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Charlie's Last Stand: Terri Schiavo's Brother Calls From London With an Update on Charlie Gard

Should the government be able to choose when a child dies? The parents of Charlie Gard are fighting tooth and nail for their parental in Britain’s High Court to determine just that.

Bobby Schindler, brother of Terri Schiavo and founder of LifeAndHope.com, joined Glenn on radio Thursday to talk about the tragic Charlie Gard story.

Charlie is an 11-month-old baby in London with a rare genetic condition that doctors say is terminal. His parents want to take him to the U.S. for experimental medical care and have raised the money to do it, but the European Court of Human Rights has ordered the hospital to remove his life support so he can die “with dignity.”

Schindler understands all too well a court ordering your loved one to death. Terri Schiavo went into a coma in 1990, living in a mostly unresponsive state for 15 years. When her family fought to keep her alive, her case became a flashpoint for the “right to die” debate concerning patients on life support. Michael Schiavo, Terri’s husband, won the case and had her feeding tube removed in March 2005. She died 13 days later.

Visiting Charlie’s parents in London, Schindler noticed the toll the ordeal had taken on the couple.

“This is just day-to-day torture for them, not knowing,” Schindler said.

Schindler theorized that the U.K. hospital can’t take the risk of releasing the child to the U.S. for experimental treatment and their diagnosis being proven wrong. Charlie’s parents raised more than $1 million to take him to the U.S. for treatment, and President Donald Trump has offered U.S. assistance. The Vatican children’s hospital in Rome has also offered to provide care.

During today's court hearing, Charlie's parents stormed out of court after reacting to comments made by the judge. They returned about an hour later.

GLENN: The parents of a baby that has been born with a rare disease returned to court today in London, hoping for a fresh analysis of their wish to take their critically ill child to the United States for treatment. The United States has doctors that will treat. They have money to treat. The Vatican and the pope have said, "We'll give the parents and the baby a passport for the Vatican so we can take the child out and transfer him even to the -- the Vatican hospital in Rome." For some reason, the government health care system -- and I hate to break it to you, but this is what we spoke of when we talked about death panels. The court system, along with the doctors, have decided there's no chance for this baby to live. And even if they have the money, they are not allowed to take the child out of the hospital and get any treatment anyplace else. I have to tell you, if that were my child -- I said yesterday that I would relinquish my citizenship in that country, and I would never return home again.

I said that to Jason, a friend of ours, yesterday. He said, "Are you kidding me? I'm sorry. But I would grab a gun, and I would free my child from the hospital." You wouldn't get away with that, and that would be a very bad idea. But wouldn't you feel that way?

We have Bobby Schindler on. He is Terri Schiavo's brother. He founded the Terri Schiavo Life and Hope Network. If you believe in life and you know what's going on, you're paying attention at all, get involved at lifeandhope.com. Lifeandhope.com.

Bobby, welcome to the program.

BOBBY: Hey, Glenn, thanks for having me. It's good to talk to you.

GLENN: You are in London right now?

BOBBY: Actually, I was over there for four days. I had to get back -- I got back on Tuesday. Back in the states. But I was over there, and I visited with the parents for a few days. And I also had the opportunity to visit with that Charlie.

GLENN: So, Bobby, what is happening with Charlie? How are the parents, first of all?

BOBBY: Well, as you can imagine, Glenn, this is just day-to-day torture for them, not knowing if today or tomorrow is going to be the day where the hospital removes his ventilator. So you can tell it's taking its toll. But they're a strong -- they're a strong couple. They're very humble. They're fighting for the life of their child. And I think why they're getting so much support is because parents can relate to what they're going through, as you just alluded to when you were talking about the case.

GLENN: Bobby, what do they do for a living? What kind of people are there? Are they upper class, middle class, lower class? Who are they?

BOBBY: Yeah, I'm not sure. Just blue-collar. I think Connie was just a stay-at-home mom. I'm not exactly sure what the father was doing. But he hasn't worked in several weeks now, just really being attentive to the struggle that they're going through. And I certainly could sympathize and empathize, just this turmoil and just as I said, this torture they're experiencing right now.

GLENN: Bobby, I remember when we were in Tampa together. And at first, I was on the other side of your sister's argument. And then I actually did my homework and woke up and met you guys. And I'll never forget the look on -- in your mother's eyes and your father's eyes. And even you, for a long time even after, you just -- you look tired. Your whole family. Your sister, everybody, just tired.

And I remember in Tampa how the sides had been drawn. And the people who were chanting for your sister to die was -- it was surreal. It was -- it was almost, quite honestly, like what's happening now between, you know, political rivals, where just -- the hatred on one side was so strong. Is that happening with his parents?

How are the people in London and England responding to this?

BOBBY: Well, first, I got to say, Glenn, that this type of thing that Charlie's parents are going through is happening here in the states. We've been doing this for 12 years after Terry died. And we're seeing this, this erosion of our medical rights, parental rights. It's taking place more and more across countless health care facilities in our country.

But what I -- there's a disconnect, Glenn. I was in a hearing on Monday, and I was watching these attorneys for the hospital argue their case. And --

GLENN: What is their case?

BOBBY: Completely unsympathetic, Glenn. It was just coldheartedness. And it was the same type of position that I saw taken with the people that were representing Michael, trying to end my sister's life. They're just -- I don't know how to explain it, other than there's a disconnect I think to really the value of life or the dignity of life or the preciousness of this little child and the treatment that's available for him.

GLENN: Okay. So here -- in your sister's case -- and I don't mean to be callous, but we've had these kinds of conversations before. And you've heard them a million times.

In your sister's case, people could see themselves as your sister and say, "I wouldn't want to live that way." And that's -- that was the thing that motivated so many people, is I wouldn't want to live that way.

And even though the family -- your family offered to take her into the home to care for her, to cover all the costs. You wanted nothing, but your sister to have a chance to have therapy and to live.

People picked sides because they were afraid of -- of having to linger themselves, I really believe.

Here, the family has great doctors overseas. They have the money. They have everything.

What is the -- and usually, people don't say -- look at a child and say, oh, we got to kill him.

What is the -- what's the emotional attachment that the hospital is using to sell this killing?

BOBBY: Well, perhaps I'm oversimplifying it, Glenn. And this is just my opinion. But if you look at -- they diagnosed this boy in the beginning as having no chance, and no treatment was going to help him. Now doctors come along. And I think there's more than one doctor that's come along and said, there is treatment available that will help him. That will help this little boy.

Now, that put the hospital in a terrible and a very dangerous situation. Because if they release him and they allow this treatment to -- they provide or allow the parents to provide this treatment and Charlie improves, well, now they have to sit back and defend themselves why they made this poor diagnosis in the first place. So I think they're scared to death of him possibly getting help or improving from treatment that's available after they basically said this poor boy is suffering. Nothing is ever going to help him.

GLENN: That's a pretty -- I mean, Mike (sic), let me just play devil's advocate. Talking to Bobby Schindler, Terry Schiavo's bother, who is the founder of lifeandhope.com and deals with these issues.

That's a pretty horrible way to look at doctors. I mean, are doctors really at that place with children?

BOBBY: Well, that's my interpretation. But it makes sense to me. And also, think about it this way, Glenn. If they are wrong and Charlie does improve from treatment out there, think about all the other families now that are being cared for in that hospital. They're going to start questioning. Perhaps they don't agree with the diagnosis that they're getting for their child because it is a children's hospital. So they now might have to face more and more parents questioning diagnoses that are coming from the doctor to the hospital. So I think there's a lot at stake here. And I think it's in the hospital's best interest, not to see Charlie get better. And that's the only way I can explain why they're fighting so hard to kill this kid, when there's treatment -- Glenn, when I was fighting for my sister and we were on the media, I got to tell you, most of the media was taking Michael's side and asking those questions you were just raising. When I was doing media interviews over in London this week -- and I did quite a few of them -- I was -- they were on our side. I mean, not my side. They were on the parents' side and Charlie's side. Nobody could understand why the hospital -- well, they were all defending Charlie. So the interviews were pretty easy because the media wasn't asking me any of the tough questions, like they were for my sister. And they were in agreement for wanting to get Charlie the help that's out for them.

GLENN: Wow. Wow.

Bobby, you said a minute ago that this is happening in the United States. Can you -- how often? Why aren't we hearing about it?

Can you give us some examples of this happening?

BOBBY: Well, it's obvious, Glenn. You could probably guess why we're seeing this happen. Hospitals now -- and, again, I'm oversimplifying it. And I'm not trying to paint a broad brush. But I think hospitals now are acting in their best interests, rather than patients. And I think we're seeing values imposed by ethics committees and hospitals. And I think it's -- look, it's a lot cheaper, Glenn, to end -- if they look at somebody that comes in with a significant brain injury, for example, and they look at this person and they say to themselves, "Boy, he's going to need months of care. And it's going to be expensive. And we don't even know if he's going to improve or how much he's going to improve, at least from the onset." And if they're in a position where they can stop treatment, which they are today -- I mean, if you're looking at it from a purely financial point of view, the hospital's best interest is to say, "Okay. Listen, this person's life is going to cost a lot of money. He's not going to get much better anyway." So then they go in and tell the parents. They give them this poor diagnosis. And they say, "Look, you don't want to end up like a Terry Schiavo, so to speak. You know, why don't you do what's best for this person. Put him out of his suffering and end his life." And they have the legal means now to do this. And I could go into the reasons.

GLENN: Have you run into people who have had your sister used by doctors like that?

BOBBY: Yes. There was an article actually.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

BOBBY: And people tell me this all the time. I shouldn't say all the time. But I do hear it occasionally.

GLENN: Yeah.

BOBBY: Where they do bring up my sister. And there was actually an article -- I read it one time -- where the family said that the doctors told them that your son or your daughter, whoever it was at the time, is going to end up like a Terri Schiavo. And it's in your best interest to end or terminate that person's life. It's terrible. Terrible.

GLENN: How does that make you and your sister feel?

BOBBY: Well, I just think it shows you just the biases and the way we've been desensitized to just the value of human life. When we look at someone with a brain injury, and we want to just decide to end their life instead of care for them. It's just systemic to the problem we have in our culture today.

GLENN: Is this a cultural thing or is this a socialized medicine thing?

BOBBY: Well, I think it's a combination, Glenn. I think there's a lot of dynamics occurring today.

And, again, you know, you look at the food and water issue and how it's been reclassified, where food and water now is medical treatment rather than basic care.

GLENN: Right.

BOBBY: And all these changes that have been made in our health care system today that put more and more people at risk. And we're not even aware. I mean, people walk into a hospital situation, and they don't even understand that hospitals now and physicians make treatment -- you know, treatment decisions, rather than families. And depending on the situation. And I don't know if you saw recently what they tried to pass in Oregon, where they tried to pass -- and this was just the past couple of months, where they tried to make spoon feeding for those that weren't able to feed themselves with a spoon, as a form of medical treatment. And, therefore --

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

BOBBY: Yeah. I mean, this is where we're heading. This constant push to impose values, you know, on people rather than family members, on what's their best treatment options? And make it easier and easier to end people's lives because of cost. And it was the lobby -- lobby industry that was pushing this in Oregon to try and get this legislation passed.

GLENN: Bobby -- you go to lifeandhope.com.

What can people do to help? What are you doing, and how can people get involved?

BOBBY: Yeah, I think the way people need to help themselves is become patient advocates. Understand your rights. If you are -- and appoint someone who is a strong -- we need heroic advocates, Glenn, that are going to stand in and defend you if you're in a situation where you need certain treatment and the hospital is pushing back. You need to know your rights and how to defend loved ones if something like this happens to you. Because I'm telling you -- and, again, there's some -- please don't get me wrong on this. There's some wonderful facilities out there, and we deal with great doctors all the time, and nurses. But there is this shift where we are now making quality-of-life judgments. Or, I should say the health care system is making quality-of-life judgments whether someone should live or die, based on their quality of life. And we need to understand that this is happening. And we need to know how to defend ourselves if it does.

GLENN: If you would like to get involved in Stand for Life because it may be you that can't lift the spoon and they deem that as medical treatment. Go to lifeandhope.com. That's lifeandhope.com. Bobby, best of luck. It's always good to talk to you. Thank you so much. God bless.

BOBBY: Thanks, Glenn. God bless you.

GLENN: You bet. This guy is one of the most remarkable people I've met. Really, truly. And I just don't know how to help because so many people just don't want to hear about this stuff. And he is on the front lines every day. And he has not stopped. His life changed --

JEFFY: It has been now forever.

GLENN: It's been forever. His whole life now has been dedicated because his sister was under attack. And this whole family has just -- what they have endured and what they have done because of it is remarkable. You want to stand with some really good people who are fighting, go to lifeandhope.com.

Unmasking Antifa: The Dark Truth Behind Its Well-Funded Network | Glenn TV | Ep 461play icon
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Unmasking Antifa: The Dark Truth Behind Its Well-Funded Network | Glenn TV | Ep 461

The cities of Portland and Chicago are turning into war zones. Federal agents have been ambushed, police have been ordered to stand down, and mayors are defying the Constitution. It’s insurrection in plain sight. Glenn Beck heads to the chalkboard to uncover the hidden support and funding networks propping up Antifa. Glenn debunks the myth that Antifa is decentralized and leaderless, tracing connections from Soros to Tides and other shadowy nonprofits. Plus, independent journalist Nick Sortor joins from outside an ICE facility in Portland, where he was wrongfully arrested by police following attacks by Antifa members.

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Katie Porter's interview meltdown: A campaign killer?

Katie Porter, a Democratic candidate for governor of California, was the most favored candidate to replace Gavin Newsom. But her recent meltdown during a basic interview may have cost her everything. Glenn and Stu give their commentary on this trainwreck...

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Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Can we play the audio of Katie Porter?

Katie Porter, she's a Democrat representative from California, who ran for Senate and lost. And now she's running for governor. Yesterday, about this time, she was the frontrunner.

Today, she's not. I just want to play a clip of the interview she did yesterday.

VOICE: What do you say to the 40 percent of California voters who you'll need in order to win, to vote for Trump?

VOICE: How would I need them in order to win?

VOICE: Unless you're going to get 60 percent of the vote.

Everybody who did not vote for Trump, will vote for you.

VOICE: In the general election?

VOICE: Yes.

VOICE: If it's me versus a Republican, I think that I will win. The people who did not vote for Trump.

VOICE: What if it's you versus a Democrat?

VOICE: I don't intend that to be the case.

VOICE: So how have you intended that not to be the case? Are you going to ask them not to run?

VOICE: No, no, I said, I will build the support. I have the support already in terms of name recognition, and so I will do the very best I can, to make sure that we get through this primary in a very strong position. But let me be clear with you.

I represented Orange County. I represented a purple area. I even stood on my own two feet and won Republican votes before. That's not something every candidate in this race can say. If you're from a deep blue area. If you're from LA or you're from Oakland, you don't have --

VOICE: You just said you don't need those Trump voters.

VOICE: You asked me if I needed them to win. I feel like this is unnecessarily argumentative. What is your question?

VOICE: The question is the same thing I ask everybody, that this is being called the empowering voters who stop Trump's power grab. Every other candidate has answered this question. This is not --

VOICE: I said, I support it.

VOICE: And the question is, what do you say to the 40 percent of voters who voted for Trump?

VOICE: Oh, I'm happy to say that. It's the do you need them to win part that I don't understand. I'm happy to answer the question as you have it written, and I'll answer it.

VOICE: And we've also asked the other candidates, do you think you need any of those 40 percent of California voters to win? And you're saying, no. I don't.

VOICE: No. I'm trying to say, I will try to win every vote I can. And what I'm saying to you is that -- I don't want to keep doing this. I'm going to call it. Thank you.

GLENN: She gets up and walks away.

VOICE: You're not going to do the interview with us?
VOICE: No. Not like this, I'm not. Not with seven follow-ups to every single question you ask.

STU: Oh, God forbid.
VOICE: Every other candidate has --

VOICE: I don't care. I don't care.

I want to have a pleasant, positive conversation, which you ask me about every issue on this list.

And if every question that you're going to make up a follow-up question, then we're never going to get there.

I've never had to do this before, ever.

VOICE: You've never had to have a conversation with a reporter --

VOICE: To any interview.

VOICE: Okay. But every other candidate has done this.

VOICE: What part of, I'm me -- I'm running for governor because I'm a leader. So I am going to make --

VOICE: You're not going to answer questions from reporters?

Okay. Why don't we go through -- I will continue to ask follow-up questions because that's my job as a journalist. But I will go through and ask these, and if you don't want to answer, you don't want to answer.

So nearly every legislative --

VOICE: I -- I don't want to have an unhappy experience with you, and I don't want this all on camera.

VOICE: I don't want to have an unhappy experience with you either. I would love to continue to ask these questions so that we can show our viewers what every candidate feels about every one of these issues that they care about.

And redistricting is a massive issue. We're going to do an entire story just on responses to that question, and I've asked everybody the same follow-up question.

GLENN: Didn't go well.

STU: Wow.

GLENN: Didn't go well.

STU: This is somebody who is -- she kind of even says it. She's never had to deal with follow-up questions before.

GLENN: No. No.

STU: What an amazing -- we sometimes don't appreciate what -- what a great life it must be on the left.

GLENN: Oh. I've thought about that a lot.

STU: You just go -- oh, my God. You never have to deal with anything. No one ever asks you a follow-up. No one ever pushes you on anything. You just say whatever you want, and everyone just walks away, as if it's the greatest thing of all time.

That must be so fun.

GLENN: You would be so intellectually weak. So intellectually.

STU: Oh. I mean, you see it there. She asked one minor follow-up question that isn't adversarial at all, and she pulls the plug on the interview. I'm not going to do this. I don't want all of this on camera.

GLENN: Well, there's a lot that I haven't wanted on camera. It didn't stop anybody else.

STU: Right. That's when they get most excited with you.

GLENN: Yeah, I know. I know. I know.

STU: That's so bizarre. The reporter wasn't even going at her hard. It was like, hey. What do you mean, you don't need -- it's such a -- what a layup of a question, Glenn. No offense. But it's like, do you need the 40 percent of people to -- Trump voters to win.

You say, well, I want to get as many of them as I can. And, of course, I want to get as many as I can.

But I want to stand on my principle.

Any politician. That's not even a follow-up question.

It's like, "Do you want more voters?"

That's the hard question she walked out of an interview for?

GLENN: But remember who she is. Remember who she is.

Okay.

STU: Must we?

GLENN: Well, I mean, I think we have just proven, everything they said wasn't true. According to people who had worked in her office, she has made several -- multiple staffers cry. People are so anxious to even -- to even staff her, because if anything goes wrong, she flips out on whatever staffer is present. She just talks to staffers however she wants. One criticism of Porter is that she allegedly is a terrible person, according to some accounts, abusive and racist. Separate text messages surfaced in which Porter scolded a staffer for giving the congresswoman COVID.

One message said, she was rage-prone and had a tendency to disparage staffers. Others suggested her expectations were wildly unrealistic. One message accused her of making racist comments.

Those are from her staffer. And remember, those are from 2022. I mean, we've seen this. And they just buried all of that. And now you're starting to see it. You know, when you force people into uncomfortable situations, you generally see who they really are.

And that wasn't really an uncomfortable. That was a normal situation for anybody who is -- you can't handle that, sweetheart, you can't handle anything.

But imagine, you're in California. She was the front runner yesterday!

That's who everybody was like, "Yeah, I'll probably vote for her."

It was yesterday!

STU: Yeah. Looking at Kalshi, running the prediction markets, and she was at a 40 percent chance to win, which was double anybody else in the race.

And today, she's now a slight underdog in the race from that interview. It was that bad.

Now, we don't know how the electorate actually responds to it --

GLENN: We don't know how much people will actually see it.

It can run and go away.

STU: Oh, conservatives will see that today. Because conservatives will play it like crazy. Will people who might actually vote for her see it, is a totally different question.

GLENN: How do we -- you know, we watch ABC, CNN. We have MSNBC on in front of us all the time. We listen to NPR. We listen to -- you know, the New York Times. We read the New York Times.

STU: Maybe it's time to appreciate us a little bit more. Just saying. We do that for you, every day.

GLENN: Yeah. We do it, so you don't have to. However, we bring those things up all the time. On the air.

We know where the other side stands.

There are stories that just don't hit that side.

STU: Yeah. They have no idea.

GLENN: And they don't listen to anything else. And so there are stories like that -- that stupid story of -- the judge's house burning down. There will be people forever, that believe that was a hate crime.

STU: Okay.

GLENN: There is no evidence of anything.

STU: Even of arson.

GLENN: There's nothing.

STU: Let alone some conservative that did it.

GLENN: It was a house that burned down.

That's all we know now.

They had to immediately jump to, it's a house of a judge. That judge stopped Donald Trump. Harmeet Dhillon wrote a really, absolutely innocuous, you know, hey, this judge just made this ruling.

We will fight that every way, we possibly can. That can't stand!

They took that and said, Harmeet Dhillon was targeting this judge. So somebody went on the right, and burned that judge's house down.

None of that -- there's no evidence of any of that. They don't even know what caused the fire yet. And I'll bet you, you're going to find out, that it wasn't arson, it was just a normal fire.

It was 11 o'clock in the morning.

It was just a normal fire. The house burned down. A tragedy. Glad that nobody was hurt. Well, her husband was hurt in it.

He had some broken bones and stuff, as he tried to get out of the house. And we wish them the best. But you're going to find, I think. And I'll correct it if we find differently. It wasn't any of those things.

But they have reported that now as fact. How many people are going to believe that forever?

I can guarantee you, I have members of my own family, who will bring that up to me. Well, you say violence. What about burning the judge's house down?

And I have to say, that's not true. Yes, it is.

And they won't believe me, because they heard it on MSNBC. They heard it on CNN. They heard it on the Washington Post. And so they just believe it. There are no facts to back them. None! Now, there may be in the future. Maybe in a couple of days. Let the process work. But there's none. These journalists on the left are so unbelievably irresponsible. And then because they have zombified their entire base, their base will not listen to the other side.

There are stories, I guarantee you. Think about how many people are going to believe from here on out, that Charlie Kirk was either killed by a Jew or somebody in his own camp or it was a left-winger. It was a Donald Trump MAGA killer.

Because that's what they said. And they're not listening to you.

They're not watching Fox. They're not getting their news.

They don't -- all news from major traditionally trusted sources. They watch all of that. And they think they're getting a variety.

Well, I read the Times and the Post. Oh, New York Post or Washington Post?

Well, not the -- the New York Post.

The Washington Post. There's no variety there.

STU: It's the same thing.

And this is how something like you can change your gender with a series of magical words comes into effect.

GLENN: It's how global warming is real.

STU: A liberal hears something like the gender stuff, for example. And they hear it for the first time.

And they just like you, react the same way. They -- what? What do you mean, you can just become a girl? What are you talking about?

They, in their minds, react the same way when they hear that. And then they hear it 500,000 times unchallenged.

GLENN: And saying, science is settled.

STU: And they're like, wow. I must have been wrong about that.

GLENN: If they have nothing to back it up, like in this burning down the house. They just say it over and over. And people go, well, they wouldn't say that, if it wasn't true.

STU: Right. And I don't hear anybody else. Oh, except for the crazy conservatives. That's what they're saying.

So, I mean, this is why -- I have hope, again. There's a lot of work to be done. She has a difficult job. But I hope for the Bari Weiss situation. It would be great if there was just an organization out of all of the ones that exist, that just comes out and gives you fair -- you know, balanced stuff. Now, I know Fox does that. But they're seen more as a conservative network obviously. But their slogan for years was fair and balanced. And it was seen by people who watched it and watched other networks. As the most balanced.

GLENN: Yeah. I think it was 40 -- 30 or 40 percent of the audience was Democrat.

STU: Democrat. So there's plenty of people who -- who will actually go and read and listen to other things.

But it's not particularly common. And I don't know -- what might happen is if the coverage by Bari Weiss over at CBS is, quote, unquote, too fair. They will be --

GLENN: They will be --

STU: They will be seen as a right-wing network and dismissed again.

GLENN: Yeah. That's how they will make them. And, by the way, congratulations, I was so glad to see GLAAD and everybody else, you know, LGBT celebrate Bari Weiss getting that position.

STU: Smashing another glass ceiling.

GLENN: Another glass ceiling. Yeah, it is amazing, what can be done.

STU: Too much fanfare. I was really overwhelmed by it.

GLENN: It really was. Yes. It's a first. But do we have to make that big of a deal out of it?

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: Or did you hear anything?

STU: I didn't hear one word about it. Not one word of celebration. No one -- no one -- again, this is a person who founded the free press. With her wife!

It was just bought by a major media organization for nine figures. And she's now the editor-in-chief. Or, yeah.

Is it editor-in-chief of CBS News.

Not a -- no flowery discussions about her sexual preference.

GLENN: No. No.

STU: Her sexual orientation.

GLENN: And she's not even conservative.

STU: No. She's not.

GLENN: She's just fair.

STU: She describes herself as center left. And this is how desperate we are in the race.

Wait. Someone who is center left, and actually kind of means something with her. She will actually say it, because sometimes conservatives are right on stuff.

We're like fine. We're not even asking for --

GLENN: Look at how desperate we are. But look at the other side. How authoritarian they are, on the other side.

You can't even say, occasionally they get it right!

No! Never.

STU: Never.

GLENN: And we're the authoritarians.

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The FBI secretly SPIED on Republican senators?!

According to newly released information, the FBI under President Biden secretly obtained the phone records of 8 Republican senators as part of an investigation called “Arctic Frost.” But while the FBI claimed it was about “election integrity,” Glenn has another take: This could be a WORSE scandal than Watergate…

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GLENN: I fell compelled to tell you today, that if your church, your synagogue, you know, is -- is not telling you these things and -- and helping you deal and navigate through the waters today, and showing you how the Bible actually is the answer to the things that you're dealing with in real life every day, you need to go find another church or synagogue. You must!

You must.

Anyone who is ignoring this, at this point, is either so under-equipped for the times. And so blind to the times, and clearly not getting any promptings from the spirit. Or they don't get it, or they are afraid because they're afraid of controversy. You know, in times where the truth is controversial, there's nothing you can do accept tell the truth. I mean, if you want to fix things. The truth right now is the most controversial thing you can say. A man is a man. Never will be a woman. Never.

The problem is: We keep conflating all of these problems with politics. And that's the problem!

I want you to just for a second play this monologue for your friends, who don't agree with me: You don't have to like Donald Trump to see the danger we're now in. You don't have to vote Republican or wear a red hat or cheer at rallies. You just really, all you have to do is love the idea of America. Not the flag-waving. The idea that man can rule himself, that we do not have a king or a dictator, or a cabal of people that run things.

There is no master. Government serves us! We are in charge of government, not the other way around. That's -- that's the American dream. That's what makes us different.

You also have to believe, that the scales of justice must stay balanced. I have told you from the first day, you know, after 9/11 when things got serious. I stand with the Constitution. Anyone who violates the Constitution, I will stand against. And I am a hawk on that! If the story that I'm about to tell you is true, and so far, all signs point that it is, then something has gone very, very wrong in our constitutional republic. The FBI under this administration, secretly obtained the phone records of nine Republican lawmakers. Sorry. Not this administration. The former administration.

They've released it, Trump has just released it. They have the phone records of nine Republican lawmakers, eight sitting US senators. They were not suspected terrorists. They're not foreign spies. They're elected officials. They're public servants. They work for you. People who work to represent millions of people, just like you.

And the FBI had a -- a vet investigation that we have now just found out, and all of the documents are there. It was called Arctic Frost.

The bureau said, this is about election integrity. But we now know, it swept up elective representatives, all from one party, without any -- anybody's knowledge.

Now, this is not 1972. We're not talking about a couple of thugs, that broke into a file cabinet, at Watergate.

This is much bigger than Watergate. And I want anybody who disagrees with Donald Trump to ask themselves: The documents are here.

If this was Donald Trump doing this, I would be with you and saying, this is authoritarianism, and it must stop now!

Why will you not join my voice with this? We're talking about digital surveillance. Invisible, vast, far more powerful than a hidden microphone in the Watergate building.

Chuck Grassley said, "It's arguably worse than Watergate."

And he's right! Because this time the government did not just spy on its political enemies from a smoky back room in DC in a hotel. It did it from inside the federal agencies that we're supposed to trust, that are supposed to protect people's rights. Now, if you have been told all your life that the real danger only comes from the right, that corruption, dishonesty, abuse of power is exclusive to conservatives, then I'm asking to you pause and to look again. Because the documents have just been released. When one side can weaponize the justice system and the other side cheers it on, justice dies for everyone. And it makes people who now want to say, "But look what they did."

They feel justified to get revenge. "Well, if they're doing it, we can do it."

And that leads all of us to hell. Then we're all in trouble.

People have been defending James Comey and have been saying, then this is just a political hit job by Donald Trump.

No, it is not. Again, look at the facts. He was accused to lying to Congress. It's not political persecution. When a grand jury recommends charges, that's not politics, that's the process! That's how our system is supposed to work. Now he goes to trial. That doesn't make him guilty. But it does mean, he has to face the same standard of justice, as you or I would! In America, no one is supposed to be above the law. Not Donald Trump. Not James Comey. Not Joe Biden or Hunter Biden. Not anyone sitting in the White House today or yesterday! Because in America, no one is above the law!

Now we have candidates. One running for attorney general in Virginia. Who openly flirt with violent rhetoric. And the media yawns! They call it, quote, colorful language. Quote, that's just politics!

No, it's not. When threats and intimidation become normal, when justice becomes selective, when the press decides who's innocent and who's guilty before the evidence is even in, the republic begins to rot from within.

So many people -- so many of our neighbors are just exhausted. And they've tuned everything out because it all sounds like noise. You know, they all lie. And nobody is going to pay.

That's what people say to themselves.

You stop caring, because the truth seems impossible to find. But when documents are -- are produced. And prove the truth! There is no argument. And the truth still does matter! If you want a civil society, justice still matters! And whether you voted for Trump or can't stand him. Whether you think Biden was a saint or a disappointment. None of that matters. What matters is: Do we still believe in equal justice under the law? Because if we lose that, we lose the promise of America itself, and you will get a dictator on the left or the right!

So I'm asking you, not as a conservative or a liberal, but as an American: Do not look away from this story. This is worse than Watergate. What happened in Watergate?

We had all kinds of hearings. Not to get the president. We had all kinds of hearings, to make sure that never happened again!

I can't tell you how many private conversations I have had with senators, who have said to me, whispered in my ear, they're monitoring everything I do and say!

No senator should ever feel that! No Republican, no Democrat, no independent, no communist. No one should ever feel that way in America!

But that will only stop when we demand fairness, when it makes you and your side uncomfortable, when you hold power accountable, even if it's your team holding it!

What will happen is: This story will go out. People will talk about it. The right will talk about it. They'll try to show the evidence. The left will not listen. The media will not report it. And then when it is all proven to be true, the media will say, "That's all old news."

And everyone will move on. And what does that do to the machine? It means the machine is never turned off. It means the machine gets more power. It means, next time, it could be you. If you don't punish whichever side is doing it, what happens? If you don't -- if Democrats don't tell the AG in Virginia, "This is unacceptable, and we do not tolerate that at all," what happens next? Stop dealing with what's happening now. Look over the horizon. What does that mean for tomorrow?

Justice can never be partisan. Never! Truth must never depend on who's in office. And America, this beautiful, fragile idea will only survive if both sides refuse to let blindness become loyalty.

Okay? Whether you like it or not, we are in this together. Gold just hit $4,005 an ounce. I have told you for 15 years, if gold hits $5,000 an ounce, you don't want to live in that world. That means the world is coming apart at the seams. Goldman Sachs just said their prediction is gold at $5,000 an ounce. That means, the trust of all of our institutions, the trust of our dollar. The trust of our government. The trust of our banking. The trust of our business.

All of that is up for grabs. You do not want to live in that world.

I told you yesterday, when I was talking about Civil War. That's not a TV show!

That means the end of all of the dreams that you have had for your children, coming to an end!

You no longer will be able to predict what their life will be like!

Now, you may not like it the way it is. But believe me, it is better than living in Somalia or Haiti!

Haiti is what revolution looks like.

Haiti is what Civil War leaves behind. Start looking at the news. What does this mean on what's coming next? And because of what that will lead to, what must I do today?

Today, you must look at the facts. Today -- today is an easy day. You must look at the facts of what was released yesterday on Operation Arctic Frost. And then you must demand Republican and Democrat, this must end!

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