BLOGMay 01, 2017

Glenn Encounters Religious Bigotry Firsthand, Teaches the Left a Lesson in Principles

Glenn and his wife have been on the daunting journey of finding a new school for their children. Two local Christian schools in particular denied admission based on the family's religion. While one did it on the basis of principles, the other appeared to have done it out of sheer bigotry. You might say, metaphorically, the latter school refused to bake them a wedding cake. Glenn described Monday on radio that while angry and disappointed, he'll respect the decision made by a private institution, even if he doesn't agree with it.

"If you can't handle meeting a bigot and you can't handle knowing how to deal with a bigot and just dismiss them for the small-minded, narrow people that they are, then you're not going to make it very far. But just to show the left there is bigotry beyond your scope. You may not consider religious bigotry a big deal unless you're an atheist, but there is still religious bigotry," Glenn said.

Enjoy the complimentary clip or read the transcript for details.

GLENN: Hello, America.

I want to show the left how principles work.

I've been trying to get my kids into religious schools. And, quite honestly, I am -- I'm going to look at a Jewish day school because I know -- I know the Jews will take my Christian children.

I've been trying to get my kids into Christian schools here. And I've been looking into some schools, and we went to an IB school, which I would never put my kids in. Never would I put my kids in an International Baccalaureate program.

I mean, you want to talk about global warming, borderless society, kids coming out very smart, but not with any of the principles I believe in -- I want my kids to have a rock solid principle and religious-based education.

In Texas, if you're Mormon, that's really hard to do because the Christian schools just don't want any of them Mormons around.

Now, I want to tell one story, but in a positive way. And this is why I will give the name of the school. One of the schools -- and it's a really great school, is Covenant Christian School.

And it's an amazing school. And we went on the tour, and everything was great. And, I mean, it was a dream school for me. I mean, I talked to the science teachers. And, "How do you teach evolution?"

"Well, we teach evolution as what it is: a theory. But side by side, we also teach the theory of intelligent design. And we teach them both with the same amount of rigor."

"Fantastic. I love that. Great."

I went into their history department. "Can you tell me" -- I said to the teachers -- and they didn't know who I was. "Can you tell me, who was the worst president of the 20th century, without going into the last, let's say, four or five presidents? And who was the worst president in the 18th century?" Immediately, "Woodrow Wilson, Andrew Jackson." I'm like, "I am home. This is my home."

(chuckling)

GLENN: Loved it. I was called in, as we start to go through the paperwork -- I was called in by the headmaster, and he said, "We don't take Mormon kids because we are a covenant school." And I said, "Okay. Well, let's talk about that."

And after -- I mean, they went through our church's doctrine. They had board meetings. They really wrestled with it. And they explained -- they said, "Look, we make a covenant with the church that the kids go to. And so we have to have certain doctrinal things in line because it's not just bringing your kids in here. We covenant with the church because we believe the church is part of the community that the kids grow up in, and we all want to be hand in hand." I'm like, "I completely understand." I don't think they were bigoted at all. In fact, the opposite. They were well thought out. They were gracious. They were kind. It was -- and I couldn't recommend that school more highly. I wish my kids could go to that. But it's in their name.

PAT: Uh-huh.

GLENN: And they said, "We would break the very fundamental cornerstone of what we do, if we did that. So we wouldn't do that with any church -- it's not just yours. We wouldn't do that with any church that we didn't have all of the doctrine in place."

I walked away from there really disappointed because I wanted to my kids to go to school there and I wanted to be part of that community, but I completely understand. Then I went to another school, which is going to remain nameless, because there's no reason to run their name into the mud. But they know who they are.

I went and I met with their headmaster. And I met with the founder. And I said, "First off, do you take Mormon kids?"

"Yeah, of course, we take Mormon kids."

"Okay. You do? For sure? Because we just went through this."

"Yeah, no, no, no. We take them. Our philosophy is, they're going to be challenged. Are you asking for special exemptions? Because we do a religious class."

I said, "No, no, no. I want my kids to know everything there is to know about other religions. Their choice of a religion is their choice, not mine. It's theirs. And I do my best to teach theirs -- and I want them to come home and say, Dad, what about this? I want them exploring."

And I said, "So I'm not going to have a problem -- I'm not asking you to change anything." And they said, "Oh, great. No, we take Jewish kids. Because, you know, Judeo-Christian. Blah, blah, blah. They got the Old Testament. We would say to the family, you know, we are teaching about Jesus." They said, "You know, probably something from the, you know, Far East. You know, Buddhist I think is what they used or -- or, you know, Islam," they said. "That is not based on Judeo-Christian, so we think it would be too confusing for the kids. But if the parents wanted them to learn all about Christianity, okay."

We go through the whole thing. And Tania gets a call last week from somebody in the school, from the admissions. "I'm sorry. But we can't take your kids. There's no reason to go any further on this."

And she said, "Why?"

"Well, because, you know, you're Mormon. And we just can't take Mormons. And, you know, you'll be uncomfortable. Many of the parents will be uncomfortable. Your kids will be uncomfortable. They'll be confused."

"No, they won't. They won't be confused. We go to other churches. You know, dad has lots of preacher friends. We did an entire day one on one with our host, Billy Graham. My kids didn't leave confused from Billy Graham's dinner table."

Oh, it was just -- my wife was so upset, she was rude. She just said, "Thank you," and hung up. Now, when I found out, I was really angry, and I posted something on Facebook. I was really angry.

And I'm angry because that's just bigotry. What are you afraid of? I'm not afraid of exposing my kids to anybody's religion. I challenge them. I want them to know other religions. And I'm not putting my kids in school to preach to your kids.

I'm not the kind of person that's going to make everybody else conform to what I believe. What are you afraid of?

So I was really angry. And somebody wrote to me. And this has given me -- instead of going on a rant about this, this has given me the perfect opportunity to explain why bakers should be allowed to not make wedding cakes. There's a difference between -- there's a difference between bigotry and firm belief.

The first school I went to, they have a firm belief. They know what they believe. And it's -- it's different than what I believe. But who am I to force my view on them? Who am I to do anything, but sit down with them, get to know them, truly love them -- we prayed together. We talked for hours. We're friends. I'll help them in any way. They won't let my kids go to their school. That's okay. They don't hate me. They don't hate my church. They just have a standard in place that they can't violate.

I understand that. I appreciate that.

The other is, "Yeah, we'll take kids. We'll take any kid. Well, no. You're out in the open. You're out in the open. And we don't want to look like we're endorsing that." They have kids of other faiths. I wouldn't be surprised if they have Mormons in their school. Oh, my gosh. They should check them for horns today. Not that I have -- that night I know people who go to that school who are of different faiths. Oh, no.

It's just open bigotry. So now what do I do? Well, I remain consistent with my values, except I don't even want to tell you the name of the school because it's not worth it. What are you going to do about it? I want to organize boycotts of the school? I want to change that school? No. No, I don't. No, I don't.

I want them to know that I think what you're doing -- I mean, Jesus dined with whores. You can't have lunch with my kids? You're afraid of my children? I mean, honestly, how are Christians going to expand their lot? I'm giving you the opportunity to teach my kids about your brand of Christianity.

No, no, no. Because apparently people will be too afraid of my little children. What? Converting your children? Confusing your children? That's ridiculous.

And, again, I'd rather be with Jesus who was -- who was dining with whores.

I want them to know it. I want them to know how I feel. But I don't want to organize a protest. I don't want to sue them. I don't want to the make their life miserable. I think probably the vast majority of kids that go to that school, have kids in that school, run in that school, also don't feel -- don't feel like we should be afraid of somebody else's religion.

You can't couch it any way you want, but if you're taking other children, but not these children, that says something about you.

And the biggest thing that has happened around our dinner table, as we've talked about it, is -- because I've called them myself, because I want to talk to them myself. I haven't received a phone call back yet. But I'm sure I will.

I want to call them myself. And the conversation at the dinner table last night was, "Why, Dad?" And I said, "Because I want to say some things. And I'm not mad. I want to say some things. I want to ask them some questions." Well, you wouldn't put them in the school, would you?

I said, "I don't think so. I'm not sure, but I don't think so." And the reason I don't think so is because I don't want my kids to be surrounded by people who are bigots. But my feeling is, not everybody there is a bigot. Because I met a lot of great people who knew exactly who I was and knew exactly what church I belonged to. I'm not exactly quiet on that. And so I don't think they would be surrounded by bigots -- maybe just a few. But what's the difference between that and real life?

I mean, if you can't handle meeting a bigot and you can't handle knowing how to deal with a bigot and just dismiss them for the small-minded, narrow people that they are, then you're not going to make it very far.

But just to show the left that there is bigotry beyond your scope. You may not consider religious bigotry a big deal, unless you're an atheist.

But there is still religious bigotry. But you have to know the difference between having standards and being bigots.

STU: So do you want a new law then that would guarantee that your children be able to get into a religious school of their choice?

GLENN: No. No. I believe this is a private institution that can do whatever they want.

PAT: But you have asked a judge to award you $137,000.

GLENN: No, I have not. I have not.

PAT: Weird.

GLENN: I have not. Personally, I believe that's the way you deal with bigotry, when you find it.

And I will tell you, thousands of people have respond to my Facebook post. And most of them are from Christians who say, "I'm sorry. I'm not of your faith. I don't even agree with your faith, but that's just wrong." That's who people really are.

And I have faith that we are getting better and not worse. Some people are still stuck in the 1950s. Most aren't. Know the difference.

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EXCLUSIVE: Chip Roy Explains His FIERY Rejection of Spending Bill

According to the media, there’s a big fight going on between Republicans over the House’s new slimmed-down continuing resolution spending bill. Some, including President-elect Donald Trump, wanted the bill to pass. But others, like Texas Representative Chip Roy, argued that it still wasn’t ready. However, is the Republican “unity coalition” really crumbling, like the media claims? Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn to explain what’s really going on. He argues that he IS trying to give Trump and DOGE a 100-day “runway” to fix the country. But he makes the case that, by increasing the debt ceiling by $5 trillion without agreeing on other cuts, this bill gives bad actors the ability to be an “obstacle” to Trump’s agenda further down the line. Plus, he reveals to Glenn that he believes some of these bad actors LEAKED false information about his stance to Mar-a-Lago.

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN:

I think we have a great opportunity today. To show you how to have a -- tough conversation, with friends, friends. Where you deeply disagree on something.

But you know that their intent is good. They know my intent is good. Or our intent is good.

And we actually have the same end goal, but we disagree on the path. And we're going to walk away friends.

Chip Roy is joining us today. And, Chip, I love you. And I always will. And I agree with your, we've got to cut spending. We have to. But Liz Wheeler is with me. And we've been talking about it all morning. It's the -- the -- the -- the system of DOGE and Trump, the call-out to the world, in saying, you've got to surrender the Capitol. You know, the bad guys are in and about to take all the money.

Surround, and tell them, come out with your hands up. And that happened. And we scored a massive win, in an entirely new way.

Ask then you stood on principle, one we both agree with.

And it failed!

And so here's -- here's what Liz and I were talking about. Here's what we want to say to you.

And then get your response.

LIZ: Hi, Congressman Roy, this is the way I see it. I want your take on it. I love you. I think you're one of the best members of Congress. I disagree with you on the process that's happening. And I think that is the difference. The process. We elected Donald Trump to be a disruptor. Because Republican members of Congress for decades have been telling they're fiscal conservatives. They want to decrease the debt SEAL. It hasn't happened.

It hasn't -- it hasn't been done. And so Donald Trump comes in with Elon Musk, and uses this DOGE process to first identify these pieces of garbage in the first 1500-page bill. And take those things to the people. We took them to members of Congress. Congress said, okay. We'll listen to you.

So that new process was very effective.

And my question to you is: Once that process was proved to be effective. Which I think is exciting and wonderful.

How do we bridge this divide, with you, to say, okay.

Let's put some faith in this new process. And trust Elon Musk and Donald Trump and the Dow Jones process, to eventually address the debt ceiling, but get this done right now?

GLENN: And not blind trust. Chip.

CHIP: So appreciate you guys. Appreciate being on the show. Particular order. I have to go through a couple of things.

GLENN: Yep.

CHIP: Number one, it's important to remember that my job and my duty is to the Constitution, to God, and the people I represent. I told them, when I came to Washington, I would not -- I would not let the credit card and the debt ceiling and the borrowing of the United States without the spending restraints necessary to offset it.

GLENN: Okay.

CHIP: Right now, all we have are promises and ideas and notions. What I know, that neither of you respectfully no, and that none of your listeners respectfully no are the people that are in the room, that I was in with yesterday. And the day before, who are recalcitrant.

And do not want to do the spending cuts that we need to do.

That I believe the president and the DOGE guys. And everybody want to do.

My job, is to force that through the meat grinder. To demand that we do our damn job. Okay?

GLENN: Okay. So hang on. Okay. So wait. Wait. You're right. You're right. You're right. Go ahead.

CHIP: Number thee, when we were going through the bill, I'm glad the bill dropped from 1,550 pages to 116 pages. Three-quarters of Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it, have been out there spreading false facts that we supported a bad bill and didn't like the better bill.

That's not true. But let's be Lear. The 1400 pages that were cut out. It's a panacea.

There were some good stuff in there. There were some bad stuff in there. There was a lot of disinformation.

There wasn't a $70,000 pay raise. There was a 3,000-dollar pay raise.

I didn't support any pay raise. I didn't support a lot of the stuff in there.

But there's a lot of misinformation. And here's the thing: The 116 pages that were left, and I opposed violently the first bill. I was leading the charge on fighting and killing the first bill.

GLENN: And I love you.

LIZ: The second bill for 116 pages. Turned off -- turned off the pay go requirement. That we slash 1.7 trillion automatically.

And added a 5 trillion that are increase.

My view was, I could not support that, without a clear understanding of what cuts we would get, in mandatory spending next year. And undo any of the Inflation Reduction Act.

The undoing of the student loans. The undoing of the crap with the food stamps.

And everything else. I yield back.

GLENN: Okay. I yield back.

Chip, you're not in a hostile room. We love you. And we agree with your end goals. It's our end goal too. We didn't make that promise that you made to the people that voted for you. So we have more wiggle room here.

But you say -- I think our big difference is, you say, I know the guys in the room.

You're right. You do. And we -- we ceded that earlier today on the show.

You are -- one of us is wrong on trust.

I don't trust any of the weasels in Washington.

But I think Donald Trump and Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy have earned enough trust, to get a grace period, here for the first -- maybe the first year.

Or at least six months.

To turn the economy around, and also reduce the size of the government.

And totally flip this thing.

And I know, as somebody who is -- you know, run a company, mainly into a ground. But run a company, and have to switch it, in the middle, and totally reshuffle. That -- that actually costs money, while you're doing it, to bridge the gap.

Because you have to fill up holes while you're filling in the gap.

You don't trust the people in the room. Neither do we.

But we do trust the system that worked on Wednesday with DOGE and Donald Trump.

Where do we disagree?

Can you give them --

CHIP: We don't disagree. And yesterday morning, I was making that precise argument in a room full of conservatives and then a follow-up room with people who will call it, less conservatives.

GLENN: Republican. Yes.

CHIP: And so we were making this argument. And then someone infamously. Something leaked out of the room, somehow out to Mar-a-Lago. That I was being resistant. Because I was negotiating trying to get the agreement to achieve the objective that you just said. I was trying to get, okay. In fact, yesterday morning, I made the argument to a group of conservatives. We need to give the president runway. We need to give him his first 100 days. We need to appreciate JD, and Vivek, and all the people -- and everybody involved. For the president to achieve the objective.

But to get there. We have to make sure that the guys in the room, that are an obstacle to that, don't have the ability to block it.

Because information flow matters. And when those guys tell the president, they can't achieve X.

Then the president will not achieve X. Our job was to force and demand, guys, we need actual understanding of what the cuts will be.

And because otherwise, we're asking us to accept a 5 trillion-dollar limit in our credit card increase. In exchange for nothing!

Literally, in exchange for nothing, but -- but hope.

So our job was to force that change.

Unfortunately, while I was trying to make the argument that we needed something in order to get the votes, someone leaked that down to Mar-a-Lago, and the president reacted.

But now I have to now manage that.

GLENN: Right. I know. I know.

CHIP: They're trying to enforce change in town.

GLENN: So hang on.

We have to leave this. Because I'm going to run against the clock.

I could talk to you all day about this. You were in a meeting this morning about J.D. Vance. Can you tell us anything about that meeting?

CHIP: That meeting happened, because despite what happened yesterday, I'm trying to get this done. Last night, talking to JD, we worked to get this meeting done. We had some good progress this morning.

But there still remains people concerned about spending. That we can work out, what agreement we can reach. On what spending cuts. We can actually get next year, in exchange for giving the vote on a debt ceiling increase.

So it remains fluid. Progress was made. But we have to keep working on it.

And I left that meeting to talk to you. Soil get an update in a minute.

GLENN: Thank you for that, by the way.

I hear there is a new bill that may be coming today.

Is that the one you're talking about?

Or is this another bill that could be another nightmare?

CHIP: Despite other people leaking crap, I refused. I can't say, because it's not been decided by the speaker.

And it's not right to talk about things they're talking about in private meetings.

GLENN: Yeah, but it's -- it's this speaker. I mean, is he really the speaker anymore, Chip, really?

CHIP: We need to hear what bill we need to get forward. And I can't talk about the private meetings. But, look, I'm going to keep fighting for what I promised people that I represent.

I'm going to fight to cut spending. I am going to represent article one.

I'm going to support the president's agenda, but we've got to do that together.

GLENN: Okay.

Chip, thank you.

I think we can -- I think we agree, but I await to see what that means to you. Because we may just have to agree to disagree on this.

But I love you. And I still want you to replace Cornyn.

CHIP: The short version is, for inflation's sake, we cannot increase the debt ceiling $5 trillion without knowing what we're getting for it.

And I don't think anybody should disagree with that.

GLENN: But you don't disagree that Elon Musk and Trump and Vivek are serious about gutting the system.

CHIP: I believe that is their objective. I believe there are obstacles to that objective. And I need to know the sincerity of how we deal with those obstacles, both structural, and human. And we have to figure that out. And that's my job.

America's Favorite Villain Is Ready for Nuclear Fallout. Are You? | Glenn TV | Ep 401

In this episode of Glenn TV — a theatrical how-to guide to survive the breakdown of society after a nuclear attack, according to the new movie “Homestead” from Angel Studios. Glenn Beck interviews the movie’s star and executive producer, Neal McDonough, who plays the head of a family trying to survive as society is breaking down in a postapocalyptic world. You’ve probably seen Neal in everything from the hit TV shows “Yellowstone,” “Suits,” and “Justified” to movies like “Captain America,” “Minority Report,” and the groundbreaking mini-series “Band of Brothers.” Glenn asks Neal what it’s like to play a villain so often, how TV and movies are changing, and how he survived Hollywood as a devoted Christian and husband who refuses to do onscreen kissing scenes with any of his female co-stars. They also discuss his battle with alcoholism, what it’s like working the legends like Sylvester Stallone and Kevin Costner, and the cultural craving for Western cinema. Note: Angel Studios is a sponsor of “The Glenn Beck Program.” Get your tickets for “Homestead” at https://Angel.com/Beck.

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Biden FLOODED the Government With DEI, But Trump Has ONE Way to Win

With just weeks left in office, President Biden (or whoever’s actually calling the shots) has decided to hire 1,200 DEI officials. Is this part of a plot to undermine Donald Trump’s plans and make it harder for him to rid the government of woke Deep State bureaucrats? Glenn and fellow BlazeTV host ‪@lizwheeler‬ discuss how other Democrats have recently proposed things like this, including a UK-style “shadow cabinet” that would oppose Trump. Liz also gives her advice to Trump on how to deal with these new DEI officials, who will be paid hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to focus on things like “health equity” …

Transcript

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GLENN: Okay. Where were we, Liz?

LIZ: The Biden administration. Although, not Biden. Because he can't tell the difference between a nickel and a dime, trying to sabotage the Trump administration.

GLENN: Yeah. So the latest on this is now Biden is hiring 1200. Biden is not doing it.

But he's hiring 1200 DEI officials, and putting them just under the appointed official. So there will be 1200.

Some of these people make almost $400,000 a year. $400,000 a year! That's your tax dollar!

Will you -- in your -- in your life, your average person, I don't know if you'll ever even -- if you'll ever even pay $400,000 in taxes?

So you could be working your whole life, for that one hire.

And he's hired 1200 of them.

And all he's trying to do is make sure the DEI positions just can't get cut.

I've got news for you.

Donald Trump is going to cut those positions.

He's going to. And it's going to get ugly.

I mean, the ACLU was all over this, saying, oh, we've got plans. We're going to -- we're going to -- this is obscene.

This is absolutely obscene. What the Democrats are trying to do. By thwarting the president.

And honestly, thwarting the will of the American people. Remember the speech that was given by I don't know, some boob from -- well, one of the Carolinas.

I don't want to besmirch the other one for electing a boob. But he was -- he was giving a speech in the well of the Senate. And he said, we need a shadow government. What?

Hold it. You mean a Deep State. Because we already have one of those. And he said. This is a quote.

One of the most obscene things I've ever heard from an elected representative. We failed to make our case. That our policies are better.

Now, in my world, growing up in America, the next sentence is: We need to sit down and talk and find out why we're out of step, with the American people.

His was, but we know we're right. So we need a shadow government, to make sure we put our policies in, anyway.

There's nothing more un-American than that.

By the way, Ted Cruz also said, he thinks there's criminal charges that could be lodged against Biden and his administration for the selling of the steel and the walls for the border.

I think so too. I think so too. He'll probably end up blanketing or pardoning everybody that has either lived by a Biden. Or a Democrat.

Worked for the administration. Everybody will get a pardon at the end.

Honestly, it's like, hey. Everybody, Oprah is here.

Look under your seats.

Because you've got a pardon. You've got a pardon. And you've got a pardon.

Ugh!

Now...

PAT: The Department of Health and Human Services on November 15th. This is posted immediately after President Trump has been reelected.

They advertised for the following position. A deputy assistant secretary for Minority Health. With a salary of up to 221 thousand dollars. This is the goal of this position.

Or this is the purpose of this position.

To, quote, promote health equity.

To promote health equity.

What does that mean?

It means racial criminalization in health care.

It means, if you are seeking, I don't know.

Think about during the pandemic. When there was limited resources. Limited beds in the emergency room.

Limited amounts of drugs and therapeutics, that people could access, in order to treat COVID when it's at its worse.

Well, now you will be screened based on the color of your skin.

That's what health equity is. Health equity is a word used to disguise the reality, that it's just -- it's socialism.

It's discrimination.

It requires, a government official to look at you, and make a decision about whether or not you are going to have access to health care that you might need, based on what you look like.

Not based on the severity of your illness. Not based on your ability to pay. Not based on your request for care. But based on the color of your skin. That's not only wrong and immoral and completely absurd, that a bureaucratic in that position would make over $221,000. That's evil. The left likes to pretend, that you're a racist. Or I'm a racist. Just for voting for Donald Trump. This is evil racism. This is the kind of stuff that we eradicated from our country.

And Biden is trying to plant the Trump administration. With these evil little minions before he leaves.

GLENN: I mean, why are we -- why are we surprised?

How many anti-slavery amendments do we have, to the Constitution.

I mean, it's amazing to me. With very few exception, after ten, most of these seem to be like, oh.

Yeah. Okay.

You're so stupid, you don't understand.

Slaves need to be free. Okay.

Then the next amendment is like, okay. All right.

Let me limp up to explain this once more.

That means, they're Americans, and can vote!

How many amendments are -- are just one after another, especially on slavery.

And, by the way, who was it that didn't understand that slaves should be freed? The Democratic Party.

It -- I swear to you, these amendments are just, God, we didn't think you would be this stupid.

It's already covered!

But let's lay it out clearly, for you.

You cannot discriminate by color! By race! By religion.

We thought that had already been covered, but apparently, not.

LIZ: What I would do if I were the Trump transition team. This is obviously a deliberate effort by the Biden administration. Because within the first ten days after the election, 33 of these jobs were posted on government websites.

So this was -- they were like, okay. Trump is coming in. Let's start ceding the deep state with these races. What I would do if I were Trump transition is I would say, we take racial equality, very seriously. We take civil rights very seriously.

In the administration, of the 47th president of the United States, and anybody who engages, especially a government official who engages in racial discrimination will be prosecuted. And prevent these people from even accepting these jobs. Because they will be threatened with legal action if they do.

GLENN: You can make a legal case. A solid, legal case, that that is exactly right. And that's what should be done.

They would be doing that to us, if we were -- if we were discriminating on race. If we were like, you know what, we're only going to hire white people.

We would go to jail.

Oh, you know what. We're just going to shuffle the deck here.

We're going to look at everybody.

But we lean towards white people.

Did you have Wheaties for breakfast?

If you had Wheaties as a childhood, you're in a different category. Okay?

I mean, we would go to jail. We would be shut down.

It's the same thing.

But don't expect the Democrats to get it.

Did you see the new -- or the DNC chair front runner?

The one they're thinking should be the head of the DNC?

He said, the problem with the election is, the convention should have featured pro-Hamas activists.

LIZ: I totally agree. That absolutely should have --
GLENN: At least they would have been honest.
LIZ: Think about how many Democrat voters, and really prominent people too.

I'm talking about Joe Rogan. I'm talking about Elon Musk. I'm talking about RFK Jr. These were fairly hard-core Democrats, who not only converted to being like, okay. We'll tolerate a Republican. Because it's not Joe Biden.

It's not Kamala Harris.

These people are the biggest supporters of President Trump right now, because of that kind of garbage. So DNC, if you are going to be radical, please be honest and tell us.

Thank you. It's just ushering new Republican voters right into our arms.

GLENN: I respect you, more than I respect people like Mike Johnson.

Mike Johnson doesn't tell me what -- he doesn't tell me what he really is.

What he really believes.

He tells me what I want to hear. I don't believe it. Then he's elected. Then he gets in.

And then he rapes you.

You know, I have much more respect for -- for people who are like, yeah. I'm pro-Hamas.

And you should elect me.

Well, I don't think I'm going to do it.

But thank you for telling me who you really are.

LIZ: Yeah. Great. Let's take all of the Democrat members of Congress. And let's Jamaal Bowman them, let's Cori Bush them.

Because as soon as they were honest about being pro-Hamas, voters were like, actually, we're good.

GLENN: Yep. Yep.

By the way, Hochul has come out. And she has now tried to stir up support to end the electoral college.

Because no offense, Wyoming, according to her words, New York voted for Kamala Harris.

You know, it is so dishonest. And this would -- this would have no space, if -- if we were actually teaching you students, what the electoral college is for.

You want to talk about fairness. Here's fairness: Should New York City dictate what all of New York does?

No!

They have representation. Of all the small towns.

All the farming towns.

Everything else.

New York City, should not be the one that tells everyone else, exactly how to live!

I think there should be electoral colleges in states now.

Because the cities are just devouring, all of the communities outside of those mega cities.

The electoral college is to make sure, that New York, California, and let me say, Texas, doesn't run over all of the other states!

And force how they're living in those cities, and those big states. In Wyoming!

Or Idaho!

Or Alabama!

Yeah. I don't have to live like you do in New York City.

I don't want to live like you do in New York City.

And we have completely different values than you do.

We should have a say, and an even, equal seat at the table.

That's why we have the electoral college. And we have the popular vote.

So you can see. And it's usually pretty close.

This time, however, Hochul, you lost the popular vote!

So you don't really have a case here, on the electoral college.

But you don't have a case.

If you're an American, you don't have a case on the electoral college anyway.

LIZ: Wait a second. Have we war gamed the scenario that you just proposed.

If there was an electoral college on the state level in California or on the state level in New York, what would the -- have we actually looked at a map here. If anybody has done this. Tag me on social media.

Because I am fascinated by this idea. I've not thought of this before. But I -- would we actually swing those states Republicans, if there was a state level?

STU: I bet we would. I bet we would.

You know, every time. Look at Wyoming.

Jackson Hole now controls Wyoming. Just controls it.

Who is -- who is so close to controlling Texas?

All the big cities.

You know, you don't have a chance. When these cities grow so large, they tip everything.

That's why we have an electoral college.

And it didn't used to be this way.

But our cities are becoming mega cities.

Almost states in and among themselves.

You -- you have to balance. Otherwise, the farmer and everybody else, that makes your life possible, in a city, gets screwed.

GLENN: And also think about cheating for a second. If you have a popular vote across the whole country, versus an electoral college system, it's a lot easier to impact the outcome of the entire presidential election because you can have one county somewhere with corrupt election officials.

And if they cheat by 10,000 votes, that could change the outcome of the election.

But if you're an electoral college, it doesn't necessarily.

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