smoking hot.

GLENN: Right. That they have to raise the interest rate again.

DANIELLE: I'm sorry. Who is in the White House? Oh, wait. But you digress.

GLENN: I'm just trying to figure out, what has changed to make things so great that we're raising interest rates?

DANIELLE: Well, things have gotten worse. So we should tighten so that we don't have to tighten -- wait. There's no logic there.

GLENN: Right.

DANIELLE: The head of the New York Fed gave a speech a few days ago, Bill Dudley. Bear in mind, this is the vice chairman of the Federal Open Market Committee that sets interest rates. If Janet Yellen -- if something happens to her and she's got the flu and she can't make the FOMC meeting, he's the guy in charge. People do not realize that the guy in charge of the New York Fed is really the number two in command at the Fed.

GLENN: Okay.

DANIELLE: He made a speech saying that the economy is doing so well that we're afraid the unemployment rate is going to crash. His words. Crash.

And, therefore, we're going to have to get out in front of this and tighten more so we don't have to tighten so much more down the road that we put the economy into recession.

GLENN: Wait. Wait.

DANIELLE: Exactly. Exactly.

GLENN: A, why would we be afraid of the -- of the unemployment rate crashing?

DANIELLE: Crashing?

GLENN: That would be, oh, my gosh, panic. We have a 0 percent unemployment rate. That doesn't make sense.

DANIELLE: Right. So the last time the unemployment rate was where it was, wages were growing at about 4 percent. Today, with the same unemployment rate, wages are running at two and a half percent. Yawn. We wonder why there's a shadow economy. We wonder why people are driving Uber at night. There's a reason. Their wages aren't growing. Their paycheck has barely moved and not kept up with inflation.

And Bill Dudley is worried that the unemployment rate is going to crash and make wage inflation run away. Sorry.

The average working Joe wants their paycheck to go up. It's -- there's nothing intuitive about the reasoning right now at the Fed. Nothing.

GLENN: Wage inflation. See, this is their problem. They're trying to convince the American people that there is no inflation. And on some things --

DANIELLE: Well, there's very little wage inflation. That doesn't take very much convincing.

GLENN: Correct. And on some things, there isn't inflation. But on -- on other things, there is gigantic inflation.

DANIELLE: Look at home prices.

GLENN: Yes.

DANIELLE: Today we had a report that came out that showed that home prices are growing at 5.8 percent. They're at record high prices right now. No wonder the average working Joe can't afford to buy a house, and it's finally begun to push back.

Look at college tuition. I buy a gallon of milk every day to feed my four gigantic growing children. I can tell you that gallon of milk keeps getting more expensive.

JEFFY: It sure does.

GLENN: It does. It does.

DANIELLE: It does.

These are not figments of our collective imagination. My retired mother tells me about what her copay is and what her -- what her drugs cost at the pharmacy. These are real things.

GLENN: Okay. So you said one of the things to look for -- so wait. Wait. Before we get on to that. What does this -- why are they raising the rate then?

DANIELLE: Well, the gallows humor is that they want it to make sure that they kept Trump in place. So if you slam the economy into a recession by tightening financial conditions, thus forcing a recession, then you've got Trump's attention and he doesn't put independent people, independent thinkers, dissenters in at the Fed who ruffle the doves' feathers.

GLENN: So this is --

DANIELLE: Give me two seconds.

GLENN: Yeah.

DANIELLE: Last Wednesday with the day the Federal Reserve raised interest rates, there was a story strategically placed on the front page of the Wall Street Journal that said Gary Cohn is looking for replacements for the Fed.

And, by the way, before you even had to open the page to get to the rest of the story, Janet Yellen's name was thrown out there as being a potential contender.

Do you think the administration has folded to the pressure? Because something has to make the Fed back off tightening interest rates.

GLENN: The rumor is -- and I don't know if this is true or not, but this is what happened to Ronald Reagan. That Ronald Reagan -- Volcker got in. And Ronald Reagan said, "Oh, you don't like the Fed? Oh, okay."

DANIELLE: Try me.

GLENN: And that's when interest rates went through the roof.

DANIELLE: And he had a recession 18 months into office.

GLENN: Correct. Correct.

DANIELLE: Trust me, somebody has read Trump this playbook.

GLENN: Yes, you did.

DANIELLE: I'm sure he read it himself.

GLENN: So what should the president do?

DANIELLE: I would like for him to stand firm. I wrote a whole book about it. We need independent thinkers. We need people at the Fed who are on the receiving end of their own policies, not bureaucrats who have been their entire lives in academics who don't understand the implications of the decisions they make. They don't understand what they've done to a generation of Baby Boomers trying to save for retirement.

GLENN: Who is around the president that can tell him this?

DANIELLE: Steve Cohen and Steve Mnuchin.

GLENN: And do you think he's stopped listening to them now?

DANIELLE: No, I don't.

GLENN: Good.

DANIELLE: In that same Wall Street Journal story, Steve Cohen was quoted as saying, basically, I have faith in the Fed. The Fed knows what it's doing. They need to be left alone.

I mean, these are the things that just stand up the hair on the back of my head. They really do.

GLENN: So what should we watch for or be wanting the president to do? What would be a sign that he's pushing back on them?

DANIELLE: If he comes out with a nominee to replace one of the three current open vacancies that does not comply with what the media has been suggesting those individuals should be.

GLENN: And when will -- when will he make those decisions?

DANIELLE: He's going to have to make them pretty soon. The fact that he's been in office, for what? 150 days or so.

GLENN: Yeah.

DANIELLE: And has not taken the opportunity to name a single individual to put up to the Senate is questionable.

GLENN: How will they fare in the Senate?

DANIELLE: Last I checked, the Republicans still have --

GLENN: Yeah, but I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means anymore.

DANIELLE: Well -- okay. So it's undefined.

GLENN: Yeah.

DANIELLE: But I think that given especially the representatives from Texas --

GLENN: Yeah.

DANIELLE: -- Hensarling, Brady, they've been pushing for reform at the Fed. I think they thought that we would have seen some independence reintroduced at the Fed by now. I dare say in private, they're probably a little frustrated that they haven't. Because there are leaders inside the Senate -- there are people on the Hill who will push through truly independent nominees.

GLENN: Okay. Now let's go to the next thing that you said we should watch for. And that is automobiles.

DANIELLE: Five months of weakness in a row.

GLENN: What does that mean to you? What should that tell the average person?

DANIELLE: Yesterday, a report came out. We know that automobile defaults, delinquencies are rising. We know that payments are beginning to cripple households. We know that especially in places where people are commuting, they have to have their car to get to work. It's the last thing they want to stop making a payment on. And the repoman can swoop in really quickly and just hit a kill switch. And you're not turning your car on anymore. And he's going to come and repossess it.

But we've seen reports come out in the last few weeks that show that the 2015 vintage of car loans made is going to be -- subprime car loans made in 2015 will reset, become the worst performing ones on record.

GLENN: Holy cow.

DANIELLE: We know that. And yesterday, Experian came out with a report that showed that credit card delinquencies have started to tick up as well. So you're seeing a trickle down in terms of household stresses rising.

GLENN: And anything on the horizon in the next few that you are looking at and say, "This could be the real big tripwire?"

DANIELLE: The Cheesecake Factory came out last week with a report that said things are really worse than we were anticipating --

GLENN: Right.

DANIELLE: -- they would be.

If restaurants, which employ 10.6 million Americans, if the restaurant industry begins to follow brick and mortar retail into the abyss, we are in the soup. They employ lots of people. A lot of these big restaurant chains, their footprints are too big. And they're going to have to start following the JCPenney's, the Macy's of the world, down the path of downsizing. This is not good news for people's whose skills are not transferable.

STU: That's why I'm going to the Cheesecake Factory today to support the cause.

JEFFY: Me too.

GLENN: I was thinking about that myself.

DANIELLE: I could go for some turtle cheesecake. Bring it.

GLENN: Me too.

The name of the book -- Danielle DiMartino Booth. The name of the book is Fed Up: An Insider's Take On Why the Federal Reserve is Bad For America.

A lot of people have been saying, you know, we want to disband the Federal Reserve. We want to have checks and balances on the Federal Reserve. Great. Read her book to actually educate yourself on what the Federal Reserve is, what they do, how it works, where they have gone wrong. Fed Up. Thank you so much. Appreciate it.

GLENN: We have Danielle DiMartino on with us for a few more minutes. Because I -- we started talking during the break about Illinois.

Illinois is in financial meltdown, and I want you to listen to this line: We talked about this earlier. Top financial official just warned 100 percent of the state's monthly revenue will be eaten up by court-ordered payments.

Now, what that is, is when we were at Fox, remember I used Illinois and said, these pensions, these unions, it's a sham. And when the chicken comes home to roost, there's no money left.

It's now happening in Illinois.

DANIELLE: Right.

GLENN: And you said that there is a --

DANIELLE: There's an op-ed out today, look it up, that said we should potentially jettison Illinois. It's as bad as Venezuela. Let's get rid of it. Let's break the state up into many little pieces and have the neighboring states absorb it because they can -- this is year three with no budget. Moody's came out last week. And they were downgraded to one notch above junk. A junk bond state. Illinois is the fifth largest economy in this country, and it is in a state of shambles because the chickens, as you say, have come home to roost.

GLENN: How many states are approaching this --

DANIELLE: Well, I mean, you can talk about New Jersey. You can talk about Rhode Island. I mean, it's a really small state with a really bad problem.

GLENN: So what do you think the geniuses are going to do?

DANIELLE: As in?

GLENN: You know, what will the geniuses come up with to get us out of this?

DANIELLE: It remains to be seen. These are issues that are popping up with the stock market at record highs. Think about that.

GLENN: Holy cow. Holy cow.

Danielle, we appreciate your look at things. We would love to have you back. The name of the book is Fed Up: The Insider's Take on Why the Federal Reserve is Bad for America.

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Bill O'Reilly predicts THIS will be Charlie Kirk's legacy

Bill O’Reilly joins Glenn Beck with a powerful prediction about Charlie Kirk’s legacy. Evil tried to destroy his movement, Bill says, but – as his new book, “Confronting Evil,” lays out – evil will just end up destroying itself once more…

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GLENN: Mr. Bill O'Reilly, welcome to the program, how are you, sir?

BILL: Good, Beck, thanks for having me back. I appreciate it. How have you been?

GLENN: Last week was really tough. I know it was tough for you and everybody else.

But, you know -- I haven't -- I haven't seen anything.

BILL: Family okay? All of that?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Family is okay. Family is okay.

BILL: Good question good. That's the most important thing.

GLENN: It is.

So, Bill, what do you make of this whole Charlie Kirk thing. What happened, and where are we headed?

BILL: So my analysis is different for everybody else, and those that know me for so long. About a year ago, I was looking for a topic -- it was a contract to do another book. And I said, you know what's happening in America, and around the world. Was a rise in evil. It takes a year to research and write these books.

And not since the 1930s, had I seen that happen, to this extent. And in the 1930s, of course, you would have Tojo and Hitler and Mussolini and Franco and all these guys. And it led to 100 million dead in World War II. The same thing, not to the extent.

But the same thing was --
GLENN: Yet.
BILL: -- bubbling in the world, and in the United States.

I decided to write a book. The book comes out last Tuesday. And on Wednesday, Putin lobs missiles into Poland.

Ultra dangerous.

And a few hours later, Charlie Kirk is assassinated.

And one of the interviewers said to me last week, your -- your book is haunting. Is haunting.

And I think that's extremely accurate. Because that's what evil does.

And in the United States, we have so many distractions. The social media.

People create around their own lives.

Sports. Whatever it may be. That we look away.

Now, Charlie Kirk was an interesting fellow. Because at a very young age, he was mature enough to understand that he wanted to take a stand in favor of traditional America and Judeo Christian philosophy.

He decided that he wanted to do that.

You know, and when I was 31 or whatever, I was lucky I wasn't in the penitentiary. And I believe you were in the penitentiary.
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So he was light years ahead of us.

GLENN: Yes, he was.

BILL: And he put it into motion. All right? Now, most good people, even if you disagree with what Mr. Kirk says on occasion, you admire that. That's the spirit of America. That you have a belief system, that you go out and try to promote that belief system, for the greater good of the country. That's what it is.

That's what Charlie Kirk did.

And he lost his life.

By doing it!

So when you essentially break all of this down. You take the emotion away, all right?

Which I have to do, in my job. You see it as another victory for evil.

But it really isn't.

And this is the ongoing story.

This is the most important story. So when you read my book, Confronting Evil, you'll see that all of these heinous individuals, Putin's on the cover. Mao. Hitler.

Ayatollah Khomeini. And then there are 14 others inside the book. They all destroy themselves.

Evil always destroys itself. But it takes so many people with it. So this shooter destroyed his own family.

And -- and Donald Trump, I talked to him about it last week in Yankee stadium. And Trump is a much different guy than most people think.

GLENN: He is.

JASON: He destroyed his own mother and father and his two brothers.

That's what he did. In addition to the Kirk family!

So evil spreads. Now, if Americans pay attention and come to the conclusion that I just stated, it will be much more difficult for evil to operate openly.

And that's what I think is going to happen.

There's going to be a ferocious backlash against the progressive left in particular.

To stop it, and I believe that is what Mr. Kirk's legacy is going to be.

GLENN: I -- I agree with you on all of these fronts.

I wonder though, you know, it took three, or if you count JFK, four assassinations in the '60s, to confront the evil if you will.

Before people really woke up and said, enough is enough!

And then you have the big Jesus revolution after that.

Is -- I hate to say this. But is -- as far gone as we are, is one assassination enough to wake people up?

JOHN: Some people. Some people will never wake up.

They just don't want to live in the real world, Beck. And it's never been easier to do that with the social media and the phones and the computers.

And you're never going to get them back.

But you don't need them. So let's just be very realistic here on the Glenn Beck show.

Let's run it down.

The corporate media is finished.

In America. It's over.

And you will see that play out the next five years.

Because the corporate media invested so much of its credibility into hating Donald Trump.

And the hate is the key word.

You will find this interesting, Beck. For the first time in ten years, I've been invited to do a major thing on CBS, today.

I will do it GE today. With major Garrett.

GLENN: Wow.

BILL: Now, that only happened because Skydance bought CBS. And Skydance understands the brand CBS is over, and they will have to rehabilitate the whole thing. NBC has not come to that conclusion yet, but it will have to.

And ABC just does the weather. I mean, that's all they care about. Is it snowing in Montana? Okay? The cables are all finished. Even Fox.

Once Trump leaves the stage, there's nowhere for FNC to go. Because they've invested so much in Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

So the fact of the matter is, the corporate media is over in America. That takes a huge cudgel out of the hands of the progressive movement.

Because the progressive movement was dependent on the corporate media to advance its cause. That's going to end, Beck.

GLENN: Well, I would hope that you're right.

Let me ask you about --

BILL: When am I wrong?

When am I wrong?

You've known me for 55 years. When have I been wrong?

GLENN: Okay. All right. All right. We're not here to argue things like that.

So tell me about Skydance. Because isn't Skydance Chinese?

BILL: No! It's Ellison. Larry Ellison, the second richest guy in the world. He owns Lanai and Hawaii, the big tech guy and his son is running it.

GLENN: Yeah, okay.

I though Skydance. I thought that was -- you know them.

BILL: Yeah.

And they -- they're not ideological, but they were as appalled as most of us who pay attention at the deterioration of the network presentations.

So --

GLENN: You think that they could.

BILL: 60 Minutes used to be the gold standard.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

BILL: And it just -- it -- you know, you know, I don't know if you watch it anymore.

GLENN: I don't either.

So do you think they can actually turn CBS around, or is it just over?

BILL: I don't know. It's very hard to predict, because so many people now bail. I've got a daughter 26, and a son, 22.

They never, ever watched network television.

And you've got -- it's true. Right?

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

They don't watch --

BILL: They're not going to watch The Voice. The dancing with this. The juggling with that. You know, I think they could do a much better job in their news presentations.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

BILL: Because what they did, is banish people like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly.

Same voices, with huge followings.

Huge!

All right?

We couldn't get on there.

That's why Colbert got fired. Because Colbert wouldn't -- refused to put on any non-progressive voice, when they were talking about the country.

GLENN: I know.

BILL: Well, it's not -- I'm censoring it.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's not that he was fired because he wouldn't do that. He was fired because that led to horrible ratings. Horrible ratings.

BILL: Yes, it was his defiance.

GLENN: Yes.

BILL: Fallon has terrible ratings and so does Kimmel. But Colbert was in your face, F you, to the people who were signing his paycheck.

GLENN: Yes. Yes.

BILL: Look, evil can only exist if the mechanisms of power are behind it.

And that's when you read the front -- I take them one by one. And Putin is the most important chapter by far.

GLENN: Why?

BILL: Because Putin would use nuclear weapon.

He wouldn't. He's a psychopath.

And I'm -- on Thursday night, I got a call from the president's people saying, would I meet the president at Yankee stadium for the 9/11 game?

And I said, when a president calls and asks you to meet them, sure.

GLENN: I'll be there. What time?

BILL: It will take me three days to get into Yankee stadium, on Long Island. But I'll start now.

GLENN: Especially because the president is coming. But go ahead.

BILL: Anyway, that was a very, I think that Mr. Trump values my opinion. And it was -- we did talk about Putin.

And the change in Putin. And I had warned him, that Putin had changed from the first administration, where Trump controlled Putin to some extent.

Now he's out of control. Because that's what always happens.

GLENN: Yeah.

BILL: It happened with Hitler. It happened with Mao. It happened with the ayatollah. It happened with Stalin. Right now. They get worse and worse and worse and worse. And then they blow up.

And that's where Putin is! But he couldn't do any of that, without the assent of the Russian people. They are allowing him to do this, to kill women and children. A million Russian casualties for what! For what! Okay?

So that's why this book is just in the stratosphere. And I was thinking object, oh. Because people want to understand evil, finally. Finally.

They're taking a hard look at it, and the Charlie Kirk assassination was an impetus to do that.

GLENN: Yeah. And I think it's also an impetus to look at the good side.

I mean, I think Charlie was just not a neutral -- a neutral character. He was a force for good. And for God.

And I think that -- that combination is almost the Martin Luther King combination. Where you have a guy who is speaking up for civil rights.

But then also, speaking up for God. And speaking truth, Scripturally.

And I think that combination still, strangely, I wouldn't have predicted it. But strangely still works here in America, and I think it's changed everything.

Bill, it's always food to talk to you. Thank you so much for being on. I appreciate it.

It's Bill O'Reilly. The name of the book, you don't want to miss. Is confronting evil. And he takes all of these really, really bad guys on. One by one. And shows you, what happens if you don't do something about it. Confronting evil. Bill O'Reilly.

And you can find it at BillO'Reilly.com.

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Should people CELEBRATING Charlie Kirk’s death be fired?

There’s a big difference between firing someone, like a teacher, for believing children shouldn’t undergo trans surgery and firing a teacher who celebrated the murder of Charlie Kirk. Glenn Beck explains why the latter is NOT “cancel culture.”

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GLENN: I got an email from somebody that says, Glenn, in the wake of Charlie's assassination, dozens of teachers, professors and professionals are being suspended or fired for mocking, or even celebrating Charlie Kirk's death.

Critics say conservatives are now being hypocritical because you oppose cancel culture. But is this the same as rose an losing her job over a crude joke. Or is it celebrating murder, and that's something more serious?

For many, this isn't about cancellation it's about trust. If a teacher is entrusted with children or a doctor entrusted with patients, publicly celebrates political violence, have they not yet disqualified themselves from those roles? Words matter. But cheering a death is an action. Is there any consequence for this? Yes. There is.

So let's have that conversation here for a second.

Is every -- is every speech controversy the same?

The answer to that is clearly no.

I mean, we've seen teachers and pastors and doctors and ordinary citizens lose their job now, just for saying they don't believe children under 18 should undergo transgender surgeries. Okay? Lost their job. Chased out.

That opinion, whether you agree or disagree is a moral and medical judgment.

And it is a matter of policy debate. It is speech in the public square.

I have a right to say, you're mutilating children. Okay. You have a right to say, no. We're not. This is the best practices. And then we can get into the silences of it. And we don't shout down the other side.

Okay? Now, on the other hand, you have Charlie Kirk's assassination. And we've seen teachers and professors go online and be celebrate.

Not criticize. Not argue policy. But celebrate that someone was murdered.

Some have gone so far and said, it's not a tragedy. It's a victory. Somebody else, another professor said, you reap what you sow.

Well, let me ask you: Are these two categories of free speech the same?

No! They're not.

Here's the difference. To say, I believe children should not be allowed to have gender surgeries, before 18. That is an attempt, right or wrong. It doesn't matter which side you are.

That is an attempt to protect life. Protect children. And guide society.

It's entering the debate about the role of medicine. The right of parents. And the boundaries of childhood. That's what that is about. To say Charlie Kirk's assassination is a good thing, that's not a debate. That's not even an idea. That's rejoicing in violence. It's glorifying death.

There's no place in a civil society for that kind of stuff. There's not. And it's a difference that actually matters.

You know, our Founders fought for free speech because they believed as Jefferson said, that air can be tolerated where truth is left free to combat it.

So I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, at all. I don't think you do either. I hope you don't. Otherwise, you should go back to read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Error can be tolerated where truth is left to be free to combat it.

But when speech shifts from debating ideas to celebrating death, doesn't that cease to be the pursuit of truth and instead, just become a glorification of evil?

I know where I stand on that one. Where do you stand?

I mean, if you go back and you look at history, in colonial matter -- in colonial America, if you were to go against the parliament and against the king, those words were dangerous. They were called treason. But they were whys. They were arguments about liberty and taxation and the rights of man.

And the Founders risked their lives against the dictator to say those things.

Now, compare that to France in 1793.

You Thomas Paine, one of or -- one of our founder kind of. On the edges of our founders.

He thought that what was happening in France is exactly like the American Revolution.

Washington -- no. It wasn't.

There the crowds. They didn't gather to argue. Okay? They argued to cheer the guillotine they didn't want the battle of ideas.

They wanted blood. They wanted heads to roll.

And roll they did. You know, until the people who were screaming for the heads to roll, shouted for blood, found that their own heads were rolling.

Then they turned around on that one pretty quickly.

Think of Rome.

Cicero begged his countrymen to preserve the republic through reason, law, and debate. Then what happened?

The mob started cheering assassinations.

They rejoiced that enemies were slaughtered.

They were being fed to the lions.

And the republic fell into empire.

And liberty was lost!

Okay. So now let me bring this back to Charlie Kirk here for a second.

If there's a professor that says, I don't believe children should have surgeries before adulthood, is that cancel culture, when they're fired?

Yes! Yes, it is.

Because that is speech this pursuit of truth.

However imperfect, it is speech meant to protect children, not to harm them. You also cannot be fired for saying, I disagree with that.

If you are telling, I disagree with that. And I will do anything to shut you down including assassination! Well, then, that's a different story.

What I teacher says, I'm glad Charlie Kirk is dead, is that cancel culture, if they're fired?

Or is that just society saying, you know, I don't think I can trust my kid to -- to that guy.

Or that woman.

I know, that's not an enlightening mind.

Somebody who delights in political murder.

I don't want them around my children! Scripture weighs in here too.

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh. Matthew.

What does it reveal about the heart of a teacher who celebrates assassination?

To me, you go back to Scripture. Whoa unto them that call good evil -- evil good and good evil.

A society that will shrug on speech like this, say society that has lost its moral compass.

And I believe we still have a moral compass.

Now, our free speech law doesn't protect both. Absolutely. Under law. Absolutely.

Neither one of them should go to jail.

Neither should be silenced by the state.

But does trust survive both?

Can a parent trust their child to a teacher who is celebrating death?

I think no. I don't think a teacher can be trusted if they think that the children that it's right for children to see strippers in first grade!

I'm sorry. It's beyond reason. You should not be around my children!

But you shouldn't go to jail for that. Don't we, as a society have a right to demand virtue, in positions of authority?

Yes.

But the political class and honestly, the educational class, does everything they can to say, that doesn't matter.

But it does. And we're seeing it now. The line between cancel and culture, the -- the cancellation of people, and the accountability of people in our culture, it's not easy.

Except here. I think it is easy.

Cancel culture is about challenging the orthodoxy. Opinions about faith, morality, biology.
Accountability comes when speech reveals somebody's heart.

Accountability comes when you're like, you are a monster! You are celebrating violence. You're mocking life itself. One is an argument. The other is an abandonment of humanity. The Constitution, so you understand, protects both.

But we as a culture can decide, what kind of voices would shape our children? Heal our sick. Lead our communities?

I'm sorry, if you're in a position of trust, I think it's absolutely right for the culture to say, no!

No. You should not -- because this is not policy debate. This is celebrating death.

You know, our Founders gave us liberty.

And, you know, the big thing was, can you keep it?

Well, how do you keep it? Virtue. Virtue.

Liberty without virtue is suicide!

So if anybody is making this case to you, that this is cancel culture. I just want you to ask them this question.

Which do you want to defend?

Cancel culture that silences debate. Or a culture that still knows the difference between debating ideas and celebrating death.

Which one?

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Could passengers have SAVED Iryna Zarutska?

Surveillance footage of the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in Charlotte, NC, reveals that the other passengers on the train took a long time to help her. Glenn, Stu, and Jason debate whether they were right or wrong to do so.

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GLENN: You know, I'm -- I'm torn on how I feel about the people on the train.

Because my first instinct is, they did nothing! They did nothing! Then my -- well, sit down and, you know -- you know, you're going to be judged. So be careful on judging others.

What would I have done? What would I want my wife to do in that situation?

STU: Yeah. Are those two different questions, by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, they are.

STU: I think they go far apart from each other. What would I want myself to do. I mean, it's tough to put yourself in a situation. It's very easy to watch a video on the internet and talk about your heroism. Everybody can do that very easily on Twitter. And everybody is.

You know, when you're in a vehicle that doesn't have an exit with a guy who just murdered somebody in front of you, and has a dripping blood off of a knife that's standing 10 feet away from you, 15 feet away from you.

There's probably a different standard there, that we should all kind of consider. And maybe give a little grace to what I saw at least was a woman, sitting across the -- the -- the aisle.

I think there is a difference there. But when you talk about that question. Those two questions are definitive.

You know, I know what I would want myself to do. I would hope I would act in a way that didn't completely embarrass myself afterward.

But I also think, when I'm thinking of my wife. My advice to my wife would not be to jump into the middle of that situation at all costs. She might do that anyway. She actually is a heck of a lot stronger than I am.

But she might do it anyway.

GLENN: How pathetic, but how true.

STU: Yes. But that would not be my advice to her.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Now, maybe once the guy has certainly -- is out of the area. And you don't think the moment you step into that situation. He will turn around and kill you too. Then, of course, obviously. Anything you can do to step in.

Not that there was much anyone on the train could do.

I mean, I don't think there was an outcome change, no matter what anyone on that train did.

Unfortunately.

But would I want her to step in?

Of course. If she felt she was safe, yes.

Think about, you said, your wife. Think about your daughter. Your daughter is on that train, just watching someone else getting murdered like that. Would you advise your daughter to jump into a situation like that?

That girl sitting across the aisle was somebody's daughter. I don't know, man.

JASON: I would. You know, as a dad, would I advise.

Hmm. No.

As a human being, would I hope that my daughter or my wife or that I would get up and at least comfort that woman while she's dying on the floor of a train?

Yeah.

I would hope that my daughter, my son, that I would -- and, you know, I have more confidence in my son or daughter or my wife doing something courageous more than I would.

But, you know, I think I have a more realistic picture of myself than anybody else.

And I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure what I would do in that situation. I know what I would hope I would do. But I also know what I fear I would do. But I would have hoped that I would have gotten up and at least tried to help her. You know, help her up off the floor. At least be there with her, as she's seeing her life, you know, spill out in under a minute.

And that's it other thing we have to keep in mind. This all happened so rapidly.

A minute is -- will seem like a very long period of time in that situation. But it's a very short period of time in real life.

STU: Yeah. You watch the video, Glenn. You know, I don't need the video to -- to change my -- my position on this.

But at his seem like there was a -- someone who did get there, eventually, to help, right? I saw someone seemingly trying to put pressure on her neck.

GLENN: Yeah. And tried to give her CPR.

STU: You know, no hope at that point. How long of a time period would you say that was?

Do you know off the top of your head?

GLENN: I don't know. I don't know. I know that we watched the video that I saw. I haven't seen past 30 seconds after she --

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: -- is down. And, you know, for 30 seconds nothing is happening. You know, that is -- that is not a very long period of time.

STU: Right.

GLENN: In reality.

STU: And especially, I saw the pace he was walking. He certainly can't be -- you know, he may have left the actual train car by 30 seconds to a minute. But he wasn't that far away. Like he was still in visual.

He could still turn around and look and see what's going on at that point. So certainly still a threat is my point. He has not, like, left the area. This is not that type of situation.

You know, I -- look, as you point out, I think if I could be super duper sexist for a moment here, sort of my dividing line might just be men and women.

You know, I don't know if it's that a -- you're not supposed to say that, I suppose these days. But, like, there is a difference there. If I'm a man, you know, I would be -- I would want my son to jump in on that, I suppose. I don't know if he could do anything about it. But you would expect at least a grown man to be able to go in there and do something about it. A woman, you know, I don't know.

Maybe I'm -- I hope --

GLENN: Here's the thing I -- here's the thing that I -- that causes me to say, no. You should have jumped in.

And that is, you know, you've already killed one person on the train. So you've proven that you're a killer. And anybody who would have screamed and got up and was with her, she's dying. She's dying. Get him. Get him.

Then the whole train is responsible for stopping that guy. You know. And if you don't stop him, after he's killed one person, if you're not all as members of that train, if you're not stopping him, you know, the person at the side of that girl would be the least likely to be killed. It would be the ones that are standing you up and trying to stop him from getting back to your daughter or your wife or you.

JASON: There was a -- speaking of men and women and their roles in this. There was a video circling social media yesterday. In Sweden. There was a group of officials up on a stage. And one of the main. I think it was health official woman collapses on stage. Completely passes out.

All the men kind of look away. Or I don't know if they're looking away. Or pretending that they didn't know what was going on. There was another woman standing directly behind the woman passed out.

Immediately springs into action. Jumps on top. Grabs her pant leg. Grabs her shoulder. Spins her over and starts providing care.

What did she have that the other guys did not? Or women?

She was a sheepdog. There is a -- this is my issue. And I completely agree with Stu. I completely agree with you. There's some people that do not respond this way. My issue is the proportion of sheepdogs versus people that don't really know how to act. That is diminishing in western society. And American society.

We see it all the time in these critical actions. I mean, circumstances.

There are men and women, and it's actually a meme. That fantasize about hoards of people coming to attack their home and family. And they sit there and say, I've got it. You guys go. I'm staying behind, while I smoke my cigarette and wait for the hoards to come, because I will sacrifice myself. There are men and women that fantasize of block my highway. Go ahead. Block my highway. I'm going to do something about it. They fantasize about someone holding up -- not a liquor store. A convenience store or something. Because they will step in and do something. My issue now is that proportion of sheepdogs in society is disappearing. Just on statistical fact, there should be one within that train car, and there were none.

STU: Yeah. I mean --

JASON: They did not respond.

STU: We see what happens when they do, with Daniel Penny. Our society tries to vilify them and crush their existence. Now, there weren't that many people on that train. Right?

At least on that car. At least it's limited. I only saw three or four people there, there may have been more. I agree with you, though. Like, you see what happens when we actually do have a really recent example of someone doing exactly what Jason wants and what I would want a guy to do. Especially a marine to step up and stop this from happening. And the man was dragged by our legal system to a position where he nearly had to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I mean, I -- it's insanity. Thankfully, they came to their senses on that one.

GLENN: Well, the difference between that one and this one though is that the guy was threatening. This one, he killed somebody.

STU: Yeah. Right. Well, but -- I think -- but it's the opposite way. The debate with Penny, was should he have recognize that had this person might have just been crazy and not done anything?

Maybe. He hadn't actually acted yet. He was just saying things.

GLENN: Yeah. Well --

STU: He didn't wind up stabbing someone. This is a situation where these people have already seen what this man will do to you, even when you don't do anything to try to stop him. So if this woman, who is, again, looks to be an average American woman.

Across the aisle. Steps in and tries to do something. This guy could easily turn around and just make another pile of dead bodies next to the one that already exists.

And, you know, whether that is an optimal solution for our society, I don't know that that's helpful.

In that situation.

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