Anita called The Glenn Beck Program Monday for a fiery discussion on Donald Trump, hoping to show her support for the real estate mogul was based on issues rather than his authoritarian personality.
What was the main reason for Trump getting Anita's vote of confidence? His stance on protecting the border and everything that entails---from crime to job loss in America. Anita also expressed her belief that Glenn hadn't covered the border issue enough, but Glenn quickly countered with the facts.
"I was calling for the impeachment of George W. Bush based on what he was doing on the border," Glenn explained. "So I have a very long, long history on what I believe is happening on the border."
The discussion took a turn south when Anita got personal. She complained about co-host Stu personally attacking Trump and followed it up with several personal attacks on Stu. Huh? Complaints about personal attacks followed with personal attacks?
In addition to the border issue, the topics of Donald Trump's clothing, Stu's high school graduation, abortion, the Holy Spirit and gang rape came up.
"These are the kind of circular arguments that you get," Glenn said about discussions with many Donald Trump supporters.
Enjoy this complimentary clip from The Glenn Beck Program:
Below is a rush transcript of this segment, it might contain errors:
GLENN: Laurie is in Delaware, and she's quite upset. And we want to lead with this. Hello, Laurie. Welcome to the program.
CALLER: Yes, hi, Glenn. It's Anita. Thank you for taking my call.
GLENN: Oh, I'm sorry.
CALLER: That's okay. And I really want to start out -- the reason why I called was when you were talking about the people that like Trump because he's an authoritarian figure. And I just want to set the record straight on that, Glenn. Because I think you're fair. I think Stu is the ringleader of hating Trump, and everyone else has fallen into -- right in behind him like little soldiers.
PAT: That's us. Yes.
CALLER: However, what Trump is doing right now to Cruz saying that he isn't liked because he can't get along, that's total deception. Cruz actually honors the oath that he took when he was elected into office. He actually obeys our laws, and he does want to serve we, the people.
And the reason why I haven't crossed Trump off the list has nothing to do with him being an authoritarian figure. It had everything to do with the fact that 94-plus million legal citizens are jobless. We are living below poverty level. I don't think that it's fair for people to be here illegally, ignore our laws, which they can't do in other countries, commit a crime, gang rape people -- and Hannity went into great depth on a lot of those people -- and then they're able to flee to sanctuary cities. I don't agree with that.
GLENN: Hold on just a second.
CALLER: And I don't think you would agree with that.
PAT: Of course not.
GLENN: Hold on, Anita. Of course we don't agree with that. We never have agreed with that.
PAT: And we've been talking about this --
GLENN: Since George Bush was in office. Early on.
PAT: Longer than Donald Trump. That's for sure.
GLENN: Yeah, we've been on this --
CALLER: Honestly you haven't, Glenn. That's why I get so upset.
GLENN: Excuse me. Hold on just a second. I gave you a chance to talk. Give me a second, please. Let me finish what I was saying.
I was calling for the impeachment of George W. Bush based on what he was doing on the border. So I have a very long, long history on what I believe is happening on the border. None of us are against any of that.
The question is, how do you get it done? Are you going to follow the Constitution, or are you just going to use the pen and the phone, as Barack Obama says?
CALLER: But, Glenn, honestly, I always feel that you listen to the Holy Spirit. And I feel because Stu is such a ringleader of hating Trump and making it personal. That's how he started. He started with putting down Trump's clothing line, his hair, his businesses, his TV show. When Glenn, you're a business owner. You have a TV show. You're going to be making movies. You have a clothing line. You can't -- Trump over those things.
GLENN: Okay. I have no problem -- okay. Laurie -- or, Anita --
PAT: I don't remember Stu ever saying anything about a clothing line. I own one of his ties. I don't have a problem with the clothing line.
CALLER: I'm talking about Stu.
STU: What did I say about his clothing line?
CALLER: Stu, that's one of the first things you said! That's when I thought, "Stu, you're making this personal. Why!"
STU: Wait. Can you explain to me what you're talking about?
GLENN: No, no.
STU: What have I said --
GLENN: Can you remember what he said specifically so we can track it down?
CALLER: Yes. And honestly, please, if there's any way that you can digitally type that in and bring that up.
GLENN: Yeah, if you can quote it, we can.
CALLER: Glenn, that's when I started posting on your Facebook.
STU: Stop.
GLENN: Anita, hold on a second. Please. We're trying to be reasonable. And there's no reason for you to get so upset here. Let's have a reasonable conversation.
If you can give us a quote, we can type it in, and we can find the quote. So do you remember kind of what he said about it?
CALLER: Yes. It was back when all this first started and Trump got in the race. Stu went on about his clothing -- who wants to wear his clothes? And he brought about his businesses. And he also brought up about his TV show. And that's when I actually posted on Facebook and I said, "Stu, you're making this personal. Please pray and ask God to direct you on this." I tried to be reasonable.
STU: Can this be like a debate where I get mentioned and I get 30 seconds to respond? Is that --
GLENN: Let him respond, and I'll talk to you too.
PAT: I need 30 seconds to speak too.
STU: You weren't specifically mentioned, Pat.
GLENN: Come on.
STU: No. The only thing I can ever remember talking about his clothing line, ever mentioning, was when the story came out that it was made in Mexico. That was the only thing I could ever remember --
CALLER: That wasn't the thing you said, Stu. Because that's when I started posting about you being a high school dropout because I got so mad at you over that.
STU: Stop. Hold on.
JEFFY: Am I going to get some time too?
STU: First of all, I made it through high school, clearly.
CALLER: Okay. Then it's wrong about you on Facebook, so you'll want to fix that then. Because that's what they have about you. So just have them fix that for you.
STU: What?
GLENN: Okay. I don't where you would see that. But I don't --
STU: Anyway --
GLENN: As we all learned this weekend, you can't always trust things on Facebook.
CALLER: Okay. But, Glenn, please stop saying that people are for Trump just because we didn't hate him because he's authoritarian. That's not true --
STU: That's not what the story said, Anita. That's not what it said.
GLENN: Anita, that's not what I said.
STU: The study said it was a statistically significant difference. It didn't say everyone who supports Trump believes in authoritarianism.
GLENN: It is a study. I am not saying it. It is a study, and it is significant difference between -- in fact, let me -- let me just quote the study.
Right here. Had been buoyed by Americans with authoritarian -- has been buoyed. Not driven by. Not all of them. Has been buoyed above all by Americans with authoritarian inclinations.
CALLER: Okay. And I go back to, again, Ted Cruz is respected because he honors his oath he took when he entered office.
GLENN: Yes.
CALLER: He obeys the laws, and he's also for we, the people. Now, that's why I like Ted Cruz. The reason why I like Trump is because he actually had the courage originally to stand up against those that were coming here illegally, which it is against the law -- that's illegal.
GLENN: So have a lot of people.
CALLER: And I don't feel that it's right to commit a crime, gang rape. Set people on fire. Then move to a sanctuary city.
GLENN: Hold on just a second. Neither does Ted Cruz.
STU: Bernie Sanders for that matter.
GLENN: Bernie Sanders doesn't think gang rapes are good. I was just understand your -- your passion that is so deep, I can hear it in your voice. You're very, very angry, and you're very angry at us. And I understand, okay.
CALLER: I'm disappointed in you, Glenn. That's the thing. Because I always feel that you listen to the Holy Spirit -- I feel like you're not!
GLENN: Listen to yourself. Listen to yourself. Listen to yourself. You might want to ask, if you believe that I do listen to the Spirit and you're being driven --
CALLER: Holy Spirit.
PAT: Yes.
GLENN: Yes. It's the same thing. If you believe that I listen to the Holy Spirit and you are being driven here with such anger, that you might want to question if you're hearing the Spirit. Because --
CALLER: Well, again, I don't like when you infer that anyone that was not --
GLENN: I never did. That's what you heard.
CALLER: -- because we like an authoritarian figure.
GLENN: No, that's what --
CALLER: That's so far off base, Glenn. That really is.
PAT: That's not what he said.
GLENN: That's what you heard. And you can have an opinion against this study, but it is a study that shows that -- a number of people, just like Barack Obama, there are a number of people that are the hard-core base -- that wouldn't include you because you say you're not part of his hard-core base. But I would kind of question that listening to your voice.
CALLER: Listen -- read all the comments on your Facebook page. I mean, you got to look at that.
GLENN: Yes.
CALLER: That's why I prayed over and over again, Glenn, please read. Please read. Ask the Holy Spirit to direct you.
PAT: I don't think the Holy Spirit is directing us to Facebook.
GLENN: And I don't think the Holy Spirit is directing me -- I don't believe the Holy Spirit would direct me to a man who behaves the way Donald Trump behaves. I'm sorry.
PAT: I don't think so.
CALLER: Okay. Glenn, did it scare you last night listening to the one minute of the opening statements from Hillary and O'Malley and --
GLENN: I don't believe the Holy Spirit plays the game of, "Well, you should be afraid of this person, and that way you should choose this person." The Holy Spirit will always direct you to do the right thing, even if it means your own persecution.
CALLER: Well, again, I believe that the things that Trump is saying about illegals, I'm 100 percent for that. I am. I don't feel that's fair.
PAT: That's great.
GLENN: That is good. So, Anita, are you --
CALLER: And go to sanctuary cities. That's wrong.
GLENN: Are you a one-issue voter? And that's fine if you are.
CALLER: Well, number one, for me, not killing our babies and cutting them into pieces when they have a beating heart at 18 days. I'm pro-life.
GLENN: Okay. So hang on just a second, Anita. Anita.
Could you play the audio, please, from Meet the Press on Donald Trump and partial-birth abortion? Listen to this.
PAT: Yeah, listen to this, Anita.
VOICE: Partial-birth abortion, the eliminating of abortion in the third trimester. Big issue in Washington. Would President Trump ban partial-birth abortion?
DONALD: Well, look, I'm -- I'm very pro-choice. I hate the concept of abortion. I hate it. I hate everything it stands for. I cringe when I listen to people debating the subject, but you still -- I just believe in choice.
PAT: Oh.
DONALD: And, again, it may be a little bit of a New York background, because there's some different attitude and some different parts of the country. And, you know, I was raised in New York. And I grew up and worked and everything else in New York City. But I am strongly for choice, and yet, I hate the concept of abortion.
GLENN: Okay.
CALLER: What year was that interview? 1997?
PAT: 1999.
GLENN: 1999. And can tell you me --
CALLER: Okay. Do you know why -- I'm going to be very honest? I was married, and I was 26. And I got an abortion. And do you know why? Until I was in college and I actually saw the film, The Silent Scream, and I actually was educated on the truth about partial-birth abortion, I also was pro-choice until God changed my heart.
GLENN: Anita, I think that's --
PAT: You have a pivot point, what's his?
GLENN: Anita, that is a brilliant statement. And I'm glad God changed your heart. And like Pat just said, "You can tell me what your pivot point is." You can describe it. What was the movie theater like? Or where did you see the Silent Scream? Where did you see it?
CALLER: It wasn't. It was actually when I was a student at the University of Delaware, and I wanted to do --
GLENN: Hold on. Please answer my question. Anita, please listen to me. Please just answer the question. Where did you see it? Can you tell me what the room looked like?
CALLER: It was actually at the University of Delaware. They had it there. The Silent Scream.
GLENN: Where was it? I understand. Please.
CALLER: It was called The Silent Scream.
GLENN: No. I know that. Anita, please listen to me. What did the room look like where you saw it?
CALLER: It was in the basement of the library at the University of Delaware.
GLENN: Okay. Were there a lot of lights or not very many lights?
CALLER: No. It was actually me watching it by myself.
GLENN: You were by yourself.
CALLER: Yes.
GLENN: And what was the chair like that you sat in?
CALLER: It was a regular chair that you have at a university setting. I don't remember every detail about that chair. All I remember was --
GLENN: Okay. Hold on. Please listen to me. Please listen to me. You remember pretty much everything about that moment. You may not know the details of that chair, but you remember what that room looked like. You can tell me everything about your pivot point. Can you tell me now, Anita, what the pivot point was with Donald Trump, where Donald Trump, just in the 2000s, and I believe right before the election of '08 was still very pro-choice and still after '08 talked about appointing somebody to the Supreme Court that is wildly pro-choice. Can you tell me what his pivot point was that we should now believe? Because I do believe in redemption. I do believe people change their mind. I do believe in pivot points. But you have to tell me what it was. What changed his mind?
CALLER: Okay. What about Ted Cruz's father?
GLENN: No, no. Can you tell me -- I can tell you his pivot point.
CALLER: -- Jesus his Savior, went and got his son and his wife, and they made it work, Glenn.
GLENN: Right. Exactly right. And what was his pivot point? Can you tell me what Rafael's pivot point was? He met a preacher, right?
CALLER: Who actually told him about Jesus. So why don't you give Trump the same opportunity to say --
GLENN: He's had it. He's had it. He's had it.
PAT: We gave him the choice.
GLENN: He's had it.
STU: In 2015, he wanted to appoint a Supreme Court justice that supports partial-birth abortion.
GLENN: 2015.
STU: 2015. Now, I know that's last year. So maybe we're supposed to excuse that too.
GLENN: There was something big that happened, Anita, between now and 2015 last year that was big enough to say, "I'm not for -- not just abortion, partial-birth abortion is what he was for." Now he's not for that. So tell me what it was?
CALLER: I know God changed my heart on the issue of life.
STU: On 2015, even 2015 we have to make these excuses?
GLENN: So let me say this. And Anita, if this doesn't ring to you, nothing will. And we're wasting our time. And we can bid each other a fond farewell. Donald Trump just said last summer that he hasn't done anything where he had to ask forgiveness for God. Nothing.
CALLER: I remember him saying that.
GLENN: You remember that?
CALLER: Yeah, I remember him saying that.
GLENN: He's never had to ask for forgiveness. If you are for and advocating partial-birth abortion and then you have something happen in your life, which we don't know about -- something happen in your life that is so jarring that in a six-month period, you can say, "I am not -- not only am I not for partial-birth abortion, I'm not for any abortion," something happened in your life. And it would drive you enough to your knees to say, "Lord, please forgive me for advocating for partial-birth abortion and all abortion. Please forgive me." If he can't tell you --
CALLER: Well, would you be willing to have Donald Trump on and say that? What you just said -- would you have him on and say that to him?
GLENN: Oh, dear God, Anita.
STU: We've invited him. He's refused.
PAT: He won't come on the show.
GLENN: He's refused. He won't come on. Because he doesn't have the balls to face actual questions.
STU: Obviously.
CALLER: Well, I don't think that's very Christ-like, you just saying that. And, again --
GLENN: Okay. Anita, I appreciate it.
STU: This is the level.
GLENN: Thank you so much, Anita. I appreciate it. These are the kinds of circular arguments that you get. And she claims not to be a Trump fan.
STU: Good heavens.
PAT: Jeez, man.
GLENN: Listen to what she's willing to accept.
PAT: And why?
GLENN: And talk to me about the Spirit.
JEFFY: The Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit.
GLENN: The Holy Spirit. Where he won't even ask for forgiveness from God. I am being lectured about the Spirit, and she has the full armor for him. It's amazing.
Don't tell me it's not about authoritarianism. She wants someone to pay for what's happening on the border. That's it.
(Later in the program)
GLENN: You found the clothing comment that you made?
STU: Yeah, she was right. I actually did talk about the clothing line, and I had not remembered this.
GLENN: This is a listener that just called in a few minutes ago, said she was very upset at Stu because he made it personal because he was talking about Donald Trump's clothing line, which wouldn't make it personal, would make it about his clothing line. But go ahead.
STU: Yeah. And here's what I -- Pat actually started it off talking about how Macy's dropped his clothing line.
JEFFY: Right.
STU: And then Pat said, "I mean, none of this legitimate. None of that should be happening." And then I did chime in there saying, "Right. It shouldn't happen. The second he becomes a Republican candidate, they all boycott him. He was saying this stuff before. Just now because he's a Republican candidate, they were all fired up about it."
PAT: So it's actually us standing up for his clothing line.
JEFFY: Listen to that hate.
PAT: Okay.
STU: We were actually defending him against the boycotts.
PAT: I will say this though, if your main issue is gang rape on the border -- and Anita seemed to be all fired up about gang rape -- maybe your guy is Ted Cruz who actually fought to get a guy who had committed gang rape and murder executed in Texas for it, while Bush, George W. Bush fought against him in the international courts.
GLENN: It was the country -- it was the beginning of my breaking point with George W. Bush was what was happening on the border. But that's a different story.
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