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Epiphany: Could This Be the Winning Strategy to Bridge the Divide?

For the past year, Glenn has been trying to figure out two things:

1. How do we talk to the American people?

2. How do we talk in a different way when there is so much fear and anger is happening?

He may have found the way in a book written by social psychologist Jonathan Haidt titled, The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion.

The book covers what's called the Moral Foundations Theory. Not surprisingly, conservatives and liberals approach big issues from completely different moral perspectives or pillars.

"He said at the beginning of his book, 'I thought, before doing all of this research, that I was a deep progressive. As it turns out, I'm not, but I didn't understand the right because they never spoke my language. I didn't think they cared about people,'" Glenn explained.

Haidt actually studied Glenn to research hate-filled speech, but realized he'd been under a misconception --- and it was an eye-opening awakening.

"He realized . . . I think I've misunderstood this entire thing. Now, he's come up [with a way ] to explain what's happening to us," Glenn said.

That way could be the key to bridging the divide.

In the coming months, Glenn will take a deep dive into the moral pillars to teach how learning this second language, if you will, can engage people with opposite ideologies. In the meantime, he introduced the moral pillars on radio today.

Enjoy the complimentary clip or read the transcript for details.

GLENN: There's -- there's really three or four books that I would like you to read. And we'll talk about those in the coming days. But one of them is called The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt. And he is a -- a -- a New York liberal NYU professor, who is not liberal anymore. He said at the beginning of his book: I thought, before doing all of this research, that I was a deep progressive. As it turns out, I'm not. But I didn't understand the right because they never spoke my language. I didn't think they cared about people.

Now, here's an educated man and an honest guy, who says, "As I started doing research, I realized, 'Wait. That's not who they are.'"

And the reason why he came to that is because a couple of people started speaking his language. In talking to him, you know, off air and talking about his theories, I found out that I'm one of the guys that was speaking his language. And he was shocked because I was one of the guys he was studying because I'm so hate-filled.

And what he realized is, wait. I think I've misunderstood this entire thing. Now, he's come up to explain what's happening to us.

And -- and he was looking for a way for people to be able to reach out to each other. But he doesn't think he found it. I do. And it's a fantastic read that -- that describes what's happening to the human brain. And how he describes this -- this is an older theory, but he's really kind of made this -- he's brought it to life.

What happens is, we -- our brain -- our choices -- so much of our choices are guttural. We're presented -- for instance, I don't know if you know this, this is crazy. Five thousand advertisements a day. We see 5,000 advertisements a day. Now, that doesn't even seem possible. But that's the average that the Americans see every single day. So we're weeding those things out. Because how many of them make it to us recognizing that's an ad?

We make 15,000 yes or no choices every single day. I don't think that's even possible.

But at least 15,000 on average. So much of what we do is what he calls the elephant part of the brain. And the elephant is this big, huge immovable object, that reason is sitting on top of. And reason is sitting on top of this elephant. And it's really rarely consulted by the elephant. Because the elephant is just moving.

And it's moving, based on what it has experienced. What its upbringing was. What its first reaction is. What first impressions are.

You know, you meet somebody, and your first impression is, I don't know if I really trust them. I don't know if I like them. Sometimes, if you have to, you will say, wait a minute. Let me reason this out. But most times, you just kind of let that go, and it builds one way or the other.

Well, that's the elephant. And then before you know it, you just don't trust that guy. And you're not really sure why. I just don't trust him. That's the elephant.

When it comes to critical decisions -- especially when fear is introduced -- we know that fear shuts reason down. And that's because the elephant just says, through experience, we're going that way.

And the writer -- because this -- this part of the brain -- this intuition and this X factor in the brain is so big and so lumbering, the writer -- the reason can rarely turn it.

Now, it can be turned. But it usually is turned, not by a great argument. We always say, how are we losing? We have the great argument. Well, it's not turned by the great argument. It's actually more likely to have the writer stop and wake up and tell the elephant, "Stop for a minute," from peer pressure.

It's more likely to be stopped when a bunch of people that the elephant trusts says, "You got this wrong. You got to listen. You have this wrong."

That's really the only time you have a chance that the elephant stops. The other time is when the elephant meets somebody new and likes them and has a general feeling of, this is a good guy. And that person gently challenges the elephant's belief, in a kind and friendly way. And then the elephant kind of looks up to the writer and says, "Does that make sense?" But that rarely happens.

Does this make sense so far? Do you understand?

STU: Uh-huh.

GLENN: So my job has been for the last year, to figure out two things: How do we talk to the American people? How do we talk to them in a different way, when so much rhetoric and so much fear and anger is happening?

Remember, I've made a pledge to myself, and I've asked to you make this pledge years ago: I will not go over the cliff with the rest of humanity.

So now, here we are. Humanity is going over a cliff. How do we stop our friends? I've said to you for many years: You're going to have to be the one that says, "Stop. Don't go that way." Well, when they're panicked, when they're fearful and the elephant is in charge, how do you wake the writer up?

Well, first, you have to be a trusted friend. You have to be kind. The best book you can read right now -- this is according to Jonathan Haidt. One of the best ways to do it is start with How to Win Friends and Influence People. Norman Vincent Peale, because the whole thing was actually care about the other person. Listen to them. Listen to them.

I would have behaved much differently in the last 18 months had I not been so arrogant. And I would have listened to you more. But I didn't.

And what I was talking about was principles. And those principles are great. And we all agreed on those principles. And I thought I was talking to the writer. What I didn't -- what I didn't realize is that you are struggling so hard with insurance. You're struggling so hard -- I know the chaos -- what you're feeling. But, honestly, I thought it was at more at our level, that we're looking at the news and can't figure it out. And that -- I just didn't -- I didn't see you. I was too egotistical. I saw me.

And that ended in disaster. That's not good. Many of us aren't friends now. Many of the people who are with me for a long time, they're not friends anymore.

Well, that's not -- how did that happen? My fault. Okay. I got that.

So now, how do we repair that, and how do we now reach out to people who have never liked any of us?

I'm going to explain this quickly. It's called the moral foundations theory. And what he has done -- and I urge you to watch it on TheBlaze TV. If you have a subscription, just watch it right now. This is actually in my office. And this is something I'm actually taking the staff through every day. And we just started. But let me show you how it works.

There are five -- there are five moral foundations that our society generally runs on. And it's loyalty and betrayal. Sanctity and disgust. Authority and subversion. Care and harm. Liberty and oppression. So the flipside of five moral pillars.

What Jonathan Haidt found in his research is that conservatives have loyalty and betrayal, sanctity and disgust, authority and subversion. We have those strongly. Liberals have care and harm and liberty and oppression. And they really have care and oppression. They don't focus on liberty as much as they focus on oppression.

Libertarians happen to have all five. And you'll see, Libertarians always seem to get a bunch of liberals to join them. Why?

Because they're the only ones speaking from a place of -- of authenticity on care and harm, liberty and oppression.

Conservatives do have all five, but they -- but they -- they don't exercise all five very often. And on top of that, liberals only have two. And they never go up to the top three.

So let me just show you how this works. When it comes to health care, they argue health care, you don't care -- you want to harm the -- you want to kill people. You don't care about anybody. You don't care about children.

When it comes to school vouchers, you don't care about children. You don't care about them having education. You know, you want to cut welfare. You don't care about people. They're all there, care and harm.

When it comes to things like moms at home. What do we argue? We argue moms -- because that's a sacred job -- we're arguing sanctity. We look at motherhood as a sacred job, a sacred responsibility with your child. And that children -- that's a sacred duty to us as parents. That's not what they're arguing. They're arguing oppression.

You are oppressing the woman by making her stay at home. And they mean that as much as we mean it's sacred.

But they don't relate to sacred responsibilities. And I'm speaking generally. And we don't relate to oppression, speaking generally. We don't relate to that.

So we're using different languages. It's like going to Mexico and speaking French.

So what we have to do is we have to move -- for instance, under sanctity and disgust, have you ever noticed how disgusting the left can get in things? Like there's nothing too vile. Occupy Wall Street, there's a protest, we can't relate to them because they're crapping on cars and smearing feces on things. There's no -- there's no -- there's no disgust that is too low for them. Because they don't have the sanctity bar.

We talk about sex, marriage, and God. We're up at sanctity. But they bring the sex, marriage, and God down to oppression. That's why we're not able to understand each other.

We literally are speaking two different languages.

And somebody has to master the second language. And I am asking you to help us and let us help you master a second language.

And begin to speak a different language. Because if there's enough of us doing it, we can stop humanity from going over the cliff. And we're never going to win with just a great argument. Because we're not speaking the same language.

EXCLUSIVE: Chip Roy Explains His FIERY Rejection of Spending Bill
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EXCLUSIVE: Chip Roy Explains His FIERY Rejection of Spending Bill

According to the media, there’s a big fight going on between Republicans over the House’s new slimmed-down continuing resolution spending bill. Some, including President-elect Donald Trump, wanted the bill to pass. But others, like Texas Representative Chip Roy, argued that it still wasn’t ready. However, is the Republican “unity coalition” really crumbling, like the media claims? Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn to explain what’s really going on. He argues that he IS trying to give Trump and DOGE a 100-day “runway” to fix the country. But he makes the case that, by increasing the debt ceiling by $5 trillion without agreeing on other cuts, this bill gives bad actors the ability to be an “obstacle” to Trump’s agenda further down the line. Plus, he reveals to Glenn that he believes some of these bad actors LEAKED false information about his stance to Mar-a-Lago.

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN:

I think we have a great opportunity today. To show you how to have a -- tough conversation, with friends, friends. Where you deeply disagree on something.

But you know that their intent is good. They know my intent is good. Or our intent is good.

And we actually have the same end goal, but we disagree on the path. And we're going to walk away friends.

Chip Roy is joining us today. And, Chip, I love you. And I always will. And I agree with your, we've got to cut spending. We have to. But Liz Wheeler is with me. And we've been talking about it all morning. It's the -- the -- the -- the system of DOGE and Trump, the call-out to the world, in saying, you've got to surrender the Capitol. You know, the bad guys are in and about to take all the money.

Surround, and tell them, come out with your hands up. And that happened. And we scored a massive win, in an entirely new way.

Ask then you stood on principle, one we both agree with.

And it failed!

And so here's -- here's what Liz and I were talking about. Here's what we want to say to you.

And then get your response.

LIZ: Hi, Congressman Roy, this is the way I see it. I want your take on it. I love you. I think you're one of the best members of Congress. I disagree with you on the process that's happening. And I think that is the difference. The process. We elected Donald Trump to be a disruptor. Because Republican members of Congress for decades have been telling they're fiscal conservatives. They want to decrease the debt SEAL. It hasn't happened.

It hasn't -- it hasn't been done. And so Donald Trump comes in with Elon Musk, and uses this DOGE process to first identify these pieces of garbage in the first 1500-page bill. And take those things to the people. We took them to members of Congress. Congress said, okay. We'll listen to you.

So that new process was very effective.

And my question to you is: Once that process was proved to be effective. Which I think is exciting and wonderful.

How do we bridge this divide, with you, to say, okay.

Let's put some faith in this new process. And trust Elon Musk and Donald Trump and the Dow Jones process, to eventually address the debt ceiling, but get this done right now?

GLENN: And not blind trust. Chip.

CHIP: So appreciate you guys. Appreciate being on the show. Particular order. I have to go through a couple of things.

GLENN: Yep.

CHIP: Number one, it's important to remember that my job and my duty is to the Constitution, to God, and the people I represent. I told them, when I came to Washington, I would not -- I would not let the credit card and the debt ceiling and the borrowing of the United States without the spending restraints necessary to offset it.

GLENN: Okay.

CHIP: Right now, all we have are promises and ideas and notions. What I know, that neither of you respectfully no, and that none of your listeners respectfully no are the people that are in the room, that I was in with yesterday. And the day before, who are recalcitrant.

And do not want to do the spending cuts that we need to do.

That I believe the president and the DOGE guys. And everybody want to do.

My job, is to force that through the meat grinder. To demand that we do our damn job. Okay?

GLENN: Okay. So hang on. Okay. So wait. Wait. You're right. You're right. You're right. Go ahead.

CHIP: Number thee, when we were going through the bill, I'm glad the bill dropped from 1,550 pages to 116 pages. Three-quarters of Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it, have been out there spreading false facts that we supported a bad bill and didn't like the better bill.

That's not true. But let's be Lear. The 1400 pages that were cut out. It's a panacea.

There were some good stuff in there. There were some bad stuff in there. There was a lot of disinformation.

There wasn't a $70,000 pay raise. There was a 3,000-dollar pay raise.

I didn't support any pay raise. I didn't support a lot of the stuff in there.

But there's a lot of misinformation. And here's the thing: The 116 pages that were left, and I opposed violently the first bill. I was leading the charge on fighting and killing the first bill.

GLENN: And I love you.

LIZ: The second bill for 116 pages. Turned off -- turned off the pay go requirement. That we slash 1.7 trillion automatically.

And added a 5 trillion that are increase.

My view was, I could not support that, without a clear understanding of what cuts we would get, in mandatory spending next year. And undo any of the Inflation Reduction Act.

The undoing of the student loans. The undoing of the crap with the food stamps.

And everything else. I yield back.

GLENN: Okay. I yield back.

Chip, you're not in a hostile room. We love you. And we agree with your end goals. It's our end goal too. We didn't make that promise that you made to the people that voted for you. So we have more wiggle room here.

But you say -- I think our big difference is, you say, I know the guys in the room.

You're right. You do. And we -- we ceded that earlier today on the show.

You are -- one of us is wrong on trust.

I don't trust any of the weasels in Washington.

But I think Donald Trump and Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy have earned enough trust, to get a grace period, here for the first -- maybe the first year.

Or at least six months.

To turn the economy around, and also reduce the size of the government.

And totally flip this thing.

And I know, as somebody who is -- you know, run a company, mainly into a ground. But run a company, and have to switch it, in the middle, and totally reshuffle. That -- that actually costs money, while you're doing it, to bridge the gap.

Because you have to fill up holes while you're filling in the gap.

You don't trust the people in the room. Neither do we.

But we do trust the system that worked on Wednesday with DOGE and Donald Trump.

Where do we disagree?

Can you give them --

CHIP: We don't disagree. And yesterday morning, I was making that precise argument in a room full of conservatives and then a follow-up room with people who will call it, less conservatives.

GLENN: Republican. Yes.

CHIP: And so we were making this argument. And then someone infamously. Something leaked out of the room, somehow out to Mar-a-Lago. That I was being resistant. Because I was negotiating trying to get the agreement to achieve the objective that you just said. I was trying to get, okay. In fact, yesterday morning, I made the argument to a group of conservatives. We need to give the president runway. We need to give him his first 100 days. We need to appreciate JD, and Vivek, and all the people -- and everybody involved. For the president to achieve the objective.

But to get there. We have to make sure that the guys in the room, that are an obstacle to that, don't have the ability to block it.

Because information flow matters. And when those guys tell the president, they can't achieve X.

Then the president will not achieve X. Our job was to force and demand, guys, we need actual understanding of what the cuts will be.

And because otherwise, we're asking us to accept a 5 trillion-dollar limit in our credit card increase. In exchange for nothing!

Literally, in exchange for nothing, but -- but hope.

So our job was to force that change.

Unfortunately, while I was trying to make the argument that we needed something in order to get the votes, someone leaked that down to Mar-a-Lago, and the president reacted.

But now I have to now manage that.

GLENN: Right. I know. I know.

CHIP: They're trying to enforce change in town.

GLENN: So hang on.

We have to leave this. Because I'm going to run against the clock.

I could talk to you all day about this. You were in a meeting this morning about J.D. Vance. Can you tell us anything about that meeting?

CHIP: That meeting happened, because despite what happened yesterday, I'm trying to get this done. Last night, talking to JD, we worked to get this meeting done. We had some good progress this morning.

But there still remains people concerned about spending. That we can work out, what agreement we can reach. On what spending cuts. We can actually get next year, in exchange for giving the vote on a debt ceiling increase.

So it remains fluid. Progress was made. But we have to keep working on it.

And I left that meeting to talk to you. Soil get an update in a minute.

GLENN: Thank you for that, by the way.

I hear there is a new bill that may be coming today.

Is that the one you're talking about?

Or is this another bill that could be another nightmare?

CHIP: Despite other people leaking crap, I refused. I can't say, because it's not been decided by the speaker.

And it's not right to talk about things they're talking about in private meetings.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's -- it's this speaker. I mean, is he really the speaker anymore, Chip, really?

CHIP: We need to hear what bill we need to get forward. And I can't talk about the private meetings. But, look, I'm going to keep fighting for what I promised people that I represent.

I'm going to fight to cut spending. I am going to represent article one.

I'm going to support the president's agenda, but we've got to do that together.

GLENN: Okay.

Chip, thank you.

I think we can -- I think we agree, but I await to see what that means to you. Because we may just have to agree to disagree on this.

But I love you. And I still want you to replace Cornyn.

CHIP: The short version is, for inflation's sake, we cannot increase the debt ceiling $5 trillion without knowing what we're getting for it.

And I don't think anybody should disagree with that.

GLENN: But you don't disagree that Elon Musk and Trump and Vivek are serious about gutting the system.

CHIP: I believe that is their objective. I believe there are obstacles to that objective. And I need to know the sincerity of how we deal with those obstacles, both structural, and human. And we have to figure that out. And that's my job.

America's Favorite Villain Is Ready for Nuclear Fallout. Are You? | Glenn TV | Ep 401
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America's Favorite Villain Is Ready for Nuclear Fallout. Are You? | Glenn TV | Ep 401

In this episode of Glenn TV — a theatrical how-to guide to survive the breakdown of society after a nuclear attack, according to the new movie “Homestead” from Angel Studios. Glenn Beck interviews the movie’s star and executive producer, Neal McDonough, who plays the head of a family trying to survive as society is breaking down in a postapocalyptic world. You’ve probably seen Neal in everything from the hit TV shows “Yellowstone,” “Suits,” and “Justified” to movies like “Captain America,” “Minority Report,” and the groundbreaking mini-series “Band of Brothers.” Glenn asks Neal what it’s like to play a villain so often, how TV and movies are changing, and how he survived Hollywood as a devoted Christian and husband who refuses to do onscreen kissing scenes with any of his female co-stars. They also discuss his battle with alcoholism, what it’s like working the legends like Sylvester Stallone and Kevin Costner, and the cultural craving for Western cinema. Note: Angel Studios is a sponsor of “The Glenn Beck Program.” Get your tickets for “Homestead” at https://Angel.com/Beck.

4 MAJOR Cover-Ups EXPOSED In the Latest Jan. 6 Report
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4 MAJOR Cover-Ups EXPOSED In the Latest Jan. 6 Report

The House Administration Oversight Subcommittee has released its second and final report on its investigation into the House January 6 Committee – and it reveals A LOT. The subcommittee’s chairman, Rep. Barry Loudermilk, joins Glenn to review some of the highlights. Rep. Loudermilk explains why he recommended a criminal investigation into former Rep. Liz Cheney, what crucial information the Jan. 6 Committee left out of its report, and what the government did to cover up “tremendous failures.” He also details why he’s certain the FBI lied about being unable to access phone data that could reveal the identity of the pipe bomber and why the FBI “spent no time looking into who constructed the gallows” that mysteriously appeared at the riot.