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The horrors of Planned Parenthood with Abby Johnson

September 16, 2015
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Former Planned Parenthood director Abby Johnson joined Glenn on radio Tuesday to relate some of the horrors she experienced while working for the now highly scrutinized organization.

At first, she said she became numb to everything she was doing, but then something happened that woke her up and changed her life.

Listen or read the transcript below.

Below is a rush transcript of this segment, it might contain errors.

GLENN: Now, I read a story about a woman named Abby Johnson. This is a remarkable, remarkable woman. She is a woman who went to work for Planned Parenthood, and she was named the employee of the year in 2008. She left in 2009 because of the things that she saw from the first day and then she grew numb to it and then she had an awakening. She joins us now. Welcome to the program, Abby Johnson.

ABBY: Thank you so much for having me on.

GLENN: I'm thrilled to meet you. I've read your story and I've read what you have said and what you have seen. And I find it remarkable. Could you just take us through some of the things -- I'd like you talk about the refrigerator and the -- and the security codes and everything else that just show how dark and demonic this is.

ABBY: Sure. Well, I worked at Planned Parenthood for eight years. I was their clinic director in Bryan/College Station, Texas. And, you know, I got -- I got into Planned Parenthood because I was basically told the talking points. I was told that they were there to help women, that we were there to help, you know, poor women get health care, and that abortion was just a really small part of what we did.

And, you know, honestly, it was what I didn't know about Planned Parenthood, that's what really got me into trouble. You know, I was raised pro-life. But, you know, we weren't activists of any sort. We didn't sit around the dinner table and talk about Planned Parenthood or what they did or anything like that.

And so once I started working there, I mean, that was really when the numbing began. You know, I remember being told after, you know, working there for a while that our alarm code was 2229 because that spelled "baby." And everybody in the office thought that was just so funny and so ironic.

And I remember in August of 2009, the year I left, we had a meeting -- a budget meeting with my -- with my supervisor, and I remember looking at the budget and thinking, "You know, something has to be wrong," because they were beginning to impose an abortion clinic quota, a certain number of abortions that we had to perform in order to meet our budget and in order to receive financial incentives, in order to receive bonuses. And that number had doubled from 2009 to 2010.

And that didn't make sense to me because, you know, I believed -- I told the media, I told my family, I told my friends that our goal at Planned Parenthood was to reduce the number of abortions. So, you know, if that were true, why in the world were we doubling our abortion clinic quota? And I remember saying something to my boss about it, and she just started laughing. And she said, "Well, we wouldn't want to reduce the number of abortions, Abby. This is how we make our money."

And, you know, at the time I didn't know if it was that the organization was changing or if it was that I was just finally high enough up in management now that I was seeing what the organization had been about all along. And that was profit, that was money.

And then ultimately, in September of 2009, I witnessed a live ultrasound-guided abortion procedure. And that's different than how we usually performed abortions inside of Planned Parenthood.

Planned Parenthood Federation of America, their standard is that abortions are performed in a blind manner. And so the abortionist will take a suction instrument and will just blindly poke around inside the woman's uterus until he thinks he has enough blood and tissue in a glass jar. That glass jar goes through a pass-through in the wall to a lab called the POC lab. Now, POC stands for "products of conception." That's obviously the baby, but you can't say "baby" inside of an abortion clinic. so we said "POC" or "pock," or if the staff was feeling funny, we said that it stood for "pieces of children."

And someone inside of the lab, called the POC technician, would reassemble the parts of the baby to ensure that everything was accounted for, to make sure that we didn't leave a head or a hand or a leg inside the woman's uterus. And then it would either go to a research company that was paying for us the baby's body parts. Or it would go into a -- into a freezer that we called the "nursery." And there it would wait until a group like Stericycle, a medical waste company would come and pick it up.

And that was just the way that I knew abortions to be performed day in and day out. There's about 3500 abortions performed every day in the United States. And so this doctor though that came from out of town, he was explaining that in his facility, he actually uses an ultrasound because, surprisingly enough, it's safer if a doctor can see what he's doing while he's performing surgery on a woman.

And my job during the abortion was to hold the ultrasound probe on the woman's abdomen. We did the dating, and we found that the baby was 13 weeks gestation. And I could see on the screen that it looked like a baby. It had all the parts of a baby. And I watched really just in horror as the baby began to recoil and move away from the abortion instruments. And the baby was fighting and struggling for its life.

And the doctor asked the technician to turn on the suction machine. And he said, "Beam me up, Scottie." And the machine was turned on. And, you know, I remember watching just part of this baby being suctioned into that -- that cannula, that suction tube.

And the very last thing I saw on the screen -- you know, x-ray on ultrasound, anything that's hard, anything that's dense tissue like a bone shows up as white, bright white, on the screen. And the last thing I saw was this little tiny backbone floating around in the woman's uterus, and finally I thought, "Go into the suction tube."

And, you know, I left the room that day just feeling sick, just feeling the numbness removed from my body. And I suddenly realized that this was a child in the womb. That there was humanity there. If there was humanity, that meant there was a human being. And if there was a human being, that meant that that child had human rights and should be given the rights of any -- any of us human beings.

And I knew that if there were human rights, then that child had infinite dignity and infinite worth and that I had to start standing up against abortion, against Planned Parenthood, against other abortion providers that were manipulating and coercing women into having abortion procedures. And so that's essentially what I do now.

GLENN: Abby, for you to do this, first of all, you're an amazing woman of courage. Because for you to do this, it requires you to damn yourself for the things that you were a part of, the things that you turned a blind eye to, and then you've had two abortions yourself.

ABBY: Uh-huh. Yeah, I have.

I -- you know, one of the -- you know, it's really crass to say. But one of the perks of working inside the abortion industry is that you can get free abortions if you find yourself pregnant. And I've had two abortions myself. One surgical abortion and 1RU46 abortion. And actually then got married and got pregnant with my daughter Grace.

And I remember being in the clinic and it was -- it was like a joke with my coworkers. You know, "Oh, Abby is pregnant." You know, I had nausea, typical morning sickness when I was pregnant with Grace. And, you know, every day, you know, if I would get sick at work, they would say, "Oh, you know, we can take care of that." And, you know, just sort of the callousness, you know, about the unborn, and even babies that are wanted. I mean, my baby was wanted. But it was just a big, sick joke in the clinic, you know. And I remember thinking -- when I got past 24 weeks, I thought, "Oh, I'm so glad I'm past 24 weeks because now it's too late for me to have an abortion, and now they'll stop making jokes about it."

GLENN: Did they?

ABBY: They did, for the most part. I mean, at that time, you know -- I mean, there's still -- you know, Dr. Warren Hern, in Boulder, Colorado, he will abort babies up until the date of birth. So, you know, every once in a while they would make a comment like, you know, "Oh, well, you know, it's not too late for Dr. Hern." But, you know, generally the comments sort of died down. And then eventually they had a baby shower for me inside the clinic after a busy abortion day.

GLENN: Unbelievable.

ABBY: So just the irony. It's completely lost on them inside the industry.

GLENN: What made -- just -- I read this line over and over and over again, and I couldn't believe that they call the freezer where they keep the body parts the "nursery." And how women could be this callous and this dark about something is remarkable, is truly remarkable.

Abby, you can find her story and you can find out how you can help her. Because she travels the world now speaking out about this. And she is a very clear voice on it. She runs AbbyJohnson.org. AbbyJohnson.org. But I would invite you to find out how you can help her. How can we help you, Abby? What can we do?

ABBY: Well, I mean -- about three years ago, I started an organization called And Then There Were None. And it is a ministry that reaches out to abortion clinic workers, those who are still in the industry. And, you know, we were -- I mean, we started looking around. I mean I thought, surely, you know, in 40 years of fighting Roe v. Wade, there is an organization out there nationally that is seeking to help abortion clinic workers leave. But there was nothing. There was none. And I knew there had to be workers like me that were in the industry that wanted to leave, but needed help. Needed assurance that somebody was going to help them find a job. That somebody --

GLENN: And is all of that information on your website?

ABBY: Yeah, and people can go to abortionworker.com. And in the past three years, we've had 181 abortion clinic workers leave the industry. And that includes sick abortionists who have permanently put down their instruments and now fight for life.

GLENN: Holy cow.

PAT: That is great. Wow.

GLENN: Abby, I would love to have you in the studio with us and spend an hour with you because I think you're fascinating and I think you're doing God's work, clearly. Find out more information at AbbyJohnson.org. Or is it abortion workers --

ABBY: Worker.com.

GLENN: Great. Thank you very much. Abby Johnson.

POLL: What topics do YOU want Trump and Harris to debate?

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Does Kamala Harris stand a chance against Donald Trump in a debate?

Next week, during the second presidential debate, we will find out. The debate is scheduled for September 10th and will be hosted by ABC anchors David Muir and Linsey Davis. This will be the second presidential debate, but the first for VP Kamala Harris, and will feature the same rules as the first debate. The rules are: no notes, no chairs, no live audience, and the debater's microphone will only be turned on when it is his or her turn to speak.

This will be the first time Trump and Harris clash face-to-face, and the outcome could have a massive effect on the outcome of the election. Trump has been preparing by ramping up his campaign schedule. He plans to hold multiple rallies and speak at several events across the next several days. He wants to be prepared to face any question that might come his way, and meeting and interacting with both voters and the press seems to be Trump's preferred preparation approach.

With the multitude of issues plaguing our nation, there are a lot of potential topics that could be brought up. From the economy to the ongoing "lawfare" being waged against the former president, what topics do YOU want Harris and Trump to debate?

The economy (and why the Biden-Harris administration hasn't fixed it yet)

The Southern Border crisis (and Kamala's performance as border czar)

Climate change (and how Trump pulled out of the Paris Agreement)

The "lawfare" being waged against Trump (and what Trump would do if he were thrown in prison) 

Voting and election security (and how to deal with the possibility that illegal immigrants are voting)

3 ways the Constitution foils progressive authoritarianism

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This is why it is important to understand our history.

Over the weekend, the New York Times published a controversial article claiming the Constitution is a danger to the country and a threat to democracy. To those who have taken a high school American government class or have followed Glenn for a while, this claim might seem incongruent with reality. That's because Jennifer Szalai, the author the piece, isn't thinking of the Constitution as it was intended to be—a restraint on government to protect individual rights—but instead as a roadblock that is hindering the installation of a progressive oligarchy.

Glenn recently covered this unbelievable article during his show and revealed the telling critiques Szalai made of our founding document. She called it an "anti-democratic" document and argued it is flawed because Donald Trump used it to become president (sort of like how every other president achieved their office). From here, Szalai went off the deep end and made some suggestions to "fix" the Constitution, including breaking California and other blue states away from the union to create a coastal progressive utopia.

Here are three of the "flaws" Szalai pointed out in the Constitution that interfere with the Left's authoritarian dreams:

1. The Electoral College

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The New York Times article brought up the fact that in 2016 President Trump lost the popular vote but won the Electoral College, and thus won the election. This, as Szalai pointed out, is not democratic. Strictly speaking, she is right. But as Glenn has pointed out time and time again, America is not a democracy! The Founding Fathers did not want the president to be decided by a simple majority of 51 percent of the population. The Electoral College is designed to provide minority groups with a voice, giving them a say in the presidential election. Without the Electoral College, a simple majority would dominate elections and America would fall under the tyranny of the masses.

2. The Supreme Court

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President Biden and other progressives have thrown around the idea of reforming the Supreme Court simply because it has made a few rulings they disagree with. Glenn points out that when a country decides to start monkeying around with their high courts, it is usually a sign they are becoming a banana republic. Szalai complained that Trump was allowed to appoint three justices. Two of them were confirmed by senators representing just 44 percent of the population, and they overturned Roe v. Wade. All of this is Constitutional by Szalai's admission, and because she disagreed with it, she argued the whole document should be scrapped.

3. Republicanism

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To clarify, were not talking about the Republican Party Republicanism, but instead the form of government made up of a collection of elected representatives who govern on the behalf of their constituents. This seems to be a repeat sticking point for liberals, who insist conservatives and Donald Trump are out to destroy "democracy" (a system of government that never existed in America). This mix-up explains Szalai's nonsensical interpretation of how the Constitution functions. She criticized the Constitution as "anti-democratic" and a threat to American democracy. If the Constitution is the nation's framework, and if it is "anti-democratic" then how is it a threat to American democracy? This paradox is easily avoided with the understanding that America isn't a democracy, and it never has been.

Kamala Harris' first interview as nominee: Three SHOCKING policy flips

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On Thursday, Kamala Harris gave her first interview since Joe Biden stepped down from the race, and it quickly becameclear why she waited so long.

Harris struggled to keep her story straight as CNN's Dana Bash questioned her about recent comments she had made that contradicted her previous policy statements. She kept on repeating that her "values haven't changed," but it is difficult to see how that can be true alongside her radical shift in policy. Either her values have changed or she is lying about her change in policy to win votes. You decide which seems more likely.

During the interview, Harris doubled down on her policy flip on fracking, the border, and even her use of the race card. Here are her top three flip-flops from the interview:

Fracking

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In 2019, during the 2020 presidential election, Harris pledged her full support behind a federal ban on fracking during a town hall event. But, during the DNC and again in this recent interview, Harris insisted that she is now opposed to the idea. The idea of banning fracking has been floated for a while now due to environmental concerns surrounding the controversial oil drilling method. Bans on fracking are opposed by many conservatives as it would greatly limit the production of oil in America, thus driving up gas prices across the nation. It seems Harris took this stance to win over moderates and to keep gas prices down, but who knows how she will behave once in office?

Border

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In her 2020 presidential bid, Harris was all for decriminalizing the border, but now she is singing a different tune. Harris claimed she is determined to secure the border—as if like she had always been a stalwart defender of the southern states. Despite this policy reversal, Harris claimed her values have not changed, which is hard to reconcile. The interviewer even offered Kamala a graceful out by suggesting she had learned more about the situation during her VP tenure, but Kamala insisted she had not changed.

Race

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When asked to respond to Trump's comments regarding the sudden emergence of Kamala's black ancestry Kamala simply answered "Same old tired playbook, next question" instead of jumping on the opportunity to play the race card as one might expect. While skipping the critical race theory lecture was refreshing, it came as a shock coming from the candidate representing the "everything is racist" party. Was this just a way to deflect the question back on Trump, or have the Democrats decided the race card isn't working anymore?

The REAL questions that CNN should ask Kamala tonight

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The Democrats don't want the American people to know who they are voting for. It has been well over a month since Biden dropped out of the presidential race and Kamala was hastily installed in his place. During that time, Kamala has not given a single interview.

The Democrats' intention is clear: they have spent the last month gaslighting the American left into believing that Kamala is their new "super-candidate." Now that they've taken the bait, they can allow Kamala to take a softball interview to combat accusations from the Right.

Kamala's first interview will be hosted by Dana Bash on CNN and is scheduled for 9:00 p.m. ET tonight. Kamala will be joined by her running mate, Tim Walz, for an unusual interview. Between the tag-team approach and the more-than-sympathetic interviewer, it's almost certain that this will not be a particularly substantial interview full of easy, soft-ball, questions.

The American people deserve to know who is on the ballot, and that means that they should be able to see how their candidates stand up against tough questions. Here are five questions that CNN should ask Kamala tonight:

Will she build a border wall?

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After years of bashing Trump for his proposed border wall, Kamala has suddenly changed her mind. During the DNC, Kamala pledged to support a bill that included money for a border wall and other border security measures. This change seems like a knee-jerk response to recent criticisms made about her abysmal performance as the "border czar." The question is: how genuine is it?

What is her stance on the Israel-Hamas war?

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Kamala has been mushy on the issue of the Israel-Hamas war so far. She said that she would support Israel while simultaneously expressing sympathy for the Palestinians in Gaza. With mounting pro-Hamas support within the American left, just how far is Kamala willing to go?

How does she explain defending Biden against allegations that he was too old for office now that those allegations have proven true?

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For the last four years, Kamala and the entire mainstream media have vehemently defended President Biden's mental fitness, despite countless incidents that indicated otherwise. After Biden's senile performance at the June presidential debate, the truth couldn't be hidden any longer, and Kamala was quickly swapped into his place. Now that the cat's out of the bag, how does Kamala justify her lies to protect the incompetent president?

How does she plan on fixing the economy, and why hasn't she already done it?

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Kamala has claimed that she could lower consumer prices starting on the first day of her administration, accompanied by other promises to fix the economy. So why the wait? If she knows how to fix the economy that is causing so many Americans to suffer, can't she do something right now as the Vice President? Why has the economy only gotten worse within her three-year tenure in the White House?

Why does she keep flipping on her policies? Where does it stop?

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As mentioned above, Kamala has already changed her stance on a border wall, but it doesn't end there. During her 2019 presidential campaign, Kamala vowed to end fracking, a controversial method of drilling for oil, in the name of climate change. But now it seems her position has softened, with no mention of a fracking ban. Why does she keep changing her stance on these major policies? What other policies has she changed without any indication? Why has she so far failed to produce a clear campaign platform?