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Glenn's powerful interview with NRA member seeking to oust Grover Norquist from NRA board

August 26, 2015
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On radio Wednesday, Glenn spoke with Stu Weber, a life-time NRA member, who has taken matters into his own hands in starting a petition to recall Grover Norquist from the NRA board.

This fascinated Glenn, who said Norquist is among the "top ten most dangerous men in America on the right because you don't see him coming."

Listen to the exchange or read the transcript below.

Below is a rush transcript of this segment, it might contain errors.

GLENN: Grover Norquist is a guy that honestly when the left used to say, you know, Grover Norquist, he's a bad guy. He's a real puppet master. I was like, I don't even know who Grover Norquist is. We used to ridicule people who said he was a bad guy.

PAT: We used to do Grover Sesame jokes.

GLENN: Right. Because he --

PAT: Silly to us.

GLENN: Like a lizzie (phonetic). Then we found out who Grover Norquist is. Grover Norquist, most people just think of him as a low tax guy or a free market guy. He's a very dangerous guy. Very dangerous. I believe on the right, he is one of the more dangerous people on the right. Probably top ten most dangerous men in America on the right because you don't see him coming. You don't know who he is or what he's capable of or really what his viewpoint is. He's done so much to enable the Muslim Brotherhood and radicalized Islam here in America, that it is -- it's inexcusable and there's no way -- I mean, we had him on the show. And took him apart. And there's no way to answer logically anything that he is trying to defend. He is friends with some of the worst people in the world, and business associates.

So, anyway, we did this exposé and the NRA is doing an investigation on him. And somebody brought to my attention a new website called Recall Grover Norquist. I think it's called recallGrover.com. And Stu Weber is the guy who started this. And we wanted to get him on. Hi, Stu, how are you?

STU WEBER: I'm very fine, Glenn. A little intimidated talking to the king of talk, you know.

GLENN: Yeah, I know. Well, you going to be talking to Rush later? Because now you're just talking to me.

So, Stu, tell me why you're doing this.

STU WEBER: Well, I'm one of the little people that's in that phrase, we, the people. I live out here in the northwest, have all my life, except when I went to college in Vietnam. And I love my country, and I appreciate the NRA. And I read a lot. I enjoy Bonhoeffer as you do. I remember his statement, not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act. And I have breakfast every week with two or three guys, who -- we just talk about personal growth issues and concerns. And we finally decided one day, it's time to stop talking, and it's time to do something. So each of us picked a task. And mine ended up being, I'll help the NRA focus on its mission today at a crucial point in our 2016 election cycle and not get distracted by things like Grover.

GLENN: Grover has temporarily stepped aside while this investigation is going on. But it's going to be a long, drawn-out thing. And expensive. And that's the one thing that really kills me with the NRA is that it's really expensive. And they need to focus on winning an election.

STU WEBER: That's where I'm at.

GLENN: Okay. But you're not just trying to get -- you know who Grover is? I mean, why is --

STU WEBER: Well, I've done a lot of reading about Islam. So when I see certain names in association with certain people, it raises my eyebrows. To start at the very beginning, I believe in the Constitution. I took an oath to defend it. It never expires. And I particularly value the first and second amendments because there wouldn't have been a Constitution ratified without them.

And the first one is my freedom of religion and faith and assembly and speech and press. And the second one is the ability to defend it. So those two are very important to me. And that makes the NRA very important to me.

And I happen to know from reading, there is no freedom of religion in Islam. It's, by definition, a state religion. It's a totalitarian way of life. It dictates the religious, economic, social, military, political lives of all the people. It's called a caliphate, a single word. And that's very scary to me.

And then in 2005, I was reading a book by a guy named Paul Sperry called Infiltration: How Muslim Subversives Have Penetrated Washington. And it was scary. It was real. And there was an entire chapter, maybe even a little more than a chapter devoted to Mr. Norquist, whose name to me at that time was just as you described earlier, a conservative tax guy. And I liked that a whole lot. So I was a little surprised by what I read there in 2005. And now it's been years.

GLENN: And nobody has done anything.

STU WEBER: It's an old adage, tell me who your friends are, and I'll tell you who you are. And that's what's so scary to me.

GLENN: Exactly. So how can we help you? What has to be done? How does this work?

STU WEBER: Well, thank you. It's all spelled out in the bylaws of the NRA. They're available in different spots on the web. But I think --

GLENN: You're not with the NRA?

STU WEBER: No, no.

GLENN: You're just a member.

STU WEBER: I'm just a member. I think I initially joined probably in the '70s. I forget. And I have never really done anything with the NRA except read the magazines. But when I kind of vowed to take some action, this one came to mind.

So all we have to do, according to the bylaws, is get 450 life members or 450 people who have been a member of the NRA for five years or more to sign a petition to recall an individual. And those 450 petitioners, there needs to be at least 100 from three different states. So I encourage all my friends to grab all their friends that live nearby and get them to sign this.

And all we have to do is go on that website that's recallGrover.com. And it's only a one-page thing. It's not complicated. There's only two little press points. One gives you a summarizing link of all the research that reflects some of those associations that you've referred to that Mr. Norquist has. It's phenomenal. And the people that I think you've mentioned them in the past, that put this together are amazing kinds of people, like a former US Attorney General, like CIA Director James Woolsey, who, by the way, I had the privilege of sitting in a national security seminar and listening to him at the Army War College years ago. Brilliant, thoughtful, patriot, wise. And I know he feels pretty strongly about Grover. And I happen to know Jerry Boykin as well. And they both signed this letter, along with eight other highly credible, professional, intelligent practitioners. They know what they're talking about. And you can't just dismiss them like children on a playground saying nah, nah, nah -- into calling names.

So the petition is 450 names. We need to fill them out correctly. All you do is press the -- get the information on that one little link there. Then download the form. Then fill out the form correctly. All it needs is your name and your membership number. But it needs to be the name that you have with the NRA, like their records. Your address. Your signature. And sign it and date it. And snail mail it to the NRA. It's that simple.

GLENN: I mailed mine yesterday. So you know.

STU WEBER: I did too.

STU: What happens when you get the 450 petitions that make it to the NRA?

STU WEBER: Well, by the bylaws, the board calls together a special hearing committee, and they review the petition to make sure they're all qualified people. And then they go ahead, and this hearing committee makes a recommendation to the board. And there's published in the NRA magazine issue that follows, a ballot. And -- so all we're trying to do is get NRA members to have a voice. I mean, they're members. And we're not trying to indict anybody or convict anybody or send anybody to prison or any media fanfare. We just want to give the guys a voice and remove this distraction and expense, which is killing the NRA at a crucial time.

GLENN: What I understand it will do is, it will bring it to the NRA. The NRA then has the board look at the charges. And then they say, yes, we think he should be removed, or no, we don't. Then that's published in the magazine. Then it goes to a general vote, right?

STU WEBER: Yes, that's my understanding, as well.

GLENN: Okay. Stu, thank you very much. And I appreciate it. Thank you for standing. This is exactly what we've been talking about, is just regular people, not waiting around. Like you said, just sitting with three friends. And you're all like, I'm going to do something. What is my thing I'm going to do?

STU WEBER: Yep. Exactly. I'm with you. And I appreciate you. And I thank you for supporting us this way with a little opportunity to put the website out there.

GLENN: You bet. When are these due?

STU WEBER: Yeah. Crucial, crucial question. I'm sorry I hadn't mentioned it before. We have to have all this done and all the petitions into the NRA headquarters in Fairfax, Virginia, by September 14th. Basically in two weeks.

GLENN: So you got to do it today.

STU WEBER: You got to do it today.

GLENN: Go to recallGrover.com. RecallGrover.com. Fill it out. We need 450. They have to be filled out exactly right.

STU WEBER: Yes.

GLENN: And then that process will go through. Stu, thank you very much.

STU WEBER: Thank you.

GLENN: I'm with you, brother. Thank you. RecallGrover.com.

Featured Image: Grover Norquist, founder and president of Americans for Tax Reform, participates in a session on "Strategic Communication" at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) at National Harbor, Maryland, outside Washington, on February 26, 2015. AFP PHOTO/NICHOLAS KAMM (Photo credit should read NICHOLAS KAMM/AFP/Getty Images)

The Deep State's NEW plan to backstab Trump

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We cannot make the same mistake we made in 2016 — celebrating victory while the deep state plots its next move.

In 2016, Donald Trump shocked the world by defeating Hillary Clinton. Conservatives cheered, believing we’d taken back the reins of our country. But we missed the bigger battle. We failed to recognize the extent of the damage caused by eight years of Barack Obama and decades of progressive entrenchment. The real war isn’t won at the ballot box. It’s being waged against an insidious force embedded deep within our institutions: the administrative state, or the “deep state.”

This isn’t a new problem. America’s founders foresaw it, though they didn’t have a term for “deep state” back in the 1700s. James Madison, in Federalist 48, warned us that combining legislative, executive, and judicial powers in the same hands is “the very definition of tyranny.” Yet today, that’s exactly where we stand. Unelected bureaucrats in agencies like the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Energy, and the Department of Justice hold more power than the officials we vote for. They control the levers of government with impunity, dictating policies and stifling change.

This is the fight for the soul of our nation. The founders’ vision of a constitutional republic is under siege.

We’ve felt the consequences of this growing tyranny firsthand. During COVID-19, so-called experts ran our lives, crushing civil liberties under the guise of public safety. Our intelligence agencies and justice system turned into weapons of political warfare, targeting a sitting president and his supporters. Meanwhile, actual criminals were given a pass, turning American cities into lawless war zones.

Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1816 that “the functionaries of every government have propensities to command at will the liberty and property of their constituents.” Today, we see Jefferson’s prophecy fulfilled. The deep state exercises unchecked power over our freedoms, and information itself is controlled by the fourth branch of government: the legacy media.

Even when we win elections, the deep state doesn’t concede defeat. It switches to survival mode. Trump’s first term proved this. Despite a historic mandate to dismantle the bureaucracy, the deep state fought back with everything it had: leaks, investigations, court rulings, and obstruction at every turn. And now, with the possibility of Trump returning to office, the deep state is preparing to do it again.

Progressives are laying out their attack plan — and they’re not even hiding it.

U.S. Rep. Wiley Nickel (D-N.C.) recently boasted about forming a “shadow cabinet” to govern alongside the deep state, regardless of who’s in the White House. Nickel called it “democracy’s insurance policy.” Let’s be clear: This isn’t insurance. It’s sabotage.

They’ll employ a “top down, bottom up, inside out” strategy to overwhelm and collapse any effort to reform the system. From the top, federal judges and shadow officials will block Trump’s every move. Governors in blue states like California and New York are gearing up to resist federal authority. During Trump’s first term, California filed over 100 lawsuits against his administration. Expect more of the same starting January 20.

From the bottom, progressive groups like the American Civil Liberties Union will flood the streets with protesters, much as they did to oppose Trump’s first-term immigration reforms. They’ve refined their tactics since 2016 and are prepared to unleash a wave of civil unrest. These aren’t spontaneous movements; they’re coordinated assaults designed to destabilize the administration.

Finally, from the inside, the deep state will continue its mission of self-preservation. Agencies will drag their feet, leak sensitive information, and undermine policies from within. Their goal is to make everything a chaotic mess, so the heart of their power — the bureaucratic core — remains untouched and grows stronger.

We cannot make the same mistake we made in 2016 — celebrating victory while the deep state plots its next move. Progressives never see themselves as losing. When they’re out of power, they simply shift tactics, pumping more blood into their bureaucratic heart. We may win elections, but the war against the deep state will only intensify. As George Washington warned in his Farewell Address, “Government is not reason, it is not eloquence — it is force; and force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.”

This is the fight for the soul of our nation. The founders’ vision of a constitutional republic is under siege. The deep state has shown us its plan: to govern from the shadows, circumventing the will of the people. But now that the shadows have been exposed, we have a choice. Will we accept this silent tyranny, or will we demand accountability and reclaim our nation’s heart?

The battle is just beginning. We can’t afford to lose.

Editor's Note: This article was originally published on TheBlaze.com.

Drone mystery exposes GLARING government incompetence

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The drone issue is getting way out of hand.

Earlier this month, Glenn first reported on the mysterious drones stalking the night sky over New Jersey, but the situation is increasingly concerning as the sightings have escalated. Not only have drones been seen across the Northeast Coast, including over New York City, Maryland, and Pennsylvania, but recently, they have been spotted over the night skies of San Diego and other parts of Southern California.

It doesn't take an expert to identify the potential dangers and risks that dozens of undetectable, unidentified six-foot or larger drones pose to national security. Yet, our government's response has been one of unimaginable incompetence, leaving us to speculate on the origin and intention of these drones and wonder in astonishment at the government's ineptitude. Here are three examples of the government's lackluster response to the mystery drones:

Iranian Mothership and Missing Nuclear Warheads

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After several weeks of hubbub, New Jersey Representative, Jeff Van Drew gave an interview on Fox News where he claimed that the drones originated from an Iranian "mothership" off the East Coast of the United States. This theory has since been disproven by satellite images, which show that all Iranian drone carriers are far from U.S. shores. Another theory suggests that drones may be equipped with sensors capable of detecting nuclear material and that they are looking for a nuclear warhead that recently went missing! With these apocalyptic theories gaining traction in the absence of any real answer from our government, one can't help but question the motive behind the silence.

Pentagon's Limp Wristed Response

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In a recent press conference, national security spokesman John Kirby responded to reporters demanding answers about the government's lack of transparency, which has caused increasing public anxiety. He insisted that the drones did not pose a threat and were not assets of a foreign power, such as from Iran or China--even though he is still uncertain about their identity and origin. He also claimed that many of the sightings were simply misidentifications of normal aircraft.

This lackluster answer has only further inflamed national anxieties and raised even more questions. If the government is unsure of the identity of the drones, how do they know if they are a threat or if they aren't foreign assets? If they aren't foreign, does that mean they are U.S. assets? If so, why not just say so?

The Pentagon has also stated that they are leaving it up to local law enforcement to spearhead the investigation after concluding that these drones pose no threat to any military installation. This has left many feeling like the federal government has turned a blind eye to a serious issue that many Americans are very concerned about.

Where's Pete Buttigieg?

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We are in the closing weeks of the Biden administration, and with the finish line in sight, Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg probably figured nothing else could go wrong on his watch—but boy was he wrong. As Secretary of Transportation, Buttigieg is in charge of the FAA, the agency responsible for managing all air traffic across the nation. One would think that mysterious, 6-foot-long, seemingly intractable drones are invisible on radar and flying above major cities would pose a serious threat to the myriad of legal aircraft that traverse our skies. Yet, Buttigieg has been silent on the issue, adding another failure to his resume which includes: malfunctioning airplanes, the train derailment in Ohio, and the Baltimore Key Bridge collapse, just to name a few.

Glenn: How Alvin Bragg turned hero Daniel Penny into a villain

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We cannot allow corrupt institutions to punish those who act to protect life and liberty.

America no longer has a single, shared understanding of justice. Two Americas now exist, each applying justice differently depending on who you are and where you live. One America, ruled by common sense and individual courage, praises heroes who stand up to protect others. The other, driven by political agendas and corrupted institutions, punishes those same heroes for daring to act.

This stark division couldn’t be clearer than in the case of Daniel Penny, the Marine whose trial in New York City this week drew strong reactions from both sides across the divided line of justice.

If we let this slide, we accept a world in which heroes are treated as criminals and the law is a weapon for ideological warfare.

Penny was on a subway train last year when Jordan Neely — a man suffering from severe mental illness and reportedly high on drugs — began threatening passengers, saying, “I’m going to kill you all.” The fear on that subway car was palpable, but nobody moved. Nobody, that is, until Penny did what needed to be done. He took action to protect innocent lives.

In the America many of us used to believe in, Penny’s response would be heralded as heroic. His actions mirrored the courage of Todd Beamer on Flight 93, who, on September 11, 2001, rallied others with the words, “Let’s roll,” to prevent further tragedy. But in New York, courage doesn’t seem to count anymore. There, the system turns heroes into villains.

Penny subdued Neely using a chokehold, intending only to restrain him, not kill him. Tragically, Neely died. Penny, filled with remorse, told the police he never meant to hurt anyone. Yet, instead of being recognized for protecting others from a clear and present threat, Penny stood trial for criminally negligent homicide.

In Alvin Bragg’s New York, justice bends to ideology. The Manhattan district attorney has made a career of weaponizing the law, selectively prosecuting those who don’t fit his narrative. He’s the same prosecutor who twisted legal precedent to go after Donald Trump on business charges no one had ever faced before. Then, he turned his sights on Daniel Penny.

A jury may have acquitted Penny, but what happened in New York City this week isn’t justice. When the rule of law changes depending on the defendant’s identity or the prosecutor's political motives, we’re no longer living in a free country. We’re living in a state where justice is a game, and ordinary Americans are the pawns.

The system failed Jordan Neely

It’s worth asking: Where were activists like Alvin Bragg when Neely was suffering on the streets? Jordan Neely was a tragic figure — a man with a long history of mental illness and over 40 arrests, including violent assaults. The system failed him long before he stepped onto that subway train. Yet rather than confront that uncomfortable truth, Bragg’s office decided to target the man who stepped in to prevent a tragedy.

This isn’t about justice. It’s about power. It’s about advancing a narrative where race and identity matter more than truth and common sense.

It’s time to demand change

The Daniel Penny case — and others like it — is a wake-up call. We cannot allow corrupt institutions to punish those who act to protect life and liberty. Americans must demand an end to politically driven prosecutions, hold DAs like Alvin Bragg accountable, and stand up for the principle that true justice is blind, consistent, and fair.

If we let this slide, we accept a world in which heroes are treated as criminals and the law is a weapon for ideological warfare. It’s time to choose which America we want to live in.

Editor's Note: This article was originally published on TheBlaze.com.

CEO Brian Thompson's killer reveals COWARDICE of the far-left death cult

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Early on the chilly morning of Wednesday, December 4th, Brian Thompson, CEO of health insurance giant, UnitedHealthcare, was walking through Midtown Manhattan on his way to a company conference. Suddenly, a masked and hooded figure silently allegedly stepped onto the sidewalk behind Thompson, drew a 3-D printed, silenced pistol, and without warning fired multiple shots into Thompson's back before fleeing the scene on an electric bicycle. After a multiple-day manhunt, a 26-year-old lead suspect was arrested at a McDonald's in Altoona, Pennsylvania after being recognized by an employee.

This was not "vigilante justice." This was cold-blooded murder.

As horrific as the murder of a husband and father in broad daylight in the center of New York City is, the story only gets worse. Even before the murder suspect was arrested, left-wing extremists were already taking to X to call him a "hero" and a "vigilante" who "took matters into his own hands." Even the mainstream media joined in on the glorification, as Glenn pointed out on air recently, going out of the way to show how physically attractive the murder suspect was. This wave of revolting and nihilistic fanfare came in response to the findings of online investigators who surmised the murder suspect's motives to retaliate against healthcare companies for corruption and denied coverage. The murder suspect supposedly underwent a major back surgery that left him with back pain, and some of his internet fans apparently viewed his murder of Thompson as retribution for the mistreatment that he and many other Americans have suffered from healthcare companies.

The murder suspect and his lackeys don't seem to understand that, other than depriving two children of their father right before Christmas, he accomplished nothing.

The murder suspect failed to achieve his goal because he was too cowardly to try.

If the murder suspect's goals were truly to "right the wrongs" of the U.S. healthcare system, he had every tool available to him to do so in a constructive and meaningful manner. He came from a wealthy and prominent family in the Baltimore area, became the valedictorian at a prestigious all-boys prep school, and graduated from the University of Pennsylvania with a master's in engineering. Clearly, the murder suspect was intelligent and capable, and if he had put his talent into creating solutions for the healthcare industry, who knows what he could have accomplished?

This is the kind of behavior the far-left idolizes, like communists on college campuses who wear shirts that celebrate the brutal Cuban warlord, Che Guevara. Merchandise celebrating the UnitedHealthcare CEO murder suspect is already available, including shirts, hoodies, mugs, and even Christmas ornaments. Will they be sporting his face on their T-shirts too?

This macabre behavior does not breed creation, achievement, success, or life. It only brings death and risks more Americans falling into this dangerous paradigm. But we still have a chance to choose life. We just have to wake up and take it.